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00:52 <@Catonic> ..
00:53 < aestetix> hi
00:53 <@Catonic> huh. I expected I'd be idled out
00:53 <@Catonic> this connection isn't terribly stable.
00:53 <@Catonic> that depaul thing is messed up
00:54 <@Catonic> I mean, it makes me feel old. But I can't believe how flipped over everything is.
00:54 < aestetix> yes
00:54 < aestetix> depaul completely fucked up
00:54 < aestetix> The best part.... it's not like they didn't do their homework on Milo.
00:54 <@Catonic> SJW is the worst movement aside from the Nazi party.
00:54 < aestetix> They clearly saw he would be a problem, because they tried to block him from speaking a few days before.
00:55 < aestetix> But even after all that, they *still* fucked up.
00:55 <@Catonic> and so milo gets to make a lot of money because he's a dating-across-racial-lines gay guy who is supporting trump.
00:56 <@Catonic> like... depaul should have shut that down because the SJWs basically are committing hate crimes against homosexuals.
00:56 < aestetix> yep
00:56 < aestetix> and a GAY ROMAN CATHOLIC
00:56 < aestetix> everyone forgets that
00:57 <@Catonic> how does that factor into depaul?
00:57 < aestetix> If someone is a gay roman catholic, that should set the stage for your expecations of them
00:57 < aestetix> It is a walking contradiction
00:57 < aestetix> Meaning that the person is likely a troll
00:57 < aestetix> "I suck black dick on saturday, and go to church on sunday"
00:58 <@Catonic> I don't really keep up with every religious angle, only enough to attempt to prevent the wrong people from mixing, i.e.: creating drama because militant atheist and avowed born-again lay preacher are in the same room.
00:59 <@Catonic> meh. I mean, probably, but I'm not going to judge him by the way he leads his life. That's between him and the church, and they
00:59 <@Catonic> ve probably had that change coming for a few centuries.
00:59 <@Catonic> He can always say he got it during confession.
01:00 <@Catonic> and by it, I mean more than a sacrement.
01:01 <@Catonic> ah, it was because it was BLM... so it was the crossroads of SJW, gay, and black anger... the police didn't know which side to protect from the other one and which one to beat.
01:01 <@Catonic> so they just didn't get involved since it was meta-level police trolling.
01:02 <@Catonic> "free speech" has been balkanized.
01:02 <@Catonic> there was a black lives matter protestor arrersted in Montgomery, carrying a gun at a demonstration.
01:03 <@Catonic> I pointed out to a gun-rights group that this man has been charged with a law we've been trying to get repealed for five years... and no police officer has been willing to charge anyone with that law because it's an opportunity to have it repealed or struck.
01:04 <@Catonic> there was much wringing of hands... because they didn't like how he carried. Not that he did carry. Not that he broke the law. But because his message wasn't one they wanted to be involved in besides the tangental issue of the specific law we'd been looking for the opening on.
01:04 <@Catonic> bunch of racists.
01:05 < aestetix> heh
01:10 < TheDukh> why was he invited to speak @ DePaul?  isn't Depaul a conservative catholic school?
01:12 < aestetix> yes
01:12 < aestetix> He's a republican catholic
01:12 < aestetix> and the republican club invited him to speak
01:14 < aestetix> The whole BLM movement has turned into a disease, IMHO
01:14 < aestetix> It started out as a movement to reform police, which is good.
01:14 < aestetix> And now it's turned into a mess.
01:15 <@Catonic> if there's one thing I get tired of, it's pidgin legal advice.
01:15 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9PNE4BMluk
01:15 < PigBot> Title: DONALD J TRUMP FULL INTERVIEW WITH JIMMY KIMMEL (5/26/2016) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hktt8ws
01:15 <@Catonic> "Lemme grab yo titty, if you were a cop, you wouldn't let me."
