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05:56 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/5e21lb/tifu_by_trying_to_ejaculate_and_defecate_at_the/
05:56 < PigBot> Title: reddit.com: over 18? (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/zyxtmot
06:03 < aestetix> on a more serious note
06:03 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/5e00mi/my_dad_got_fired_after_22_years_at_a_company_hes/
06:03 < aestetix> this is fucking terrible
06:04 < PigBot> Title: My dad got fired after 22 years at a company. He´s pretty shell shocked and we need advice : personalfinance (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/gvnmsq9
06:04 < aestetix> And I bet that guy is a Trump supporter.
06:18 <@rattle> Nothing unexpected here, but interesting experiment:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/17/this-researcher-programmed-bots-to-fight-racism-on-twitter-it-worked/
06:18 < PigBot> Title: This researcher programmed bots to fight racism on Twitter. It worked. - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/gspf24y
06:56 < dfused> Symantec buying Lifelock ..thats funny
06:57 < aestetix> what is lifelock?
06:57 < dfused> a paid service to protect identity theft
06:58 < aestetix> does it work?
06:58 < dfused> -shrug-   I never used it
06:59 <@opticron> aestetix, well...the owner was convinced that it did, so he published his SSN
06:59 <@opticron> iirc, it didn't go well for him
06:59 < aestetix> that seems like a bad idea
07:00 < aestetix> I wonder how soon after that all his utilities were cancelled
07:13 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: He put his SSN on billboards.
07:14 < aestetix> haha
07:15 < _NSAKEY> This was probably around the time the birthers were selling bumper stickers with Obama's SSN.
07:39 < aestetix> wow I just watched the SNL sketch of election night
07:39 < aestetix> where the white kids are all like "omg"
08:16 <@rattle> Lifelock does a decent job.  Their investigative unit is quite capable.
08:17 < aestetix> so rattle when are you going to run for office?
08:17 <@rattle> I dunno.  Trump might have opened the door for me!
08:18 < aestetix> You certainly couldn't be worse than him
08:19 <@rattle> Wow.  That's a bit of a mindfuck.  I think you're right.
08:19 <@rattle> I don't think by any stretch of the imagination I could do a better job than Obama..  But I think I could best Trump.
08:21 < aestetix> I think Obama is a pussy..... but I probably would be too.
08:23 < dfused> make America rattle again ?
08:23 < _NSAKEY> I sense a new PhreakNIC slogan. We still have the rattle stand-up...
08:25 <@rattle> Rattle 2020, clear vision, to make America suck less.
08:25 < aestetix> Step 1: ban all social justice warriors from entering the US
08:25 <@rattle> Rattle 2020: He's white, but not that sorta white.
08:25 <@Evilpig> Rattle 2020, I got your nose.
08:26 < dfused> ban all hipsters
08:26 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Step 2: Build a wall infused with Pepe meme magic, and pay for it by seizing the assets of the outgoing SJWs.
08:26 <@rattle> No no no.  We don't need to ban the hipsters.  We just need to round them up into camps.  In the desert.  They like that sorta thing and do it all the time as is..
08:27 < dfused> hrm... with some sort of large burning man looking stacks of wood
08:28 < dfused> oh and we can harness additional power from static generated by their angst and friction of tight jeans
08:35 < aestetix> hmm
08:35 < dfused> what I find funny in a sad sort of way is that McAfee got shot down from libertarian ticket cause he's too caustic/offensive etc etc......aaaaaaaand we get Trump.
08:35 < dfused> at least McAfee would have been fun
08:36 < aestetix> Actually, the easiest way to get rid of SJWs is to create a bunch of ism bots that target their twitter and tumblrs
08:36 < aestetix> They will spend so much time clicking block and writing outrage blog entries that they will all get carpal tunnel
08:36 < aestetix> and not be able to use the internet anymore
09:09 < aestetix> interesting move by the pope
09:10 < xray> link?
09:11 < aestetix> cnn.com
09:11 < xray> thanks
09:12 < xray> Yes that is interesting but understandable.
