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06:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:17 < xray> and a mighty fine mornin it is too.
06:17 <@Dolemite> No.  No, it is not.
06:17 <@Dolemite> Gatlinburg is burning. :(
06:18 < xray> seriously?
06:18 <@Dolemite> Yes
06:18 < xray> Wow, it is.
06:19 < xray> They ordered a mandatory evacuation of Gatlinburg downtown.
06:19 <@Dolemite> Parts of Pigeon Forge are also under mandatory evacuation
06:19 <@Dolemite> Everything except for about 1 block on either side of Parkway
06:19 < xray> I'm hoping the rain we got has slowed down our fires.
06:21 <@Dolemite> I'm waiting to see what they say this morning on the news.  I'm about 20 miles from there as the crow flies and I got a slow soak overnight.  Not enough to put out fires, but maybe enough to slow the spread.
06:23 <@Dolemite> http://www.wbir.com/news/local/gatlinburg-neighborhood-voluntarily-evacuating-due-to-fire/357115866
06:23 < PigBot> Title: Wildfires forcing evacuations in Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge | WBIR.com (at www.wbir.com) http://tinyurl.com/zlmuj7z
06:24 <@Dolemite> That has some updates from this morning as well as some sad video
06:25 < xray> It looks really bad.
06:27 <@Dolemite> The Arrowmont School of Arts and Crafts is completely burned down
06:30 <@Dolemite> There are a lot of cabins gone.  I'm wondering just how many hotels are going to be gone as well.
06:30 < xray> Dollywood evacuated people staying there.
06:30 <@Dolemite> yeah, mostly as a precaution
06:31 <@Dolemite> Friend of mine is the ops manager at the Eagle Foundation that Dollywood owns.  They evacuated the birds to their house last night.
06:31 < xray> They showed a picture from Dollywood and you could see the fire getting closer.
06:31 < xray> Very sad.
06:32 <@Dolemite> Well those were the cabins behind Dollywood.  News this morning said that it hasn't hit Dollywood itself.
06:32 < xray> They didn't mention that the smoke is a serious hazard as well.
06:32 <@Dolemite> That's why most of the evacuations were called for - due to air quality
06:33 <@Dolemite> That's why Cash shut down GSMNP yesterday
06:34  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:40 < aestetix> Man this is interesting
06:40 < aestetix> Chatting about some topic with German friends and you suddenly hit a wall because they grew up in the GDR and the thing was not present for them
06:41 <@Dolemite> So let me get your opinions on something...
06:42 <@Dolemite> There seem to be more and more of these "teach your kids to code" kits coming out.  Outrageously priced.  But the thing that gets me is that they are basically all oriented at one thing...
06:42 <@Dolemite> Having the kid simply give directions to a bot.  Sure, there are infinite possibilities in terms of what direction combinations you can do.
06:42 <@Dolemite> But is that really teaching them to code?
06:42 < aestetix> To a bot?
06:42 <@Dolemite> I think it's not.
06:42 < aestetix> What do you mean
06:43 <@Dolemite> Just because you're working with a robot, it doesn't mean you're really coding with it.
06:43 <@Dolemite> It's one thing to give a robot instructions of where to go
06:43 < aestetix> You mean like LOGO?
06:43 <@Dolemite> It's another to write the code that tells the robot how to follow directions
06:44 <@Dolemite> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1509453982/root-a-robot-to-teach-coding?ref=18fr0b&utm_source=jellop&utm_medium=facebook&utm_term=7.jellopcrowdfunding.com&utm_campaign=VD&utm_content=Root-VD2
06:44 < PigBot> Title: Root - A robot to teach coding by Scansorial Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) http://tinyurl.com/jlbycrx
06:44 <@Dolemite> Here's an example
06:44 < aestetix> I wonder if you can program Duff's Device into that bot
06:46 < aestetix> that whole video is too sanitized.
06:46 < aestetix> it feels like the kids section at the Apple Store
06:46 <@Dolemite> These kinds of things are dime a dozen
06:47 <@Dolemite> The worst is some little $50 robots that follow lines you draw on paper
06:47 <@Dolemite> you can get them to change direction or spin around by putting patterns on the line
06:47 < aestetix> So it's basically LOGO
06:48 <@Dolemite> Yep
06:48 <@Dolemite> real time interactive logo
06:48 <@Dolemite> But that's not coding
06:48 <@Dolemite> I don't disagree that there's some value in teaching it, but it's misleading to call it coding
06:49 < aestetix> I would say that it uses some aspects of coding, but it's not the whole spectrum
06:49 < aestetix> IE does it support data types?
