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06:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:20 <@Dolemite> sjkle8a8msk
06:20 <@Dolemite> bah
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06:22 <@Dolemite> Well if you're going to accidentally type a password into IRC, the right time to do it is when you're in the middle of changing your password to a new one.  lol
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07:02  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:05 < xray> Mornin from my new irc bouncer
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07:53 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: If it makes you feel any better, I'm adding that to my master dictionary of passes from previous breaches.
07:53 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: It doesn't
07:54 < aestetix> So Dolemite maybe you can answer this
07:54 < aestetix> Why is everyone so fucking obsessed with Oedipus
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07:54 <@Dolemite> Who is obsessed with Oedipus?
07:55 < aestetix> Linguists, and a bunch of writers
07:55 < aestetix> And Freud
07:56 <@Dolemite> Other than the fact that so many people have Mommy and/or Daddy issues...
07:56 <@Dolemite> I got nothin'
07:56 < aestetix> Basically every greek playwright
07:56 < aestetix> A bunch of linguists and literaary theorists
07:56 < aestetix> And everyone related to James Joyce
07:57 < aestetix> they are all obsessed with that story
07:57 < aestetix> I guess everyone has mommy/daddy issues then
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07:58 < aestetix> If someone is raised in the wild by monkeys, does that mean they don't have an oedipus complex?
07:58 <@Dolemite> Well, to some extent a lot of that is the copycat syndrome
07:58 <@Dolemite> Oedipus worked, as a play, so others decided to write plays that were similar
07:58 < aestetix> And philosophers used it as a conduit to share their frameworks
08:00 < aestetix> can someone click on reddit.com/r/oedipus and tell me if it exists
08:00 < aestetix> because I'm not sure I want that in my browsing history
08:02 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Surprisingly, no.
08:02 < _NSAKEY> This feels like some sort of gross violation of rule 34.
08:02 < aestetix> I guess that means no redditors have mommy or daddy issues
08:02 < aestetix> glad to clear that one up
08:04 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: Don't feel too bad. It's just 1 of 1.2 billion or so.
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08:26 < aestetix> speaking of which
08:26 < aestetix> Evilpig: can you check on my tumblr blog?
08:26 < aestetix> curious if it's still getting updates
08:46 <@rattle> This year is going to suck.
08:51 <@Dolemite> I think it will be more than just this year
09:11 < aestetix> rattle: I'm watching Kerry's speech on the Two State solution
09:12 < aestetix> it seeems he and Netanyahu (sp?) have gotten into a pissing match
09:23 < aestetix> wow
09:23 < aestetix> Vice has gone even more downhill
09:23 < aestetix> http://motherboard.vice.com/en_au/read/democracy-by-app
09:23 < PigBot`> Title: Could Technology Remove the Politicians From Politics? | Motherboard (at motherboard.vice.com) http://tinyurl.com/hwhznp3
09:50 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: That headline made me think of Assassination Politics.
10:04 <@Evilpig> aestetix: i'm at work, so... no
11:04 <@Dagmar> Orbital death lasers?
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11:21 < dasunt> I love how my bank requires me to change my password every 3 months *and* it's mobile app requires me to enter the password in every time I use it.
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11:23 < dasunt> It's a system designed to encourage use of weak passwords that are easily remembered and entered.
11:26 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: 800-63B is your friend.
11:28 < _NSAKEY> The takeaway is that they're shifting the burden to the companies who keep this stuff to use hashing algorithms that won't lead to people like me making fun of them, while making things easier on users.
11:28 < _NSAKEY> One example is that mandatory 90 day resets go out the window, in favor of only resetting if a breach is suspected.
11:29 < dasunt> It's a better idea, IMO.  90 day windows requires use of a password manager, writing it down, or easily memorized password schemes.
11:30  * dasunt looks forward to 800-63B being ready by his bank's online banking staff in about five years.
11:31 < _NSAKEY> There's also the unceremonious death of SMS being used for 2 factor auth, which is so stupid that it never should have been done in the first place.
11:32 < dasunt> What's the major weakness with SMS for two factor?
11:32 < _NSAKEY> It's trivially intercepted by government types, and that's actually been abused in more repressive countries.
11:32 < _NSAKEY> It's also trivial for some script kiddie to call your phone company, pretend to be you, and have the number moved to a phone they control.
11:33 < _NSAKEY> Both have actually happened in the wild.
11:34 < oddball> dasunt: I feel you.  I think my mortgage company finally quit that shit.
11:35 < _NSAKEY> In principle, rotating passwords sounds like a good idea from a paranoia standpoint... But no, just randomly generate long ones, store them using bcrypt or scrypt, and call it a day.
11:36 < oddball> passwords used to expire every 3 months, had to match fairly strong criteria, and couldn't match the last 24 passwords used.
11:36 < _NSAKEY> Another thing I remember is that symbols will no longer be required.
11:36 < oddball> That's great for something I log into every day, but I log into that account exactly once a month.
11:36 < _NSAKEY> Which sounds terrible on paper, until you realize that most people just append ! to the end of their pass when symbols are required.
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11:37 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I had something similar recently. Was forced to change the pass, and went to my usual of 32 random characters. Nope, 20 max.
11:37 < oddball> Oh, and I found out that _-=+ didnt' count as special characters to them.
11:37 < _NSAKEY> My reaction to that is to always go "FUCK YOU" to my monitor.
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11:38 <@Dolemite> For a while I had a password of LinkedInsSecurityIsShitty!
11:38 < oddball> Yeah... a 20 character limit is pretty low.
11:38 <@Dolemite> You'll never guess what service that password was for
11:38 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: You are welcome to add that one to your breach document, too
11:38 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: I'm checking for it now, actually.
11:38 < _NSAKEY> The grep is already running.
12:34 <@rattle> Bitcoin is over $1k again.
12:39 <@Dagmar> Everyone's getting ready for the inauguration
13:09 < aestetix> Dagmar: you mean the people who haven't quit their jobs to avoid it?
13:14 < dasunt> oddball: Our mortgage company does not understand the internets.
13:15 < dasunt> Everything is done via snail mail.
13:19 < aestetix> ok this is funny
13:20 < aestetix> there is an etherpad collecting feedback about 33c3
13:20 < aestetix> and in the "volunteers" section someone demanded that the food for volunteers be all vegan
13:20 < aestetix> and now an edit war has broken out between the vegans and everyone else
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16:01 <@Dagmar> aestetix: In other words, strong leadership is needed and none exists.
16:02 <@Dagmar> It should _not_ take an organizational rules amendment for the people running things to be able to say "No, we will not force everyone to eat according to a small minority's beliefs"
16:03  * dasunt reviews more year-end stuff.
16:05 < dasunt> aestetix: Go for the LOLs, demand free-range organic meat prepared paleo.
16:08 <@Dagmar> Ask specifically for long pig.
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21:50 <@Dagmar> Koolova++
23:02 < aestetix> That would actually make me not want to volunteer
23:02 < aestetix> I fucking hate votuf
23:03 < aestetix> tofu
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23:43 < aestetix> heh
23:43 < aestetix> https://i.reddituploads.com/77d5c636d59d4e16811b9b6a93ce55fb?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=919eae9a86f1bc38d96a5ef9ead5f37f
23:43 < PigBot`> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
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