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07:57 < scam> morning
07:57 < aestetix> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html
07:57 < PigBot> Title: Anti-Trump protests: Portland police call it 'riot' - CNN.com (at edition.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/gqe9or7
08:00 <@Dolemite> oh, whooops
08:00 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:00  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:26 < dfused> todays theme: https://twitter.com/i/videos/791431309692276737
08:26 < PigBot> Title: Twitter web player (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hubbf9u
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09:04 < aestetix> wow
09:04 < aestetix> I'm watching samantha bee for the first time
09:04 < aestetix> she's fucking annoying
09:40 <@oddball> You had to actually watch the show to figure that out?  Oh, wait.  I guess you never saw the promos.
09:46 < aestetix> I don't mean the show
09:46 < aestetix> I mean period.
09:46 < aestetix> I've never seen her picture even
09:48 < aestetix> https://engineering.tumblr.com/post/152998126990/php-7-at-tumblr
09:48 < PigBot> Title: Tumblr Engineering — PHP 7 at Tumblr (at engineering.tumblr.com) http://tinyurl.com/hbcmsp8
09:48 < aestetix> poor Evilpig
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10:20 < aestetix> http://www.thecornellreview.org/breaking-cornell-students-cry-didnt-get-way/
10:21 < aestetix> enjoy
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10:40 < xray> That reads more like an article on the Onion.
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10:49 < aestetix> http://chicagoist.com/2016/11/10/grubhub_ceo_tells_employees_to_resi.php
10:49 < PigBot> Title: GrubHub CEO Tells Employees To 'Resign' If They Agree With Trump Views: Chicagoist (at chicagoist.com) http://tinyurl.com/jn4hcgw
10:49 < aestetix> Now this one is interesting.
10:49 < aestetix> I could see that opening them up to a lawsuit
10:50 <@oddball> How open minded of him
10:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, that's just idiotic.
10:51 < xray> career limiting event
10:52 < aestetix> If I had worked there.... I'd probably have replied with 'I do agree with some of what Trump stands for. Does this mean you're asking for my resignation?"
10:52 <@Dolemite> Instead, CEO should say, "If you think a new President gives you carte blanche to break the laws around harassment and discrimination, resign now."
10:52 <@oddball> aestetix: Don't know if you've seen this video.  I can't disagree with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
10:52 < PigBot> Title: President Trump: How & Why... - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zlrf9wy
10:52 < aestetix> Get him to say "yes" and then immediatley go to the press with it
10:53 < aestetix> http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/originals/ct-matt-maloney-grubhub-email-resign-bsi-20161110-story.html
10:53 < PigBot> Title: Grubhub faces backlash after CEO's anti-Trump email to employees - Chicago Tribune (at www.chicagotribune.com) http://tinyurl.com/ztcxqx6
10:54 <@oddball> I love the number of folks on my feed that have convinced themselves that hate and name calling is purely a tactic of the right.
11:02 < xray> that was interesting. His point is that using insults and belittling peoples opinions only makes them stop debating and vent their opinion in the anonymity of the voting booth.
11:05 <@oddball> And he's dead on.
11:05 < xray> He has a point. So does this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9lm-T87AQ
11:06 < PigBot> Title: The Truth About the Trump Protests - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/z623cf3
11:06 <@oddball> yep
11:08 <@oddball> When you call the otherside racist pigfuckers with zero brain cells, don't be real surprised when they don't give a shit what you think.
11:09 < xray> Have you ever tried to debate calculus with a person who believes 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2?
11:10 <@oddball> Well, since I'm a gun rights advocate?  I would say the answer is "yes.  All the damn time."
11:10 < xray> Epic fail.
11:11 <@oddball> Because, well, I'm constantly dealing with people that are arguing based on emotion, not fact.
11:11 < xray> I agree.
11:12 <@oddball> And calling them doodoo heads that won't listen to reason doesn't work.
11:12 < xray> Agreed.
11:13 < xray> Have you ever tried to have a discussion with a 5 year old on why ice cream for dinner isn't a good idea?
11:14 <@oddball> Does my wife count? :p
11:14 < dfused> if they dont agree with your argument, just call em a fucking idiot.  argument won!
11:14 <@oddball> yup
11:14 < xray> They have the same super computer in their head that you do (well almost) what they lack is raw data and data weighting.