06:50 < xray> We have a summer camp at GT that teaches kids to program using https://scratch.mit.edu/
06:50 < PigBot> Title: Scratch - Imagine, Program, Share (at scratch.mit.edu) http://tinyurl.com/ncfazeq
06:50 < xray> They create games and also learn to program robots.
06:50 < aestetix> xray: no penis artwork?
06:51 < xray> The goal is to give them something that captures their attention and to complete it they have to learn about conditional loops and variables.
06:51 < xray> I don't teach the classes but they are one floor up from my office.
06:52 < aestetix> So you could help them create penis artwork
06:52 < xray> It is fun to go up there and see what the kids have built.
06:52 <@Dolemite> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150797345099963&set=pcb.10150797349294963&type=3&theater
06:52 < PigBot> Title: Photos from Bruce McCamishs post (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/hkfdcga
06:52 < xray> Wow you really have a one track mind.
06:52 <@Dolemite> That's the main drag called Parkway going horizontally across the frame
06:53 < aestetix> Dolemite: I think one issue I have with those programs/robots is that it is very, very limited.
06:53 <@Dolemite> That and you don't need to kickstart some $175 project to do this for your kids
06:53 < aestetix> Well that's called fashion
06:54 < aestetix> This reminds me of an invitation to a costume party I got a few years ago in the Bay Area
06:54 < _NSAKEY> xray: It's aestetix. He does this.
06:54 <@Dolemite> Don't sink money into a limited platform.  Take a course in something you can run on your laptop.
06:54 < aestetix> The party was about dressing up in all sorts of different times and customs and so on.... French royalty, etc
06:54 < aestetix> They included a note "do not wear anything racist"
06:55 < aestetix> Now, it seems odd to me that they would include that note. If they had a friend who would wear something racist, why would they invite them?
06:55 < aestetix> And then I realized that it's just fashionable virtue signalling
06:55 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: How long after the fact did it take you to realize that?
06:55 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: right after I said "why the fuck did they include this in the invitation"
06:56 < aestetix> So the whole teaching kids to code is also fashionable virtue signalling
06:56 < aestetix> The video even starts with a pretty young suburban white girl using the robot
07:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: So it wasn't one of those things you started realizing about that aspect of American culture until after you went to Berlin.
07:08 < aestetix> no
07:09 < aestetix> But it is one of the reasons I left the bay area!
07:10 < aestetix> I went to a vegan place for lunch the other day
07:10 < aestetix> It was overpriced, and I felt like I was in the cafe of an Apple Store
07:10 < aestetix> in short, it felt like I was in the bay area
07:10 < aestetix> Their menu was a bunch of disgusting crap, and then salad
07:11 < aestetix> The worst part was it was right next to a hamburger restaurant. :/
07:13 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: That reminds me, did you see this? http://www.unex-t.com/applestore/index.html
07:13 < PigBot> Title: Apple Store - Kuwait (at www.unex-t.com) http://tinyurl.com/q2nfl6v
07:21 < aestetix> no
07:22 <@Dagmar> More fireporn http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/tema-parts-of-gatlinburg-destroyed-hundreds-of-structures-gone
07:22 < PigBot> Title: TEMA: Parts Of Gatlinburg ‘Destroyed, Hundreds Of Structures Gone - Story (at www.newschannel5.com) http://tinyurl.com/zszwwjk
07:23 < aestetix> oh boy
07:23 < aestetix> Trump just came out saying flag burning should be illegal
07:23 < aestetix> This is like if Skydog had become president
07:25 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: He was actually at PhreakNIC this year.
07:25 < _NSAKEY> No drama ensued, to my knowledge.
07:33 < xray> Hopefully the hatchet will get buried and not in someones forehead.
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10:22 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: I saw that west gate bear falls burnt down :( We were just there 2 months ago. We have stayed there just about everytime we go to gatlinburg since that Geeknic
10:32 <@oddball> I wasn't sure if that was one of the ones on the list, but thought it was.  That really sucks.
10:32 <@oddball> And apparently the skylift building has also been hit.
10:37 <@oddball> and then there's this asshole: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CybsnAbUkAA2WJU.jpg:large
10:51 < TheDukh> ^  Fuck that guy.
11:02 <@Dolemite> Parts of the Westgate Smoky Mountains Resort burned.  It looks like the sales center and the water park are all that remain.
