--- Log opened Tue Jan 24 00:00:03 2017 01:34 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-12-150.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:29 -!- Mirage [~mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:c568:85cd:2fea:1c22] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:38 < aestetix> ahh, databases without ssd 05:39 < aestetix> the "prepare" process is taking longer than the dump itself (done on an ssd system) 06:05 < xray> https://www.wired.com/2014/05/countable/ 06:05 < PigBot> Title: An App That Makes It Easy to Pester Your Congress Member | WIRED (at www.wired.com) http://tinyurl.com/hqbag6h 06:17 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:7d0b:ff99:ebd0:b245] has joined #se2600 08:31 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/823607638357397505 08:32 < aestetix> enjoy 08:32 < PigBot> Title: Kurt Eichenwald on Twitter: "I am going to try to explain why there is so much outrage in the intelligence agencies about what Trump did on Saturday in his CIA speech..." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/znumk7v 08:37 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 08:38 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 08:57 < TheDukh> Man... talk about a fucking fail on the staffs part. 09:55 < dasunt> I'd really prefer it if online articles would link (or at least name the bill) they are referring to in discussions so I can look it up. 09:56 <@oddball> pfft. Then you could easily see if they are telling you the truth or not. Can't have that. 09:56 < dasunt> Well there's a claim that the Minnesota House voted on a bill that cancer coverage optional for insurance companies. 09:57 < dasunt> Not sure if the reporter got something wrong, or if the state congresscritters are just that evil. 09:57 * dasunt weighs the incompetence of one group against the malice of another. 10:01 < dasunt> Although I don't know why I even try - I'm just likely to develop nuanced, informed views. I should just pick up watching the Kardassians instead, or whatever mind vomit is on TV, and treat my politics like football teams - our team can do no right, the other team can do no wrong. 10:01 < dasunt> Er, wait. Reverse that last bit. 10:02 <@oddball> Yeah... my knee jerk reaction after following a lot of bills is that it doesn't actually do that. Damn shame that they make it hard to verify. 10:02 <@oddball> Or hell, make it hard for the folks of Minnisota to call their reps up and ask "what the fuck?!" 10:03 <@oddball> Link to article? 10:04 <@oddball> The one article that I found via google has been taken down. 10:06 < dasunt> Here's one: http://www.postbulletin.com/news/politics/disagreements-remain-over-health-insurance-rebates/article_24e31556-4b0f-5f5f-8354-adfffa24ad23.html 10:06 < PigBot> Title: Disagreements remain over health insurance rebates | Politics | postbulletin.com (at www.postbulletin.com) http://tinyurl.com/hc5y668 10:07 < dasunt> "Rep. Steve Drazkowski, R-Mazeppa, successfully amended the House bill to get rid of a requirement that health insurance plans in the state cover a wide range of conditions, including maternity care, chemical dependency and cancer treatment." 10:08 < dasunt> "'It allows (consumers) to buy insurance a la carte and begins to help us in Minnesota cure our health insurance regulatory disease,' Drazkowski said." 10:10 <@oddball> Doing some quick research, apparently the original had a clause that would require insurance companies to pay for cancer treatment at hospitals outside their network. I wonder if that's what was axed. Again, trying to find the actual bill 10:11 < dasunt> I tried to do that last night. My google-fu ain't bad, but I couldn't find the bill with the supposedly amendment after 15 minutes. 10:12 <@oddball> Ah, here's the actual bill: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=Senate&f=SF0001&ssn=0&y=2017 10:12 < PigBot> Title: SF 1 Status in the Senate for the 90th Legislature (2017 - 2018) (at www.revisor.mn.gov) http://tinyurl.com/hn5vvwc 10:13 < dasunt> I did find this, so maybe that's what they are trying to repeal: https://twitter.com/reploeffler/status/822239345860112388 10:13 < PigBot> Title: Diane Loeffler on Twitter: "List of what insurers can choose not to cover under GOP bill #mnleg : cancer, diabetes, emergency care, babies, more https://t.co/NzbEd9rFjo" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hh77fcc 10:13 <@oddball> Yeah... after dealing with TN politics, I don't believe shit until I see it in the bill on a .gov site. 10:15 < dasunt> Okay, I think I got it - Loeffler linked to the actual Minnesota statute. Well the bill repeals part of that statute without giving details. 10:16 <@oddball> Um... the bill I posted hasn't been passed yet. 10:17 <@oddball> Looks like a version passed the House, and another version passed the Senate. They're now trying to reconcile the differences. 