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07:24 < v4mp> mog: don't you think it's a bit harsh to reconcile "assasnge is and has always been a joke" with your thought that wikileaks is a "good idea"?
07:25 < v4mp> and on an unrelated note, wtf is up with all these netsplits recently
07:26 < v4mp> I know that freenode announced a bunch a few days ago, but they keep happening
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10:05 < aestetix> am I the only one watching the outrage over trump's comments and wondering when the left became so puritan?
10:07 < aestetix> I mean this is the same demographic who supported george carlin's 7 words lawsuit?
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11:01 < aestetix> you know
11:01 < aestetix> it just occcured to me
11:01 < aestetix> if south park wants to parody politics
11:01 < aestetix> they could bring back lemmiwinks
11:53 < TheDukh> Haven't they done turd sandwich // douche for each presidential election cycle?
12:15 < TheDukh> Ha.  Wikileaks exposed Hillary for bigotry.  Other news, Fall brings out pumpkin spice everything.
12:16 < aestetix> for bigotry?
12:16 < TheDukh> stance on Gay marriage
12:16 < TheDukh> publicly for it, against it otherwise.
12:17 < aestetix> jesus how many of these fucking emails are there
12:18 < aestetix> rattle: you're in for a fun time
12:18 < aestetix> round three of the emails has been released
12:18 < rattle> I'm already aware.
12:20 < aestetix> This election is starting to resemble the Trojan War
12:23 < aestetix> I'm also hoping some evidence comes out tying wikileaks to russia
12:30 < xray> By tied do you mean that wikileaks was created by them?
12:30 < aestetix> no
12:31 < aestetix> I mean that this latest leak was guided by russia
12:31 < xray> Guided in what way?
12:31 < aestetix> rattle seems to seem so, and I believe him.
12:32 < xray> As in giving directions how what to disclose and when?
12:32 < aestetix> This is all just opinion, but in many ways, Hillary represents the establishment that's been running the US for the last 30+ years. The same establishment that destroyed the Soviet economy.
12:32 < aestetix> So now that Russia seems to be regaining ground, it makes sense that they'd seek to retaliate against that establishment.
12:33 < xray> Such is the trouble with publishing what ever is provided regardless of the source. Especially when you really don't know the source.
12:33 < aestetix> Actually one thing that would be very interesting to me....
12:33 < aestetix> John Podesta seems to have used a gmail account.
12:33 < aestetix> Google probably has access records.
12:33 < xray> It becomes very easy to weave a tapestry by what is not known for certain.
12:33 < aestetix> I'd be interested to see what IP address downloaded all these emails.
12:34 < aestetix> xray: agreed
12:36 < xray> If it is the Russians I think Wikileaks is an unwitting accomplice. If it wasn't Wikileaks it would be someone else.
12:37 < aestetix> WL already has a reputation though
12:37 < xray> Yes, but not necessarily collusion with their sources.
12:38 < xray> I think they can be played as a fool.
12:38 < aestetix> I would agree
12:38 < aestetix> On the other hand, it is refreshing to finally see a glipse of transparency
12:38 < aestetix> Obama has been fucking awful over that.
12:39 < xray> We are talking about politicians. If their lips are moving they are lying and when they are not they lie by omission.
12:39 < aestetix> I have several friends who have had to flee the united states due to the Obama justice department.
12:39 < aestetix> I'm really pretty unhappy with him.
12:40 < xray> As it has been said. Anyone who wishes to have the job of politician is not fit to hold the office.
12:40 < aestetix> indeed
12:50 < aestetix> The first two releases were around 2000 emails, the third one was a little over 1000 emails
12:50 < aestetix> they said they have 50k emails total
12:50 < aestetix> is this going to be a new dump every day until the election?
12:53 < xray> Do you think it will make a difference?
12:53 < TheDukh> Prolly not.
12:54 < TheDukh> people are already set in who they are going to vote for, regardless of what the candidates do, just because of party siding.
12:55 <@Dagmar> Reason and logic don't figure into this at all
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12:56 < aestetix> I have no idea anymore.
12:56 < aestetix> If you'd asked me a year ago, I would have said Trump would be laughed out after the first debate.
12:57 < xray> Trump has a purpose. It's to insure Hillary wins>
12:57 < aestetix> I think Hillary has underestimated just how fucked the middle class is.
12:59 < TheDukh> I don't think Hillary cares.
12:59 < aestetix> She certainly doesn't.
13:00 < aestetix> But it's why Trump is so popular.
13:00 < TheDukh> To be fair, it's also because he's in the WWE hall of fame.
13:02 < xray> Trump is a symptom of a broken political system.
13:02 < xray> We are currently split between two ideals.
13:02 < aestetix> political, economic, intellectual....
13:03 < xray> 1. The government can save us if we turn over our free will to it.
13:03 < xray> 2. The government has failed us and we need something new.
13:03 < xray> People who believe 1 vote for Hillary
13:04 < xray> People who believe 2 vote for trump.
13:04 < xray> People who believe Hillary is not a good thing for the country will vote for Trump just to keep Hillary from winning.
