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04:06 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/07/armed-muggers-use-pokemon-go-to-find-victims/
04:24 < aestetix> what is pokemon go
04:24 < aestetix> I am hearing a lot about it now
04:33 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: A chance for manchildren to remember what life was like before puberty.
04:33 < aestetix> uh
04:33 < aestetix> because they hit puberty after 2000, or whever pokemon came out?
04:34 < _NSAKEY> Toss Ingress and Pokemon in a blender. The result is Pokemon Go.
04:34 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I'm going to guess that most of the people playing it now were part of Pokemon's target demographic when it first came out in the U.S. So, pretty much, yeah.
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07:19 < aestetix> the demon arises
07:19 < aestetix> rattle: how goes?
07:19 < aestetix> rattle: you'll like the video series I am watching
07:19 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2Rq4HJBxw
07:19 < PigBot> Title: Justice: Whats The Right Thing To Do? Episode 02: "PUTTING A PRICE TAG ON LIFE" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hbbcbyk
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07:45 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Such news articles are like reporting on what the mailman was doing when aliens landed on your roof
07:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Stop being an idiot.
07:46 < aestetix> ....
07:46 < aestetix> how am I being an idiot?
07:46 <@Dagmar> Have an adult explain it to you.
07:46 < aestetix> no seriously what did I do
07:47 < aestetix> are you upset about the link I just shard?
07:47 < aestetix> shared*
07:48 < aestetix> beyond that it seems like you're just being a grump
07:49 <@Dagmar> Both you and NSAKEY were both talking shit about people who you've never met and know nothing about
07:50 < aestetix> ohhh you're pissy about the pokemon go comments
07:50 <@Dagmar> You haven't relayed any SJW-flamebait bullshit links to the channel today, _so far_ but I'm sure you will when you get some
07:50 <@Dagmar> ...and the genitals thing is MONTHS stale now
07:50 < aestetix> Now I'm even more confused
07:51 <@Dagmar> Yes.  Find a grown-up to explain to you the basics of civilized behavious.
07:51 <@Dagmar> s/behavious/behaviour/
07:51 < aestetix> But the link I just shared had nothing to do with SJW stuff
07:51 < aestetix> And the pokemon thing was clarifying questions because I still have no idea what pokemon go is
07:52 < aestetix> and fwiw I basically quit twitter over the last month :)
07:56 < aestetix> Dagmar: any other issues, or are we cleared up now?
07:58 < TheDukh> Apparently Pokemon: Go increased Nintendo's valuation by 7.5 billion over 2 days....
07:58 < aestetix> https://www.similarweb.com/blog/pokemon-go
07:58 < aestetix> I'm reading this now to find out what this thing is
07:59 < TheDukh> augmented reality where pokemon are super-imposed on your phone's camera based off GPS coordinates.  object is to try to catch them so you can be the very best, like no one ever was
08:02 < aestetix> so I don't understand the appeal
08:02 < aestetix> then again, I don't have a cell phone
08:03 <@Dagmar> TheDukh: The sheer number of people who have been running around playing it is simply staggering
08:04 <@opticron> it's pretty crazy
08:04 <@opticron> 95% of the people I saw in downtown hsv were glued to their phones
08:05 < aestetix> So the way I understand it..... you're at the train station or whatever, and you get a buzz on your phone, and you can tap the screen and "collect" a pokemon?
08:05 <@Dagmar> If your head is lodged far, far up your ass, sure.
08:05 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Aside from the manchildren jab, what part of my commentary has been trolling?
08:06 < _NSAKEY> The idiots in Missouri are clearly a fringe case, and the dead body thing was a joke.
08:06 < aestetix> Dagmar: ok how am I wrong
08:06 <@Dagmar> Singular acts of dumb aren't worth comment
08:06 < _NSAKEY> The people Nintendo targeted Pokemon at in the 90s are in their mid to late 20s now, and most of them probably had not hit puberty by 1998.
08:07 <@Dagmar> A regular pattern of idiocy, and I'm going to say something
08:07 < aestetix> And where has this idiocy been demonstrated today?
