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01:58 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycgM6udlN0
01:58 < PigBot`> Title: Most Jars of Mayo Consumed in 10 Min (While Watching 2 Girls 1 Cup) L.A. BEAST - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j6qhk5a
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06:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:32  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:12 <@Dagmar> Nope.  not driving in this mess with these people
07:12 < _NSAKEY> Heh. I have to drive in it later, or else sleep on the couch at work.
07:12 <@Dolemite> Do you actually have accumulation?
07:13 <@Dolemite> We got flurries last night, nothing stuck, but they're saying by 10 AM EST we get Wave 2
07:13 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: I can see the lines in the parking lot outside.
07:13 <@Dolemite> So basically nothing
07:14 < _NSAKEY> Basically, but it's more than enough to make everyone in the area suicidally stupid.
07:15 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: You haven't been gone so long that you forgot how Nashville treats snow.
07:15 <@Dolemite> Oh, I know how it is.
07:16 < _NSAKEY> Just making sure.
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07:16 <@Dagmar> Parking lot lines are no longer visible here
07:16 <@Dolemite> People here in East TN are so paranoid that they just stay home.  In Nashville, they just get more stupid.
07:16 <@Dagmar> This will be our first for the year so people ill be extra stupid
07:16 < _NSAKEY> My boss told me I could go home early, but A. I don't want to deal with the alarm, and B. I don't feel like driving alongside a bunch of people who act like they don't want or deserve to live.
07:17 <@Dolemite> It's bad enough that in Nashville if a 12 oz. bottle of water spills on the road 3/4 of the drivers immediately lose 50 IQ points.
07:17 < _NSAKEY> I'll take my chances when morning rush hour's over.
07:17 < xray> Campus closes today at noon and they authorized everyone to telecommute this morning
07:18 < xray> If the mall closes early we will have to cancel the atl2600 meeting
07:18 < _NSAKEY> I'm curious to see how it impacts Nashville 2600.
07:18 <@Dolemite> Well, about 1/2 the people that work at the lab live in Anderson County and they actually closed school today because of the prediction...   so it may be a light day
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07:39 <@Dolemite> It's coming down in giant flakes, now, and sticking.
07:41 <@Evilpig> we've got a light dusting going on here
07:50 <@Dagmar> It's picking up a bit here now
07:51 < aestetix> I misread that as alt2600
07:55 < aestetix> ok for real, the stereotypes are accurate
07:55 < aestetix> I have a new italian colleague
07:56 < aestetix> and literally every hour they are making espresso
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08:29 <@Dagmar> MNPD is officially closing early
08:29 <@Dagmar> We should probably send out a similar announcement
08:31 <@Evilpig> haha
08:32 <@Evilpig> I'm sitting here at work watching the falling white death and laughing at it
08:34 < xray> I laugh at what they call snow here.
08:34 < xray> I'ts less than 20ft deep
08:35 < xray> The snow isn't the problem it's the bad drivers that are the problem
08:35 < xray> and it doesn't really matter what the weather is because they are bad all the time
08:35 < xray> Weather just adds insult to miserly
08:35 < xray> misery
08:43 <@klixa> lack of salt trucks is a real issue in the south... im in maine, snow everywhere, but our roads are salted and plowed
08:44 <@Evilpig> we have plenty of salt, we don't have plenty of plows
08:44 <@Evilpig> that and the real problem of you can't fix stupid
08:45 < aestetix> vagina
08:45 < aestetix> hi klixa
08:45 < aestetix> klixa: wie gehts?
08:45 <@klixa> hi
08:46 <@klixa> Evilpig: yeah i was just in Nashville for xmas, and i forgot how stupid people there are :/
08:46 <@klixa> and i also forgot how racist my family is
08:46 < aestetix> why are they racist
08:47 <@klixa> i dunno why....i guess cause theyve always lived in the south
08:47 <@klixa> i was racist as a kid, i grew out of it
08:47 < aestetix> the bay area is racist too
08:47 < aestetix> but against white people
08:48 <@klixa> aestetix: well, someone needs to be racist against whites, cause privalage and oppression and stuff :P
08:49 <@klixa> the south tho, omg.... i always miss it, but then when i actually go there, im just all "wtf".... and the accents... southern accents sound so retarded :/
08:49 <@klixa> i have one, so people probably thiunk im retarded :(
08:51 <@Evilpig> oh klixa, i've never heard you speak and htought that. :D
08:52 < aestetix> klixa: you have a southern accent but can speak german?
