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06:15 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:16 < xray> Morning. It took a while to respond because my arm was tangled up in the coffee IV drip line.
06:16 <@Dolemite> Ah.  I trickle mine in during the drive to work.  About 4 miles/oz.
06:17 < operat0r[m]> Kids with guns? No kids with thousands of INTERNET VEPONS!
06:23 <@Dolemite> Just don't give those kids both guns AND the internet
06:23 <@Dolemite> Then you end up with the Pizzagate Vigilante
06:25 < operat0r[m]> Riding rhe train here in ATL saw a guy  chugging water...i was about to make a joke about it being gin or something then I relize the guys hands shaking ..gussing it was not water
06:26 < operat0r[m]> Hah your grandmas router is my gun ol man!
06:26 < _NSAKEY> operat0r[m]: Was it in a PN20 water bottle?
06:27 <@Dolemite> "water" bottle
06:27 < _NSAKEY> I enjoyed guessing what non-alcoholic drink each attendee was clearly drinking this year.
06:27 <@Dolemite> Never forget the air quotes
06:27 < operat0r[m]> Ha nope checkers plastic cup!
06:27 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: Not those. We ordered bottles this year, but the vendor fucked up and shipped us clear bottles instead of white ones.
06:27 <@Dolemite> doh!
06:27 < _NSAKEY> So I had fun guessing that other attendees were drinking things like apple juice.
06:27 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDvj6DQd93o
06:27 <@Dolemite> Capri Sun!
06:27 < PigBot> Title: JB Peterson Debate on Bill C-16 19th Nov 2016 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/z6aa6ho
06:28 < aestetix> very interesting debate
06:28  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:30 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Will that video make me want to punch a hipster?
06:31 < operat0r[m]> I never grabbed on of thos but the yeti knockoffs work great gabe it to my wife along with a KPMG CYBER sweatshirt so shes a hacker now
06:31 <@Dolemite> Like somebody with a full beard, skinny jeans, and a personal pronoun of "zhe"
06:32 <@Dolemite> operat0r[m]: Little did you realize that KPMG Cyber is actually a cam-chat service.
06:32 <@Dolemite> Or maybe you DID know that.  Sneaky bastard.
06:34 < operat0r[m]> They have a 247 Cyber hotline ;)
06:35 < operat0r[m]> I loled every time i saw people with that in there email sig
06:39 < aestetix> Dolemite: you can skip that part
06:39 < aestetix> I actually learned a few things from the guy's responses to the questions
06:39 <@Dolemite> Wait.  Was there really one of those in the video?
06:40 < aestetix> he has clearly thought about these issues deeply, and has very cogent answers
06:40 < aestetix> I would recommend skipping the segments from anyone not him though
06:40 < aestetix> Dolemite: his debating partners are a lawyer who is actually very smart, and someone who I guess is from the gender studies department
06:41 < aestetix> I learned a bit from his sparring with the lawyer. The other one I mostly skipped
06:41 <@Dolemite> aestetix: But how does it compare to this?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9fnfusdJYs
06:41 < PigBot> Title: McRib Girl at Santa Clarita Council 11.24.15 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j7c8pgg
06:44 <@Dagmar> A shame about hte note 7, now that the final verdict is out
06:44 <@Dagmar> Lack of _any_ breathing space for the battery makes the things unsafe for every purpose that involves the battery
07:00 < xray> https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/
07:00 < PigBot> Title: The Distribution of Users’ Computer Skills: Worse Than You Think (at www.nngroup.com) http://tinyurl.com/hb9es2a
07:01 < xray> In case you don't know. If you are reading this you are most likely in the top 5% of computer skills.
07:02 < xray> If your a skilled hacker you are probably in the top 1%. Which explains why it is so hard to get info sec people.
07:04 <@Dolemite> you're
07:04 < xray> Sorry. I'll go get more coffee.
07:12 <@Dagmar> That page is fucking depressing
07:12 <@Dagmar> Bleke: Just remember.  If a stranger ever offers you back-references, just say "No!"
07:13 < aestetix> what about back-massages?
07:13 <@Dagmar> No, back-references.  For regular expressions
07:13 < aestetix> oh lol
07:13 < aestetix> what's wrong with creating state in regex?
