--- Log opened Thu Oct 27 00:00:32 2016 00:50 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: if I were a bot, why would i be wearing this hat? lolz] 01:28 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ypgvugqpbsvlbqit] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 03:39 < aestetix> well that was not pleasant 03:39 < aestetix> searchin for a calendar plugin for mutt 03:40 < aestetix> and I stumbled across a "sexy dog calendar" 04:03 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:e9d7:1a10:eac5:e64f] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:53 -!- xray [~xray@boppity.cc.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600 07:32 <@Dagmar> Are we supposed to be psychic? You've given no details about anything that might be a symptom. 07:33 <@Dagmar> bleh 07:33 <@Dagmar> No, you cited a problem. 07:33 <@Dagmar> going to strangle this kid I swear 07:35 <@Evilpig> sounds like many of the tickets we get for opendcim too 07:36 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:39 <@Dagmar> Best part is the guy just said it's happening with multiple differnet devices, and MTP is generally unstable 07:39 <@Dagmar> I've told him that very strongly indicates it's a problem with his USB chipset on his PC. 07:40 <@Dagmar> Now it's a matter of waiting for him to say "Oh no wait it's not happening with other devices" 07:49 <@Dagmar> Oh NOW he mentions he's doing it under VirtualBox. 07:54 <@Evilpig> me and virtualbox are having an argument as well 07:54 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/59lxe9/berkeley_protesters_form_human_chain_to_stop/ 07:54 < PigBot> Title: Berkeley protesters form human chain to stop white students from getting to class : news (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/jxefcgf 07:54 < aestetix> it is good to see somewhat rational discussion about this 07:55 <@Evilpig> my virtual disk balooned from 10g to 40g I went to try to shrink the disk and it refuses. 07:55 <@Evilpig> followed some guides to shrink it and it just made it bigger. 07:55 < aestetix> Evilpig: if that's virtualbox, you might have to run a tool to zero out the space 07:55 < aestetix> I had to do this on my system 07:55 <@Evilpig> I did 07:55 <@Evilpig> it was a windows vm. ran the sdelete to zero the free space and it wouldn't compress the disk after. it actually made it bigger 07:56 <@Dagmar> Probably needed to run something like fstrim to return to _sparse_ allocation 07:56 <@Evilpig> I'm probably going to rebuild that vm now 07:56 <@Evilpig> I'll look at that tonight. 07:57 <@Evilpig> stupid work laptop only has 256gb of storage and that vm ate up 100g 07:57 < aestetix> that makes no sense 07:57 <@Evilpig> I set the disk to 100g originally. as a sparse disk, of course. 07:58 <@Evilpig> when I zero'd it. it expanded the disk to the max size because... fuck if I know... microsoft? 07:58 <@Dagmar> Zeros are still allocated 07:58 <@Evilpig> once it was done zero'ing I shut down the vm and ran the compress command 07:59 <@Dagmar> I'm surprised Nathan didn't say to you at one point "Do not zero format thin-provisioned disks" 07:59 <@Evilpig> MacPig:Vandy-Win10 wilbur$ VBoxManage modifyvdi --compact "Vandy-Win10.vdi" 07:59 <@Evilpig> 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90%...100% 07:59 <@Evilpig> 207640576 -rw------- 1 wilbur staff 99G Oct 26 16:46 Vandy-Win10.vdi 08:01 <@Dagmar> sdelete is _supposed_ to sort that 08:01 < aestetix> Evilpig: how much free space does windows say it has? 08:01 <@Evilpig> 82.1gb 08:01 <@Dagmar> Run sdelete -c inside the Win10 VM 08:01 <@Evilpig> I ran sdelete -z c: 08:02 <@Dagmar> -c is supposed to do a trim operation as well 08:02 <@Evilpig> I think I had tried -c originally 08:02 <@Dagmar> Just writing zeros won't do it 08:02 <@Evilpig> I'll futz with it again tonight. I semi-fooled it using another method 08:02 <@Evilpig> I gave it a second disk. then mirrored the two 08:02 <@Evilpig> it shrank. but not as much as I wanted 08:05 < xray> Even if you run sdelete with trim on a sparse disk it will grow the disk to it's defined limit. 08:06 < xray> A sparse disk only uses as much real space as is written to it. When you run the sdelete command it is writing to the entire disk and in order to do that the sparse disk will expand to the size it was defined as. 08:07 < xray> Once the sparse disk is expanded the trim command works the same way as it would on a real hard drive. 08:07 <@Evilpig> I left that virtual disk parked on my nas at home so i'll futz with it when I get home 08:08 < xray> If the partition on the real hard drive is 100GB and I run the trim command the partition will still be 100GB when it's done trimming. If you want to change the size of the partition you have to run a partition resizing tool. 08:08 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: I had a situation like that once. I solved it by migrating the /home from the old VM into a new one. 08:09 <@Evilpig> There isn't much on it. just installing a new vm is always still an option too 08:09 < xray> That would work because the new sparse disk will only take up as much room as the amount of data copied not the full size of the sparse definition. 08:10 <@Dagmar> ...at least until someone tries to zerofill it again 08:10 < _NSAKEY> I've probably got to do that with the "new" VM too, at some point. 08:10 < xray> It is an interesting question. If you write zeros to a sparse drive how do you resize it back to only include the real data? 08:12 < xray> defrag the drive, sdelete -c, resize partition? 