08:52 <@klixa> aestetix: yes
08:52 <@klixa> i barely speak german for the record cause i forgot most of it
08:53 <@klixa> i wonder if my german has a souythern accent or if it has the accent if the dialact i learned/lived
08:53 <@klixa> of*
08:53 <@klixa> aestetix: when you say ich, are you saying ish or ick
08:53 < aestetix> neither
08:54 < aestetix> closer to ish, but very soft
08:54 < aestetix> because hochdeutsch
08:54 < aestetix> ich weiße Berlinerisch ist "ick" :)
08:54 <@klixa> well ish and ick were just approzimations...i guess i should have asked if you were speaking soft or hard... but
08:54 < aestetix> very soft
08:54 <@klixa> thats the kinds i speak too
08:55 <@klixa> i learned in a small town outside of frankfurt
08:55 < aestetix> which makes stuff like Rammstein very amusing to listen to
08:55 <@klixa> i havent listened to them in forever...
08:56 < aestetix> but yeah I'm starting to be able to tell where someone is from based on that
08:56 <@rattle> I am so glad I live in NYC right now.
08:56 < aestetix> rattle: why?
08:56 <@rattle> I wind up outside the city at least every two weeks, and it always serves to reinforce why I like being here.
08:57 <@klixa> i know what you mean
08:57 <@rattle> I get to live in a wonder multi-racial bubble where everyone gets along, and look at the rest of the country with a certain smug distain.  It's nice.
08:57 <@klixa> hmmm, thats not what i like about sities... i just like that people arent backwards
08:57 <@klixa> cities*
08:58 <@rattle> NYC is far more tolerant than the SF bay area too.
08:58 <@klixa> i never found the bay to be intolerant
08:58 < aestetix> rattle: it will take a lot for me ever to go back to the bay area
08:58 <@klixa> ive never lived in NYC or even been there more than an hour, so cant compare
08:58 <@rattle> No one bitches about gentrification here either.
08:59 <@rattle> The biggest target of hate are people that block the sidewalk.
09:00 <@klixa> in Maine no one is racist...cause theres only like 1 black person who lives here, so it would be a waste of time to be racist :P
09:04 < aestetix> rattle: I'm halfway though the Russian Hacking hearing
09:04 < aestetix> although there is not much about russia in it
09:09 <@rattle> I think the most remarkable thing about it, is the lack of friction between congress and the IC leadership, and that I didn't spend the whole time wanting to strangle the IC leadership.
09:09 <@rattle> That's not usual.
09:09 < aestetix> It actually seems to be more about Trump than Russia
09:09 <@rattle> It might be the first hearing I've ever seen when Congress and the IC were on the same page about anything.
09:10 <@rattle> It is about Trump right now.  The consensus on Russia is there..  Trump meanwhile, is giving the finger to the entire IC, but gov and private sector, and everyone is more than a little pissed about it.
09:10 < aestetix> Well, I hope the report they claim to be putting out next week will be more useful than the other one
09:11 <@rattle> And because so many people have political confirmation bias based on Trump's cult of personality and anger herding, it's causing many people to jump to completely incorrect conclusions.
09:11 <@rattle> Dagmar is a perfect example.
09:11 <@rattle> If they fuck this report up, it's going to get ugly.
09:11 < aestetix> At the moment, I have seen no proof Russia was involved.
09:11 <@Dagmar> Woy?
09:11 <@Dagmar> er wot?
09:11 < aestetix> My entire faith in the IC community rests on that report
09:12 <@rattle> There is a huge constellation of evidence about these hacks.  There are many people in the know that are dutifully keeping their mouths shut.  If they fuck up this report, we're going to start talking.
09:12 <@Dagmar> You completely misunderstand what I think about this.
09:12 <@Dagmar> I don't fucking _care_ who did the hacks.
09:12 <@Dagmar> It fails to even rate, in my book.
09:12 <@rattle> Dagmar: You're in that camp of folks constantly questioning the Russian involvement in the hacks, and that their goal was to influence the election in Trump's favor.
09:13 <@rattle> Well, it's actually a big fucking deal.
09:13 <@Dagmar> All this "controversy" about the hacks is very obviously simply to distract people from acknowledging that the DNC, a *major* political party in the US, is as corrupt as corrupt can be.
09:13 < aestetix> At the moment, I believe that John Podesta clicked on a phishing mail, and some random figured out it was important and passed it to Wikileaks
09:13 <@rattle> Dagmar: Really?  How exactly?  In a way that's not obvious to anyone paying attention, and different from the rest of the political establishment?
09:13 <@Dagmar> No, I _object_ to the rather circular argumentation being used to keep the focus on the Russians
09:14 <@Dagmar> *We* rather *regularly* fuck with the elections in other countries.
09:14 < aestetix> I'm willing to change this belief, but I need evidence
09:14 <@rattle> You needed Podesta's email to know that the DNC was biased for Hillary and against Sanders getting the nomination?  Shit man, you could have read that in the papers.
