--- Log opened Mon Dec 05 00:00:21 2016 00:24 -!- operat0r[m] [operat0rma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-varvpcspqtslvmmc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:40 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:40 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 02:05 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 03:36 -!- operat0r[m] [operat0rma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-siqbthibkoowsxri] has joined #se2600 05:31 < operat0r[m]> xray: url? 05:44 -!- xray [~xray@boppity.cc.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600 06:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:30 < xray> Mornin 06:30 < xray> Ran NetKotH at the atl2600 meeting last Friday. Had a good turnout. 06:31 < _NSAKEY> xray: How many players? 06:46 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:58 -!- sicsscam [~sicsscam@24.154.70.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:58 -!- scam [~sicsscam@24.154.70.234] has joined #se2600 07:00 < xray> About 12 07:05 -!- scam is now known as sicsscam 07:11 < _NSAKEY> What was the infrastructure like? 07:38 < xray> Laptop with challenges in vms. WiFi AP/switch. 3 laptops with Kali preinstalled for people without laptop/tools. Many people brought their own laptop with favorite tools installed. 07:51 <@Dagmar> No, you don't. 07:52 <@Dagmar> @#$@ wrong channel 08:06 < aestetix> Dagmar: yes I do 08:06 <@Dagmar> how'd you like that warehouse fire? 08:07 < aestetix> As far as I know, nobody I know was killed. 08:07 < aestetix> However, as you well know, you generally don't know the legal names of ravers you party with 08:08 <@Dagmar> A real shame they couldn't spend enough time on fire safety, but at lease everyone's personal choice of gender pronouns was respected 08:08 < aestetix> haha 08:08 <@Dagmar> Whoevers names were on the lease are going to be in deep shit in a few days 08:09 < aestetix> already are 08:09 < aestetix> http://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2016/12/04/officials-search-20-percent-of-oaklands-ghost-ship-warehouse-discover-24-fire-victims 08:09 < PigBot> Title: Officials Continue to Search Oakland's Ghost Ship Warehouse, 33 Fire Victims So Far, Including A 17 Year Old | East Bay Express (at www.eastbayexpress.com) http://tinyurl.com/j9cre3j 08:09 < aestetix> " Mayor Libby Schaaf hinted that the Alameda County District Attorney would be opening a criminal investigation." 08:09 <@Dagmar> I mean _arrested_ 08:09 < aestetix> "criminal investigation" is basically a codeword for arrest 08:10 < aestetix> what's interesting is that I've read a lot about some makeshift staircase that was the only way to the second floor (where the party room was) 08:10 < aestetix> but I have not seen a single photo of it 08:10 < aestetix> Just that it was build out of shipping palattes 08:11 < aestetix> er palette, however you spell it 08:11 < aestetix> those things that safety videos specifically say not to stand on 08:11 <@Dagmar> The practice of it being made a policy to _hide_ belongings when inspectors came over is going to get more than just the people who signed the lease in some shit 08:11 < aestetix> oh I didn't see that 08:11 < aestetix> oh boy 08:14 <@Dagmar> 33 people _burned to death_ 08:14 < aestetix> so far 08:14 < aestetix> did you also see they have only searched 20% of the venue 08:14 <@Dagmar> It's going to take more than just a couple of patsies to suck up responsibility for that 08:15 < aestetix> I think they were saying the count might be over 40 08:15 <@Dagmar> It's probably about time someone got their ass nailed to the wall there tho 08:15 <@Dagmar> Oakland was having parties in deathtrap warehouses back in 2000 08:16 < aestetix> oh yeah, I've been to many 08:16 <@Dagmar> They've made a tradition of that stupidity and it's time to pay the piper 08:16 < aestetix> I *might* have been to this one, I don't know 08:16 <@Dagmar> Betcha there were more than 70 people at the "small party" they're willing to admit to as well 08:17 < aestetix> Well it's looking more and more like the station fire 08:17 <@Dagmar> The second batch of people to land in a cell will probably be the idiots still trying to downplay what they were doing in that warehouse 08:17 <@Dagmar> Interfering in a federal investigation can carry a hefty sentence all by itself 08:18 <@Dagmar> Be glad you are a continent away from those numbnutses right now 08:19 < aestetix> continent and an ocean 08:19 < aestetix> but yeah 08:19 < aestetix> the thing is 08:20 < aestetix> there are