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04:56 < aestetix> maybe one of you know the answer to this question
04:56 < aestetix> is there any real consensus on what caused the great depression?
06:06 < Shadow404> a western america economy focused on agriculture and the failure of those crops due to overfarming of crops causing soil deteriation and leading to the great dustbowl disaster.
06:06 < Shadow404> Which added to the stock market crash in its own way.
06:06 < Shadow404> then a bunch of other stuff, sorta like a perfect storm of economic disasters
06:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:50  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:51 < aestetix> Shadow404: what about WW1? Surely the US economic got a boost because Europe had destroyed themselves
06:51 < aestetix> Which is also an explanation for the post WW2 boom in the US
07:16 < aestetix> good god
07:16 < aestetix> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/26/students-at-prestigious-boston-school-claim-dress-code-perpetuates-rape-culture.html
07:16 < PigBot> Title: Students at prestigious Boston school claim dress code perpetuates rape culture | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/hmgn6mh
07:33 <@Dagmar> aestetix: If you could not relay to us every piece of idiotic trash you find online, that would be great.  Kthx
07:34 < aestetix> lol
07:34 < aestetix> ok here is something xray will like
07:34 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARZBU8pGO6s
07:34 < PigBot> Title: We the People: Ross Douthat - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hmgzhfz
07:34 <@Dagmar> I'm not making a joke.
07:34 <@Dagmar> For one, it's fucking Fox "News"
07:35 <@Dagmar> They made no effort to find out if even more than one student is saying this
07:35 < xray> book marked for later viewing. thanks
07:35 < xray> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/10/android-phones-rooted-by-most-serious-linux-escalation-bug-ever/
07:35 <@Dagmar> They make no effort to determine if the logic being used is even remotely valid.
07:35 < PigBot> Title: Android phones rooted by “most serious” Linux escalation bug ever | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/j3rzy7g
07:45 < xray> Oh foo. http://gizmodo.com/google-fiber-halts-operations-in-ten-cities-1788214992
07:45 < PigBot> xray: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
07:45 < xray> Google Fiber No Longer Coming to a City Near You
07:46 < aestetix> What's sad is that I've started checking Fox News because the other sources are so bluntly pro Hillary I can't read them anyomre
07:47 <@Dagmar> Since Nashville's not on that list I guess we don't have to burn anything down today
07:47 <@Dagmar> aestetix: you could just use your brain and ignore all the idiotic political ads
07:47 < xray> I was hoping they might extend to my neighborhood but I guess not.
07:47 < aestetix> Dagmar: that would require blocking about half the internet right now
07:47 < xray> sigh.
07:48 < aestetix> xray: I find the layoffs very interesting
07:48 <@Dagmar> aestetix; I can ignore much more than half of the internet without even trying hard
07:48 < aestetix> Also, I thoght google fiber was getting lots of interest, and I'm curious why they need to pull back
07:48 <@Dagmar> Probably because it takes a lot more people to deploy than it does to maintain
07:49 < xray> I had an AT&T guy come to my door and said they now have fiber available in my neighborhood, do I want to sign up.
07:49 < aestetix> But if that were true, they'd just do the layoffs, and not cut the service
07:49 <@Dagmar> For example, if AT&T were deploying a telephone network in this town with the amount of people they use to maintain it, all of Davidson County would have telephone service sometime in late 2026
07:49 < xray> I grilled him and eventually got him to admit that there was not fiber to the neighborhood just fiber to the DSALM.
07:50 <@Dagmar> xray: I just ask them where the fiber ends.  "Oh, so there's no fiber actually coming to my house?  Your technology is still based on copper wires?  Good day, sir."
07:50 < aestetix> "In August, Alphabet CEO Larry Page recommended Craig Barratt cut his staff in half, coming on the heels of a report that the company is shifting its focus to wireless technology"
07:50 < aestetix> That seems ill advised.
07:51 < aestetix> I'm kind of curious if this is due to local monopolies by Comcast
07:51 < xray> Form what I understand Google is scaling back for two reasons. Its hard to get cooperation of all the competing orgs to get right of way for fiber.
07:51 <@opticron> aestetix, they're not cutting the service, just pushing back on cities that are "planned" with no timeline or deals in place
07:51 <@opticron> cities with deadlines already in place (like Huntsville) are still going to get service
07:51 < xray> The second is that there are new wireless technologies that would obviate the need for a physical fiber.
