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00:17 < aestetix> so wait a second
00:17 < aestetix> rattle: who killed the police officers?
00:18 < aestetix> was it BLM protesters?
00:21 <@rattle> No information on suspect.
00:23 <@rattle> There's going to be a press conference.
00:24 <@rattle> I'm not going to speculate at this point.  Based on the fuzzy information, I'm thinking actor(s) had training.  That can mean many things.
00:24 < aestetix> None of them are good.
00:25 <@rattle> This is a very bad night.
00:29 <@rattle> Cui bono overall doesn't swing anywhere good.
00:32 < aestetix> So there have been three shootings this week
00:32 < aestetix> Minnesota, Louisiana, and now Dallas
00:33 <@rattle> Press conference is starting.  All the channels got it.
00:34 < aestetix> url?
00:35 <@rattle> Negotiations with a suspect underway past 45m.  Gunplay involved.
00:35 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Is it being streamed?
00:35 < aestetix> ask rattle
00:36 <@rattle> Fuck if I know.  I'm not taking time to find out for you.  Google or something.
00:36 <@rattle> Suspect claims multiple bombs placed.  Intends to fight.
00:37 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8eBpbRN7Y0
00:37 < PigBot> Title: Breaking News: Terror attack in Dallas, 11 Officers shot, 4 killed. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zadmm7n
00:37 <@rattle> Multiple suspects in custody.
00:37 < _NSAKEY> rattle: I'm watching the new stories flow in on google news
00:38 < aestetix> I mean the bad police don't follow procedure. The ones who do should be honored.
00:38 < _NSAKEY> Found a stream.
00:39 < aestetix> I just linked a stream in here
00:39 <@rattle> Sometimes the procedures are fucked, and that's a problem that needs to be fixed.  I obviously respect the profession.
00:40 < aestetix> Well sure.
00:40 < aestetix> That's why you go to city hall.
00:40 < aestetix> I may complain a lot about the government, but I do try to fix it :)
00:41 <@rattle> I don't believe I ever accused otherwise.  I'm just an arrogant asshole.  k?
00:41 < aestetix> lol
00:42 < aestetix> So now I'm curious whether Dallas has a Vidsys system set up
00:42 < aestetix> (that's the surveillance tech I'll be talking about in my HOPE talk_
00:46 < aestetix> How far is the scene from the grassy knoll?
00:48 <@rattle> The thing about the suspects in custody not cooperating is very disconcerting.
00:49 <@rattle> aestetix: Close enough to make a joke that's too soon.
00:49 < aestetix> Heh.
00:50 < aestetix> I'm gonna talk to my co-presenter about whether we want to touch on this in our talk.
00:50 < aestetix> because this is precisely the situation that systems like the Oakland DAC are being set up to prevent
00:50 < aestetix> We discussed this exact scenario in our committee meetings
00:51 < aestetix> The whole point of our policy: how do we stop this shit without curbing civil liberties
00:52 < aestetix> My bigger fear is how Donald Trump will use this shit :(
00:53 < aestetix> I would not put it past President Trump to determine that because one of the shooters was from Iran, that's enough to launch nuclear bombs at them
00:53 < aestetix> (for example)
00:53 <@rattle> This isn't going to get any less fucked up any time soon.
00:58 < aestetix> h wow.
00:58 < aestetix> http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/07/07/black-lives-matter-protesters-take-to-the-streets-of-oakland/
00:58 < PigBot> Title: Black Lives Matter Protesters Take To The Streets Of Oakland « CBS San Francisco (at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com) http://tinyurl.com/hgzrb2o
00:59 < aestetix> They apparently shattered the windows at Police Headquarters and painted "murderers" on the walls
00:59 < aestetix> I am really fucking happy we made that policy now.
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01:09 <@rattle> This is about to go six stars.
01:09 < aestetix> six stars?
01:09 <@rattle> Bad video game reference.
01:10 < _NSAKEY> aestetix clearly never played Grand Theft Auto.
01:11 < _NSAKEY> I think the shooter might have, because the parking garages were always the best place to go on kill sprees in GTA3.
01:11 < _NSAKEY> Ok, I'll quit now.
01:12 < _NSAKEY> rattle: I suspect you're right, in all seriousness. Watching this stream, it looks like they're gearing up to say screw it and storm the parking garage.
01:13 < aestetix> I have not.
01:15 <@rattle> This is sort of like the Boston Bombing, Rodney King verdict, and Pulse attack all fucked and had a demon child.