09:12 < aestetix> I don't even want to think about what twitter/ and tumblr look like
09:12 < xray> NetKotH now has a web site
09:12 < xray> https://netkoth.github.io/
09:12 < PigBot> Title: NetKotH (Network King of the Hill) (at netkoth.github.io) http://tinyurl.com/h87why9
09:12 < _NSAKEY> xray: I still need to make and submit a PR.
09:13 < aestetix> how was phreaknic btw?
09:13 < xray> I didn't make it this year
09:13 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I didn't go to any of the talks because I was lording over the gaming room, but it went well.
09:14 < _NSAKEY> I'd say it was about 95% as well-organized as PN19, but I feel like we still put on a good con.
09:14 < xray> _NSAKEY: I was talking to my much better half about going next year. If that works out I'll be able to help out.
09:15 < xray> Brimstone and I ran NetKotH at the DC404 meeting and it went really well.
09:15 < _NSAKEY> xray: Awesome. I was conscripting volunteers I've never talked to into make sure stuff didn't walk off, which I wasn't completely comfortable with.
09:15 < xray> Brimstone is considering running it at the ATL2600 meeting as well.
09:16 < _NSAKEY> Ben and I talked about possibly taking a vastly cut-down version to similar events.
09:16 < xray> I borrowed Ben's idea of having laptops with Kali preinstalled so people could try it.
09:16 < _NSAKEY> What we've built up is kind of overkill.
09:16 < _NSAKEY> xray: That's one of the corrections I need to make. Kali was netbooted, not installed.
09:17 < xray> The one at dc404 was a laptop with two challenges, a wireless router, a wired router (both cheap home types) and three laptops.
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09:17 < xray> We used the TVs at Manuel's to show the scoreboard.
09:18 < xray> At ATL2600 we'll just use the NetKotH laptop screen for the scoreboard. Besides anyone on the NetKotH network can pull up the score board.
09:19 < _NSAKEY> That was one thing I didn't want to do this year. A projector for a scoreboard that all the players can see anyway just seemed like a waste of a projector to me.
09:19 < xray> Brimstone is looking into a bootable hard drive image that will host NetKotH.
09:20 < xray> At an event like PhreakNic the projector scoreboard is for the audience and it acts as advertising to joun the fun.
09:20 < _NSAKEY> If I had used a projector, I likely couldn't had had this: https://twitter.com/_NSAKEY/status/794390034958815232
09:20 < PigBot> Title: _NSAKEY on Twitter: "#PhreakNIC battlestation status: Complete. https://t.co/i9rHHpOSCO" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zofucpv
09:20 < xray> It worked at the DC404 meeting. As soon as someone scored more people started joining in.
09:21 < xray> A bit space constrained.
09:21 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, it was just a little claustrophobia-inducing back there.
09:22 < _NSAKEY> I usually had 2-5 people I knew standing around my only way in and out, too.
09:22 < xray> Did they have a main presentation room?
09:22 < _NSAKEY> I think Elonka and Ben tried to talk me out of that banner by bringing up the idea of a projector, but I feld firm.
09:22 < _NSAKEY> There were two track rooms.
09:23 < xray> You could connect to netkoth wirelessly and project in the other meeting rooms.
09:23 < xray> Raises the ongoing excitement level.
09:24 < _NSAKEY> I'll probably buy some dirt cheap projector next year, and after giving myself more space, position things so I can project the scores AND keep the banner.
09:24 < xray> You could include the PhreakNic banner in the projected image.
09:24 < _NSAKEY> I don't want to have to keep walking in front of what's being projected, because that would just be annoying.
09:24 < xray> I got Metasploitable3 working last night.
09:24 < _NSAKEY> So I'm thinking, put it on top of the pile of servers.
09:24 < xray> They use vagrant to build it.
09:25 < _NSAKEY> Anyone who wants to mess with the AC is going to have to get blinded.
09:25 < xray> I like that.
09:25 < xray> I prefer to keep the room cooler than wamer.
09:25 < xray> I can put on a sweatshirt.
09:26 < _NSAKEY> We had a problem with the AC this year. The main room, that room, and workshop room are divided by movable partitions.
