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06:41 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0, h0, h0ez!
06:41 < xray> There will be a total solar eclipse viewable from Nashville next year http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4515
06:42 < PigBot> Title: SVS: 2017 Path of Totality (at svs.gsfc.nasa.gov) http://tinyurl.com/ja9mf3p
06:45 < _NSAKEY> xray: Yeah, I've been thinking about going to it since some time last year.
06:46 < _NSAKEY> Going a little further north will result in a better view of it.
06:46 <@Dolemite> Cumberland Plateau area was right smack in the middle of the optimal viewing area, IIRC
06:47 < _NSAKEY> If I remember correctly, Hendersonville/Gallatin will have a slightly better view than Nashville proper.
06:54 < xray> _NSAKEY: This might be a way to add a Raspberry Pi to NetKotH. https://sourceforge.net/projects/rangebox/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djLsG74rhe8
06:54 < PigBot> Title: Range-Box download | SourceForge.net (at sourceforge.net) http://tinyurl.com/glowrb4
07:09  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:16 < aestetix> that was an interesting experiment
07:16 < aestetix> I logged into twitter to check something
07:16 < aestetix> and within a minute I was seeing angry comments about some nonsense and getting pissed off
07:17 < aestetix> I quickly logged back out because I do not need that nonsense anymore
07:17 < xray> Isn't twitter where twits share what's on their minds.
07:19 < aestetix> no
07:19 < aestetix> it's where they circle jerk to each others reposts
07:19 < xray> Exactly https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/twit
07:19 < PigBot> Title: Twit | Definition of Twit by Merriam-Webster (at www.merriam-webster.com) http://tinyurl.com/z7zryyv
07:19 < aestetix> I saw a video on youtube yesterday
07:20 < aestetix> it was a millennial college student kid (with colored hair)
07:20 < xray> a silly annoying person
07:20 < aestetix> he said "to be honest I'm really hard to offend..... unless you say anything that is racist or homophobic...."
07:21 < xray> Why is it the people who claim to be the least biased about categorizing people insist on so many categories.
07:21 < aestetix> If you wanna have fun
07:21 < xray> 1. Over simplify the subject.
07:21 < aestetix> point out to someone that the phrase "african america" prevents inclusion because by definition it creates barriers
07:22 < aestetix> (as opposed to simply "american")
07:22 < xray> 2. Claim that anyone who wants to discuss your over simplification is evil.
07:22 < xray> Agreed
07:23 < xray> We (dc404) have been discussing a conundrum regarding hacking
07:23 < xray> Well learning to hack
07:24 < xray>   I posted several articles to a list and was asked by one of the students if I couldn't post them all in one email.
07:24 < xray> I explained that the reason for the list was discussion of information security topics and that threading only works if you have one topic per thread.
07:24 < xray>   I suggested that they enable digest mode in their list subscription. That way the people who prefer threading and the people who prefer digests can both be happy.
07:24 < xray> To my astonishment the student said "I had no idea that option existed."
07:24 < _NSAKEY> xray: Were they triggered?
07:25 < xray> no.
07:25 < xray> It then dawned on me that most of the students I talk to are users of technology and have no idea how it works.
07:25 < xray> And this is from the students who want to know how to hack
07:25 < xray>  I have always made it a practice to read the documentation, especially the "magic" readme.txt file that contains all the stuff they discovered that matters after the manuals were committed to the printers.
07:26 < xray> It never occurred to the students to read the documentation. I think they are going to find hacking very difficult if not impossible to do.
07:27 < aestetix> Interesting
07:27 < aestetix> But it makes sense. Especially given apple's whole "it just works"
07:28 < xray> not if you define hacking as finding the difference between how something is designed to work and what it will actually do.
07:29 < xray> Have you seen this: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/
07:29 < PigBot> Title: The Distribution of Users’ Computer Skills: Worse Than You Think (at www.nngroup.com) http://tinyurl.com/hb9es2a
07:29 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CdJ4oae8f4
07:29 < PigBot> Title: Self-Driving Uber running red light - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zys8vju
07:31 < xray> The video looks like it was shot from a police car. I wonder why they didn't pull the car over. Then again who would you give the ticket to.
