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05:02 < aestetix> I wonder who monica lewinsky will vote for
05:12 < cyberanger> Well, she know how to raise an issue to one Clinton.
05:19 < aestetix> ok
05:19 < aestetix> time to find out if I can unfuck an ubuntu 16.04 upgrade
05:20 < aestetix> IE remove systemd
05:23 < cyberanger> Good luck aestetix
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06:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:17  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:29 < xray> hey all
06:32 <@Dolemite> howdy
06:32 < aestetix> so I've been reading greek tragedy lately
06:33 < xray> A lot of info sec news this morning.
06:33 < aestetix> and it's highly amusing that millennial feminists think they are inventing these gender battle issues
06:33 < xray> Some days it can be a bit overwhelming.
06:33 < xray> If it's not them then who invented them?
06:33 < aestetix> lol
06:34 < xray> Seems like a tempest in the little teapot of their mind to me.
06:34 < aestetix> well I recall a story in Jason and the Argonauts with an island where the women had banished all the men away
06:34 < aestetix> And then one of the old ladies popped up and said "so uh, how do you expect to have children without any men around?"
06:35 < xray> True and IIRC any that did manage to show up got turned into pigs.
06:35 < xray> A metaphor I suppose.
06:35 < xray> Or was that Odysisus.
06:35 < aestetix> that was the odyssey
06:35 < aestetix> the island of circe
06:36 < aestetix> there's also the greek play where the women went on strike against the men, denying them sex
06:36 <@Dolemite> Lysystrata
06:36 < aestetix> yes
06:36 < xray> I thought it might be, I read the odyssey but not jason and the argonaughts.
06:36 < aestetix> So clearly these issues have been around for a while
06:37 < xray> Sounds a lot like licentiousness.
06:37 < aestetix> And yet millennial feminists are demanding that someone solve them
06:37 < xray> I think they took the saying "you can be anything you want" a bit to literally.
06:37 < aestetix> basically
06:38 < aestetix> well they learned "you can do anything you want" but didn't learn the other half of it, "you can't do everything you want"
06:38 < aestetix> so now we have women trying to have careers while also raising kids
06:38 < xray> If they want to see the creator and solution to their problem they should look in the mirror.
06:38 < aestetix> or men doing the same
06:39 < aestetix> I mean I am all in favor of women having careers if they want. There is a reason boarding schools were invented :p
06:39 < aestetix> And orphanages, sadly
06:41 < aestetix> I was grilling a BLM supporter yesterday, and asked what they stood for
06:41 < aestetix> https://policy.m4bl.org/platform/
06:41 < PigBot> Title: Platform - The Movement for Black Lives (at policy.m4bl.org) http://tinyurl.com/jd6xkm3
06:41 < aestetix> take a look at some of these
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09:37 <@benthemeek> google doodle is cool today, fun little game
09:41 < aestetix> so it occurs to me
09:41 < aestetix> a lot of these SJWs who are about black lives matter crap are atheist
09:41 < aestetix> whereas churches usually run soup kitchens and charities for the poor
09:42 < aestetix> I wonder how many SJWs have ever actually been in a soup kitchen
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09:43 < aestetix> that just occurred to me. Every soup kitchen I have ever seen has been run by a church
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10:04 <@benthemeek> aestetix: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-c-camp/make-the-church-great-again_b_12658092.html
10:04 < PigBot> Title: Make The Church Great Again | Huffington Post (at www.huffingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/hsbu38q
10:06 <@benthemeek> I saw that online yesterday and thought wow.  I wanted to send it along to my many conservative friends, who have some how made the republican party and ilk as their tribe now
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11:49 < aestetix> jesus
11:49 < aestetix> I just watched a video of Kellyanne Conway defending Trump
11:49 < aestetix> I want *her* to run for POTUS
11:49 < aestetix> she's great
11:51 < xray> https://www.barna.com/research/barnas-annual-tracking-study-shows-americans-stay-spiritually-active-but-biblical-views-wane/
11:51 < PigBot> Title: Barnas Annual Tracking Study Shows Americans Stay Spiritually Active, But Biblical Views Wane - Barna Group - Barna Group (at www.barna.com) http://tinyurl.com/hxg4yky
11:51 < xray> The 2007 study found that 7% of adults qualify as evangelical Christians, which is statistically consistent with prior levels.
11:51 < xray> For instance, 83% of Americans identified as Christians
11:52 < xray> So 83% think their Christians but only 7% could be considered a Christian based on what they believe.