11:02 <@Dolemite> A few of the hotel style buildings are also intact
11:02 <@Dolemite> But just about every one of the cabins are gone
11:03 <@Dolemite> TV news shows pictures of cars on the side of the road, burned to ash
11:04 <@Dolemite> It looks like a war zone
11:06 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: We had Mr. 11's birthday party there two weeks ago
11:11 <@benthemeek> I am trying to not go refresh the page too often but really wonder what all is left of the everything else.
11:12 <@Dolemite> Parkway along Gatlinburg is mostly ok
11:12 <@Dolemite> The hills on both sides - gone
11:12 <@Dolemite> The Greystone Inn, where I think oddball liked to stay some times, was on fire last night - haven't heard how much damage
11:12 <@Dolemite> Aquarium is ok
11:13 <@benthemeek> They letting people back there?
11:13 <@benthemeek> The rain stop it from going any further?
11:13 <@Dolemite> I also heard at least one building in the River Terrace (where we have Geeknic) had fire last night
11:13 <@benthemeek> We got alot of rain here last night
11:13 <@Dolemite> The rain helped, but there are still fires
11:13 <@Dolemite> Some areas are still closed off
11:14 <@Dolemite> The insurance costs for this one are going to make some of these floods seem tiny
11:15 <@benthemeek> I cant imagine
11:15 <@benthemeek> I wonder if elkton made it
11:16 <@Dolemite> The town will rebuild, but unfortunately it will most likely shift more of the ownership towards outside investors - the locals who depend on the tourism are barely paid more than minimum wage, so they will have little buffer to ride it out.
11:16 <@benthemeek> elkmont rathre
11:17 <@Dolemite> The Mysterious Mansion has been destroyed
11:17 <@Dolemite> That was a haunted house about 2 blocks up from the River Terrace
11:18 <@benthemeek> I have never visited but usually park directly across from it when we visit the strip
11:18 <@Dolemite> Westgate, though.  Damn.
11:20 <@benthemeek> Yeah, we were planning a trip possbily in febuary for weekend. It will be weird with it gone
11:20 <@benthemeek> Well hopefully rebuilt in a year or two
11:25 <@Dolemite> GSMNP is by far the most visited national park in the country.  They will have things cleaned up and a good bit of things rebuilt by Spring.
11:28 <@Dolemite> Just got Federal disaster relief funds approved for the area from FEMA
11:28 <@Dolemite> Damn.  The main lodge at Westgate is nothing but steel beams.
11:29 <@benthemeek> You watching local news?
11:29 <@Dolemite> yeah, wate.com has a live feed
12:57 < TheDukh> Holy shit.  Skyview is wiped out
13:04 < aestetix> on episode 13 of the apprentice
13:04 < aestetix> these candidates are real gems
13:41 <@rattle> It's a damn shame what's happened in Gatlinburg.
14:24 < aestetix> barrett brown just got released
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15:37 <@Dagmar> Hmm... Build a bunch of shit in the mountainous woods...
15:37 <@Dagmar> Never heard of forest fires before apparently
15:39 <@rattle> aestetix: What do you think the odds are that he was stoned and drunk off his gord within an hour of being out of prison?
15:46 <@Dagmar> rattle: Hopefully he didn't rush into that considering he was a recovering needle monkey
17:47 < TheDukh> apparently Trump wants to either revoke citizenship or 1 year in jail for all those folks who desecrate the flag
17:53 < _NSAKEY> http://1amstudios.com/2016/11/27/c64-slack-client/
17:53 < PigBot> Title: Slack client for Commodore 64 (at 1amstudios.com) http://tinyurl.com/hopsgeb
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22:10 <@rattle> Trump set everyone up to banter about flag burning to misdirect discussion about Russian influence in the election. Sort of an information warfare master stroke.
22:10 <@rattle> It's an issue that will go nowhere, but it's emotional.
22:11 < _NSAKEY> rattle: I saw an alternate theory to that. Essentially, he tweeted that around the same time Fox News was doing a segment about it, so he could have just been reacting to that.
22:11 < _NSAKEY> Either way, the end result is the same.
22:13 <@rattle> He does diversion and misdirection by reflex.  He seems to do it when he doesn't even have a good reason.  That's his style.  It's clear at this point.
22:14 <@rattle> These days, he's got a reason to do it every day before he even knows it.  It seems as if it's a part of his morning routine.
22:16 < _NSAKEY> That's a fair point. I expect he's going to have a better than 50/50 shot at having a reason to misdirect on any given day.
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