07:31 < aestetix> Uber is claiming this was due to a human error
07:32 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13180973
07:32 < PigBot> Title: Uber ordered to stop self-driving vehicle service in San Francisco | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) http://tinyurl.com/gpmlwlu
07:32 < xray> As in the human who programed it.
07:32 < aestetix> That would be a very bad precedent to set
07:33 <@Dagmar> I wonder... are knee-cappers legal in this state?
07:33 < aestetix> I wonder if a self driving Uber can detect spikes in the road
07:34 < aestetix> like if you laid a rope of pointy nails for the uber to run over, what would it do
07:34 < xray> Complain on Twitter
07:34 < aestetix> haha
07:34 < aestetix> but I mean
07:35 < aestetix> that could be a simple way for activists to totally shut this down
07:35 < aestetix> eventually uber would get sick of replacing tires. and people would want a real taxi
07:39 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure the arrests would put a damper on people's willingness to try to lay road traps
07:39 <@Dagmar> _Deliberately_ doing such a thing is a felony
07:39 < aestetix> Dagmar: I never said the activists are smart
07:39 < xray> It could be seen by the courts as attempted murder.
07:40 < xray> Of the occupants of the car.
07:40 <@Dagmar> I'm wondering about the knee-cappers because it's about once a month, rather regularly, that some asshole on 65 decides they're going to change lanes by ignoring my car
07:40 <@Dagmar> They seem to be of the impression that it's okay to commit attempted vehicular assault
07:40 < xray> Give them a coronary with a train horn.
07:41 < aestetix> hmm
07:41 <@Dagmar> That requires a very high-powered air compressor
07:41 <@Dagmar> My guess is that if they're thinking "a little bump won't hurt" then perhaps the idea of having the side of their vehicle shredded will make them reconsider that shit
07:41 < xray> I found a kit that has everything needed and it is REALLY loud
07:41 <@Dagmar> It's either that or start throwing bottles at these people
07:42 <@Dagmar> If "REALLY loud" doesn't exceed 120dBa, don't bother
07:42 < xray> I'll post a link
07:43 <@Dagmar> Again, if "REALLY loud" doesn't exceed 120dBa, don't bother.
07:45 < xray> about 1 minute 50 seconds in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zooUyAqVUvE
07:45 < PigBot> Title: Hornblasters Review from DJD Labs - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jnvaj5s
07:46 < xray> https://www.hornblasters.com/
07:46 < PigBot> Title: Train Horns & Train Horn Kits: Loudest Horns Available (at www.hornblasters.com) http://tinyurl.com/jawvod6
07:50 <@Dagmar> Jesus Piriform is going to wind up suing Microsoft
07:51 < xray> For what
07:51 <@Dagmar> Interference.
07:51 < xray> What does that mean?
07:52 <@Dagmar> Since I've had Windows 10, it has outright _uninstalled_ CCleaner *twice*, and last night it did another round of "fuck your workspaces, I'm patching" and one of those patches disabled CCleaner again
07:52 <@Dagmar> Tried to run it from the bin as per usual and got "CCleaner doesn't work on this version of Windows"
07:53 <@Dagmar> ...which is a lie because going to my fileshare where I keep all that stuff and just reinstalling CCleaner fixed it.
07:54 < xray> Windows 10 is a bit of a moving target. Several of the Windows updates have changed privacy setting back to the defaults.
07:55 < xray> I'm thinking of writing a program that monitors all the privacy settings I use for modification.
07:56 < xray> If I could get Linux to reliably play DVDs and Blurays I would dump Windows.
07:57 < xray> After years of experimentation I have come to the conclusion that if you want a reliable media center that will play any format you have to use Windows.
07:57 <@Dagmar> Let me guess... Using VLC, right?
07:58 < xray> Every other solution I have tried ends up being an adventure equivalent to finding the mythical North West Passage.