09:26 < _NSAKEY> It got hot on the workshop side and cold on the gaming side.
09:26 < _NSAKEY> Then some numbnuts decided to mess with the AC, and a few more did.
09:26 < xray> That is a common problem for rooms with dividers.
09:26 < _NSAKEY> It's all kind of a blur at this point, but I'm pretty sure I grabbed the bat at one point when someone went to mess with the AC yet again.
09:27 < xray> DragonCon EFF track has asked me about hosting a CTF for them. NetKotH might work nicely.
09:28 < xray> I'll talk to the track director about it.
09:28 < xray> The problem is that some of the images we used are very well documented online.
09:29 < xray> While this is helpful to beginners it is a problem when you have a mixed audience.
09:30 < xray> We need a method of changing the passwords on the fly and modifying some of the challenges.
09:30 < xray> Also the scoring engine is vulnerable to XSS so I need to harden the code.
09:31 < xray> Some network sensors for the admins to detect griefers would be nice as well.
09:34 < aestetix> what's wrong with the banner?
09:34 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Ben wanted to put it in the main track room after i had already put it up.
09:34 < aestetix> oh haha
09:34 < _NSAKEY> I think the projector suggestion was just him trying to apply a soft touch to getting what he wanted after I told him I'd fight him over that banner.
09:35 < xray> You could make another banner.
09:35 < _NSAKEY> I mean, it's not a bad suggestion, but wouldn't have been compatible with having the banner up at the same time, as things were laid out.
09:40 < aestetix> ok for real CNN?
09:41 < aestetix> I think the fucking Hamilton twitter war has gotten 10x more coverage than the Trump University lawsuit
09:50 <@rattle> This is the best thing on the internet today.  https://vimeo.com/191443906
09:50 < PigBot> Title: Underwater Flatulence in 120 Fps on Vimeo (at vimeo.com) http://tinyurl.com/zgc48dk
10:03 < aestetix> sigh
10:04 < aestetix> I really need to figure out a workaround for my book buying habit
10:04 < aestetix> I used to be the master of getting cheap books on amazon used
10:04 < xray> emote pre-auth single packet DoS of ntpd (exploit included) http://dumpco.re/cve-2016-7434/
10:05 < PigBot> xray: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
10:05 < aestetix> But I have to pay like a $20 tax to import them into schengen, which defeats the whole point :/
10:06 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Let me introduce you to a little thing called ebook piracy.
10:06 < aestetix> ebooks aren't the same
10:07 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: So get a kindle or something similar. It's helped me mostly kick my book buying habit.
10:13 < _NSAKEY> xray: Made that PR I promised you.
10:14 < _NSAKEY> Or rather, I just committed straight to the repo, since I apparently have that power.
10:14 < xray> Looking now
10:14 < _NSAKEY> It's a bunch of little changes.
10:15 < xray> Excellent.
10:15 < xray> looks good
10:18 < aestetix> so rattle here is a question for you
10:18 < aestetix> And it's one I've been posing to liberals in general
10:19 < aestetix> Why can't I find any liberals who make logical sense? The intellectual liberals seem to have all died
10:19 < aestetix> Art Schlesinger, Gore Vidal, Arthur Miller, etc...
10:21 < aestetix> Robert Reich too, probably
10:21 < aestetix> ok, so I gues there is one
10:21 < aestetix> And Chomsky, I consider him a marxist, not a liberal
10:23 < aestetix> Maybe the issue is the mainsteam media, which prioritizes sensationalism over discourse...
10:30 < xray> _NSAKEY: your first two changes where committed but the last on doesn't seem to have been applied.
10:32 < _NSAKEY> It's there.
10:32 < _NSAKEY> I know because the word "netboot" is on the live index page.
10:33 < xray> Sorry I missread the changes. You changed old computers to old laptops. not the other way around.
10:34 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, and I changed "installed" to "netboot."
10:34 < xray> I checked the page again and I thought it had left some of the info out but netboot is showing and so is the change about refurbished systems.
10:34 < xray> All good.
10:35 < xray> Need more coffee apparently.
