--- Log opened Mon Nov 14 00:00:26 2016
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06:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:37  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:40 < aestetix> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/unprecedented-chris-christie-donald-trump/index.html
06:40 < PigBot> Title: CNN's 'Unprecedented': Trump told Christie he didn't think he'd last past October 2015 - CNNPolitics.com (at edition.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/z7ahlku
06:52 < aestetix> the joy of being an american
06:52 < aestetix> I have a new colleague who joined today
06:52 < aestetix> the first question: "what do you think of donald trump"
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07:27 < xray>  aestetix: Have you ever said something in one context that seemed reasonable but in a different context it seemed really inappropriate?
07:28 < xray> I ran across a a video that illuminated the debate on voter ID laws in a very different light.
07:28 < xray> http://www.dailywire.com/news/10524/video-clearly-shows-what-liberals-actually-think-chase-stephens#
07:34 <@Dolemite> Of course, the interviews are being conducted in NYC - the most urban of urban areas.  From my understanding, the voter ID laws have the largest effect in rural areas - which as we all know, remained red as can be.  I'm for voter ID laws, but I'm also for providing every legal citizen with a free ID card (not a driver's license).
07:51 < xray> That's the thing, everyone can get a free state voter ID card.
07:51 < xray> That issue is a bit of a straw man argument.
07:52 <@Dolemite> There's a voter ID card...  but aren't some of the Voter ID laws also requiring a picture ID?
07:52 <@Dolemite> My voter ID card has no picture
07:54 < xray> There is also a State ID card.
07:55 < xray> Also free
07:55 < xray> I just found a picture of the Georgia Voter ID card and it has the persons picture.
07:56 < aestetix> xray: video is about right
07:57 < xray> http://www.walkercountyelections.com/Photo_ID.html
07:57 < PigBot> Title: The Walker County Board of Elections and Registration Photo ID (at www.walkercountyelections.com) http://tinyurl.com/j4a4sn3
07:57 < xray> http://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/georgia_voter_identification_requirements2
07:57 < PigBot> Title: georgia voter identification requirements2 (at sos.ga.gov) http://tinyurl.com/lzraohp
07:57 < xray> The free Georgia voter ID card has the persons picture.
07:58 <@Dolemite> TN does not have that option
07:58 < xray> So yeah. How much better than free does it take.
07:58 < aestetix> So when you register to vote, you normally get a voter registration card of some sort right?
07:58 <@Dolemite> You have to pay I think $12 for it in TN
07:58 < aestetix> Or some letter saying you're registered
07:59 <@Dolemite> You have to register to vote as a separate process in the State of TN.  I remember when I lived in Georgia they would automatically register you if you wanted.
07:59 <@Dolemite> So the problem is that some states are still back asswards
07:59 < xray> Are you talking about a voter registration card or voter ID card? They are not the same thing.
07:59 < aestetix> what is a voter ID card?
07:59 < aestetix> I'm referring to the letter you get in the mail after you register to vote
08:00 < xray> It is a free card issued by the state that has your picture that can be used for identification when you go to vote.
08:00 < aestetix> oh ok
08:00 <@Dolemite> aestetix: There's a little voter registraton card you get after registration that tells you where your polling location is.  It's not valid for anything, really.
08:01 < xray> True but that's not the same thing as a voter ID card.
08:01 < aestetix> Well when I've gone to vote, I've always just given my address etc
08:01 < aestetix> But I've never lived in a state that had a voter ID law
08:01 < xray> Some states require a state issued picture ID.
08:01 <@Dolemite> xray: The State of TN has no concept of this voter ID card.  It's a voter registration card, and then some valid form of identification.
08:02 < xray> In the states that have a voter ID law The debate is that not everyone can affore
08:02 < aestetix> See, IMHO, if you have the registration card, why should you need anything else?
08:02 < xray> the debate is the cost of the card.
08:02 < xray> The problem is the cards are free.
08:02 < xray> So not really a debate.
08:02 < aestetix> xray: well the poll tax debate goes away
08:02 <@Dolemite> The cards aren't free
08:02 < xray> Just people clubbing a straw man in the public square.
