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01:37 < aestetix> personally, I think Clinton joining the recount effort is a really stupid move
03:05 < aestetix> rattle: why do you think she's doing it?
05:55 <@rattle> A lot of people want to see some forensics performed on some of the digital voting machines.  There's no way to make that happen without invoking the recount process.
05:55 < aestetix> rattle: why now? Why have all the efforts to analyze systems like Diebold been dismissed before?
05:56 <@rattle> Because people are dumb.  You know this.
05:56 <@rattle> The recount should be a fart in the night that no one pays attention to, unless it turns out something happened.
05:57 <@rattle> Stein is making a big deal of it.  The Clinton camp is silently supporting.
05:58 < aestetix> rattle: silently by being on all the front pages of NY Times and CNN?
05:58 < aestetix> I mean I am in favor of banning all these voting machines and forcing paper ballots, tbqh
05:59 <@rattle> Media is going to what they are going to do.  It's not like Clinton is out giving speeches about it or anything.
05:59 <@rattle> I think it really just comes down to wanting to investigate some areas where election manipulation potentially happened.
06:00 < aestetix> God.
06:00 < aestetix> Now that I've been in Europe, I'm staggered by how bad the media in the US is
06:00 <@rattle> At this point, with Trump claiming that he lost the popular vote because of voter manipulation..  It would be irresponsible not to investigate anywhere there are concerns.
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06:13 <@Dagmar> How is this different from every election Bush "won"
06:14 <@Dagmar> They're hoping people will forget _why_ we have the electoral college in the first place
06:15 <@Dagmar> This is _exactly_ the shit sandwich they've been working tirelessly for decades to build
06:16 <@Dagmar> The Clinton camp is just pissed that they have to eat it, too
06:32 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:29 < aestetix> Dagmar: basically.
07:30 < aestetix> I fucking hate Trump and don't think he was ever a legitimate candidate, but I accept he won the election.
07:39 < aestetix> ok see here is my problem with American media
07:39 < aestetix> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/26/politics/clinton-campaign-recount/index.html
07:39 < PigBot> Title: Clinton to join recount that Trump calls 'scam' - CNNPolitics.com (at edition.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/jyuqmra
07:39 < aestetix> "But, in a post on Medium, Marc Elias, the campaign's counsel, said the campaign's own investigation has not uncovered any evidence of hacking of voting systems."
07:39 < aestetix> but they don't bother to actually link to the post
07:40 <@Dagmar> Of course not
07:40 < aestetix> so now I have to go search for it
07:40 < aestetix> how fucking hard is it to cite your sources like an actual journalist?
07:41 < aestetix> It's not like they are quoting someone or citing something off the record
07:41 < aestetix> there is an actual article somewhere in the interweb they found, but they can't be bothered to share it
07:43 < aestetix> https://medium.com/@marceelias/listening-and-responding-to-calls-for-an-audit-and-recount-2a904717ea39
07:43 < PigBot> Title: Listening and Responding To Calls for an Audit and Recount – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/hchvedv
07:43 < aestetix> I assume this is the piece
08:40 < aestetix> rattle: I cannot help but to think that if Hillary had won, and Trump was joining recount efforts, the liberal media would be hammering him
08:41 <@rattle> The plan, and there was a plan, was to just let the recount work it's course and continue with the transition work.  The same should apply here.
08:42 < aestetix> My criticism here is not as much with Hillary as it is with the media.
08:42 <@rattle> And who cares what the media does.
08:43 < aestetix> Oh interesting. The NY Times has shifted from calling Bannon racist, to calling him a populist
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16:03 < _NSAKEY> https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-reviewers-skewer-trumps-fancy-christmas-ornament-143322831.html
16:03 < PigBot> Title: Amazon reviewers skewer Trump’s fancy Christmas ornament (at www.yahoo.com) http://tinyurl.com/h5wbybq
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