10:38 < _NSAKEY> I'm wondering how good something like this would be for pcapping everything in-game. https://www.amazon.com/Qotom-Q190G4-Celeron-Processor-Barebone/dp/B019Z8T9J0
10:38 < PigBot> Title: Amazon.com: Qotom Q190G4 Intel Celeron Processor 3215U Dual Core Processor Barebone Mini PC: Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/h4qfod8
10:39 < _NSAKEY> My 1u was nice, but I had kind of wanted the flexibility to use it year-round without feeling like I've stepped into an active volcano.
10:41 < xray> It depends on what is on the LAN. With enough 1Gb/sec hosts you could overload a span and drop packets.
10:42 < _NSAKEY> The way I set up the 1u, it was just a bump in the wire. From the network's standpoint, it didn't exist as long as it was turned on.
10:42 < xray> I read something recently about optimizing packet capture. I'll see if I can find the reference.
10:42 < _NSAKEY> I could have spanned everything out to a third interface and collected, but I just saved everything to disk as it came across the bridge interface.
10:43 < xray> I hadn't thought of that. Good idea.
10:43 < _NSAKEY> Something as old and terrible as a PE 2650 can handle full gigabit line speed just fine, and that was with using a third interface as a span port.
10:44 < _NSAKEY> Then again, I didn't use anything fancy to test. I just inlined it between the PXE box and the switch and netbooted 3 laptops at the same time.
10:44 < xray> Yeah but the PE 2650 and the celeron system are no where close in regards to horsepower. Also not all network cards are the same when it comes to packet capture.
10:45 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, the Celeron system is most likely better.
10:45 < xray> You could use a passive gig tap
10:45 < _NSAKEY> Doesn't exist.
10:45 < _NSAKEY> Plenty of companies market such a thing, but it does not, in fact, exist.
10:45 < _NSAKEY> You can do passive with 10/100, and I actually considered that.
10:45 < xray> Passive in that they don't regenerate the traffic.
10:46 < xray> I have a link to some devices but they are not cheap for the 1Gb ones.
10:46 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, none of that shit is ever cheap.
10:46 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/phreaknic/status/800730492811100160
10:46 < xray> And they fail safe so that they don't interrupt trafifc.
10:47 < xray> Most excellent.
10:48 < xray> One reason I would suggest that people don't use their day-to-day laptop for NetKotH is that they leak all kinds of data to the network such as printers and shares.
10:48 < _NSAKEY> I forget how many packets were involved, but 0 got dropped.
10:48 < xray> The Tree logo is great. Who came up with that?
10:49 < _NSAKEY> Some artist friend of Elonka's did the initial design, then Dagmar improved on it pretty heavily.
10:49 < xray> I really like it.
10:49 < _NSAKEY> I liked the logo enough to buy an extra shirt, in addition to the one I got for free.
10:57 < xray> This might work http://rileykidd.com/2016/11/21/creating-a-multiport-man-in-the-middle-network-tap/
10:57 < PigBot> Title: Creating a multiport man-in-the-middle network tap | Riley Kidd (at rileykidd.com) http://tinyurl.com/h6hmf59
11:04 < _NSAKEY> > tcpdump
11:04 < _NSAKEY> That's the first problem I see.
11:05 < _NSAKEY> dumpcap is objectively better for long-term captures and uses all the same syntax.
11:05 < xray> could use command line wireshark
11:05 < _NSAKEY> dumpcap is part of wireshark. When you install something like tshark, you get dumpcap automatically.
11:05 < xray> wasn't aware that dumpcap is better. Thanks for the tip.
11:06 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, dumpcap doesn't attempt to parse packets. That has 2 benefits: 1. You avoid exotic stuff like parsing bugs crashing the process. 2. The RAM usage remains static, whereas tcpdump's RAM usage will continue to creep up until it eats up all the RAM and throws an OOM error.
11:07 < xray> That's no small difference.
11:07 < _NSAKEY> If you know how to use one tool, you can use the other with no learning curve whatsoever. The options are all the same to my knowledge.
11:08 < xray> Very nice.