many many warehouses like that in oakland 08:20 < aestetix> And there used to be in san francisco 08:22 < aestetix> So the thing that's going to make this complicated 08:22 < aestetix> for oakland 08:22 < aestetix> Is that that warehouse is in Noel Gallo's district 08:22 < aestetix> he is by far the most republican/conservative councilmember in Oakland 08:23 < aestetix> IE he was the guy who was most pushing the surveillance center we fought 08:24 < aestetix> this will give him so much ammo for more police/investiggations/surveillance/etc 08:27 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/04/us/warehouse-party-fire-oakland-search.html 08:27 < aestetix> delightful 08:27 < PigBot> "Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 303: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.\nThe last 30x error message was:\nSee Other. http://tinyurl.com/hzj59cn" 08:30 < aestetix> Dagmar: other thing worth noting: 70 people at the party does not include others who were living there 08:32 <@rattle> It's a tragedy. I love those places. Amazing little autonomous zones.. 08:32 < aestetix> rattle: the worst part is how folks keep trying to inject their nonsense agendas into it 08:32 <@rattle> However, there is something to be said about complete irresponsibility in regards to fire safety and whatnot.. 08:32 < aestetix> well no, the worst part is that people died 08:32 <@rattle> Like, every one of those places I've ever been in was a death trap waiting to happen. 08:32 < aestetix> yep 08:32 <@rattle> Like, without exception. 08:33 <@Dagmar> Oakland took things a fair bit further 08:33 < aestetix> based on that ny times article, they're going to crucify the owner 08:33 <@Dagmar> One of ths sites I went to was a warehouse divided in two 08:33 <@Dagmar> There was a fucking _hole_ in the brick wall you had to climb through to get to the other half 08:34 <@Dagmar> Like, someone had knocked a hole in the wall with a sledge 08:34 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 08:34 < aestetix> Also, the drought probably made all this way easier. 08:34 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 08:34 < aestetix> If Oakland had had steady rainfall for the past few years, I doubt it would have been nearly as bad 08:36 <@rattle> Or, if the damn places just had sprinklers and exit paths up to code (or at least the spirit of the code). 08:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah it would have been much better if the warehouse had been kept moist 08:36 < aestetix> rattle: agreed 08:37 <@rattle> It was a bad weekend for fires.. Did you see what happened in Cambridge? 08:37 < aestetix> rattle: however, keep in mind how fucking ridiculous the codes in the bay area are 08:37 < aestetix> Half the reason nobody bothers with them is because they are insane 08:37 <@rattle> MASSIVE fire. Like, 10 alarm. 8 buildings destroyed. 12 damaged. 08:37 <@rattle> No deaths. 08:37 <@rattle> No injuries. 08:37 < aestetix> that's good 08:37 <@rattle> Sadly, 60 people lost their homes.. But in all, sort of a success story. 08:38 < aestetix> well I mean 08:38 < aestetix> you can rebuild homes 08:38 <@rattle> Exactly. 08:38 < aestetix> Just ask Germany ;) 08:38 <@rattle> Search out the video footage.. It's was f'n crazy. 08:38 <@Dolemite> Gatlinburg is up to over 1,700 structures damaged or destroyed. 08:38 < aestetix> rattle: speaking of fires, did Trump really manage to start an international disaster before he even takes oath? 08:38 <@rattle> Accidents happen. Fires will always happen. But if the proper preparation is happening, it's just property damage.. 08:38 < aestetix> With a single phone call, no less. 08:38 <@rattle> Yep. 08:39 <@rattle> Trump really screwed the pooch with this Taiwan shit. 08:39 < aestetix> And promptly lost all the new capital he'd gained from the Carrier thing 08:39 <@rattle> I cannot see any reason that was necessary. 08:39 <@rattle> I don't think he gained any capital with the Carrier thing other than with people who already liked him. 08:40 <@rattle> At the end of the day, 1000+ US jobs were lost and a corp got tax breaks. I'm not sure how that's a win. 08:40 < aestetix> were lost? 08:40 < aestetix> I thought the jobs are staying in the uS 08:40 <@rattle> Yeah, they are still downsizing operations. Just not as much. 08:40 <@rattle> And they got tax breaks in the process. 08:44 < aestetix> rattle: what was the term you used? for the collapse we're starting to see? 08:44 < aestetix> the fourth movement or something 08:44 <@rattle> The Fourth Turning. 