01:15 < aestetix> Don't forget OJ
01:15 < _NSAKEY> I have to agree with you guys re: wondering if this is what 1968 was like.
01:16 <@rattle> That will come later.  The OJ verdict didn't result in anything like the Rodney King verdict.
01:16 < aestetix> AFAIK the key difference between now and 1968 was no politicians have been assassinated yet
01:16 < aestetix> Althogh Trump is making that difficult
01:23 < _NSAKEY> Possibly flashbang just went off.
01:24 < _NSAKEY> s/y/e/
01:24 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: link?
01:24 < _NSAKEY> It's on this stream I found on Twitter. Watching it on my work computer.
01:24 < aestetix> again, link?
01:25 < _NSAKEY> http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html
01:25 < PigBot> Title: 2 Snipers Ambush, Kill 4 Officers, Injure 11 in Dallas Following Peaceful Protest | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth (at www.nbcdfw.com) http://tinyurl.com/hjm9zjb
01:26 < aestetix> FUCKING REGIONAL RESTRICTIONS
01:28 < aestetix> thank you proxflow
01:37 < aestetix> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-film-emmawatson-idUSKCN0ZN23S
01:37 < aestetix> ouch
01:37 < PigBot> Title: Emma Watson film takes $61 at limited UK cinema open | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) http://tinyurl.com/h95o3j6
01:39 < _NSAKEY> aestetix rattle: http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/5318
01:39 < PigBot> Title: Dallas City Police 1 Central and 2 NE (at www.broadcastify.com) http://tinyurl.com/ohe4kql
01:42 <@rattle> Nice.
01:43 <@rattle> Damn.
01:43 < _NSAKEY> I wouldn't anticipate a bunch of really interesting chatter there though, because broadcastify doesn't allow tac frequencies to be streamed.
01:43 <@rattle> They've already referenced OOB comms at least twice, so yeah.
01:43 < aestetix> OOB?
01:43 < aestetix> Is that what I think it is
01:44 <@rattle> Out of band
01:44 < aestetix> ohhhh nevermind
01:44 < aestetix> I thought "order of battle"
01:44 < aestetix> out of band makes more sense
01:44 < _NSAKEY> rattle: The one time listening to regular streams was useful was during the Dorner standoff.
01:45 <@rattle> Very different thing.
01:45 < _NSAKEY> They pretty much said on the radio that they meant for him to be burned alive.
01:45 <@rattle> Holy crap, there was clearly just automatic fire.
01:45 < _NSAKEY> Like, they set fire to that cabin and then didn't really give him anywhere to run.
01:46 < _NSAKEY> More of what sounded like gunfire.
01:47 <@rattle> Starting to think that's just some sort of very bad interference.
01:47 < _NSAKEY> Probably.
01:47 < _NSAKEY> If it was gunfire, it would probably be over now.
01:48 < _NSAKEY> Oh fuck.
01:48 < _NSAKEY> Ok, I'm going to preface this by sasying this is graphic. If you're not good with watching someone (probably) die, don't click this link.https://www.rt.com/usa/350092-dallas-video-attacker-officer/
01:48 < PigBot> Title: Dallas suspect with rifle engaging in firefight with policeman (GRAPHIC VIDEO) — RT America (at www.rt.com) http://tinyurl.com/h3858km
01:48 < _NSAKEY> It gets wild at 26 seconds in.
01:48 < _NSAKEY> Notice how the shooter fakes the cop out by shooting right and running left.
01:52 < _NSAKEY> 5 dead according to that news stream.
01:53 < aestetix> .... police?
01:54 <@rattle> So far I haven't heard any reference of casualties other than police.
01:55 < _NSAKEY> I heard about a woman whose daughter got injured, but that's it. Other than that, it seems to be all cops.
01:56 < _NSAKEY> 3 shooters in custody, 1 in a stand-off.
01:56 < _NSAKEY> The 3 in custody aren't talking and the 1 remaining has vowed to kill more cops.
01:57 < _NSAKEY> I'm really curious to find out more about the shooters, because this isn't your average shooting by any way of measuring.
02:00 < _NSAKEY> A robot is inbound according to the news stream.
02:00 < _NSAKEY> I'm guessing it's bomb squad recon.
02:04 <@rattle> Heard a confirmation of a civilian casualty.  No details.
02:04 < aestetix> I just saw a rumor that a fifth officer has died.