11:54 < xray> That would be like 83% percent of America believing they are mathematicians with only 7% believing 2 + 2 = 4. The rest believe that 2+2=5 when you have extremely large values of 2.
12:13 < aestetix> I kind of wonder what the point of such polls are
12:13 < aestetix> As if your religion is somehow succeeding because it is more popular or something
12:38 < oddball> xray: There's been a distinction between "evangelical christian" and "christian" for a good while now.
13:15 < aestetix> are there many evangelical youths?
13:15 < aestetix> since if you believe what the NYT says, nobody under the age of 40 is religious
13:16 <@opticron> aestetix, there are, but I haven't met many
13:18 <@opticron> I've met semi-evangelical mormons and one evangelical baptist who was trying to make up for his sins by being louder
13:19 <@benthemeek> xray: That is interesting.  A great book about American's religious habbits I read is called "American Grace" it looks at polls and data statically over the past 80 years that we have it.
13:20 <@benthemeek> Now a days those under 40 aren't going to churches unless they are big community churches that do a lot more than church (think day care and yoga)
13:20 <@benthemeek> The small ones are dying
13:21 < aestetix> this is interesting
13:21 < aestetix> I wonder if it's related to how everyone is moving to cities
13:21 <@benthemeek> Church was almost a patriotic duty after WW2
13:21 <@benthemeek> so the change of attitudes is really interesting
13:22 < aestetix> well in the south, it's mostly protestant, right?
13:22 < aestetix> so things like vatican 2 and the molestation issues don't apply
13:22 <@benthemeek> I think the nomination of Trump is really challenging the "always vote republican" ideals because of his character
13:23 <@benthemeek> Though my parents and the fundamentalist I know will never ever vote for anyone who accepts abortion
13:23 < aestetix> you mean the part where he's not a republican?
13:24 <@benthemeek> heh
13:24 <@benthemeek> well in general he doesn't have integrity
13:24 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
13:24 < PigBot> Title: Donald Trump - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/mnwp5gd
13:24 < aestetix> look at "political party" in the sidebar
13:24 <@benthemeek> If raises a lot of the character counts voters eyebrows
13:25 <@benthemeek> He doesnt really seem like he is part of the "team" or tribe the subscribe to
13:25 < aestetix> What's interesting to me is that millennials seem to not actually care about independence
13:25 < aestetix> they are wanting to be almost socialist
13:26 < aestetix> maybe it's because they are all 21, and once they grow up a bit... :p
13:27 < aestetix> I mean there's also the fact that the frankfurt school of thought has basically taken over universities
13:27 <@benthemeek> I think  a separation of religious and political interests is the best thing for both communities though. You mentioned about churches providing soup kitchens and I think that was the point that article I posted was going at.
13:29 <@benthemeek> Millennials want low corruption but big safety nets. The conservatives say this is because they are lazy and dependent
13:29 <@benthemeek> Its a too simple a answer to a very complex problem
13:31 <@benthemeek> I feel like I have had so many good conversations with both sides of the aisle I can really understand how they think and feel so I have a hard time taking sides
13:31 <@benthemeek> For what its worth I voted for a 3rd party
13:33 <@benthemeek> I am ready for it to all be over :P The argument though of whether charity (like soup kitchens) is the realm of churches or government will probably be sticking around for a long time
13:41 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Same. In fact, I believe so strongly in my candidate of choice that I bought some of their merchandise and will probably be distributing some of it at PhreakNIC.
13:41 < _NSAKEY> Related: https://www.amazon.com/Meteor-Already-Bumper-Sticker-Decals/dp/B01H3H1ZXI
13:41 < PigBot> _NSAKEY: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
13:42 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: One of my favorite author's talks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbuIgPhMnrE
13:42 < PigBot> Title: The asteroids club - common threats can lead to compromise: Jonathan Haidt at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) Error
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18:17 <@Dagmar> The little blighters start collecing candy early in this neighborhood
18:20 <@brimstone> a horde pouched me as soon as I got home
18:22 < _NSAKEY> I'm at NoFault's place, with the supposed objective of handing out candy.
18:22 < _NSAKEY> I told him I wouldn't be the cause of too many child disappearances while he's gone.
18:24 <@brimstone> did you leave your van unlocked?
18:25 < _NSAKEY> brimstone: Yeah, and I touched up the "FREE HUGS" paint job.
18:26 <@brimstone> you should lock it, it's harder to escape when it's locked
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18:29 < _NSAKEY> pirateklixa: Is that your IRC version of a halloween costume?
18:29 < pirateklixa> Yes
18:29 < pirateklixa> :D
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