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02:30 < aestetix> no wonder politics in the US in 2016 is so hard
02:30 < aestetix> nothing means what it did 30 years ago
02:30 < aestetix> liberals have nothing to do with liberty, everything about massive government
02:30 < aestetix> conservatives are all about military and oil
02:30 < aestetix> and libertarians have been branded bigots because they support individual rights
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06:02 < aestetix> I stupidly engaged with RangerZ on twitter
06:02 < aestetix> it only took like five minutes for him to start making personal attacks on me
06:02 < aestetix> which I do not blame him for, I blame twitter
06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:25  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:35 < aestetix> good god
06:35 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxZskltvQA
06:35 < PigBot`> Title: Roseanne Barr on Trump, Hillary, Black Lives Matter, and More - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jyqto53
06:35 < aestetix> what happened to Roseanne
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07:36 <@opticron> she lost about 2 people's worth of weight
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08:56 <@benthemeek> aestetix: Listened to that interview. She comes across as a nut to me. I don't know if there is some profound stuff underneath but she is definitely having difficulty explaining her ideas around the profanity and broad generalizations.
08:58 < aestetix> benthemeek: yep
08:58 <@benthemeek> Maybe she is high
08:58 <@benthemeek> She can't seem to stick to a coherent narrative and explain all her ideas together.
08:59 < xray> ideas <> feelings. Thats part of the problem.
09:00 < aestetix> I thought she might be high
09:00 < xray> Not uncommon to have feelings that are based on cognitive dissonance. When you try to explain them it's like trying to explain a dream which made all kinds of sense while you were having it but not som much after the fact.
09:01 < xray> Apparently I can't type, need more coffee.
09:01 < aestetix> benthemeek: I'll be honest, I only got halfway through it
09:03 <@benthemeek> Someone who I really connect with is Penn Jillete
09:03 < aestetix> She also seems to really love what is going on in the world
09:03 < aestetix> which scares me a bit. I see lots of violence and hate
09:04 <@benthemeek> I can listen to him talk about ideas endlessly. I just find him rather engaging and I can understand his way of talking
09:04 < xray> It is certainly covered a lot in the media but statistically it is going down per capita.
09:05 < aestetix> What's also interesting....
09:05 < aestetix> I tend to be more libertarian, in the sense that I think ultimately, it falls on the individual to rise above their situation and succeed
09:06 < aestetix> Circumstances help, but look at how many rich kids wind up drug addict losers
09:06 < xray> agreed
09:06 <@benthemeek> I honestly struggle back and forth to the degree of which I am a libertarian
09:06 < aestetix> And this view is apparently radical among so called liberals, to the point where I have been accused of being racist
09:07 <@benthemeek> Sometimes I have my doubts about a truly anarcho system because of studies I read such as things like "The commons game" etc
09:07 < aestetix> This is also why any talk that begins with "I want to start by admitting I am privileged blah blah" I tend to turn off immediately
09:07 <@benthemeek> I don't wonder if humans sometimes need the threat of a big goverment to make them behave ethically
09:07 < aestetix> If I wanted to see self-flagellation I'd go to a catholic church ;)
09:08 < aestetix> benthemeek: that's sort of the point of Hobbes Leviathan
09:08 <@benthemeek> heh
09:08 < aestetix> aka it's not a new idea
09:09 < aestetix> Then again, maybe being in California turned me into a republican, if for no other reason than jesus the hippies are fucking annoying
09:09 <@benthemeek> Oh I know, but I want to the see the point where the rubber hits the road with philosophy verses actual social psychology
09:09 <@benthemeek> I guess I want a system that works even if doesn't conform to any of the exact ideals present
09:09 < aestetix> See that's the thing
09:09 <@benthemeek> pragmatism above all :P
09:09 < aestetix> I was just in an argument with someone who was saying life in the US sucks
09:10 < aestetix> And I pointed out that it's so much worse in Russia.
09:10 < aestetix> (I have been to Moscow, it was very eye opening)
09:10 < aestetix> The response: "just because there is worse, does not make bad good"
09:10 < aestetix> I said, ok, what is bad, what is a better situation, and what's the best way to get there?
09:10 < aestetix> at which point they shut up
09:12 <@benthemeek> I think anyone who intellectually honest has to answer "I am not certain" to that question
09:13 <@benthemeek> And if you can come to the discussion with that kind of humility then it's a start
09:13 < aestetix> well this is why I oppose black lives matter
09:13 < xray> I've lived all over the world and I can say without reservation that it is way better here than any where else I have been.