09:14 <@Dagmar> For Russia to expose the DNC, opportunistically or not, again, does _not_ represent a significant deviation from the norm, in my book
09:15 <@rattle> aestetix: How do you explain DCLeaks and Gluccifer then?  Given all the overlaps?
09:15 < aestetix> Actually the fact that hundreds of newspapers endorsed Hillary and 3 for Trump tells me two things: the DNC basically runs the media, and it is no longer effective.
09:15 < aestetix> rattle: I'm unaware of DCLeaks.
09:15 < aestetix> And wasn't gluccifer a while ago? I could be out of the loop
09:16 <@rattle> The DNC doesn't run shit.  That's explained by the media having a certain love affair with facts and truth, and Trump being a lying emotional manipulator.
09:16 <@Dagmar> I didn't need Podestas emails to see that, but the _media_ was going to continue repeating that nothing out of sorts was going on
09:16 <@Dagmar> ...they had to be forced to admit that the whole thing stunk like hell.
09:16 <@Dagmar> This last year and a half I've seen a simply *breathtaking* amount of pure propaganda trotted out as "investigative journalism"
09:16 < _NSAKEY> You mean Guccifer 2.0?
09:16 < aestetix> Maybe a better way to put it is that the mainstream media sucks the DNC's dick
09:17 <@rattle> DCLeaks is another front in the constellation of these hacks.  In that case, their bombs were docs stolen from OSI.  Yet another set of hacks we've linked to the DNC and Podesta hacks, and all the way back to specific actors with Russian IC ties.
09:17 < aestetix> oh wait was DC Leaks the emails from the staffer who later died/committed suicide?
09:17 <@Dagmar> I'd expand the scope of that from just the DNC to the oligarchy
09:17 <@Dagmar> ...but we very clearly had two defined camps among media outlets.  The ones spewing the DNCs lies, and the ones spewing the GOPs lies.
09:17 <@Dagmar> Practially no one was telling the honest truth
09:18 < aestetix> rattle: you'll excuse me, because at some point around six weeks before the election I had to tune out. It was the only way to stay sane
09:18 <@Dagmar> Hell, as far as I care the Russians were doing us a solid
09:18 <@rattle> How do you figure?
09:20 <@Dagmar> This shitshow will NOT get better until people stop pretending that it's not a complete shitshow.
09:20 <@Dagmar> It's only gotten worse in the last 20 years and I have seen exactly no signs that on it's own the political forces that run this country are going to have an attack of concience
09:20 < aestetix> "On August 12, 2016, DC Leaks released roughly 300 emails from Republican targets, including the 2016 campaign staff of Arizona Senator John McCain,"
09:20 <@Dagmar> All that's happened is that what the media reports has become more and more divorced from reality, and even less concerned with accountability or veracity
09:20 < aestetix> is that why McCain was upset that Russia was interfereing in his state's election?
09:20 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Leaks from there
09:20 < PigBot> Title: DC Leaks - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/j7dt2kd
09:21 <@Dagmar> That the media simply refuses to acknowledge that _WE SCREW WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S ELECTIONS ALL THE TIME_ just blows my mind
09:21 <@Dagmar> It demolishes the quality of the argument that Russia really did anything wrong
09:21 <@Dagmar> ...or at least out of the ordinary
09:21 <@Dagmar> There's no fucking sense in demanding everyone else follow the rules that our own government clearly doesn't give two shits about
09:21 <@Dagmar> Pardon me, "the rules"
09:23 < aestetix> rattle: if all these things are connected, why did the White House put out that abortion of a technical report a few days ago?
09:23 <@Dagmar> I think it was the FBI being complicit in someone's news network theater
09:24 <@Dagmar> They put out a report blaming Russia, reporters begin saying "FBI agrees Russia did it" and continue to not question whether or not Russia did anything all that wrong
09:26 <@Dagmar> What we should probably be doing is saying, "Okay, Putin... You got us good there.  Now let's settle down."
09:26 <@Dagmar> Instead, we have a blizzard of media-driven bullshit and irrelevancy
09:27 <@rattle> FBI is wearing clown shoes these days.  That's a matter unto itself.
09:27 <@Dagmar> They talk endlessly, without ever actually addressing the major point that people who are _supposed_ to be _working in the country's best interests_ (i.e., the DNC is not considered a "foreign power") are almost exclusively working towards their own goals
09:28 <@Dagmar> So, our enemies are our enemies while doing us a solid, and our "friends" are basically very much our enemies.
09:28 <@Dagmar> How is this *not* a complete shitshow?
09:28 <@rattle> The big problem I see, is that the president-elect is thumbing his nose at the entire IC, and is putting a NSC in place that's completely fucking insane.