11:15 < dfused> weeell   some have better processors and memory capability than others
11:15 < xray> And an inability to bootstrap the data necessary. Eventually they will get it but at that point it's pointless.
11:16 < xray> the time to have a conversation with a kid about honesty is the first time he realizes someone has been dishonest with them. They feel it but don't know what to call it or how to articulate it.
11:17 < dfused> two?
11:18 < xray> It depends. There are stages of emotional and intellectual growth kids go through but like all things there is a bell curve and some are ready earlier or later than others.
11:20 < dfused> good luck getting parents to know/understand when that time really is...  hindsight always showing a different picture than what we/they thought.
11:22 < xray> It doesn't help that people think they don't have to keep studying once they get out of school.
11:22 < xray> You don't learn everything you need in school.
11:22 < xray> Mostly you learn how to study. Or at least you used to.
11:23 < dfused> espcially brick and mortar schools
11:23 < xray> I saw the changes starting when I was in school and at this point many are unrecognizable as schools.
11:24 < xray> We home schooled my daughter through high school.
11:24 < xray> Meaning all the way including high school.
11:29 < dfused> still most colleges are crap and are just babysitting.  (at least at the bachelor level)
11:29 < aestetix> I just don't get it.
11:29 < aestetix> Trump won fair and square.
11:30 < aestetix> I'm not happy with the result, but I accept it.
11:30 < dfused> I'm more frustrated that we still use a electoral college system which doesnt have to match up to pop vote.
11:31 < aestetix> dfused: the electoral college protects us, among other things, from a tyranny of the majority
11:31 < dfused> other than that...yeah.... it is what it is.   ppl just didnt vote. -shrug-  buckle up for four years, we've made it through worse
11:31 < aestetix> That said... let me see what the votecount difference was
11:31 < aestetix> 280646
11:32 < aestetix> So Hillary got 280,000 more votes.
11:32 < dfused> I thought I saw somewhere that 46% of reg voters didnt vote.
11:32 < aestetix> .2 percent of the total
11:33 < aestetix> well that's a different
11:33 < aestetix> issue
11:33 < dfused> yeah i know.
11:33 <@oddball> dfused: Yep.  And I would wager that a large percentage of that 46% didn't vote because they felt that their options were suck and fail.
11:33 < dfused> and that doesnt even get into the fraudulent voting that happened
11:34 < aestetix> oddball: I didn't vote because I thought it would suck either way.
11:34 < aestetix> But I accept the result.
11:34 < dfused> oddball, that was kinda my thoughts on this one.  do I want to shoot myself with a 40 or a 45
11:36 <@oddball> And the percentage of folks not voting this time around was a lot higher than the two times Obama got elected.  Not sure about before that.
11:36 < dfused> do i want a pres who talks with prejudice, bigotry, etc ; or one who is frendly with and assists bankrolling one of the largest human rights violating country on the planet.
11:37 <@oddball> Oh, and I would also guess that a large percentage of the folks that voted third party would have sat on their hands instead of voting Trump or Hillary.
11:37 < dfused> however, .... I really think that trumps attempts at change will run into the same walls that obama did when he got in thinking he could change everything.  it just isn't that simple.  president is just not THAT powerful of a position
11:38 <@oddball> yup
11:39 < xray> We should all be afraid if it was.
11:39 < dfused> the only real issue right now is the uneducated dipshits thinking that this gives them caret blanche to be bigots, racist etc.... but then again, we had a similar issue with the uneducated black population thinking that when oama got in that they would be entitled to have whatever and do whatever
11:40 < dfused> dammitcant type
11:40 <@oddball> Also, although the Republicans have majority in both the House and the Senate, but 1. it's a slim majority, and 2. a large portion of the Republican politicians can't stand him.
11:40 < dfused> oddball, very true
11:42 <@oddball> And... I just tripped over someone arguing that the folks rioting aren't hateful and violent.
11:42 < xray> I try to spend the majority of my effort on the things I can directly influence. With that said, I'm going back to incident handling.
11:42 < dfused> well depends on proper usage of language.   if they are actually rioting, then by definition is violent.
11:43 <@oddball> torching cars, breaking windows...
11:44 <@oddball> You know, what the media now calls "peaceful protests."