10:19 < dasunt> LOL, one of the things the House versions is trying to repeal is the regulation requiring that insurance covers any ER service, at any time. 10:20 < dasunt> Okay, the *house* version is pretty bad. 10:22 <@oddball> OK, I found the part that does what they say it does. Starting at 25.27 "is exempt from providing the mandated health benefits in chapters 62A and 62Q, if the plan otherwise provides the benefits required under the Employee Retirement Income 10:22 <@oddball> Security Act" 10:23 <@oddball> Now, the question is what the hell does the other act do. 10:23 <@oddball> Deny ER coverage? Wow. That is stupid. 10:23 < dasunt> oddball has now done more investigation than the reporter who wrote the article. 10:24 <@oddball> I wish I could say that's surprising, but... yeah... no. 10:24 < dasunt> oddball: Unless some other MN act requires it, then yes, it strikes down the mandate that any ER, at any time, must be covered. 10:24 < dasunt> It's okay though - only unresponsible people would have a medical emergency far away from an in-network ER. 10:25 <@oddball> Oh, and I was looking at the Senate bill, not the house bill. Oops. 10:27 <@oddball> Um. Where do you see that? 10:28 <@oddball> Sec 11 of the House bill (starting at 13.5) seems to read that the insurance companies are on the hook if you end up in an ER that's not in network without you knowing/capable of getting to an in network location. 10:29 <@oddball> Ah, shit. Paragraph (c) of that section is a bitch, since I think that's on just about every admitance form ever. 10:33 <@oddball> And I'm not seeing where the house bill does what Loeffler says it does. 10:34 <@oddball> Ah, she's talking about the Senate bill... which, would go back to my previous statement. 10:38 < aestetix> HAHAHAHHA 10:38 < aestetix> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-pipeline-leak-idUSKBN1572UJ 10:38 < aestetix> jesus 10:38 < aestetix> .t 10:38 < PigBot> Title: Canada oil pipeline spills 200,000 liters on aboriginal land | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) http://tinyurl.com/jau4yvo 10:38 < aestetix> Right as Trump signs the EO for the Keystone pipeline 10:57 < dasunt> Beautiful. 11:20 < rattle> The war on science is beginning. https://www.buzzfeed.com/dinograndoni/trump-usda 11:20 < PigBot> Title: USDA Scientists Have Been Put On Lockdown Under Trump - BuzzFeed News (at www.buzzfeed.com) http://tinyurl.com/hjvbtcw 11:30 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has quit [Quit: ruh roh] 11:33 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has joined #se2600 11:33 < fie_> war on war 11:37 < sol1d> i like the links today 11:37 < sol1d> thanks 11:57 < aestetix> Dagmar: http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/01/23/ghost-ship-fire-derick-almenas-lawyers-say-fire-started-next-door/ 11:57 < PigBot> Title: Ghost Ship: Almena's lawyers say fire started next door (at www.eastbaytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/jjyzhsh 11:59 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter 11:59 <@Dagmar> He still failed to prepare adequately for a possible fire, so _where_ the fire came from doesn't matter 12:00 <@Dagmar> He _facilitated_ and _profited from_ the site having a lot of people inside it. 12:00 <@Dagmar> It was therefore his responsibility to ensure that it would be safe in the event of even an accident. 12:00 <@Dagmar> A _meteor strike from space_ that flattened the building would be an accident he woulnd't be responsible for. 12:01 <@Dagmar> A fire, that has an origin much smaller than it's eventual size and which is something people can react to and given the proper tools, manage and mitigate, is another matter entirely. 12:15 < dasunt> Agreed. 12:15 < dasunt> A fire is a foreseeable risk in a building, thus the appropriate measures should be taken. 12:21 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpIkotVwzMQ 12:21 < PigBot> Title: Press Briefing with Press Secretary Sean Spicer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zgtm87j 12:21 < aestetix> another one 13:15 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Quit: benthemeek] 13:25 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 13:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 14:09 < dasunt> The UK is still screwed up over the Brexit mess: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38721650 14:09 < PigBot> Title: Supreme Court Brexit ruling: What happens next? - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5yqff6 --- Log closed Tue Jan 24 14:24:43 2017 --- Log opened Tue Jan 24 14:24:53 2017 14:24 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 14:24 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 35 nicks [12 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal] 14:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 14:24 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@96-80-184-99-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 14:25 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 18 secs 15:54 < TheDukh> WTF is Spicer's reading level? 15:56 <@Dagmar> I'm kind of astonished. 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