07:58 <@Dagmar> The only things I've found VLC not playing that WMC does play are the shifty formats that allow naughtiness to be embedded in them
07:58 < xray> Even if you manage to find a way it will die with the next update.
07:58 <@Dagmar> ...and yet I've been using VLC for years and years.
07:58 < xray> I didn't say WMC.
07:59 < xray> I said using Windows as a media center, meaning using it to play media from any source.
07:59 < xray> WMC sucks.
07:59 <@Dagmar> Holy fuck why would you expect it to be a reliable host?
08:00 < xray> I find things that VLC chokes on all the time. That's why I have five different players installed. If one doesn't work another will.
08:00 <@Dagmar> Stop getting cooked AVI files from retards on the freenets
08:01 < xray> There isn't a single open source method of rendering Blueray menus.
08:01 < xray> I don't use torrented files at all.
08:01 < xray> I'm talking about legitimate content.
08:01 <@Dagmar> So, you're finding it lacking because it can't do something that isn't particularly legal in the first place
08:02 < xray> I'm not a newbie at video either. I use to be a member of SMPTE.
08:02 <@Dagmar> Keep in mind that format is encumbered by dumbassery that learned from the failures of CSS and doubled down on greed.
08:02 < xray> I don't disagree.
08:02 <@Dagmar> Hell I can't even reliably find blank BD discs in stores anymore
08:02 <@Dagmar> Fuck those people
08:03 < xray> I have managed to build a usable media center with the exception of BD menues.
08:03 < xray> Still haven't solved that.
08:03 <@Dagmar> Fuck menus, I'll rip shit
08:03 < xray> Obviously you haven't been to a Walmart recently.
08:03 <@Dagmar> If I have to, I'll pirate the stuff I own
08:03 <@Dagmar> I don't "do" Wal-Mart
08:03 < xray> Even ripped you don't have menues.
08:04 <@Dagmar> However, Target and Best Buy almost never bother to restock them
08:04 <@Dagmar> What the hell do I care about menus for?
08:04 < _NSAKEY> This is what you guys get for giving money to the studios.
08:04 < _NSAKEY> Piracy, ironically enough, solves all of the above issues.
08:04 < xray> It makes it interesting if you are trying to watch the director's cut or the specials if you don't have menues.
08:04 < _NSAKEY> I quit buying DVDs when they put mandatory trailers for other movies at the beginning.
08:05 < xray> I'm not talking about pirated content.
08:05 < xray> I own the BD discs legally.
08:05 < _NSAKEY> I know you're not.
08:05 < _NSAKEY> That's the sad part.
08:05 < xray> I so agree
08:05 <@Dagmar> If the disc has multiple versions of the content, I'm going to encode the longest/fanciest one and stop giving a fuck about the rest
08:05 < xray> BD uses a java based menu system.
08:06 < xray> So far I haven't found a product that correctly handles them without talking to Oracle to license a library.
08:07 < xray> Buying a dedicated BD player doesn't fix the problem either.
08:07 < operat0r[m]> Go amazon cloud plex ;)  its20% off right now
08:07 < xray> They change up the formats often enough that the players won't play some discs.
08:08 < xray> you mean this http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/plex-puts-your-video-into-amazon-cloud-so-its-always-available/
08:08 < PigBot> Title: Plex puts your video into Amazon cloud so it’s always available | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/hkza4sa
08:09 < xray> So without a network connection you have no video.
08:09 < operat0r[m]> Yup not sure how thr pricong works you just pay for banwith i guess
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08:10 < xray> It appears to cost $60 per year plus the cost for Plex.
08:10 < xray> "The Plex Cloud beta will add features over time, but initially it won't support some Plex features such as offline sync and DVR capability."
08:11 <@Dolemite> If you don't already have a Plex Lifetime Pass, you should.
08:11 <@Dolemite> It's cheap enough and the product is more than worth that level of support.
08:12 < xray> I have tried pretty much every media center application there is and they all have issues.
08:12 < xray> All of them are walled gardens when it comes to formats and sources they will play.
