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08:59 < aestetix> rattle: http://www.c-span.org/video/?412315-1/fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-hillary-clinton-email-probe
08:59 < PigBot> Title: FBI Director James Comey Testifies Hillary | Video | C-SPAN.org (at www.c-span.org) http://tinyurl.com/h7xqyn9
09:07 < aestetix> holy shit
09:07 < aestetix> congress is actually doing their job
09:15 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The smell of the butthurt in this article is delicious. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/james-comeys-abuse-of-power/2016/07/06/7799d39e-4392-11e6-8856-f26de2537a9d_story.html
09:15 < PigBot> Title: James Comey’s abuse of power - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/j4smkf7
09:15 < aestetix> And now we're hearing the democrat side
09:15 < aestetix> this is great
09:15 < _NSAKEY> Is that a live feed, or an archive?
09:16 < _NSAKEY> I can't stick around but would like to watch.
09:16 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?412315-1/fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-hillary-clinton-email-probe
09:16 < PigBot> Title: FBI Director James Comey Testifies Hillary | Video | C-SPAN.org (at www.c-span.org) http://tinyurl.com/h7xqyn9
09:16 < aestetix> live feed
09:16 < aestetix> it just started
09:16 < aestetix> they called an emergency hearing
09:16 < _NSAKEY> ... And I have to leave, now.
09:29 < aestetix> wow.
09:29 < aestetix> this is getting real.
09:34 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure I haven't seen anything like this at least since Lewinsky.
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11:05 < xray> There is a link on the c-span page for "Watch from beginning"
13:06 <@Dagmar> Man... Fuck those people at the Washington Post
13:09 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: It was an opinion from a cormer prosecutor.
13:10 <@Dagmar> No, they're just crocodile tears
13:10 < _NSAKEY> Actually, wait.
13:10 < _NSAKEY> "Matthew Miller was director of the Justice Department’s public affairs office from 2009 to 2011."
13:10 < _NSAKEY> But yeah, I agree with you.
13:10 < _NSAKEY> It seemed pretty clear from Comey's statement that he thought she should have been charged, but didn't think anyone would do it.
13:10 <@Dagmar> They throw a token fit about how evil it was that he got up on a soapbox, which allows them to ignore the fact that he said that she _actually committed felonies_ but that they were just going to let it slide because of reasons
13:11 < _NSAKEY> Her last name is Clinton, and they weren't going to let her birthright get stolen again like it was in 08.
13:12 <@Dagmar> She wasn't a good choice for the job then
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13:16 <@Dagmar> Oooo... This guy is sticking him hard
13:17 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I have something you're going to absolutely love, that my father sent me.
13:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah, this level of dodging... Comey was bought
13:17 <@Dagmar> "I don't think that someone who is running your server, is reading your emails
13:18 <@Dagmar> REALLY, MOTHERFUCKER?
13:18 <@Dagmar> Is THAT why I always have to sign paperwork about that?
13:19 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/_NSAKEY/status/751118283676520449
13:19 <@Dagmar> Oh shit
13:19 <@Dagmar> Chaffetz just nailed him to the wall
13:19 <@Dagmar> He got Comey to admit that Clinton did it intentionally
13:20 < xray> I can say with qualification that if I had done this with classified data I would end up in jail. This is a farce.
13:20 <@Dagmar> xray: Pretty much every netsec guy I know is aghast at this shitshow
13:22 <@opticron> your ass would be raked over the coals so hard you'd be shitting diamonds for years
13:22 < xray> Agreed
13:22 < _NSAKEY> opticron: That assumes that anyone else would have an ass left once it was all over.
14:03 <@Dagmar> It's looking like perhaps Congress is not going to let this go
14:04 <@Dagmar> Maybe she's finally crossed enough people in Congres
14:10 <@rattle> State is notorious for having a poor security culture.  That's the problem here, not Hillary.  Rice and Powell had the same poor pratice.
14:11 <@rattle> This current witch hunt is simply theatre.
14:11 <@rattle> Rather than hunting Hillary, they should focus on unfucking State.
