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05:58 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0, h0, h0ez!
05:59  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:52 < aestetix> http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhone/Super+Mario+Run/feature.asp?c=72473
07:52 < PigBot> Title: What Super Mario Run would look like as a free to play game | iPhone | Pocket Gamer (at www.pocketgamer.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/he72q5x
07:59 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Are people actually complaining about the cost of Super Mario Run?
07:59 < aestetix> Have you seen its rating in the app store?
07:59 < aestetix> It has so many fucking 1 star reviews due to the price
07:59 < _NSAKEY> Isn't part of it free to play, at least?
07:59 < aestetix> Even though it is the best mobile game I have ever played
07:59 < _NSAKEY> Or is it $9.99 up front?
07:59 < aestetix> yes
07:59 < aestetix> the first three levels are free
08:00 < _NSAKEY> Wow. Those people need to stop their bitching then.
08:00 < aestetix> I haven't bought it yet (I will when I get paid)
08:00 < aestetix> but I've put 4-5 hours into the first three levels
08:00 < _NSAKEY> I see that as like the demo discs that used to come with some Playstation games.
08:00 < _NSAKEY> Nobody cried back in the 90s because the demo for Metal Gear Solid ended after you crawled into the air duct.
08:02 < aestetix> But yeah.
08:02 < aestetix> The main complaints are the $10 and that it always needs internet
08:02 < aestetix> This coming from the people who check their email nonstop
08:02 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Is the single button a limiting issue?
08:03 < aestetix> no
08:03 < _NSAKEY> I held off on trying it because that sounded limiting and I was unclear whether part of it was free or not.
08:03 < aestetix> Like, the design that has gone into this game is astounding
08:03 < _NSAKEY> Given the direction games have gone with requiring online connectivity, I don't even see that as a reason to cry.
08:03 < aestetix> right
08:03 < _NSAKEY> It's Nintendo. What do you expect?
08:03 < aestetix> These kids are complaining they can't play it on an airplane
08:04 < aestetix> And OMG $10
08:04 < _NSAKEY> I watched a video semi-recently about the thought that went into Level 1-1 of the original Super Mario Bros.
08:05 < aestetix> well I mean
08:05 < aestetix> for super mario run... it is clear to me that the first level in particular was designed to train you how to play
08:05 < aestetix> because of all the coin placements and so on
08:05 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, and Nintendo's pretty much done that since they pivoted from toys to video games.
08:06 < aestetix> I was with a friend this weekend who was bragging he'd completed the game in only like two hours
08:06 < aestetix> and I asked him, and sure enough, he hadn't tried to get the coins
08:06 < aestetix> He went back to level 1, and when he started the second coin tier, he said "holy shit this is hard"
08:06 < _NSAKEY> They've made some blunders over the years, but designing early levels of games to train people without a long tutorial has been a hallmark of their first party titles going back to the beginning.
08:07 < aestetix> yeah in this case I think the only blunder is that the app store is a cesspool filled with entitled millennials
08:07 < _NSAKEY> It sounds like these kids need to quit Starbucks for a few days if they want to be able to afford Super Mario Run.
08:07 < aestetix> It is making me think that "boy, I'm getting my whip" needs to come back
08:09 < aestetix> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/super-mario-run/id1145275343?mt=8
08:09 < PigBot> Title: Super Mario Run on the App Store (at itunes.apple.com) http://tinyurl.com/hayu692
08:10 < _NSAKEY> 21 levels for $10? That isn't terrible if the game is good.
08:10 < aestetix> well here is the thing
08:11 < aestetix> every level has 5 pink coins
08:11 < aestetix> once you get them, it lets you try to collect red coincs
08:11 < aestetix> if you select the 5 red coin challenge, the level changes
08:11 < aestetix> and again for the third tier (black)
08:11 < aestetix> so it's actually 21*3 levels
08:11 < _NSAKEY> Mario 64 had 15 "main" levels, not counting random hidden areas, and all those levels had 7 stars.
08:11 < _NSAKEY> So, the level count itself doesn't bother me.
08:11 < aestetix> right
08:11 < aestetix> this is similar
08:12 < _NSAKEY> Considering Nintendo 64 carts were $50-60 when they were new, that isn't terrible.
08:13 < _NSAKEY> And given how Nintendo tends to re-release old games for new platforms, I think it's fair to say that they're at least doing good with their copyrights. It's not like the film industry, where they sit on the rights and don't re-release because reasons, then get butthurt because someone pirates it.
08:13 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: you see any potential insanity happening here?  https://gist.github.com/wilpig/eee6ef3946b48daa2fa9b99b0f56ae3d
08:13 < PigBot> Title: plexcloud · GitHub (at gist.github.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5ol8rv
08:13 < aestetix> the NES classic deserves way more complaints than Super Mario Run
08:13 < aestetix> since they haven't actually done anything new.
08:14 < aestetix> and yet there are lines at every store to get one
08:14 < _NSAKEY> 30 games for $60 and having HDMI support isn't terrible, especially for casuals who aren't aware of the raspberry pi.
