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02:09 < aestetix> http://time.com/4645442/gorbachev-putin-trump/
02:09 < PigBot> Title: Mikhail Gorbachev: Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump Arms Race | Time.com (at time.com) http://tinyurl.com/hsudrhj
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06:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:03 <@Dagmar> Yay Android bugs!
07:32  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:29 < rattle> These days make me extremely confused.
08:29 < aestetix> rattle: what's wrong?
08:29 < rattle> Simple failures of logic are abound, and it seems no one sees them.
08:30 < rattle> Like, if Trump is going to pay for his wall with a 20% tax (tariff, let's just call it what it is) on imported goods..  How is that making Mexico pay for it?  That's very directly making the American public pay for it.
08:31 < rattle> That's not going to make Mexico make cheaper goods.  The price on the way over will be the same.  The burden will be on the consumer, in this case, the American public.
08:32 < rattle> And I'm amazed this basic fact of economics seems to escape a YUUUUUGE number of people.
08:34 < aestetix> I guess it could increase demand for American made products
08:35 <@Evilpig> rattle: because about 15 - 20 years ago we stopped making high schoolers learn basic accounting and finance and instead opted for god knows what
08:36 <@Evilpig> couple that with most people have no idea that the bulk of their goods come from other countries and you get what we've got here today, a cheeto president
08:37 < aestetix> ugh
08:37 < aestetix> I like cheetos :(
08:52 < rattle> aestetix: So we create more jobs for robots, none for actual people, and we make our neighbors more poor in the process.  What could go wrong?
08:53 < aestetix> stop asking hard questions
08:53 < aestetix> I just want a wall
08:55 < rattle> Says the guy in Berlin..
08:55 < aestetix> there's not a wall here anymore
08:56 < rattle> So you're trying to make something great again.  I get it.
08:56 < aestetix> hell yeah
08:59 < aestetix> rattle: I do wonder what the best way forward is though
08:59 < aestetix> usually when tech disruption happens, it shifts a paradigm and creates new jobs in that paradigm
09:00 < aestetix> like we don't have milkmen anymore, but we have grocery store workers
09:00 < aestetix> I'm not sure what happens when you automate all the jobs
09:00 < aestetix> and basic income is not an answer
09:01 < rattle> American carnage?
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10:01 < aestetix> rattle: It's a good question though
10:02 < aestetix> If you let the free market decide, wealth inequality will go out of control
10:02 < aestetix> If you make the government bigger, then accountability becomes impossible
10:10 < rattle> It's a very hard problem.  Possibly the hardest economic problem we face.  And it's only going to get worse.
10:10 < rattle> Donald Trump said only he can solve it.  So, at least we've got that.
10:12 <@Dolemite> we all become reality show contestants
10:15 < aestetix> good fucking god
10:15 < aestetix> I just spent an entire day troubleshooting an issue
10:15 < aestetix> it turned out the date was an hour behind on the system
10:19 < aestetix> so all the logs were functioning properly
10:19 < aestetix> I just needed to look at the right time :/
10:24 < rattle> Dolemite: Astute.
10:25 < aestetix> Dolemite: you said a bunch of your friends were all pro Trump. How are they handling this mess?
10:57 <@Dolemite> LOL -> https://twitter.com/realRealDukat
10:57 < PigBot> Title: Dukat (@realRealDukat) | Twitter (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hdvbzhc
10:57 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I have a Facebook feed full of people I went to high school that are Pro Trump.  I don't know that I said friends, outside of the context of 'Facebook Friends'
10:59 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Let's see.  One of them has been praising Herr Fuhrer constantly, and starting 2 days ago asked for prayers for her son who hasn't been to the doctor in 3 years because he doesn't have health insurance and is now sick enough to go
10:59 <@Dolemite> But can't wait to see Obamacare gone!
11:00 <@Dolemite> Half of them believe that the photoshopped sign memes on the Womens March protestor signs are unretouched photos
11:00 <@Dolemite> And many of them claim to be moderates, while calling all non-Trump supporters either shitlibs or libtards.
11:00 <@Dolemite> That answer your question?
11:01 < aestetix> Ah, sounds just like the bay area liberals, except the names are changed
11:02 <@Dolemite> And lets not forget all the posts praising the impending destruction of Planned Parenthood
11:03 <@Dolemite> Because they all know that the Democrats are the Party of Hate, and also that if you're not Republican, you must be a Democrat.  Don't forget that part.
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11:35 < aestetix> That part makes no fucking sense.
11:35 < aestetix> Well actually I need to rephrase it
11:35 < aestetix> because that makes it sound like everything else somehow makes sense
11:36 <@oddball> Oh, that's pretty much the attitude on both sides at this point.
11:36 < aestetix> Didn't Trump himself say planned parenthood does some good things, during one of the debates?
11:37 <@oddball> Wouldn't surprise me.
12:01 < K`Tetch_> trump is like GA weather - don't like what you ehar, give it a day or two and he'll be completely different
12:01 < K`Tetch_> (he says as his hands are siezing up)
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12:33 < dasunt> Are we sure that Trump is really human?  Maybe he's a machine learning algorithm just throwing stuff out there and seeing what the reactions are.
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