08:07 < aestetix> I mean I absolutely claim ignorance to understand pokemon go
08:07 < aestetix> but that's not idiocy
08:08 <@Dagmar> It's every damn day with you
08:08 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I think he's referring to the guys in Missouri who were robbing people.
08:08 < aestetix> Dagmar: ok. What have I said or done today?
08:08 <@Dagmar> Have someone who fucking cares explain it to you
08:09 < aestetix> You clearly do care because you keep yelling at me about it, even though you won't tell me what it is.
08:10  * aestetix shrugs it off
08:11 < aestetix> ok so
08:11 < aestetix> "Of course that hasn't stopped me from sinking a lot of time into it this weekend. I've spent $10 on it, which is easily a record for free to play game for me."
08:11 < aestetix> from a comment
08:11 < aestetix> what kinds of in-game purchases are there?
08:13 <@sdodson> you buy coins, coins buy other things
08:13 < aestetix> holy shit it's sdodson
08:13 <@sdodson> hi
08:13 < aestetix> sdodson: coming to HOPE?
08:13 <@sdodson> No, I've not kept up any of that stuff for years.
08:14 <@sdodson> I just realized I'm always on freenode so I figured I'd re-join this channel.
08:14 <@sdodson> on freenode for work
08:14 < aestetix> sdodson: also, important question...... systemd?
08:14 <@sdodson> That's not a question, systemd is the answer.
08:15  * Evilpig punches sdodson in the nuts
08:15 < aestetix> It's an answer. The question is, is it a good answer for everyone ;)
08:15 <@sdodson> Sure why not?
08:15 <@sdodson> It's everywhere I care about.
08:16 < aestetix> You could say the same thing about cancer.
08:16 < aestetix> sdodson: then again, it has created a schism in germany, for obvious reasons
08:17 <@sdodson> aestetix: I'm not atune to those obvious reasons.
08:17 < aestetix> the reason being Leonard.
08:18 < aestetix> sdodson: you should come to HOPE
08:18 < aestetix> it's in I think two weeks
08:20 <@sdodson> aestetix: I'm moving house in two weeks.
08:21 <@sdodson> aestetix: As far as I know the only factions still resistant to systemd are docker and slackware.
08:21 < aestetix> yes, and slackware just put out a new release
08:22 < aestetix> systemd violates the fundamental tenet of linux philosphy
08:22 <@Evilpig> ^
08:22 < aestetix> unless you consider "totalitarian dictator" being the one thing it does
08:23 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I still don't know why Debian didn't just drop GNOME completely.
08:23 <@sdodson> aestetix: nah
08:24 < _NSAKEY> They had pushed it from being the default GUI in favor of Xfce in Wheezy, and a lot of the systemd-specific garbage assumes GNOME.
08:24 < _NSAKEY> They could have dropped the packages and told everyone to deal with it.
08:24 <@sdodson> You sound like all those people complaining about Windows 7 because Windows 95 sucked.
08:24 <@sdodson> systemd is incredibly modular now
08:25 <@Evilpig> until you try to ignore a module
08:25 < _NSAKEY> sdodson: I won't trust systemd until Poettering has moved on to the next thing to fuck up, and a few years have passed.
08:25 <@Dagmar> It also has a major case of NIH syndrome
08:25 < aestetix> sdodson: if you're comparing systemd to microsoft windows, I will accept that comparison
08:26 < _NSAKEY> PulseAudio has never worked correctly for me, for example. My method of getting audio on Linux? "apt-get purge pulseaudio"
08:26 < aestetix> systemd is like the final solution to the gnu/linux problem
08:27 < _NSAKEY> It sort of works now, as opposed to not working at all, but there's too many glitches and none of the documentation I found would fix everything. So, my solution remains to purge.
08:27 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: By morphing it into GNU/systemd/Linux?
08:27 <@sdodson> No, it has a major case of a new way of solving problems that were previously solved by shoehorning a solution into the constraints of 25 years ago. Of course it's going to look and feel different when you free yourself of all that.