09:13 < aestetix> I hear things suck. I do not hear how to make them better.
09:13 < aestetix> xray: I live in Berlin, which is great in many ways (health care), but we do not have free speech
09:13 < aestetix> and yeah let me tell you about the refugee drama going on... :p
09:14 < xray> That's true for most of the world.
09:14 < xray> Free speech is almost uniq to the U.S.
09:14 < aestetix> yep
09:17 <@benthemeek> The tradgedy in the US about free speech is the move by millennials in college campuses to censor and create "safe spaces".
09:18 < aestetix> Well it's funny that multiple generations have worked to make life great for their children
09:18 <@benthemeek> The pressure is from the students themselves and not the faculty which has dangerous ramifications for future laws I think
09:18 < aestetix> And now we have generation that is systematically rejecting it and working to destroy themselves
09:19 <@benthemeek> You have read that article a while back called "The coddling of the american mind"?
09:20 < aestetix> yep
09:20 < aestetix> I mean is this how thing are at vanderbilt?
09:20 <@benthemeek> I am kind of a fan boy for one of the social psychologist who co-wrote it (Johnathon Haidt)
09:21 <@benthemeek> I have no idea about Vandy, but I do know there is some of this going on at MTSU
09:22 < aestetix> Why don't the faculty and staff just stop putting up with it?
09:22 <@benthemeek> I have several friends who work as adjuncts or are tenured there
09:23 < aestetix> the point point of tenure is to be able to say things that are unpopular
09:23 <@benthemeek> aestetix: You can't kill as idea ;) even bad ones
09:23 <@benthemeek> an*
09:24 < aestetix> I don't mean kill it
09:24 < aestetix> I mean fight back and say "no we are not putting trigger warnings in our classes"
09:24 < aestetix> and so on
09:25 <@benthemeek> I think the people I know are deeply empathetic and compassionate people, and it is difficult to navigate that water
09:25 <@benthemeek> trying to find the middle road
09:25 < aestetix> All I will say is I am so glad I'm not in an american university these days
09:26 <@benthemeek> One of the unwritten rules of compassion seems to be to care alot about how you are perceived by others. So it is almost fighting against nature to stop this kind of thing, espeacilly if it may make you look bad
09:27 < aestetix> The United States dropped the atomic bomb on Japan to ensure a quick and swift end to the war.
09:27 < aestetix> That's compassion if I ever saw it.
09:27 <@benthemeek> its a real mess and the more I know about it the less I know anything about how to fix it other than wishing the students took responsibility for their own feelings and not project them on others
09:27 < aestetix> Probably an extreme example ;)
09:27 < aestetix> But the teachers are not paid to be therapists, they are paid to teach
09:27 < aestetix> Nor are they skilled at therapy
09:28 < aestetix> Isn't part of the point of education to get the fuck over yourself?
09:28 <@benthemeek> If everyone defined it that way, ether wouldn't be a problem ;)
09:29 <@benthemeek> The hard part is trying to find the monster or the bad guy in all of it because even the SJWs are trying to make the world in a better place as they see it.
09:30 <@benthemeek> Anyway I have had many discussions about such and I wont bore you with it  :P
09:32 < aestetix> Hitler was also trying to make the world a better place.
09:32 < aestetix> This time I'm not being hyperbolic.
09:33 <@benthemeek> I know, I think a good starting place for dealing with any social ill is understanding every side thinks they have the answer and are not malicious or "evil"
09:35 <@benthemeek> I have no idea how to fix this, how do get people to desire to have their assumptions and ideas confronted and destroyed. I think if you have those kind of people, and an educational environment that fulfills that duty it would all go away.
09:36 < aestetix> well also
09:36 < aestetix> I think there's a lot of idolizing of the 1960s
09:36 < aestetix> even though IMHO the reason the protests then got so big was vietnam, which is totally different from iraq
09:36 < aestetix> (ie the draft)
09:37 < aestetix> but I dunno. maybe give them a few years to grow the fuck up?
09:38 <@benthemeek> the pendulum will swing back eventually, just what will we have to put up with in the mean time :P and I have a 13 year old now.
09:38 < aestetix> is your 13 year old passionate about black lives matter?