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14:24 <@Dagmar> I think a good way to make a start on fixing that would be to actually _prosecute_ people for being criminally stupid
14:25 <@Dagmar> Presently, the only punishment anyone gets winds up being more partisan opportunism, i.e., political revenge
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...and a "mild scolding".
14:26 <@Dagmar> This goes miles beyond that
14:27 <@Dagmar> At this point they should be gobsmacked by the number of lies Clinton apparently told the FBI
14:27 <@Dagmar> ...because those are also felony offenses
14:27 <@Dagmar> She just doesn't _care_ about complying with any laws.
14:32 <@Dagmar> I have to wonder tho'... What happened with Guccifer?
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15:44 <@Dagmar> OH my god I can't believe the shit coming out of this man's mouht
15:45 <@Dagmar> "There are two things that matter in a criminal investigation of a subject: What did the person do, and when they did that thing, what were they thinking?"
15:45 <@Dagmar> By that standard alone, the FBI had no right to prosecute Weev for CFAA violations.
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15:49 <@Dagmar> How could they NOT know they were violating the law by running their own _unsecured_ equipment
15:49 <@Dagmar> It's super-fucking clear.  Secret information does not go on equipment not secured for that clearance.
15:49 <@Dagmar> Period.  End of story.  No other qualifiers needed.
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17:14 <@rattle> My Vive shipped..
17:14 <@rattle> Sooooon
17:34 <@Dagmar> Cool!
17:34 <@Dagmar> Congress is kinda nailing Comey to the wall
17:35 <@Dagmar> It's a shame very few of the congresspersons involved are Democrats
17:36 <@Dagmar> One of the Representatives nailed him _hard_ using Clinton's own testimony during the Benghazi nonsense to demonstrate that Clinton did in fact know about a certain SCI marking that she ignored and sent to her private server in at least one email chain.
17:41 <@Dagmar> I'm growing a little tired of the red herring argument that they didn't meet the burden of proof for "gross negligence" because the law as written says "intentionally or through gross negligence".  The standard of intent is pretty fuckin' easy to reach here.
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21:31 < aestetix> rattle: while I agree, why don't they bring up Powell and Rice?
21:32 < aestetix> By they I mean the democrats.
21:32 <@rattle> They both refused.
21:33 < aestetix> No I mean
21:33 <@rattle> I don't understand the reason it hasn't gone further is because they don't have a mechanism to force them to comply, or if it's simply because no one is trying.  It's very clear this is simply a Hillary witch hunt.
21:33 < aestetix> They spent a lot of time bringing up Petraeus.
21:33 < aestetix> But they should have brought up Powell and Rice as well.
21:33 <@rattle> Petraeus _truly_ fucked up, large.  Completely different league than Hillary.
21:33 < aestetix> rattle: I half agree.
21:34 < aestetix> I think this is about Hillary, but it's also about the real power issues going on right now.
21:34 <@rattle> Yes.  The investigation going on should be holistically looking at the bad opsec practices present at DoS.  It's not.  This is just a sham job.
21:34 < aestetix> You can see that because 1. FBI and GOP are cross examining each other 2. the GOP and the democracts are cross examining each other
21:35 < aestetix> So the GOP is raising some valid concerns with Comey, but then the Democrats raise the other concerns with the GOP
21:35 <@rattle> In other news, things are getting even more fucked up here by the moment.  Apparently two police were shot at the Dallas protests.
21:35 < aestetix> Also, this is the kind of stuff Congress should have been doing for the past 16 years.
21:36 < aestetix> what dallas protest?
21:36 <@rattle> You don't know?  There are protests going on in several American cities right now.
21:36 < aestetix> I've been asleep the last 8 hours
21:36 <@rattle> New York, DC, Baton Rouge, St Paul, Dallas, and others..
21:36 < aestetix> oh god
21:37 <@rattle> The shit is sorta hitting the fan right now.
21:37 < aestetix> Is it over... I heard something about a new police shooting, and a video
21:37 <@opticron> it's getting kind of fucking ridiculous
21:37 <@rattle> Hell, I'm pissed off.  I went to Union Square today after work just so there would be more white people around to enforce this isn't a black thing.