13:05 < xray> Sadly none of this will help. It is destined that Hillary will win.
13:05 < aestetix> Well at the moment I would say that winning the 2016 POTUS election is a bit like fucking a realdoll
13:06 < aestetix> The motions are there, but it's fake and everyone knows it.
13:06 < xray> Have you ever considered that Hillary winning is just desearts.
13:06 <@opticron> I'd take the realdoll over this election
13:07 < xray> Or however you spell it.
13:07 <@opticron> at least I'd be doing the fucking instead of getting fucked
13:08 < xray> Dessert
13:08 < xray> I had to look it up.
13:09 < aestetix> I look at it this way. Hillary winning is like dying of cancer. Trump winnning is like getting hit by a car.
13:09 < aestetix> Either way, you're fucked.
13:09 < xray> Pretty much
13:10 < aestetix> The media is so fucking hell bent on making sure Hillary gets elected, it has removed any belief I had that the US might still have independent media
13:10 < xray> The only substantiative difference between the democrats and the republicans is how fast they are driving the nation off the cliff.
13:11 < xray> Neither has any intention of changing direction.
13:11 < aestetix> The one thing I will say about that
13:11 < aestetix> The democrats keep complaining Obama has been blocked by Congress nonstop.
13:11 < aestetix> They have clearly forgotten LBJ
13:11 < aestetix> He was a master politician, Obama is a shitty politician.
13:12 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You didn't already draw that conclusion when Obama won in 2008? They simply wouldn't accept any other possibility.
13:12 < aestetix> What I'm saying is that LBJ found ways through the blockage.
13:12 < aestetix> He passed the first civil rights law since the civil war.
13:12 < _NSAKEY> No, I meant that line about the media being hell-bent on Hillary winning.
13:12 < aestetix> oh
13:12 < _NSAKEY> They did exactly the same thing in 2008 with Obama.
13:12 < xray> Now matter how you dress it up, the democrats are socialists.
13:13 < _NSAKEY> Watching them switch from Hillary to Obama in 2008 was the only real excitement in that race, aside from McCain picking a woman as his nominee.
13:13 < xray> And their wet dream is full on communism.
13:13 < aestetix> I'm not saying Obama is stupid. I think he's a brilliant lawyer.
13:13 < aestetix> But he's a godawful politician.
13:14 < _NSAKEY> I'm not saying either. I'm saying the media was as hell-bent on him winning in 2008 as they are on Hillary winning in 2016.
13:14 < xray> I think hell bent is quite descriptive.
13:15 < _NSAKEY> The only thing that stopped her in 2008 is that she didn't have one of her bought people running the DNC at the time, but she fixed that by (probably) promising Tim Kaine the VP slot for 2016 and getting her own person in his place.
13:15 < _NSAKEY> But on the other hand, we have Donald Trump. I don't think that requires any elaboration.
13:15 < xray> Agreed.
13:16 < aestetix> Trump reminds me of... what's that little bug they have that goes around netflix's servers breaking things
13:16 < _NSAKEY> Chaos Monkey.
13:16 < aestetix> yes
13:16 < aestetix> Trump is a chaos monkey
13:17 < _NSAKEY> This is relevant to my current belief system: https://www.teepublic.com/show/528922-giant-meteor-2016-t-shirt
13:17 < xray> LoL
13:17 < aestetix> xray: are you familiar with William F Buckley?
13:18 < xray> Most definitely.
13:18 < aestetix> Cool. Most people today have no clue who he is.
13:18 < aestetix> Which is a shame, since he's the father of the current GOP
13:18 < xray> I throughly enjoyed watching him verbally skewer liberals.
13:18 < aestetix> well
13:19 < aestetix> there's an episode of Firing Line from like 1998 where he has Ann Coulter as a guest
13:19 < aestetix> And he destroys her
13:19 < xray> If he were still alive I don't think he would think much of the republicans either.
13:19 < aestetix> Oh, he wouldn't.
13:20 < xray> Do you mean this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL0OxsWlbx4
13:20 < aestetix> holy shit
13:20 < aestetix> yes
13:21 < aestetix> well that's not the full video
13:21 < aestetix> but yeah
13:23 < aestetix> if you watch that video, she's all taking points, and he destroys her with substance
13:27 < xray> The video It was just getting good when it ended. I looked for the entire video but couldn't find it. Will have to look later.
13:27 < aestetix> There's a point in it where he basically says "look kid, calm down, let's discuss this rationally"
13:28 < aestetix> xray: you'd like this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_Enemies_(film)
13:35 < xray> That looks interesting.
13:36 < aestetix> ok I'm tired, heading afk for the night
14:22 <@Dagmar> *facepalm*
14:23 <@Dagmar> Found a way to break the shit out of Android without Android Studio carping.  :)
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16:01 <@Dagmar> !@#@!#
16:01 <@Dagmar> Apparently the faucet repair I did yesterday was a success... I thought the dripping was coming from the hot tap, but this morning... very clearly cold water.
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23:44 <@Dagmar> Bahahahaha http://blog.dihaw.com/integrating-zxing-in-your-android-app-as-standalone-scanner/
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