08:28 < aestetix> sdodson: or you know, you could let people have a choice over which method they prefer
08:29 < _NSAKEY> sdodson: What's your opinion of dumping logs into a binary?
08:29 <@sdodson> _NSAKEY: There's plenty of ways to log to a file, I'm not concerned.
08:29 <@Dagmar> So... since the system that works is already in place, but is awkward on 4% of the use cases, it needs refactoring in a compiled language?
08:30 <@Dagmar> ...and don't try and pretend about the other shit it comes with, particularly the bullshit that is binary logs
08:30 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: It doesn't need a refactoring. It needs to be molded into the image of Lennart "Jesus" Poettering.
08:30 < _NSAKEY> There is a difference.
08:30 < aestetix> oh Lennart. Not Leonard. My bad.
08:31 < _NSAKEY> At least most distros I've heard about don't actually do that binary logging stupidity.
08:32 < aestetix> Seriously, in Germany systemd is a more touchy topic than the Tor drama
08:32 < aestetix> which says quite a lot
08:32 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: And it's been going on for so long? How has Lennart avoided having someone spraypaint his residence?
08:34 < aestetix> Maybe the spraypaint was incompatible with the proprietary dispensing tool
08:35 < aestetix> Or the spraypaint manufacturer upgraded the spraycan, and now none of the artists know how to use it
08:36 <@sdodson> This is where I stop bothering with the conversation, thanks.
08:37 <@sdodson> _NSAKEY: So you're infavor of vandalising someone's house because they produced software you can choose not to use?
08:37 < _NSAKEY> sdodson: I guess you're not keeping up with the Tor drama aestetix mentioned. Someone spraypainted Appelbaum's apartment building.
08:38 <@sdodson> _NSAKEY: that's un-related, soy ou're in favor of vandlising someone's house because they've produced software you can choose not to use?
08:38 <@sdodson> _NSAKEY: I need to know whether I should ever take you seriously or not.
08:38 < _NSAKEY> systemd has been around for a lot longer than the aforementioned Tor drama, yet the latter has lead to vandalism.
08:38 < _NSAKEY> sdodson: Your shit attempt at trolling back is shit.
08:42 <@sdodson> _NSAKEY: you're aware that there have been death threats against Lennart, correct?
08:42 < aestetix> wtf are you serious?
08:42 <@sdodson> yes
08:42 < aestetix> Threats that meet a standard of reasonable suspicion? Or someone on twitter saying "I'm gonna kill you bitch"?
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08:43 <@sdodson> i have no idea
08:44 < aestetix> There is a big difference.
08:44 <@sdodson> I never suggested I bother keeping up with this shit.
08:44 < aestetix> oh lol
08:44 < aestetix> One of them gets all my sympathy, the other one is just annoying.
08:47 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: https://plus.google.com/+HomerSlated/posts/MhJQzJPqQyo
08:50 < _NSAKEY> sdodson: Death threats are a bit over the top, but the guy who did this talk should have probably throat-punched him for crashing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0
08:50 < PigBot> Title: 27c3 - Desktop on the Linux... (and BSD, of course) - Wolfgang Draxinger (+ Lennart Poettering) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/6ab49dq
08:50 <@sdodson> _NSAKEY: I'll look later after I get done putting in my day job of systemd proliferation.
08:51 < _NSAKEY> sdodson: Fair enough.
09:15 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pgX60AAIYo
09:15 < PigBot> Title: POKEMON GO LETS PLAY! EPISODE 1 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zul9fnv
09:15 < aestetix> wow this is fucking brilliant
09:15 < aestetix> they're going to make a killing off this game
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11:06 < TheDukh> Nintendo makes a killing off random stuff every few years...followed by a year or so of shit
11:08 <@Dagmar> This is all Niantic money, afaik
11:09 <@Dagmar> Nintendo invested 20m in them, and I'm sure they get some of the money, but most of it's going to Niantic
11:09 <@Dagmar> The game has already blown past Tinder for total installs and is about to have more users than Twitter.