21:38 <@rattle> aestetix: Two in the past two days.
21:38 < aestetix> How does this keep happening?
21:39 < aestetix> ugh and I'm about to give a talk at HOPE in part about how the police in Oakland cannot be trusted
21:39 <@rattle> I'm genuinely bothered by this.  I've had multiple run-ins with police that didn't exactly go great before.  I can honestly say that I believe that if I was black, I would not be alive.
21:39 < aestetix> which is actually both valid and completely separate from this
21:39 < aestetix> By police you mean NYPD?
21:39 <@rattle> NYPD is actually one of the better departments..
21:40 <@rattle> Not all police are bad.  It's far from being that simple.
21:40 < aestetix> Who is worse?
21:40 < aestetix> I mean it's clearly not as bad as Oakland's child prostitution ring...
21:40 <@opticron> I had a run-in with police recently around montgomery where I was a passenger
21:40 < aestetix> rattle: I know. My uncle is a cop. I grew up with that.
21:40 <@opticron> pretty sure once they saw the driver was white, 90 in a 65 was A-OK
21:41 < aestetix> So I tend to appreciate these things better than most.
21:42 < aestetix> Like,  every traffic stop a police officer makes risks their life.
21:42 < aestetix> You have no way to know if the guy you just pulled over has a gun and is going to blast your head off the moment he rolles down the window.
21:42 <@rattle> I've been literally beaten up by police on my own property for no reason in my hometown.
21:42 < aestetix> rattle: recently?
21:43 <@rattle> In many cases, their training is just all fucked up.  They get training on how to do take downs and shit like this, and like any training anyone receives, you want to use it..  There's another side of things related to community relations that some departments just don't have the right culture for, or the right hiring practices to find the right type of people.
21:43 <@rattle> No, this was years ago..  But it sits with me.
21:43 < aestetix> ahhh ok
21:43 < aestetix> So it might be culturally related, but not immediately.
21:44 < aestetix> Whereas in Germany there are few very police anywhere that I have seen.
21:44 < aestetix> Of course, Germany is not exactly the best example of "reasonable law enforcement" given its history
21:44 <@rattle> There was a new neighbor in the area.  I was walking around in my back yard..  They called in a prowler.  Cops showed up, full blazing like they got a call about a breakin or something.  I raised my hands, said I lived here, and that I could show my ID.  They tacked me and beat the crap out of me.
21:45 < aestetix> Does this trick work in Nashville too?
21:45 <@rattle> Tossed me in the back of a squad car..  Got halfway down the block..  I ask if I'm under arrest.  They say yes..  I ask under what charges..  They look at each other like "oh fuck, this is a smart one", then turn the car around and dump me in my driveway.
21:45 <@rattle> No shit.
21:46 <@rattle> I'm over simplifying..  But that's basically it.
21:46 <@oddball> aestetix: Depends on what cops show up and where you are.
21:47 <@oddball> That said, our current cheif of police is big on having the cops having a good rep with the community.
21:47 < aestetix> lol
21:47 < aestetix> whereas in Oakland where I used to live.... what was it, a couple weeks ago they went through three police chiefs in a week
21:47 <@oddball> (unlike the last asshole)
21:47 < aestetix> sort of like something out of The Wire
21:48 <@rattle> I respect police.  It's a hard profession, and critical.  But some departments have shitty cultures..  And there are some bad cops out there.
21:48 <@rattle> There are solutions.
21:48 <@oddball> When all of the Black Lives Matter folks were blocking interstates for the protests?  Our police actually shut down I24 downotwn for a bit so they could do their thing.
21:49 <@oddball> I think it kind of sucked the wind out of the sails of the protesters around here when they got help from the local police to protest police brutality.
21:51 <@oddball> The thing that actually really rasing my blood pressure over the shooting in Minniapolis is being told by several assholes "oh, the NRA/"lawful gun owners"/etc don't give a shit because he's black."
21:52 <@oddball> Uh... by all reports, the guy was legally carrying and was shot for following what carry permit holders are told to do.  This has pissed off these groups quite a bit.