09:29 <@rattle> Like, that puts us all at real risk.
09:29 <@rattle> I'm not saying anger against the establishment for being fucked up isn't warranted.  It is.  It's a complete shit show.  I'm as angry about it as anything else..
09:29 <@Dagmar> I don't expect him to survive the first year
09:29 <@Dagmar> He's gonna get the boot
09:29 <@rattle> But it's very easy to take a set of actions that feels good, but is completely wrong.
09:30 < aestetix> rattle: you mean like US foreign policy for the last 16 years?
09:30 <@Dagmar> If not for his business affiliations, for just plain gross negligence
09:30 <@rattle> aestetix: Trump sure as hell isn't going to move it in a more reasonable direction.
09:31 <@Dagmar> This isn't anger.  This is an absolute refusing to condone or otherwise accept the current politicial situation in this country.
09:32 <@Dagmar> Hillary has quite a bit of experience with consulting with lawyers at every turn, which would make her very hard to get rid of
09:32 <@Dagmar> Trump has only really worried about optics and ratings for the last 20 years
09:32 <@Dagmar> He'll be _easy_ to find a reason to impeach
09:34 <@Dagmar> As I see it, the longer this abhorrent situation continues to roll downhill, the more likely it is that the end result will be *bloody* and nightmarish.
09:34 <@Dagmar> If things maybe come to a head quickly before people are fuckin' starving, _maybe_ we stand a chance of putting things back together properly before our grandkids are adults
09:39 <@Dagmar> If they don't, our grandchildren will probably have great jobs acting as tour guides for tourists coming from other nations to see the Great Ruins Of America
09:40 <@rattle> I think people are lacking some serious perspective.
09:41 <@rattle> We've got some serious problems.  But this country isn't falling apart.  That's a false narrative being used to manipulate people.
09:41 <@rattle> And it's apparently working.
09:41 <@rattle> And if anything, that narrative is going to actually cause things to get worse.
09:48 <@rattle> It's certainly making it easier for folks to drive wedges.  And they are not driving those wedges to decrease income inequality, get you better healthcare, educational options, higher wages, or anything else.
09:48 <@rattle> Pure and simple, people are getting played by folks that want to enslave them.  And this time around, boy o boy did the electorate do a doozie.
09:52 < aestetix> rattle: is Trump the first president ever to have no other elected office?
09:53 <@rattle> I can think of at least one..  Eisenhower.
09:53 < aestetix> oh interesting
09:53 < aestetix> Although he served in the military
09:53 < aestetix> so that's almost like an excemption
09:54 <@rattle> I think commanding the entire allied forces during world war two counts as prior leadership experience.
09:54 <@rattle> More so than Trump's track record anyway.
09:54 < aestetix> yep
09:54 <@rattle> There may have been others.  I'd have to google
10:01 < aestetix> ok 1.5 hours in
10:01 < aestetix> all but two questions have been about trump
10:01 < aestetix> they hate him
10:10 < aestetix> also
10:10 < aestetix> I'm curious how many times they have used the word "cyber"
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12:57 <@Dagmar> Our entire government is composed of people who are spending 60% of their time fiddling while Rome burns, and the other 40% of their time collecting bribes from lobbyists.
12:58 <@Dagmar> How this is not _completely fucked_ escapes me
12:59 <@Dagmar> Income inequality *continues* to grow.  Corporate welfare programs continue to increase while education, health, and welfare programs for the citizenry are cut again and again.
13:00 <@Dagmar> Companies can file bankruptcy, dissolve their organization, and start all over again fresh and new but college loans are inescapable and permanent?
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16:07 < dasunt> If you are going to be a drunk, have good credit:  http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/car-insurance/credit-scores-affect-auto-insurance-rates/index.htm
16:07 < PigBot> Title: How a Credit Score Affects Your Car Insurance - Consumer Reports (at www.consumerreports.org) http://tinyurl.com/zz3ns94
16:09 < dasunt> Being poor is expensive, it seems.
16:12 <@rattle> Solid advice.
16:16 <@rattle> I had dismal credit.  Now I have excellent credit.  The difference is so many things is.. vast.
16:27 < dasunt> But the question is:  are you now a better driver?
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18:19 <@Dagmar> Being poor has always been expensive, which is why so many people remain poor
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19:05 <@Dagmar> Having just gone to Kroger's and back, I think I made the right call WRT skipping the 2600 meeting tonight
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20:08 <@Dagmar> lol checking my inbox I see the meeting was officially cancelled.
20:08 <@Dagmar> Good going, Ben!
20:08 <@Dagmar> :)
20:54 < oddball> yep
20:55 < oddball> A little slick out there?
20:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah, roads were straight-up treacherous becuase you can't tell what's ice and what isn't
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