08:12 < aestetix> wow
08:13 <@opticron> yep, just purchased a lifetime pass when they went on sale mondayish
08:13 < aestetix> I have had to log into twitter a couple times today because of DMs with someone for a trip I'm going on
08:13 < xray> A laptop with Windows will play anything from any source and I don't have to train my wife how to use it as she already knows how to use a laptop.
08:13 < aestetix> and every time I glance at the "timeline" something starts to upset me
08:13 < aestetix> it's almost like twitter is selecting the tweets that are most likely to get someone outraged
08:13 <@opticron> I'm hoping they'll eventually add hardware accelerated transcoding support since latest ffmpeg supports several kinds
08:14 < xray> Twitter is just like any other news media outlet. They get people to use it by catering to their emotions.
08:15 < xray> and rage works better than most.
08:15 < aestetix> one other note
08:15 < xray> Speaking of raging against the machine I have to rebuild my laptop with Windows 10 today.
08:15 < aestetix> I don't have a cell phone, and I'm arranging travel plans with someone
08:16 < aestetix> it's amazing how much they are freaking out over this
08:16 < aestetix> I'm like.... give me a location, and a time, and I'll be there
08:16 < aestetix> "what if you arent"
08:16 < xray> They have this really cool technology called email.
08:16 < aestetix> no, I'll be there
08:16 < xray> Is this life or death? If not they need to get a frip.
08:17 < aestetix> no
08:17 < xray> grip
08:17 < aestetix> I get this shit all the time
08:17 < aestetix> it's like everyone has gotten how to be human
08:17 < xray> I make it a point of not enabling that kind of behavior.
08:17 < aestetix> if I am going to a new place, I make a little map
08:17 < xray> forgoten?
08:17 < aestetix> yes, forgotten*
08:18 < aestetix> if the map doesn't work, I ask someone nearby for help.
08:18 < xray> Apparently I can't spell either.
08:19 < xray> I'm of the opinion that your not really ready to make your way in the world if you can't find a location with nothing more than the address.
08:19 < aestetix> what's funny is people get super desperate about it
08:19 < aestetix> as if I'm lying to them and I actually have a secret cell phone
08:19 < aestetix> that I'm hiding from them
08:19 < xray> We have street view and GPS, how hard could it be?
08:19 < aestetix> right
08:20 < xray> It's not like they are orienteering in the Alps and one misstep will result in death.
08:20 < aestetix> like one of the comments my friend just made
08:20 < aestetix> "well you don't have a phone so we can't be sure about timing, but "
08:20 < xray> ?!?!?!?
08:20 < xray> What
08:20 < xray> What is that supposed to mean?
08:20 < aestetix> I told her when I plan to arrive
08:21 < aestetix> and I was asking about what to do if nobody is there.... the answer should be "there's a cafe down the street you can hang out at)
08:21 < xray> I've seen real problems and this isn't one of them.
08:22 < aestetix> but yeah. there is usually this freaking out at me as if I need to stop hiding the phone I have and just give them the number
08:24 < operat0r[m]> xray plex plays just about everyhthing...i dont know any better transcoder then vlc but vlc command line is like rocket sciance
08:24 < _NSAKEY> xray: What I love are the people who insist on giving directions even after being told multiple times that you can figure it out with an address.
08:25 < _NSAKEY> More than once, I've just had to go, "SHUT THE FUCK UP" because being nice about it didn't stop that nonsense.
08:25 < aestetix> well I like that if it includes landmarks
08:26 < operat0r[m]> _NSAKEY: thats just how woman are
08:26 < aestetix> haha
08:26 < operat0r[m]> ;)
08:26 < _NSAKEY> Ugh, fuck landmarks.
08:26 < _NSAKEY> That's a slippery slope to what I call "country directions," and that shit needs to die in a fire.
08:27 < _NSAKEY> The only time I want to hear more than an address is when it's some place that isn't covered well by Google Maps or an equivalent.
08:28 < _NSAKEY> For example, ben's new place isn't quite covered by navigation. It will get close, but stops a few houses short. Being told, "Hey, Google messes this up and here's how" is sufficient.