08:12 < aestetix> so question 08:12 < aestetix> does windows 10 detect if you have an ssd, and not defrag if so? 08:13 < xray> It may, I'm not sure. I ran into something the other day that made it sound like it treats SSDs different than spinning drives. 08:14 < xray> Looks like I was about right http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-shrink-expand-disks.html 08:14 < PigBot> Title: How to shrink/expand disks in VirtualBox - Tutorial (at www.dedoimedo.com) http://tinyurl.com/25d2sz4 08:15 <@Dagmar> SSDs _are_ treated differently 08:15 <@Dagmar> You can't just zero the unused sectors 08:15 <@Dagmar> An actual ATA command needs to be sent to them to completely free a sector so that wear leveling can take place 08:16 <@Dagmar> _Normally_ the fstrim command handles that every so often 08:16 < xray> At best you can dd the drive with random data until it is full. 08:17 <@Dagmar> sdelete -c does the same thing as fstrim 08:17 < xray> But as Dagmar said wiping unused space like a spinning drive doesn't work. 08:17 <@Dagmar> BOth should result in a sparse disk losing it's excess weight 08:18 < xray> Nope. Try this on a drive. Create a 10GB partition. Run sdelete -c. The partition will still be 10GB. 08:19 < xray> Once space has been allocated in a sparse file it stays allocated unless you act on it from the host file system. In this case on the VM host you shrink the sparse file. 08:20 < xray> Then again what would happen if you ran sdelete -c from the VM host on the sparse file? 08:21 < xray> It might work. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365564(v=vs.85).aspx 08:21 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/nmf9ac6 08:21 < xray> Sparse Files 08:24 < xray> http://www.opalapps.com/sparse_checker/sparse_checker.html 08:24 < PigBot> xray: That URL appears to have no HTML title. 08:25 < xray> "Sparse Checker": The utility for sparse files creation and management 08:49 <@Dagmar> xray: Running sdelete -c on the file from outside the virtual environment? 08:49 <@Dagmar> Yeah, that'll result in it using quite a bit less space on the disk. :) 08:50 <@Dagmar> Quite a bit less space. 08:50 <@Dagmar> heh 09:56 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@50-207-140-34-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@173.14.110.221] has joined #se2600 09:56 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 10:38 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/59lxe9/berkeley_protesters_form_human_chain_to_stop/ 10:38 < aestetix> more fun from the regressive left 10:38 < PigBot> Title: Berkeley protesters form human chain to stop white students from getting to class : news (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/jxefcgf 10:38 < aestetix> or, I guess, more coverage 11:46 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa_] by ChanServ 12:00 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: if I were a bot, why would i be wearing this hat? lolz] 12:01 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 12:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa_] by ChanServ 12:03 -!- klixa_ [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 12:28 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@173.14.110.221] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 12:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 12:57 -!- xray [~xray@boppity.cc.gatech.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:42 <@Evilpig> who's fluent in python? 13:42 <@Evilpig> I'd ask dickie but he's never around 13:42 <@mog> import library 13:42 <@mog> problem solved 13:42 <@Evilpig> mog! 13:42 <@mog> Evilpig, ! 13:43 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:8534:c739:bac9:733f] has joined #se2600 13:52 < aestetix> I see that Apple has taken a page from Nintendo DS 14:03 < aestetix> rattle: did you see the new south park? 14:03 < aestetix> Their take on wikileaks is brilliant. 14:23 <@rattle> No, I haven't been watching South Park in awhile. 14:28 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:39 < aestetix> you're missing out 15:27 <@Dagmar> jesus 15:27 <@Dagmar> I guess it's good that Fidelity is being up front with their victims now 15:28 <@Dagmar> This entire report I got in the mail shows _negative_ gains for every single ten year target for their plans 15:28 <@Dagmar> The only good thing about it is that they're comparing it to some other fund who is apparently on target for losing slightly _more_ of the investor's money 15:28 <@Dagmar> I'll be going with teh mattress fund 16:26 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:8534:c739:bac9:733f] has quit [] 16:43 <@rattle> Ai Weiwei is going to be by the office next week. I'm going to totally fanboy out. 17:15 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 17:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 17:26 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 17:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 17:31 <@Dagmar> Mad respect for keeping that name 18:17 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:bddb:f325:c7c7:6df8] has joined #se2600 21:11 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:03 -!- robogoat [~robogoat@163.172.136.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:13 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhpbjfjffcpbavbr] has joined #se2600 22:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by ChanServ 23:28 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@2607:fcc8:ac80:d900:bddb:f325:c7c7:6df8] has quit [] --- Log closed Fri Oct 28 00:00:34 2016