09:38 < xray> Will the country survive long enough for it to swing back?
09:45 < aestetix> under president trump, absolutely ;)
09:45 < aestetix> the only thing worse than that is president hillary
09:45 < aestetix> and the only thing worse than that is president trump
09:45 <@benthemeek> She is a malleable mind right now
09:46 <@benthemeek> anyone could convince her of anything
09:46 < aestetix> benthemeek: give me her email address :p
09:46 < aestetix> I'll take her on a tour of reddit
09:50 <@benthemeek> heh, I am sure I will have an interesting road in front of me
09:51 < aestetix> Yeah, your conversations will turn from "kid, what does that word mean?" to "oh god do not tell me"
09:53 < xray> Hillary belongs in jail. Trump is a symptom of a broken political system.
10:01 < TheDukh> http://www.dailyindependent.com/news/bevin-voicemail-implies-retribution-against-lawmaker/article_a88d56dc-6ea9-11e6-956f-a3060a3ac6e8.html
10:01 < PigBot`> Title: Bevin voicemail implies retribution against lawmaker | News | dailyindependent.com (at www.dailyindependent.com) http://tinyurl.com/gtof7uz
10:01 < TheDukh> I love Kentucky politics.
10:01 < aestetix> benthemeek: I have a situation here that would interest you
10:01 < aestetix> One of my colleagues has his children at the office today
10:02 < aestetix> Two little girls, I think maybe 3 and 4
10:02 < aestetix> They both speak fluent german and french, no english
10:02 < aestetix> It is very, very strange trying to say hello to a nice little girl when she can barely understand you
10:02 < aestetix> and then to hear them effortlessly talking in the language I have been struggling to learn :p
10:03 < aestetix> actually maybe a little older. I dunno preschool?
10:06 <@benthemeek> wow, those are two very different languages
10:07 <@benthemeek> aestetix: You need to watch Muzzy
10:10 <@benthemeek> https://youtu.be/XuIsdThzVdU?list=PLRHIY2B0-uu2Fc4YFX8txwLcRaxrOAtdu
10:10 < PigBot`> Title: Muzzy in Gondoland 1 French HD / muzzy in gondoland with subtitles - YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/z7k3e85
10:13 <@benthemeek> ITs sort of like a rosetta stone thing. They made a cartoon and have it in all different languages. You watch your language then you watch the others and can figure out what each word means
10:14 <@benthemeek> My wife bought the french/english version when my kids were really little, though how much they actually remember now I wonder.
10:15 <@benthemeek> (My wife took french in high school, while my foreign language was computer repair and technical drawing :P )
10:24 < aestetix> I took french in high school too
10:25 < aestetix> 5 years of french, and at this point I know german probably better than french
10:25 < aestetix> it helps that my weekly german lessons are.... in germany :)
10:26 < aestetix> und gestern habe ich ein Browser plugin fÃü machen umlaut characters installiert ;)
10:26 < aestetix> aber nicht ein IRC plugin...
10:29 < aestetix> wait
10:29 < aestetix> Muzzy....
10:29 < aestetix> were there commercials for this on PBS in the late 80s and early 90s?
10:29 < aestetix> this looks vaguely familiar
10:32 < aestetix> it's funny how the french say bonjour, the germans say guten tag, but the americans say "hi"
10:52 <@rattle> The New Right, ladies and gentlemen..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
10:52 < PigBot`> Title: Rudy Giuliani in Drag Smooching Donald Trump - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/cek4rdf
10:53 < aestetix> rattle: does this complement the new left that is causing issues on school campuses?
10:53 <@rattle> Possibly.  After seeing that video, I really could use a safe space.
10:54 < aestetix> wow
10:55 < aestetix> I wish Berlosconi could run for POTUS
11:00 < aestetix> ok what the hell
11:00 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/30/nyregion/anthony-weiner-sexting-huma-abedin.html
11:01 < aestetix> why
11:01 < PigBot`> "Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 302: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.\nThe last 30x error message was:\nFound. http://tinyurl.com/zht98bf"
11:01 < aestetix> she's hot
11:12 <@Dagmar> CDProject's Witcher III has a 3.9Gb patch today for a game that's a year old.
11:12 <@Dagmar> Hello Games' No Man's Sky still isn't patching more than trivial graphical bugs.