08:03 < aestetix> But I mean, if you have an issue with the voter ID law in your state, go to your city hall and tell them
08:04 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Sure, just ask your boss to give you some time off to go lodge a protest at City Hall when they're actually open.
08:05 < aestetix> Because your reps don't have a phone or a mailing address
08:06 < aestetix> One of the issues I have with voter ID laws is I'm not sure what issue they are trying to solve. If you want to tackle voter fraud, there are way bigger fish to fry
08:06 <@Dolemite> Yes, that's a proven effective means of getting your representatives' attention.
08:06 < aestetix> Dead people voting, Diebold machines deleting a few thousand votes, etc
08:07 < aestetix> Dolemite: I'm not in favor of voter ID laws by any means.
08:09 < aestetix> xray: having lived both in NYC and in the Easy Bay..... that video fairly accurately represents both cultures.
08:10 < aestetix> Berkely students are fucking full of themselves.
08:10 < xray> It's not just Berkley students.
08:11 < xray> I heard a quote: I wish I was in my 20's again and in college so I could know everything.
08:11 < aestetix> lol
08:11 < aestetix> well Berkley adults are no different
08:12 < aestetix> "adults"
08:13 < xray> are you implying that chronological age is not an indicator of emotional age.
08:13 < aestetix> only in the bay area
08:39 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Don't forget _fractional_ voting
08:40 <@Dagmar> aestetix: See also http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/
08:40 < PigBot> Title: Fraction Magic Part 1: Votes are being counted as fractions instead of as whole numbers | BlackBoxVoting.org (at blackboxvoting.org) http://tinyurl.com/jrwmx5q
08:40 <@Dagmar> I would question what the holy galloping fuck that code is doing _ever_ using floats.
08:46 < aestetix> Dagmar: wtf
08:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yah.  That happened.
08:46 < aestetix> I hope to god that fraction is not 3/5
08:46 <@Dagmar> I was shocked.
08:47 <@Dagmar> Like, WTF is that feature _even_ doing in the codebase?
08:47 <@Dagmar> There is no possible use for it that isn't straight up _illegal_
08:47 < aestetix> Anything other than counting 1 vote as 1 vote is illegal
08:48 < xray> We will be hosting NetKotH at this month's DC404 meeting.
08:49 <@Dagmar> Oh lordy.  Ya'll gotta see this man go off.  NSFW language, also not safe for special snowflakes https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fviralthread%2Fvideos%2F598130190359668%2F
08:50 < PigBot> Title: Video (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/jf3qcpn
09:01 < aestetix> So given that Trump has bankrolled many of these politicians over th eyears
09:01 < aestetix> he probably has dirt on them
09:02 <@Dagmar> It would be interesting to see if this means they owe _him_ favors instead of the other way around
09:02 < aestetix> I just have a feeling this situation is going to get a LOT worse
09:02 < aestetix> right
09:02 < aestetix> For example, what happens if they decide not to open congressional inquiries on him because of this
09:03 < aestetix> If that theory is correct, this will make watergate seem like lambchops
09:04 < aestetix> Note that the GOP has been decidedly silent on him not releasing his tax returns
09:04 <@Dagmar> I'm fine with that
09:05 <@Dagmar> If they wind up taking him back out of office, it's cool
09:05 < aestetix> it's not that simple
09:05 < aestetix> If the theory is correct, if they try to take Trump out, half of Congress goes out with him
09:05 <@Dagmar> I fail to see a problem with that
09:05 < aestetix> fair enough lol
09:06 <@Dagmar> Heck, if 3/4 of the Senate and 4/5 of the House gets booted as a result of some widespread corruption investigation, most people are going to freak out for about a day, and then they'll go "Oh wait... Yes, let's actually throw the bums out."
09:07 <@Dagmar> The media, I'm sure, will act as if the moon cracked open and a giant chicken came out and flew away into deep space
09:28 < aestetix> I would not mind seeing them all go to jail
10:53 <@oddball> Dagmar: That youtube vid you posted.  Saw that a couple days ago.  Damn shame the folks that actually need to watch it won't/won't listen.