11:44 < xray> My right to express myself ends when my fist meets the other guys nose. Meaning that I can protest all I want but when it starts to interfere with other people going about their day, I'm in the wrong.
11:45 < xray> Regardless of what the point of my protest is.
11:45 < dfused> +1 summary of 1st amemdment
11:46 <@oddball> yup
11:46 < dfused> anyways.... now I need a cigarette.... "Thanks Obama"
11:46 < xray> The actions of most of the election protesters I have read about so far are reprehensible.
11:47 < xray> Of course the peacful/respectful protesters won't make the news so it will look very unbalanced.
11:49 <@Dagmar> Of course the whole purpose of reporting almost exclusively on the outbursts of dumbassery, is to keep your attention drawn away from why no one is asking much about how many people voted and why.
11:49 <@Dagmar> The current narrative being pushed is that "America did this to itself, and everyone should be angry at everyone else."
11:50 <@Dagmar> ...which is a far cry from "The oligarchs and the media conglomerates working together, served up a spectacular shit sandwich that no one wanted any part of."
11:51 <@Dagmar> The oligarchs and the media did this to America.
12:24 <@jb7od> At least we've ended up with a situation that we can all feel good about rebelling against.
12:31 <@dasunt> Dagmar: You make it sound like a conspiracy.
12:32 <@dasunt> IMO, it's more of telling people what they want to hear.
12:33 <@dasunt> "12 shockingly racist Trump supporters" gets more clicks than "How Hillary lost white America" (assuming the target audience leans left).
12:34 <@Dagmar> It's not a conspiracy.
12:34 <@Dagmar> It's just a shitload of rich and/or powerful people with the same goal in mind:  Fucking over everyone who isn't themselves.
12:35 <@Dagmar> This doesn't take a whole lot of coordination.
12:35 <@dasunt> But outside some influence peddling (e.g. "we'll let you interview our candidate which we know would up your ratings, but only if you launch softball questions"), there's little organization.
12:36 <@dasunt> I should say *planned* organization.
12:52 <@Dagmar> It doesn't need to be planned
12:53 <@Dagmar> The DNC _as a body_ behaved in an incredibly unethical fashion during the primaries
12:53 <@Dagmar> The media just went along with it and largely pretended everything was tewtelly fine because otherwise each network was likely to be refused interviews
12:54 <@Dagmar> They didn't need to coordinate.  It's just a bunch of greedy people acting in their own self-interests
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12:59 <@dasunt> Yes.
12:59 <@dasunt> Speaking of media, I'm seeing a lot of talk about the "riots" we had yesterday in Minneapolis.
13:00 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-qFc27kIFg
13:00 < PigBot> Title: Trump IMMEDIATELY Backpedals On Wall And More... - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/gooxhmk
13:00 <@dasunt> Gotta love how that story is spun.  As riots go, this was probably one of the most polite ones.  Didn't even see anything out of place when I came through this morning.
13:02 <@dasunt> What a riot may look like:  http://www.startribune.com/500-gather-near-u-of-m-to-protest-trump-s-election-statements/400770921/
13:02 < PigBot> Title: Thousands of anti-Trump protesters block I-94 Thursday in Minneapolis - StarTribune.com (at www.startribune.com) http://tinyurl.com/zouzdkx
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14:11 <@dasunt> Der Spiegel is not happy with this election.
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14:35 < TheDukh> Actually had a neighbor get a "GTFO -insert racial explicit here-" thing on their door this AM, as well as some college apts reporting lesbians getting harassed
14:41 <@dasunt> WTF?
14:42 <@dasunt> We had one incident by an anti-Trump supporter, and another incident by an anti-Hillary supporter.  But that's it.
14:44 < TheDukh> Like 2 instances of that, even some college students arrested at a protest on campus.
14:44 < TheDukh> And a black church in the next town over was vandalized, people ran out when someone came into the church, leaving an overturned gas can.
14:45 < TheDukh> Sad thing was the church is literally right across the street from the police station.  Cops were sitting on their porch watching the church when it all supposedly happened
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16:29 < xray> aestetix are you here
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20:44 < skiboy> hey ben
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20:47 < skiboy> so, uh, how about that election
20:47 < skiboy> we're all fucked, aren't we?
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21:49 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: ping
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