08:29 < aestetix> I mean landmarks like "look for a house with a bright red door" or something
08:31 < aestetix> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/the-talk-4
08:31 < PigBot> Title: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The Talk (at www.smbc-comics.com) http://tinyurl.com/h44dxr6
09:08 < aestetix> donald trump
09:30 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YFL2LT7oqQ&index=1&list=PLIPm6JAyEJ_fXomcWrVGpU4ONEWZGzsjq
09:30 < PigBot> Title: The Oakland Warehouse Fire: Who’s to Blame? Who Will Pay? And Who Will Do Time? | Podcast | TMZ - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hn293a7
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09:50 < TheDukh> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good malware analysis book, aside from the practical malware analysis?
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10:04 <@rattle> FINALLY THE TRUTH ABOUT THINGS THAT MATTER:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZ7Oj3kvkg
10:04 < PigBot> Title: RWW News: Jones: Kanye West Met With Trump To Escape The Illuminati - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zobm2l5
10:06 < aestetix> so rattle what do you think about mr Rex
10:07 <@rattle> Just another flame in the dumpster fire.
10:08 < aestetix> rattle: given how many reps have taken money from Exxon, I'm wondering if trump is using this to get control over congres
10:09 <@rattle> The potential for corruption in this administration is off the charts.  Anything is possible.
10:09 < xray> How is that any different from any previous administration?
10:10 < xray> When you use the word "politition" it is assumed.
10:10 < aestetix> the difference is that unlike Obama, trump is not a pussy
10:10 < xray> politician
10:10 < aestetix> however, this is not a good thing for the country
10:10 < xray> But Obama or Hillary was?
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10:10 < aestetix> no
10:11 < xray> So back to our regularly scheduled programming
10:11 < xray> Literally. Writing code.
10:11 < aestetix> sigh. obama COULD have been so much better
10:12 < xray> Anyone "could" be better but the fact that they are politicians means it is not possible.
10:12 < xray> Anyone who desires to be a politician is not qualified to hold the office.
10:13 < xray> Besides the current underlying premise the gov is based on is flawed. No matter how clever your calculus if you believe 1 + 1 can equal 3 for extremely large values of 1 your answers will be iffy.
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10:15 < xray> The minute they created the Federal Income Tax the debate was no longer about how to govern and became a debate about who's pet project would get funded so they could collect power.
10:15 < aestetix> rattle: is CFR sufficiently removed from this drama? I hope you're not taking our discussions peresonally
10:15 < aestetix> personally*
10:16 < xray> What is CFR?
10:16 <@rattle> We're non-partisan.  Our membership and staff is all over the political spectrum.
10:17 < aestetix> cool
10:17 <@rattle> We pride ourselves in that, actually.
10:17 < TheDukh> please tell me the libertarians and communists share a cubical
10:17 < aestetix> haha
10:17 < xray> False compassion and false philanthropy are the root of all evil.
10:17 < xray> LoL
10:17 < aestetix> xray: so the bay area is the root of all evil
10:17 < xray> I can just hear the screaming.
10:18 <@rattle> We don't take stances.  We create a discussion space where all viewpoints are welcome.  We see ourselves as the place where ideas can face off, and adults can have serious discussions.
10:18 < aestetix> rattle: you should have Mio Yiannapolis speak
10:18 < aestetix> Milo*
10:19 <@rattle> We've taken heat in the past for having folks like Fidel Castro and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speak..  But our thing, is that we want to bring together opposing viewpoints for serious discussion.
10:20 < aestetix> I'd actually love to see Snowden speak there, in an adversarial discussion.
10:21 < TheDukh> I remember watching Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speak at NYU some years ago, and all the shit he got from speaking there.  Especially when he said "I thought free speech was a tenant of your country?"
10:21 < aestetix> There's only one talk he's done that was remotely like that, because he was interviewed by someone on Obama's team to review the Snowden issues
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19:59 < aestetix> so
19:59 < aestetix> is there any other president who has never held elected office?
19:59 < aestetix> I think trump might be a first here
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