07:51 < aestetix> opticron: the first line of the article says they are "pausing" it
07:51 < xray> Or so they say.
07:51 < aestetix> I took that to mean they are stopping service
07:52 <@opticron> they're pausing looking into new rollouts
07:52 < aestetix> xray: but wireless has many many drawbacks
07:52 < xray> I know. Remember Wimax?
07:52 <@opticron> lol, wimax
07:52 < aestetix> I mean really, if you have a choice between a wired service from AT&T or comcast, and a "wireless" thing from Google
07:53 <@Dagmar> WiMax actually worked really well
07:53 <@Dagmar> That's how the Galaxy S2 had it's "LTE" service.  It was actually WiMax
07:53 < xray> Except it had limited coverage and the bandwidth was meh
07:53 < aestetix> Doesn't wireless also get messy in a lightning storm?
07:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah, you come down to the 12th South area or a few other spots in town during eating times and tell me that regular LTE bandwidth works
07:54 < xray> We used it for years on the Dragon Con EFF track and at PhreakNic 18
07:54 <@Dagmar> _Sprint_ bought ClearWire out and took over their towers
07:54 < xray> And sun spots
07:54 <@Dagmar> ...and now they're phasing it all out.
07:54 < xray> And then killed the product about two years ago
07:55 <@Dagmar> I never had a major problem with it
07:55 <@Dagmar> Even _downtown_
07:56 < xray> if you need someone to blame for the death of Google Fiber - "AT&T and Charter have sued Louisville to stop a new ordinance that gives Google Fiber easier access to utility poles. Google Fiber told us that the lawsuit will not stop it from building in the city."
07:57 < xray> As for the Google wireless - "The wireless technology is cost-effective for multi-unit residential buildings and businesses, but not in suburban single-family homes."
07:57 < aestetix> In places that have good weather
07:57 < aestetix> And no other devices emitting signals that interfere with it
08:02 <@Dagmar> Shit.  Someone tell the cell phone companies to pack up shop and go home because wireless is a shared medium
08:02 < xray> And how much do they charge for data?
08:03 < xray> If you have to ask you can't afford it?
08:26 <@Evilpig> xray: comcrap jumped on the lawsuit bandwagon in nashville too
08:59 <@rattle> This made me think of aestetix.  http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/10/17/giant-inflatable-christmas-tree-faces-protests-because-it-looks-like-a-sex-toy/
08:59 < PigBot> Title: Giant inflatable Christmas tree faces protests because it looks like a sex toy � PinkNews (at www.pinknews.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/qdyou6m
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10:23 <@Dagmar> Depends on whether or not someone caught the error caused by writing to a nonexistant filehandle
11:24 < aestetix> ok
11:24 < aestetix> https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/30593#efmAHtANd
11:24 < PigBot> Title: WikiLeaks - The Podesta Emails (at wikileaks.org) http://tinyurl.com/z5t9onf
11:24 < aestetix> this is kind of interesting
11:25 < aestetix> "Thousands of times every month, we give governments information about Apple customers and devices, in response to warrants and other forms of legal process."
11:26  * aestetix waits for another Dagmar rant
12:03 < Shadow404> just imagine what google gives to authorities...
13:03 <@Dagmar> Not a damn thing now.
13:03 < cyberanger> Are we really sure they give nothing?
13:04 <@Dagmar> Someone I know posted a rather shrill article to Facebook last night about how "GOOGLE IS RECORDING ALL YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND YOU CAN EVEN PULL THESE UP ON THEIR WEBSITES"
13:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah, you follow the link and what do you get?  THe recordings from when you said "Ok, Google.  <recorded query here>"
13:05 <@Dagmar> That's a far fucking cry from what was claimed
13:05 < cyberanger> True
13:05 <@Dagmar> Without your password, Google can't even look at yer stuff because it's all encrypted now
13:05 < cyberanger> I do wonder at times, any chance the NSA (I'd guess via TAO) wasn't tasked to break the encrypted datacenter links to reenable PRISM?
13:05 <@Dagmar> Yep
13:06 <@Dagmar> That's one of the things that pissed off Google enough to make them start encrypting fuckin' everything
13:07 < _NSAKEY> cyberanger: Are you thinking of MUSCULAR?