21:52 <@oddball> Because, well, we don't want to get shot.
21:52 <@rattle> Well, the NRA isn't saying shit.
21:53 <@oddball> Because they're following their usual playbook.  They're waiting until they're sure they have actual facts.
21:53 <@rattle> Quite the opposite.  Their playbook is to get in front of it.  They are not.  Many people have been talking about this today.  They totally broke from their playbook.
21:54 <@oddball> no.  no it's not.
21:54 <@oddball> hence them waiting a week after the Newtown shooting.
21:55 <@oddball> Twitter feed from an NRA spokesperson: https://twitter.com/MrColionNoir/status/751093159170498560
21:55 < PigBot> Title: Colion Noir on Twitter: "The Young Blk Gun Owner in me wants to scream bloody murder!! The lawyer in me keeps saying, wait for all the facts #PhilandoCastille" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/j2gvrnt
21:56 <@rattle> Exactly..  That's the sorta stuff they typically come out and say.  They are breaking from their playbook by saying _nothing_.
21:56 <@oddball> read my comment about the Newtown shooting.
21:57 <@rattle> I can't think of a shooting where the NRA didn't have out a statement of some type by now.  Usually saying exactly that sort of thing.
21:57 <@oddball> They were silent for a week while all the "facts" were sorted through.
21:58 <@oddball> Has it been a week?
21:58 <@oddball> 'cause I just fucking told you of a high profile shooting that they did just that.
22:00 <@oddball> The reason they made a statement of any kind with the Orlando shooting is because they needed to respond to bills being introduced.
22:01 <@rattle> I'm not going to debate this.  I work in the policy community, and hear the back chatter.  Folks on both sides of the gun issues are noticing a different approach from them.
22:02 <@rattle> This is getting bad..  They are calling it an active shooter situation and telling protestors to flee from the scene.
22:02 < aestetix> I can't help but wonder if this is what things were like in 1968
22:04 < aestetix> I don't think "gun control" is the right answer here.
22:04 <@rattle> I don't think so.  But it's starting to feel a bit like the early 90's..
22:04 < aestetix> rattle: Rodney King style?
22:05 <@rattle> Yeah..
22:05 <@rattle> I think that's the closer analogous situation.
22:05 < aestetix> Well 1968 will match if something bad happens at the conventions.
22:05 <@rattle> Are you forgetting LA?
22:06 < aestetix> One question... why do these riots keep happening? I no longer think it's related to the middle class disappearing, because there was still a strong middle class in 1991
22:06 <@rattle> There was a recession..
22:07 < aestetix> True.
22:07 <@rattle> Anything like this is always a confluence of issues.
22:07 < aestetix> A recession, not a fucking depression like we had in 2008
22:07 < aestetix> rattle: sure, but I think it's appropriate to ask what are the easiest ways to diffuse it.
22:08 <@rattle> There was also that whole hope thing going on in 2008 too.  People felt like change could actually happen.  I think that defused things.
22:08 < aestetix> True.
22:08 <@rattle> It wasn't like there wasn't unrest around that time, but it was the in-the-streets-sort of thing.
22:08 <@rattle> It was bullshit like Anonymous.
22:08 < aestetix> Were you in DC in 2008? I don't remember. I was hanging out with Timball at CAP that night
22:09 <@rattle> I was there, idiot.  I'm the one who brought you there..  And make sure you didn't make an ass of yourself.
22:09 < aestetix> Ok that's what I thought lol
22:09 <@rattle> I remember at one point you wanted to lecture Korb and Podesta about the Iraq war and tell him about some IM shit you were working on.  I saved you from high fooldom.
22:10 < aestetix> Oh lol I forgot all about that.
22:11 < aestetix> rattle: can I blame that on "I was young and needed the money"?
22:11 <@rattle> Sure, why the fuck not.  Pass.
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22:13 < aestetix> Was that one of the nights that Timball flaked on all his committments and wound up with a random fling of the night?
22:13 < aestetix> Since that happened more than once.