11:09 < _NSAKEY> I had settled on using FreeBSD on the pcap box because it was just something different to do, and it only required 5 config file changes across 2 files to make the bridge work. If I had used Linux, I could have gone with dumpcap, but a friend who does intrusion analyst work told me that netsniff-ng is what all the cool kids use these days.
11:11 < dfused> conformist
11:11 < _NSAKEY> dfused: How so? Because I didn't use NetBSD and an IoT toaster?
11:12 < _NSAKEY> ... Though I have to admit, a toaster with dual gigabit interfaces would be both over the top and hilarious.
11:12 < xray> No, because of this: Its gain of performance is reached by zero-copy mechanisms, so that on packet reception and transmission the kernel does not need to copy packets from kernel space to user space and vice versa.
11:13 < xray> It is one of the things you have to do to get packet capture improvements.
11:13 < xray> Like full packet capture at 10Gb/s line speeds.
11:13 < _NSAKEY> If I was going to nuke and rebuild the pcap server, I would at least look at netsniff-ng, even though this year proved that it isn't actually needed.
11:13 < dfused> toaster=awesome
11:14 < xray> I haven't found the link about improving packet capture performance yet but it talks about the copying problem.
11:14 < xray> I have 40Gb/s links in some places so packet capture performance is an issue.
11:26 <@brimstone> xray: you talkin' about me in here again?
11:29 < aestetix> yes
11:29 < aestetix> it's all about you, brimstone
11:30 < xray> yes, because Saturday was awesome.
11:30 < aestetix> did you get laid?
11:30 < _NSAKEY> brimstone: You wouldn't believe the mean things we've been saying in PMs.
11:30 <@brimstone> _NSAKEY: nah, i think i would :/
11:31 < xray> what?
11:31 < xray> I'm talking about brimstone hosting NetKotH last Saturday.
11:36 <@benthemeek> xray: Do you guys need some bootable laptops for your demonstrations :P  ?
11:40 < _NSAKEY>  benthemeek has entirely too many.
11:41 < xray> That would be helpful.
11:41 < xray> I have some I borrow from work but it would be nice if I didn't have to use their equpment.
11:42 < _NSAKEY> xray: If you get gear from ben, just add a PXE server and you're set.
11:42 < xray> I have been collecting equipment for NetKotH.
11:42 < _NSAKEY> He uses a laptop with an SSD for that.
11:43 < xray> I have a portable rack in a transit case, a router (cisco) and a 48 port managed switch (cisco). I may have a line on a server.
11:44 < xray> Several people I know donated the lavalamp donated the cisco equipment.
11:44 < _NSAKEY> xray: I would be interested in knowing more about the portable rack.
11:44 < xray> This is all geared toward a portable NetKotH for major events like a PhreakNIC or DragonCon.
11:45 < xray> We laptops for the small events like DC404 and ATL2600.
11:45 < xray> I'll dig up the specs and send the to you.
11:45 < xray>  It was donated as well by Joe Folk a DC404 member.
11:46 < _NSAKEY> Is it something like this? http://www.ecscase.com/rackmount
11:46 < PigBot> Title: Rackmount Cases (at www.ecscase.com) http://tinyurl.com/z8r5fxz
11:46 < xray> Yes
11:46 < xray> They are not cheap.
11:46 < xray> I have been looking for one for quite a while when Joe just up and offered one.
11:47 < xray> Thanks Joe. (If your listening).
11:47 < xray> It's an 8u.
11:47 < _NSAKEY> Ouch. The one I just found a price for costs several times what my hardware costs.
11:48 < xray> Exactly.
11:48 < xray> I need to look for a decent second hand source.
11:49 < xray> here it is http://www.skbshockrackcases.com/skb-3skb-r910u28.htm
11:49 < PigBot> Title: SKB CCR910U283SKB Shockrack Shipping Case (at www.skbshockrackcases.com) http://tinyurl.com/ht2kjbp
11:50 < _NSAKEY> Not nearly as nice, but doable: http://www.casesbysource.com/product/4u-skb-shallow-roto-rack-10-7-rd-1skb-r4s
11:50 < PigBot> Title: 4U SKB Shallow Roto Rack (10.7 RD) - 1SKB-R4S | Cases By Source (at www.casesbysource.com) http://tinyurl.com/hptrw3m
11:50 < _NSAKEY> The one I was referencing earlier was 2,200.