11:11 <@Dagmar> A big load of holy crap https://www.similarweb.com/blog/pokemon-go
11:11 < TheDukh> that's fucking insane, especially in like...what, 4 days time?
11:12 <@Dagmar> Also especially considering that gym battles don't work for shit and the server instances can almost guaranteed to be falling over once an hour
11:12 <@Dagmar> God damn Nintendo's stock went up 20%?
11:12 < TheDukh> yeah, that's what I meant by their making a killing
11:13 < TheDukh> nearly 8 billion is a shit ton of money
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11:40 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: More users than Twitter, or more users than Twitter on Android?
11:41 < _NSAKEY> I saw an article that stated "More users than Twitter" but said in the body that Pokemon Go had more users than Twitter on Android.
11:44 < aestetix> http://adamreeve.tumblr.com/post/147120922009/pokemon-go-is-a-huge-security-risk
11:44 < PigBot> Title: Pokemon Go is a huge security risk - adam reeve (at adamreeve.tumblr.com) http://tinyurl.com/glod9ww
11:50 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: They're on track to have more users than Twitter, period, by the end of the week if not by Wednesday
11:51 < aestetix> I see a *lot* of potential with this Pokemon Go thing
11:51 < aestetix> Example: mcdonalds offers a promotion where you can get a discount on a happy meal or something if you catch a pokemon within X distance of a location
11:52 <@opticron> aestetix, that's only an issue for iOS users, apparently
11:53 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: That's actually pretty funny.
11:55 < TheDukh> 10-1 the new season of Silicon Valley will deal with Pokemon Go
11:55 < aestetix> twitter has been going downhill for a while too
11:56 < aestetix> that said, I don't see why they are comparing it. one is a social game, the other is a drama distribution system
11:56 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It makes me wonder how much of a morale killer this pokemon go buzz has been, since they're being used as a measuring stick.
11:56 < _NSAKEY> Hahahahaha. Too true.
11:58 < aestetix> I'm serious though
11:58 < aestetix> I have basically stopped using twitter in the last month, because the +/- ration of it got too negative
11:59 < TheDukh> Make Twitter great again.
12:00 < aestetix> The Tor crap is what put me over the edge. Normally I'd have been able to systematically block out everything of a related drama topic, but Tor kept finding ways to surprise me
12:00 < aestetix> So I just decided to kiss it good bye
12:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I do that sometimes. In recent months, I've ignored Twitter for days at a time and haven't even missed it.
12:01 < aestetix> I'm particularly glad because right after the Tor drama happened, all this BLM shit happened.
12:01 < aestetix> And I *really* didn't need to see that shit.
12:04 < aestetix> Although it's not just twitter. The New York Times is becoming unreadable.
12:05 < aestetix> I don't even really need to read it anymore, because I already know what they will say about a given issue.
12:23 < TheDukh> I like reading Brooks and Kruegman arguing social policy
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13:26 <@sasquatc4> huzzah, it pays to keep telling them no and why
13:26 <@sasquatc4> I am excited to tell you that Amazon is finally opening a new office in the greater Denver/Boulder metropolitan area soon. We have long since been aware of the talent in this market but have found that people in Denver like to stay in Denver not move to Seattle
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14:38 <@Dagmar> It's cool how Android Studio has decided that the gradle files created by a previous version of Android Studio are incorrect and won't bother fixing them
14:39 <@Dagmar> Ah wait.. there it goes
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18:53 < Shadow404> dude, i like this years pn website
18:53 < Shadow404> super simple, but still conveys all teh info
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18:56 < _NSAKEY> Shadow404: It's a reskin of last year's website.
18:57 < _NSAKEY> No sense in reinventing the wheel every year.
19:25 <@Shadow404> yeah, i like it
19:25 <@Shadow404> less work
19:25 <@Shadow404> more focus on the actual con itself, not the website
19:25 <@Shadow404> which has been teh topic of many arguements in itself (website) in years past
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21:36 <@sdodson> ick, who likes content these days? if it doesn't have awesome animation effects while i scroll down endlessly it's lame
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