11:12 <@Dagmar> Fuck those guys
11:14 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes, I've no idea why they'd pitch that article without showing us the junk in question
11:19 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: So... RimWorld.  Seriously.
11:56 < aestetix> HAHAHAHA
11:56 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdmBqJLYcU
11:56 < PigBot`> Title: SJW BERATES LYFT DRIVER - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zrndwce
11:57 < aestetix> this is amazing
12:01 < aestetix> This is probaly the worst, stupidest, and funniest SJW video I have ever seen
12:03 <@Evilpig> rimworld?  to the googles!
12:06 < aestetix> http://economiccollapsenews.com/2016/08/30/fail-sjw-annaliese-nielsen-berates-lyft-driver-over-dashboard-doll-video/
12:06 < PigBot`> Title: Fail: SJW Annaliese Nielsen berates Lyft driver over dashboard doll (video) | Economic Collapse News (at economiccollapsenews.com) http://tinyurl.com/zzr275u
12:06 < aestetix> article about it
12:09 <@Dagmar> Summary: "Self obsessed twat makes ass of self in public"
12:09 < aestetix> oh wow
12:09 < aestetix> it gets better
12:09 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/tornadoliese/status/770118460290498560
12:09 < PigBot`> Title: Annaliese on Twitter: "Timeline of events. 1- Annaliese spazzes out. 2- Lauren makes video. 3- Annaliese changes handle to @dickyfeynman. 4- I snag this handle." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5lw44m
12:09 < aestetix> The SJW tried to change her twitter handle to get away from the drama, and someone snatched it while she wasn't using it
12:09 < aestetix> how fucking dumb can you be
12:10 < aestetix> this is so fucking hilarious
12:10 <@Dagmar> It's impressive she's gone this long without getting the magical clue that she is utterly and completely wrong about the hula doll
12:12 <@Dagmar> They're no more "racist" than that woman's hair is
12:13 < aestetix> wow this twitter account is something else
12:14 < aestetix> lyft apparently fired the driver over this
12:14 < aestetix> which is the stupidest possible PR move they could have made
12:14 < aestetix> HAHAHA
12:14 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/tornadoliese/status/769981019277631489
12:14 < PigBot`> Title: Annaliese on Twitter: ".@Lauren_Southern hacked me and stole my video. I have proof in backtrace IP logs. On the phone with FBI. Twitter is evaluating situation." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zmkzmu9
12:15 < aestetix> what are backtrace IP logs
12:15 <@Evilpig> you dun goofed
12:21 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: shouldn't you be wow expansioning it today?
12:36 < TheDukh> huh, that did drop today. guess that's why alot of folks in engineering called off
13:09 < aestetix> penis
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13:36 <@Dagmar> Evipig: Possibly, but I'm dealing with some stupid head cold nonsense today and I don't care to deal with the noobflood
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21:38 < aestetix> anyone here use a thinkpad?
21:49 <@Dagmar> The tablet or the laptop?
21:50 <@Dagmar> I've used the laptops before
21:51 <@Dagmar> Some of them have some exceptionally fancy anti-theft features
22:12 < d34dbug> I use a pencil version laptop
22:12 < d34dbug> *lenovo
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22:31 < aestetix> Dagmar: laptops
22:32 < aestetix> basically my clit keeps falling off
22:32 < aestetix> wondering if it's worth it to get a replacement clit, or if I have to buy another keyboard
22:32 <@Dagmar> Go to the hardware store, get some *blue* Loc-Tite
22:32 <@Dagmar> Yes, the stuff you put on the sides of screws that keep working themselves out.
22:32 < aestetix> or whatever the german equivalent is :p
22:33 <@Dagmar> It's probably Loc-Tite with an umlaut over the o.
22:33 <@Dagmar> But basically, you know what I'm talking about.
22:33 < aestetix> http://www.loctite.de/homepage.htm
22:33 < aestetix> haha
22:33 < PigBot`> Title: Loctite - Industrielle Kleb- und Dichtstoffe - Loctite (at www.loctite.de) http://tinyurl.com/jr8l3tx
23:07 <@Dagmar> Just be sure you get the blue, not the red.  The red is "penetrating" i.e., _permanent_.
23:08 <@Dagmar> If you decide you want that you might as well go get a thick cyanocrylate.
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23:08 <@Dagmar> ...although it won't really stick to the rubber as well as red loc-tite
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