22:14 <@rattle> Can't remember.  That might have been the stripper.  Or it might have been bullshit.
22:14 < aestetix> On the one hand, bros before hos. On the other, a man in need...
22:14 <@rattle> There was alot going on that night.  I was at a Bad Brains show at one point.
22:14 < aestetix> Shit that was the same night?
22:14 <@rattle> Yep.  It was a crazy night.
22:15 < aestetix> Ok. I remember that because I went to a 2600 meeting a few days later.
22:15 <@rattle> Up to and including the point at like 2am when I was drunk as fuck, and someone decided to launch a DDoS on TP.
22:15 < aestetix> And emmanuels' response: "Bad Brains? They are still raound?"
22:15 <@rattle> Fuck yeah..  And I saw them for the first time the night Obama was elected.  How fitting is that shit?
22:15 < aestetix> I was with you.
22:15 < aestetix> I was at that show :p
22:16 <@rattle> Yes..  That's right.  Tim blew off the show, so I took you.  Then we hit the celebration at CAP.
22:17 < aestetix> "Tim blew off" sounds about right.
22:17 <@rattle> I was downtown both of the last elections.  Both times, that was something to experience..
22:17 <@rattle> 08 was fucking incredible.  People were marching in the streets all night long.
22:17 < aestetix> They are doing today today too, but for other reasons.
22:18 <@rattle> Today is a very fucked up day.
22:18 < aestetix> that today*
22:18 < aestetix> I wonder how many things I got to do because Tim blew it off for some chick he met
22:20 < aestetix> Best not to reflect on that. Does not make anyone look good.
22:21 < aestetix> oh speaking of appearances, HOPE just sold out.
22:22 < aestetix> https://store.2600.com/collections/the-eleventh-hope/products/tickets-to-the-eleventh-hope-preregistration-rate?variant=13682960199
22:22 < PigBot> Title: TICKETS TO THE ELEVENTH HOPE - PREREGISTRATION RATE 2600 Magazine (at store.2600.com) http://tinyurl.com/hqshvsw
22:22 <@rattle> Um, I thought it was tickets at the door?
22:22 <@rattle> Well then..
22:23 < aestetix> There will be.
22:23 < aestetix> We're still trying to figure out how many to make available though.
22:23 < aestetix> Because last time we ran into lots of drama with the fire marshall.
22:23 <@rattle> Since you're on the inside of that dig, can you make sure one gets set aside for me?  I'm obviously good for the money.  If you front me you will not get screwed.
22:23 < aestetix> sure :p
22:24 <@rattle> Oh, I'm really good with those people..  Maybe I can help.
22:24 < aestetix> Actually, does CFR count as press?
22:24 <@rattle> No.
22:24 < aestetix> damn
22:24 <@rattle> Some of our people do, but not me.
22:25 < aestetix> ok
22:26 < aestetix> press is usually a way I can sneak people in, provided they actually are press
22:26 <@rattle> CFR has very, very, very rigid rules about speaking on behalf of CFR.  We don't take stances.  We foster discussion.  Hence, going as press is not how we prefer to represent.
22:26 < aestetix> I wish more places did that.
22:27 <@rattle> I've hosted like half the cabinet the past six months.  That count for something?
22:27 < aestetix> Yes, but not a HOPE press pass ;)
22:28 <@rattle> Doh.  So much for trying to change the system from the inside.  sadtrombone.com
22:28 < aestetix> rattle: were you at HOPE in 2014?
22:29 <@rattle> I don't think so.
22:29 <@rattle> No.
22:29 < aestetix> Oh no wonder.
22:29 < aestetix> Yeah, basically Snowden changed everything.
22:29 <@rattle> Well, I knew that.
22:29 < aestetix> We will likely hit venue capacity at SOB friday
22:30 <@rattle> Just fucking buy me a pass with your own money and I'll pay you back.  This is not hard.