08:45 <@rattle> The reference is to this: https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Fourth_Turning.html?id=TtF3AAAAMAAJ&hl=en 08:45 < PigBot> Title: The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy - William Strauss - Google Books (at books.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5eqslm 08:46 < aestetix> It's seeming more and more accurate 08:46 <@rattle> Right? 08:48 <@rattle> I thought Strauss-Howe generational theory was interesting observation, but not something I took all that seriously as predictive. Although, suddenly, that shoe really fits. Welcome to the period of crisis. 08:48 < aestetix> I don't think we are at crisis yet 08:48 < aestetix> Definitely unraveling 08:50 <@Dagmar> I think none of those match what's going on at the moment 08:51 <@Dagmar> Largely the media conglomerates are *ruthlessly* leveraging their near-monopoly on mass-communication in order to keep most of America in the dark and divided against one another 08:51 < aestetix> Only in the US though 08:51 < aestetix> The mainstream media does not really exist in Germany 08:51 <@Dagmar> Gemany ain't my problem 08:51 < aestetix> hah 08:57 <@Dagmar> Metro needs to get out and start hunting assholes on the interstates in the morning 08:58 <@Dagmar> I'm getting sick of this weekly nonsense with having assholes try to force me out of my lane 08:58 <@Dagmar> My car doesn't have much of a front end at all, but some bitch nearly took it off this morning just the same 08:58 <@Dagmar> It might be time to order some after-market air horns for the car 08:59 <@opticron> https://wolo-mfg.com/horns/marine-horns/stainless-steel.html 08:59 < PigBot> Title: Stainless Steel (at wolo-mfg.com) http://tinyurl.com/zg5tb2m 08:59 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: what were you doing out so early? 09:00 <@Dagmar> It would probably help a great deal if Metro would get out there and start citing the douchebags who are driving ultra-aggressively 09:00 <@Dagmar> evilgpi: Taking the boy to school 09:00 <@opticron> benefit of those is you don't have to add a compressor, just make sure the horn relay can handle them or add a secondary relay 09:00 <@opticron> and stainless so they don't melt into a puddle of rust in the south 09:07 <@rattle> The boy? People trust you around children? 09:08 <@rattle> wtf. We're clearly at a point of crisis is Dagmar is taking care of children! 09:08 < aestetix> wait Dagmar has a boy? 09:23 < aestetix> I still can't find any photos of this staircase 09:24 < aestetix> which tells me that I'm seeing photos of it but it's just that shitty 09:31 < aestetix> jesus 09:31 < aestetix> One of the probably dead was a producer at KQED 09:32 < aestetix> and the total death count is now 36 09:36 <@Dagmar> rattle: Audra's 15-year-old. ...who might actually survive to be 18 if he stops copping an attitude about even the simplest of chores 09:42 <@Dagmar> He tries some of the _dumbest_ lies... like "I made my bed a few days last week" 09:43 <@Dagmar> Not realizing that I'm exactly the kind of asshole who takes a photo of his room each morning after he's away at school, just so the evidence is inarguable. 09:44 <@rattle> Oh, this is rich! 09:45 < aestetix> s/asshole/stalker/ 09:49 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@section9.vaneckzero.com] has left #se2600 [] 09:51 < aestetix> so far nobody I know is dead 09:51 < aestetix> I hope it stays that way 09:54 <@Dagmar> opticron: Considering ther'es an HF just up the street I was thinking something more like http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-12-volt-electric-horn-set-99911.html that will actually fit 09:54 < PigBot> Title: 2 Piece 12 Volt Electric Horn Set (at www.harborfreight.com) http://tinyurl.com/qec2zxy 09:54 <@Dagmar> Perhaps 3-4 of them. 10:04 < xray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLfD1AFsb1I 10:04 < PigBot> Title: Train-horn on a small electric car - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/l5onkto 10:05 < xray> https://www.hornblasters.com/ 10:05 < PigBot> Title: Train Horns & Train Horn Kits: Loudest Horns Available (at www.hornblasters.com) http://tinyurl.com/jawvod6 10:13 <@Dagmar> Well, you'll probably want an Activity. 10:32 <@Dagmar> xray: Also I'd like to spend less on a horn than I would on a new set of tires 11:00 < dasunt> xray: BRB, rigging one of those up for my bicycle. 11:01 < dasunt> I actually knew someone who rigged up a truck horn on their bicycle - complete with a compressed air tank. 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