13:07 < _NSAKEY> That was the program where the NSA tapped the links between the data centers, which lead to one of the Google engineers saying "Fuck these guys" in a blog post.
13:07 <@Dagmar> Finding out that the NSA had been tampering with their internal network segments to capture traffic unencrypted
13:10 < cyberanger> MUSCULAR was a subpart of WINDSTOP, Which is actually what I'm talking about. (But most of the time I'm lucky if they know it as Prism)
13:12  * cyberanger tries very hard not to go all tin foil-hat
13:17 <@Dagmar> Well shit.
13:18 <@Dagmar> Tricksie Bethesda
13:18 <@Dagmar> Now that I have a machine capable of playing Skyrim smoothly, they release an even more massive remaster.
13:19 < cyberanger> lol, that's why I never got into computer gaming (barely even got into console gaming)
13:19 < cyberanger> IRC's requirements don't change much.
13:32 < _NSAKEY> Amen to that. Even emulating old console games properly is a moving target in terms of system requirements.
13:35 < _NSAKEY> If you don't believe me, go read about bsnes/higan on Ars Technica some time.
13:39 < aestetix> so one thing worth noting for folks here
13:39 < aestetix> I have been playing Deus Ex GOTY edition in Wine.
13:39 < aestetix> Which means wine has way better support than I thought
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15:10 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: does it even have those ?  I saw the google assistant ones, which only people with pixels would have
15:11 <@Evilpig> I was amused to see that google was tracking how many times I looked at the clock/hit snooze/etc
15:41 < aestetix> looks like snapchat is headed down the same hole as twitter
15:45 < aestetix> oh wow
15:45 < aestetix> I just realized something
15:45 < aestetix> facebook prides itself on its open office layout
15:45 < aestetix> I wonder how hard it would be to send a series of interns into facebok, specifically to make loud annoying noises
15:45 < aestetix> and then let them disrupt things over time, and make facebook miserable in general
15:46 < aestetix> just someone who claims to be sick all the time, or has loud annoying phone calls
15:46 < aestetix> etc
15:47 < xray> They have a name for people like that - unemployed.
15:47 < aestetix> well yes
15:47 < aestetix> the idea would be to send in interns, especially black/gay/disabled/etc
15:47 < aestetix> and have them become a general nuisance
15:48 < aestetix> especially if they make facebook afraid they could get sued for discrimination
15:48 < xray> I saw something the other day that FB was having problems getting programmers because of the open office.
15:48 < xray> http://calnewport.com/blog/2016/10/09/is-facebooks-massive-open-office-scaring-away-developers/
15:49 < xray> Is Facebook’s Massive Open Office Scaring Away Developers?
15:52 < aestetix> facebook also does this thing I do not understand
15:52 < aestetix> I think it's like every three months they do team rotation
15:52 < aestetix> where you have to move your whole team to a different area
16:08 < aestetix> ok Dagmar sorry in advance
16:08 < aestetix> but this one is gold
16:08 < aestetix> http://reason.com/blog/2016/10/26/video-uc-berkeley-protesters-built-a-hum
16:08 < PigBot> Title: Video: UC-Berkeley Protesters Built a Human Wall to Violently Stop White Students from Crossing Bridge - Hit & Run : Reason.com (at reason.com) http://tinyurl.com/jzqyzw9
16:14 <@Dagmar> Cor... What bitches
16:15 <@Dagmar> As a "white" man I would take it as a personal challenge to blast through their line like so much wheat
16:15 <@Dagmar> Racist bullshit is still racist bullshit, no matter who it's targeting
16:16 <@Dagmar> The author of the article is pretty sensble about it.  Divisive behaviour is not good.
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16:32 < aestetix> more recent article
16:32 < aestetix> http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/White-Cal-students-blocked-at-Sather-Gate-in-10414775.php
16:32 < PigBot> Title: Cal students blocked at Sather Gate in safe space protest - SFGate (at www.sfgate.com) http://tinyurl.com/jhwlru9
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18:16 < fie> mdk
18:16 < fie> mdk
18:16 < fie> Where is simon phoenix when you need him
18:17 < fie> I feel like a fogey, but fuck those kids
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