10:54 <@oddball> Right now, a lot of them are signing a petition to try to get the electoral college to go against the voters.
11:28 <@Dolemite> In their mind, that exactly what the electoral college is doing already.  They don't understand the difference between a Republic and a Democracy.
11:30 <@oddball> Of course, I'm always astounded in the number of folks that don't know what the electoral colleg is or why it exists.
11:30 <@Dolemite> Yeah, same here
11:31 <@Dolemite> Then try to explain to them why gerrymandering matters
11:31 <@oddball> I did finally say to one person "wait, you're lecturing me about politics, and you don't know what the electoral college *is*?"
11:32  * Dolemite looks on the back of the package of whole cashews that he just ate.  "Servings Per Container:  About 5"  Hrrmmm.  How 'bout that.
11:32 <@Dolemite> I don't feel like I just ate 5 servings
11:33 <@oddball> serving size: 1.  That's why it's packed like that.  Just like Thin Mints have 2 servings per box.
11:33 <@Dolemite> inorite
11:59 < aestetix> I have to admit
11:59 < aestetix> I'm really unimpressed with.... everyone's response to Trump
12:01 <@oddball> My favorite was the thread that started off with "well, I guess love can't beat hate.  Maybe we should try hate?"  When someone mentioned the lack of riots when Obama won, they responded "well, that's not something the Republicans do."
12:02 <@oddball> So... 1. the Dems didn't run on a platform of hate the other side?  and 2. Rioting is a tool of love, not hate?
12:08 < aestetix> http://www.wsj.com/articles/leading-contender-for-donald-trump-s-chief-of-staff-is-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-1479069597
12:08 < PigBot> Title: RNC Chair Reince Priebus Is Named Donald Trump’s Chief of Staff - WSJ (at www.wsj.com) http://tinyurl.com/jrvxpwl
12:08 < aestetix> "After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said."
12:08 < aestetix> This is a *good* thing
12:10 < aestetix> Well, sort of.
12:32 <@dasunt> WTF is up with this "riot"?
12:32 <@dasunt> Is there actual riots somewhere?
12:34 < cyberanger> From what I understand Not like Furgerson, MO a few years ago, or LA further back.
12:37 <@dasunt> I'm seeing photos of vandalism in Portland.
12:37 <@dasunt> IDK.  Sometimes I think people just commit property crimes under the cover of a large protest.
12:56 <@oddball> here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/10/not-my-president-thousand-protest-trump-in-rallies-across-the-u-s/
12:56 < PigBot> Title: ‘Not my president’: Thousands protest Trump in rallies across the U.S. - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/zfyhvkl
13:08 <@rattle> NOOOOOOOOOO..  Gwen Ifill died.
13:08 <@Dolemite> Who's that?
13:13 <@Dolemite> Ah, PBS Newshour
13:18 <@dasunt> oddball: We had those here, but none of them were riots.
14:56 <@Evilpig> okay I've got a bash question
14:56 <@Evilpig> I have a script and I set a variable like so BOOTFREE=`df /boot | grep boot | awk {'print $5'} | egrep -o '[0-9]{1,3}'`
14:57 <@Evilpig> later in the script I call a check for $BOOTFREE.  is it evaluating the external command at that time or just the value stored from when the variable was initialized?
15:06 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: It only contains the value stored when it executed that code
15:06 <@Dagmar> Stuff between backticks is executed in a subshell immediately.
15:07 <@Dagmar> also, wtf is that
15:07 <@Dagmar> Do you get an achievement for using all the shell utilities at once?
15:09 <@Evilpig> I got a shiny popup on my desktop when I did that
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16:00 <@Dagmar> I *know* you can wrangle regexps better than tnat
16:00 <@Dagmar> ...and if not we need to _fix that_)
16:12 <@Dagmar> Let's try this: df /boot --output=pcent | sed -n 's/^.?*\([0-9]*\)%.*/\1/p' | grep -v '^$'
16:16 <@Dagmar> Also... (and this is sure to piss you off) `df /boot --output=pcent | grep -o '[0-9]\{1,3\}'`
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20:57 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: didn't piss me off.  because "df: unrecognized option '--output=pcent'"
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