07:14 <@Dagmar> They're the first step on the road to writing rexeps that can and will run amok and gobble ludicrous amounts of CPU time as they attempt to solve for np-completeness
07:48 < xray> Firebug no longer being developed
07:48 < xray> http://getfirebug.com/
07:48 < PigBot> Title: Firebug (at getfirebug.com) http://tinyurl.com/yjr73v
07:48 <@Evilpig> that stinks
07:48 <@Evilpig> I loves me some firebug
07:48 < xray> The page says to use the built in Firefox dev tools.
07:48 <@Evilpig> I see that
07:49 <@Evilpig> but I prefer firebug.  the built in tools always felt clunky by comparison
07:50 <@Evilpig> https://blog.getfirebug.com/2016/02/08/merging-firebug-into-the-built-in-firefox-developer-tools/
07:50 < PigBot> Title: Getfirebug Blog » Blog Archive » Merging Firebug into the built-in Firefox Developer Tools (at blog.getfirebug.com) http://tinyurl.com/hx52zay
07:50 < xray> So firebug has been assimilated
07:50 < xray> long live the borg
07:51 < aestetix> oh nice
07:51 < aestetix> does that mean firebug will support DRM now?
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12:00 < aestetix> https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/trump-taiwan/509474/
12:00 < PigBot> Title: Trump and Taiwan: The Meaning of a Phone Call - The Atlantic (at www.theatlantic.com) http://tinyurl.com/jqnxcym
12:01 < aestetix> I really hope this phone call will not be like the zimmermann telegram
12:24 <@rattle> I don't think so.
12:24 <@rattle> The Chinese are very pragmatic.
12:25 <@rattle> I am boggled by it though.  The Taiwan Straight status quo, while sorta stupid, has been working well for everyone.  I can't see any benefit to screwing with it.
12:26 <@rattle> I think China is most likely to brush it off as Trump testing them to see how they would react, rather than finding a way to retaliate.
12:26 <@rattle> But I'm pretty sure most of the world is looking at it going "why would you do that?"
12:26 <@rattle> Trump said he was going to be unpredictable.  That seems to be a bit part of his "strategy" towards things, if you can call it a strategy..
12:27 <@rattle> And maybe he picked this one because he figures the Chinese will brush it off.
12:27 <@rattle> Taking a "fuck em'" approach towards China is not wise though.
12:28 < aestetix> rattle: and now he's pissing off Boeing
12:29 <@rattle> There's a lot of concern in the intelligence and foreign policy community right now, globally, about Trump, in general.
12:32 <@rattle> I'm very concerned about how he is going to handle North Korea.
12:33 < aestetix> Hopefully he gets an intel briefing first
12:33 <@Dolemite> Trump Internationational Pyongyang
12:33 < aestetix> Do you think Kim Jon-Un will be open to a Trump Tower, North Korea edition?
12:34 < aestetix> Help boost the struggling tourist industry
12:34 <@Dolemite> Once he brings true luxury (tm) to a nation full of people who don't even have enough food to eat, they'll treat him like a god
12:36 <@rattle> I can make a grim prediction..  Shortly after Trump takes office, the DPRK is staging a long range missile test.  One of the options put across his desk is an air strike on the missile before launch.  He takes it.  Pyongyang responds by shelling Seoul.  A half a million people die in the first 10 minutes.  Somewhere shy of a million are dead before allied forces can take out the offensive forces.\
12:36 < aestetix> So glad I don't live in the US right now
12:40 < aestetix> So wait
12:40 < aestetix> rattle: wouldn't that upset China?
12:40 < aestetix> As well as South Korea
12:40 < aestetix> I have Kissing's autobiography on the shelf
12:41 < aestetix> I was gonna put off reading it for a while, but it seems too relevant now
12:43 < aestetix> So basically
12:43 < aestetix> Trump is going to be like Andrew Jackson on steroids
12:54 <@Dagmar> You have reason to believe that Trump will kill the private banking industry's stranglehold on currency?
12:58 < aestetix> was the bank of the us private?
12:58 < aestetix> I thought it was the national bank, which is why he abolished it
13:00 <@Dagmar> It was because the institution was private, and believed in soft money, dude.
13:00 <@Dagmar> ...as opposed to "hard money", which is money backed by _something_.
13:00 <@Dagmar> What we have now is backed by basically, bureaucracy.  Not gold or silver.
13:00 < aestetix> oh you mean it was a gold standard related issue
13:01 <@Dagmar> He was also not a fan of how banks could speculate using customer money and laughingly lose it
13:02 < aestetix> Right, he was a populist
13:02 <@Dagmar> No, he actually had some sense.