08:15 < aestetix> yep
08:15 < aestetix> I'm not saying it's bad
08:15 < aestetix> I'm saying if you complain about either the nes classic or the mario run game, it should be about the nes classic
08:15 < _NSAKEY> I have no desire to get the NES classic, since I have a box hooked up to my TV and the No-Intro ROM set.
08:17 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I did some digging. Apparently Super Mario 64 was $70 at launch.
08:19 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Just installed Super Mario Run. I feel like Peach saying "I'll bake a cake!" is supposed to be code for something.
08:19 < aestetix> haha
08:22 < _NSAKEY> Ok, I just played the intro section. This reminds me of those auto-scroll levels. Are any of the children crying their triggered little eyes out about that, or just over the price?
08:33 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: what do you think so far
08:35 < _NSAKEY> I only played the intro. I liked it, but I think I need to replay the intro.
09:49 <@Dagmar> Most of the people are complaining about the one-time price
09:49 <@Dagmar> Frankly I think they should be complaining about the francise being used to make another damn Temple Run game
10:04 < aestetix> It's not like temple run
10:04 < aestetix> Temple run is generated on the fly and endless
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10:31 < oddball> Dear god.  There are people bitching that the TSA might not recognize ID from states that haven't conformed to the Real ID law by 2018.  Nevermind that the law passed in 2005.
10:34 < aestetix> Remind that the law is fascist
10:34 < aestetix> er, nevermind
10:34 < aestetix> Also, nevermind that the US in theory has free mobility within the country
10:35 < oddball> But you've had to show ID to board a plane for a long time.
10:35 < aestetix> only in the US
10:36 < aestetix> Europe has free movement in schengen, you can fly to other countries in schengen without showing ID
10:36 < oddball> Really? huh.
10:36 < aestetix> which I just did less than a week ago
10:36 < aestetix> yeah all you need is a boarding pass
10:36 < aestetix> this is why I'm saying the TSA is fascist.
10:36 < oddball> Of course, this is another one of those "you're arguing the wrong thing." in my mind.
10:37 < aestetix> I have traveled by air to other COUNTRIES without showing ID
10:37 < oddball> If you want to argue against needing to show ID to board a plane, awesome! right there with you.
10:37 < aestetix> In terms of recognizing ID from certain states, I can see a states rights lawsuit in the making
10:38 < oddball> Requiring the states to conform to some sort of national standard for something that has become a default national ID?  Yeah... don't see an issue.
10:38 < aestetix> It depends on what the standard is and how it was pushed through
10:38 < aestetix> I speak as someone who has been showing up at those meetings for a few years to prevent bad standards
10:38 < aestetix> :)
10:39 < aestetix> I love it when the topic of ID databases comes up, I usually ask something about "so what do you do when it gets hacked"
10:39 < aestetix> and there is silence, and the item quietly goes off the agenda without getting approved
10:40 < aestetix> or the lobbyist from some contractor speaks up about their security, so I ask about third party security audits
10:40 < oddball> The standard is "full legal name, sex, date of birth, home address, picture of your face, and signature."
10:40 < oddball> Which, frankly, most of the states already required.
10:41 < oddball> Oh, I forgot a unique ID.
10:41 < aestetix> on that note I need to go home
10:41 < aestetix> ttfn
10:43 <@Dagmar> I don't suppose we can do something about the interference in other country's politics that's the _reason_ we have terrorists
10:43 <@Dagmar> That would be too hard
10:43 <@Dagmar> Also, much less expensive.
10:43 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: It also doesn't involve naked power grabs, so that alone kills the idea.
10:44 < oddball> Honestly? We're fucked in that regard at this point.
10:44 < _NSAKEY> We were past the point of no return once we took that job away from the British.
10:44 < oddball> We're evil if we interfere, and we're evil if we stand back at watch dictators slaughter their people.
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12:29 <@Dagmar> THe problem being, most of the time, we're selling weapons to one side or _both_ sides when slaughtering happens
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13:25 < aestetix> brimstone: ping
13:25 < xray> pong
13:26 < aestetix> uh
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13:48 < xray> aestetix: haven't seen brimstone today
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14:39 <@brimstone> Hihi
14:41 <@brimstone> @aestetix: pong
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15:27 < operat0r[m]> brimstone: 1TB csv ftw
15:47 < _NSAKEY> operat0r[m]: Yahoo MD5s?
15:48 < operat0r[m]> Hah no internal  vuln data
16:28 < _NSAKEY> Here's a fun question: Have any of you guys ever messed with Quanta LB4M switches before?
16:46 < dasunt> Nope.
16:50 < xray> No
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20:45 < aestetix> brimstone: yo
20:45 < aestetix> brimstone: still around?
20:48 < ware> more slender and vertical than around imo
20:50 < aestetix> ware: how are your cows?
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21:21 < ware> my cows?
21:22 < ware> your mom hasnt been over in a week or so
21:22 < ware> ayy
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