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02:09 < _NSAKEY> https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-statement-regarding-samsung-galaxy-note7
02:09 < PigBot> Title: Verizon statement regarding Samsung Galaxy Note7 | About Verizon (at www.verizon.com) http://tinyurl.com/z99536l
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11:31 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: I don't think they really thought that through very well.  If the problem is caused by what I read the engineers determined it was, then *most* of those units are going to explode over time.
11:31 <@Dagmar> Not just a few, _most_ of them.
11:32 <@Dagmar> Maybe they're being incredibly stupid and hoping that someone will buy into the 'warranty had expired so bursting into flames is okay' theory but I doubt it
11:32 <@Dagmar> Reminder for those that missed it: THe problem with the Note 7 was that there was *zero* buffer space around the battery inside the device.
11:33 <@Dagmar> These batteries generally start expanding when they age, and other than this is really likely to deform the cases, it increases the chance the batteries can have a thermal failure by hundreds of times
11:34 <@Dagmar> Knocks against the back of the case will effectively be knocks against an already pissed off and compressed battery
11:41 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I knew you would have a fine appreciation for Verizon being stupid and negligent on this one.
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12:00 <@oddball> New reason why I'm evil: I believe that all performance venues should be held to fire codes.
12:20 <@oddball> Apparently local governments are cracking down on "undocumented" venues after the Ghost Ship fire.
12:47 <@Dagmar> Consideirng that many people had the opportunity to make that not a deathtrap, and apparnetly no one did a fuckin' thing?
12:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'd say that means it's time for the regulators to step in and be adults.
12:48 <@oddball> Oh, and I'm being told that they're surprised that I'm siding with more regulations.
12:49 <@oddball> I'm not siding with more regs, I'm siding with following the fucking law.  Don't like the law?  Fine.  Work to change it.
12:49 <@oddball> You don't get to declare that you get to ignore laws because you're one of the cool kids (yes, I realize that reality says otherwise, but...).
12:56 <@Dagmar> The existing regulations work fine
12:57 <@Dagmar> They've been lightly enforced in the past because organizers and promoters have been _careful_
12:57 <@oddball> Right.
12:57 <@Dagmar> The guy running Ghost Ship on the other hand, was a navel-gazing asshole and a lot of people died.
12:58 <@Dagmar> Now it's time to remind people that the light enforcement of the past and the ease with which sites could be identified and parties thrown was because _everyone_ took steps to make sure no intervention was necessary.
12:58 <@oddball> It's the "this is why we can't have nice things" rule.
12:58 <@Dagmar> It wasn't just the guy whose name was on the lease at Ghost Ship that was at fault for that fire.  He's just the person at the top who really, really ignored his responsibilities
12:59 <@Dagmar> While I was out there in SF there was one place on the edge of the loin that had _regular_ parties
12:59 <@Dagmar> The owners were out of hte country
12:59 <@Dagmar> Had no idea shit was going on
12:59 <@Dagmar> The guys running it kept a tight ship
12:59 <@Dagmar> This went on for almost four months, every weekend night
13:00 <@oddball> Same with people freaking our that the state is now expecting them to pay hotel taxes on that spare bedroom that they sometimes rent out on AirBNB.
13:00 <@Dagmar> ...then one night a little somewhat elderly asian couple showed up in the doorway.
13:00 <@Dagmar> Organizer guys got the news right away and called an emergency clear-out
13:00 <@oddball> heh
13:01 <@Dagmar> 15 minutes later, everything and everyone was out of there, the place was clean, and the bewildered asians were standing there with a few grand in their hands.
13:01 <@Dagmar> Organizers had been charging $5/head to make sure there was money to hand those people if they figured it out.  heh
13:02 <@Dagmar> Stangely they didnt' feel like going to the police.  heh
13:02 <@Dagmar> er Strangely
13:02 <@oddball> funny that.
13:03 <@Dagmar> There's an extreme contrast between that level of keeping shit together, and what was going on at Ghost Ship
13:04 <@oddball> From what I understand, Ghost Ship was more of a regular thing than an event.
13:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah it was
13:05 <@Dagmar> ...and they were regularly being dumbasses
13:05 <@Dagmar> This incident just happened to happen on a night where someone was throwing a party upstairs
13:05 <@Dagmar> People were _living there_, despite it not being permitted for that.  The guy who was leasing the place was living there, and he was actually renting space to other people, also to live there
13:06 <@oddball> Ah, so it wasn't "I'm going to run a fucking nightclub and not bother with codes?"
13:07 <@Dagmar> No, it was "I'm going to run a fucking shantytown and not bother with codes or concerning myself with safety"
13:07 <@Dagmar> It was basically only a matter of time before something dire happened.
13:07 <@oddball> ah, ok.  So a little different, but still fuck that guy.
13:07 <@Dagmar> Yep
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14:32 < aestetix> uh oh someone said ghost ship
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16:26 < aestetix> oddball: Dagmar also, this place, based on the photos, was very much on the scummy side of things
16:26 < aestetix> this place == ghost ship
16:26 < aestetix> I've been in a lot of live-work art warehouse spaces in the bay area
16:26 < aestetix> none of them looked as bad as the photos of ghost ship I saw
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