13:02 < aestetix> They used to.
13:02  * aestetix points to William Jennings Brya
13:02 < aestetix> brian
13:03 <@Dagmar> It's got nothing to do with whteher or not he was a "populist", but rather his belief that private, for-profit instutions shouldn't be allowed to control the money supply, because they'll (somewhat obviously) abuse it
13:04 <@Dagmar> Right now, if "new" currency is to be introduced to the US economy, guess where it *all* comes from.
13:05 < aestetix> Federal reserve, right?
13:05 <@Dagmar> Private corporations.
13:06 < aestetix> oh you mean by way of credit
13:06 <@Dagmar> Yes.
13:07 < aestetix> It's kind of amazing all the strange things I run into because I've never had an american credit card
13:07 < aestetix> Like, checking into hotels. They all ask for your credit card. "I don't have one." They don't know what to do
13:07 <@Dagmar> These companies take loans from the fed, mostly based on assets they don't actually have, and then in turn loan that to their customers for a further profit
13:08 <@Dagmar> Basically, those private institutions then control currency generation, because not one new penny goes into the economy without them getting it first
13:08 < aestetix> right
13:08 < aestetix> So you were asking not how money gets into circulation, but how liquidity gets into circulation, ie credit
13:09 < aestetix> IE debt
13:09 <@Dagmar> No that's literally where the new money comes from
13:09 <@Dagmar> ...and it's _based_ on debts.
13:09 <@Dagmar> Someone has to go into debt before any new currency can be introduced
13:11 <@Dagmar> They go into debt by borrowing money that doesn't exist yet
13:11 <@Dagmar> ...not by borrowing money that's based on any actual wealth generation
13:14 < aestetix> http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/12/06/ghost-ship-manager-derrick-ion-almena-apolgizes-defends-living-arrangement/
13:14 < PigBot> Title: Oakland fire: Ghost Ship manager apolgizes, defends arrangement (at www.eastbaytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/httfkts
13:15 <@Dagmar> He's *so* going to jail
13:17 < aestetix> He's about to find out what reality is like
13:17 <@Dagmar> He appears to be completely ignoring _why_ permits exist
13:18 <@Dagmar> Those statements he just made are going to figure in prominently in _why_ he gets a heavy sentence
13:18 < aestetix> That was a burning man defense
13:18 < aestetix> IE if some drama happens in your camp
13:19 <@Dagmar> hat?
13:19 <@Dagmar> er what?
13:20 < aestetix> No.
13:20 < aestetix> The ramble he gave. It was an appeal to emotion.
13:20 < aestetix> And the whole "it's not about me, it's about community"
13:20 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah
13:20 <@Dagmar> "We didn’t have enough money that needed to be done there, and there was nobody helping us in the ways that we needed."
13:20 < aestetix> That shit works on burners for a lot of things
13:20 <@Dagmar> That's a load of bollocks.  "It turned out to be really expensive to make this shithole safe, so we decided to skip the safety."
13:23 < aestetix> oh man
13:23 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61vB1f1cZWA
13:23 < PigBot> Title: Oakland Fire | Warehouse Founder Interview - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zwxjkht
13:27 < aestetix> The music in the background of that one makes it all the more special
13:43 < aestetix> Wow everything i read about this guy is bad
14:29 <@Dagmar> I highly doubt the guy got into this situation through just _one_ moral failing
15:08  * dasunt may need a new career.
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17:19 <@rattle> Art based solutions to art based problems?  Recruit the steampunkers to make some fucking sprinklers.
17:20 <@Dagmar> Apparently it was more important that everyone have their gender pronouns respected.
19:32 <@Dagmar> ...although I do think having the steampunk crew do the sprinklers would be a great idea, I'm not sure the fire marshal would appreciate their decorative nature
19:32 <@Dagmar> "IT LOOKS WEIRD.  THIS ISN'T CODE."
22:50 <@Dagmar> For your enjoyment...
22:50 <@Dagmar> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2739178&page=2#post69967090
22:50 < PigBot> Title: [MOD] GPS Fix....Faster Location fix. - Pg. 2 | Sprint Samsung Galaxy S 5 (at forum.xda-developers.com) http://tinyurl.com/h9o7qjy
22:50 <@Dagmar> See also, #shotsfired, #bogons, and #IseeStupidPeople
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