22:30 < aestetix> I'm not suggesting that is an issue. I'm just replying to you being surprised at HOPE selling out
22:31 < aestetix> This is actually good
22:31 < aestetix> https://t.co/NdpRz12bYZ
22:31 < PigBot> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
22:31 < aestetix> Interview with Dan Ellsberg from Radio Statler at HOPE X
22:31 <@rattle> No, I'm not surprised.  I guess I'm just arrogant and used to assuming I can walk into any sort of security event without friction.
22:33 <@rattle> You just coming to the states for HOPE and bouncing back?  Or you hanging around for awhile.
22:33 < aestetix> Just coming and bouncing back
22:35 <@rattle> Ten officers shit, 3 dead
22:35 <@rattle> s/shit/shot/
22:36 <@rattle> This is not good.
22:36 <@oddball> All of them cops?
22:36 < aestetix> wait, cops were shot?
22:36 <@rattle> Ten police shot, 2 sniper shooters, 3 police dead.
22:36 <@oddball> (I'm seeing confused chatter about the wounded)
22:36 <@oddball> aestetix: I believe this is at the protests in Dallas right now.
22:36 < aestetix> fuck
22:36 <@rattle> Lots of fog here.. I wouldn't trust any numbers as accurate.
22:37 < aestetix> Killing a cop changes everything.
22:37 <@rattle> But this is clearly VERY bad.
22:37 <@oddball> yep
22:37 <@oddball> I know a few folks that have said "well, guess I'm going to just hide in my house this weekend."
22:37 <@rattle> Still an active shooter situation..
22:38 <@rattle> Snipers were at elevated positions.  Believed to be two.  No one in custody.
22:39 <@rattle> All reports are considered low confidence at this point.
22:39 <@rattle> But clearly, there's very bad shit going down.
22:40 <@rattle> I'd give high confidence to the reports on the number of police shot/killed, as they have checkin procedures for exactly this situation.  Low confidence on everything else.
22:41 <@rattle> I'm pouring a very stiff drink.
22:41 <@oddball> Yeah... usual first 24 hour fog.
22:45 < aestetix> It does seem like we haven't had a "slow news day" in well over a year
22:46 < aestetix> Partly because every time there is a lull, Donald Trump says some bullshit
22:51 < aestetix> that sucked
22:51 < aestetix> fuck I hate flash
22:51 < aestetix> my whoel system suddenly ground to a halt
22:54 < aestetix> I guess the one positive side of all this police drama is that it is much easier to make the case in my HOPE talk that we can't trust the police
22:55 <@rattle> We need to reform the police as such that we can trust them.
22:56 < aestetix> I agree.
22:56 < aestetix> However, in order to reform the police, people need to stop rioting in the streets and go to city hall
22:57 < aestetix> Well maybe riot to get city concil's attention, and THEN go to city hall...
22:58 <@rattle> hear hear
22:59 < aestetix> ..... as you can learn about in my HOPE talk ;)
23:06 <@rattle> The Dallas police are distributing an image of a suspect.  They are holding to the theory of two shooters.
23:16 <@rattle> Four officers confirmed down..
23:39 < aestetix> fuck
23:40 < aestetix> BLM just lost any chance of public sympathy.
23:40 < aestetix> Honestly, at this point, given that they have started killing cops, they might get classed as a terrorist organization.
23:43 <@rattle> There was some serious gunplay.
23:46 <@rattle> Wonderful.  The suspect photo Dallas released was of someone not involved in the shooting.  The PD pulled a reddit.
23:47 < aestetix> oh wow
23:48 < aestetix> on an unrelated note
23:48 < aestetix> is there a web browser that does NOT suck?
23:57 <@rattle> No.  There is no technology that doesn't suck.  Every browser, os, device, application, etc.  It's all horrible.  It generally has been getting better, but it all still sucks, and it always will.  The sooner you accept this the better off you will be.
23:59 < aestetix> In order to block out all these stupid fucking ads, I need to use plugins , and then more plugins to trick the website into thinking I'm not using a plugin so it displays the page for me.
23:59 < aestetix> Either the ads or the plugins are prone to crashing, and the browser seems to let that just conquer the CPU for your entire system for a few minutes
23:59 < aestetix> Therefore, I would argue it's getting worse, not better.
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