11:50 < xray> Wow, that is a really good price.
11:52 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, but probably not nearly as nice as what got donated to you.
11:53 < _NSAKEY> I also don't think it would work in my case due to dimensions.
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11:53 < xray> I have an SUV so moving mine isn't a problem. When fully loaded picking it up may be an issue.
11:55 < _NSAKEY> I had a 1U and a 2U this year. I'm going to keep the 2U server, but am going to use a 2nd 1U box for its functionality next year.
11:55 < _NSAKEY> It will just make life easier for me if I do it that way.
12:07 <@Dagmar> Fuuuu-uuuu
12:08 <@Dagmar> For $1800 I could just drag the equipment behind the car and buy all new shit later
12:08 < xray> I smell a software coding conundrum.
12:08 < xray> I stand corrected.
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15:52 <@Dagmar> "There are bite marks on the ceiling."
15:54 < dfused> incoming tsunami japan
15:55 < dfused> 7.3 quake off fukushima
15:55 < dfused> grab ur surfboards japan!
15:55 < xray> again!!??
15:55 < dfused> yup
15:56 < xray> looking at headlines now. I used to live in Japan.
15:57 < dfused> estimating 3m headed to them now
15:57 <@Dagmar> 3m isn't so bad
15:57 <@Dagmar> ..and hey, the nuclear plant there is already shut down
15:57 < xray> When it gets to the shallows it will get much much bigger
15:58 <@Dagmar> Of course, this is also the one that cracks open the coral reef keeping the giant mutant lizard trapped underwater and in hibernatin.
15:58 < xray> Mothra will save them
16:00 <@Dagmar> Oh come now.  You're being unrealistic.
16:00 <@Dagmar> Where megafauna are concerned, humans are _always_ on the menu.
16:01 < dfused> https://www.periscope.tv/PoinaView/1yoKMDampVRxQ
16:01 < PigBot> Title: Poinaview.com on Periscope: "Tsunami Warning #Fukushima Japan evacuate immediately" (at www.periscope.tv) http://tinyurl.com/jllkadj
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16:05 < dfused> guess I got time for smoke before fukushima glows
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16:06 < xray> dagmar: I got that wrong. You are correct. They are not saying it is 3m at sea but that's the estimated size at landfall.
16:06 < xray> Still it's nine feet.
16:07 < xray> You can watch live here from Japan in English
16:10 < xray> http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live/
16:10 < PigBot> Title: TV Live - NHK WORLD - English (at www3.nhk.or.jp) http://tinyurl.com/nzxlv5f
16:10 < xray> sorry forgot the link
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16:38 <@Dagmar> Has the thing hit land yet or not?
16:39 < xray> There have been several that have hit but so far the largest has been 90cm
16:39 < xray> hopefully that is the worst it will be.
16:40 <@Dagmar> This is barely surfable
16:40 < xray> Unfortunately it isn't over yet.
17:02 < dfused> its like watching a nascar race with no wrecks.
17:06 <@Dagmar> ...and a depressing lack of sea monsters.
17:07 < dfused> lol
17:07 <@Dagmar> It's like they don't even care about ratings.
17:07 < dfused> you'd think theyd at least throw some fake smoke out of one of the reactors
17:13 < dfused> with the epicenter only 20km out,  I would ahve thought a tsunami would have hit by now
17:14 < dfused> science is hard....
17:14 <@Dagmar> Kinda depends on how the plates shifted
17:14 <@Dagmar> If it was just side to side, not much is gonna happen
17:48 <@Dagmar> It's under Settings, Apps, click the Gear icon... "
17:48 <@Dagmar> #@!$@!$
17:58 <@Dagmar> Clearly Elijah Wood does "extreme discomfort/concern" well.
18:55 <@Dagmar> This Dirk Gently show is just plain mad
19:01 <@Dagmar> elvirolo: Contacts does that.  Share the contact with Google Drive.  It will export it as a vcf file.
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20:49 < rpifan> hello all
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