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02:05 <@rattle> If they got the guy cornered and any areas with people who could be at risk are cleared, they are most likely to let the adversary tire out.
02:06 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: They just said on the news stream that "a 5th officer" died.
02:06 < _NSAKEY> rattle: My understanding is that the remaining shooter is holed up on the 2nd floor of a parking garage.
02:08 <@rattle> If they have other suspects they can connect to this in custody, they are unlikely to take on risk to capture him alive.
02:09 < _NSAKEY> I'm strongly inclined to agree.
02:14 < aestetix> uhhhh
02:15 < aestetix> He's obviously well prepared. I must assume they already tried to tear-gas him out
02:16 < aestetix> fuck nytimes updated the headline
02:16 < aestetix> 5 officers :/
02:22 < _NSAKEY> The news stream is saying that their sources tell them the threat is over.
02:28 <@rattle> I honestly don't know what the tactics are when they encounter a long standoff like this.  I'm pretty sure if they feel they have control of the environment, they would take no action and let the adversary tire out.  I wouldn't expect gas.  Let him get tired, and a flashbang has less risk for same effect.
02:53 < aestetix> Tear gas is very effective until it isn't.
02:53 < aestetix> I speak as someone who was tear-gassed several times in Oakland :/
02:57 <@rattle> I've become incredibly tired but I can't sleep.
02:58 < _NSAKEY> Suspect is dead on the scene.
02:59 < _NSAKEY> One of the reporters there talked to a cop. Now they're talking about 2 possible bombs at the nearby college.
03:02 < aestetix> rattle: alcohol fixes that
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03:17 < aestetix> in other heavy news, germany lost
03:17 < aestetix> so all my colleagues are depressed today
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04:16 < aestetix> you know
04:16 < aestetix> rattle: you'll appreciate this statement
04:17 < aestetix> after seeing the shitstorm of the jake/tor crap, I really appreciate the order that government procedures force upon the hillary drama
05:29 < aestetix> interesting
05:29 < aestetix> According to the Guardian’s tally, of the approximately 1001 people killed by police in 2015 in America, 502 were white, 250 were black, 163 were Hispanic/Latino, 18 were Asian/Pacific Islander, 13 were American Indian, and 54 were other/unknown.
05:29 < aestetix> http://newobserveronline.com/far-more-whites-killed-by-us-police/
05:30 < PigBot> Title: Far More Whites Killed by US Police - (at newobserveronline.com) http://tinyurl.com/gmm6b24
05:31 < aestetix> I think it is also quite reasonable to suggest a baiting headline of "white cop kills black guy" is going to hit twitter/tumblr more, and get more outrage, thus generate more revenue
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09:10 <@Evilpig> as much as I dislike spam, i'll give them props for the server they got me from
09:10 <@Evilpig> http://billmaher.com/
09:10 < PigBot> Evilpig: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
09:11 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocupr0se9e83hh7/Screenshot%202016-07-08%2009.11.23.png?dl=0
09:11 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-07-08 09.11.23.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/h7u87yd
10:09 <@Evilpig> wtf
10:09 <@Evilpig> I just uploaded a gist and it's found it's way onto pastebin... twice
10:09 <@Evilpig> I just got railed by my boss for putting shit on pastebin
10:14 <@Evilpig> I think someone is skimming public gists and putting them on pastebin
10:19 < aestetix> huh
10:34 <@Evilpig> this is a public gist too and isn't in pastebin.  https://gist.github.com/wilpig/5cf4ed03116a3c642561ea22412c0376
10:34 < PigBot> Title: useless_curl_example_leave_me_alone.php · GitHub (at gist.github.com) http://tinyurl.com/jat2alo
10:38 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obFgSeiQFw
10:38 < PigBot> Title: The Triggering Film - Milo at UCLA - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zmduhr4
10:40 < aestetix> god german girls are hot
12:07 < TheDukh> Yes, yes they are.
12:12 < aestetix> TheDukh: you just like the scheisse porn
12:15 < TheDukh> who doesn't?
12:17 < TheDukh> the main dasein of the culture, I've thought.  That and oktoberfest
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18:45 < aestetix> rattle: this will make you happy
18:45 < aestetix> Oakland just convened the first offical meeting of the privacy committee
18:46 < aestetix> An official city committee consisting of council-appointed citizens, specifically deciding on matters in the city related to privacy
18:46 < aestetix> I believe it is the first committee of its kind in the US
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