01:16 <@Catonic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yax3W96k4PI
01:16 < PigBot> Title: Best COPS Ever!!! Idiot TRIES to rob an undercover Cop. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/p6fptdx
01:17 <@Catonic> 1:55 "You're not a cop are you?"
01:21 < TheDukh> I feel sorta strange, I agree with what Trump's campaign is saying about student loans and higher education
01:21 < TheDukh> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/05/13/trumps-campaign-co-chair-describes-higher-education-policies-being-developed
01:21 <@Catonic> I see a lot of bad advice followed.
01:21 < PigBot> Title: Trump's campaign co-chair describes higher education policies being developed (at www.insidehighered.com) http://tinyurl.com/jfq5jmp
01:36 <@Catonic> how's that? That the middle-class leaving school should "throw off their yokes of financial oppression?"
01:48 < aestetix> I agree
01:48 < aestetix> You can do that by moving to berlin
01:48 < aestetix> Germany does not recognize US credit
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06:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:21  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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06:43 <@RangerZ> http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/26/us/pentagon-floppy-disks-nuclear/
06:43 < PigBot> Title: U.S. is still using floppy disks to run its nuclear program - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/j87gs9c
06:43 <@RangerZ> FML
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07:00 < aestetix> RangerZ: what is wrong with Oberlin
07:00 < aestetix> seriously
07:00 <@RangerZ> obrlin college?
07:00 < aestetix> yes
07:00 <@RangerZ> no idea what you mean
07:01 < aestetix> www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/30/the-new-activism-of-liberal-arts-colleges
07:01 < aestetix> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/30/the-new-activism-of-liberal-arts-colleges
07:01 < PigBot> Title: The Big Uneasy - The New Yorker (at www.newyorker.com) http://tinyurl.com/hzrcs6n
07:01 <@RangerZ> ohh this https://theweek.com/speedreads/626361/oberlin-students-want-abolish-midterms-grades-below-c
07:01 < PigBot> Title: Oberlin students want to abolish midterms and any grades below C (at theweek.com) http://tinyurl.com/hk6gzou
07:01 < aestetix> Also, I'm still marvelling at just how badly DePaul fucked up
07:03 <@RangerZ> DePaul?
07:03 <@RangerZ> I haven't beek keeping up with the news lately
07:03 <@RangerZ> been keeping my head down and actually doing research *gasps*
07:03 < aestetix> http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/24/milo-yiannopoulos-protesters-storm-stage-depaul-university/
07:03 < PigBot> Title: Activists Crash Stage, Threaten Milo Yiannopoulos at DePaul (at www.breitbart.com) http://tinyurl.com/hvdfz8t
07:04 < aestetix> DePaul fucked up on so many levels.
07:04 <@RangerZ> He's an asshole, and not worth listening to on most topics, but that doesn't mean you should assault him
07:05 <@RangerZ> that should be left to aestetix's talks
07:05 < aestetix> I think he's hilarious
07:05 < aestetix> lol
07:05 < aestetix> Well the thing is, the college tried to prevent him from speaking a few days before, by changing the rules and making the organizer fork up an extra thousand dollars for security
07:05 < aestetix> So Breitbart covered the fee, and when those activists got on stage, the security did nothing.
07:05 <@RangerZ> Facebook feed of Joy Karega, an assistant professor of rhetoric and composition at Oberlin. The posts suggested, among other things, that Zionists had been involved in the 9/11 plot, that isis was a puppet of Mossad and the C.I.A., and that the Rothschild family owned “your news, the media, your oil, and your government.”
07:06 <@RangerZ> HAHAHAHAHA
07:06 < aestetix> So now Milo is waging a war on DePaul demanding they refund him for the security guards he had to pay for
07:06 < aestetix> oh yeah
07:07 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I laughed at that too. I thought everyone was on the same page about "jews did 9/11" being a troll, not something that actual humans believed.
07:07 <@RangerZ> no
07:08 <@RangerZ> Trump proves that a lot of people believe nonsense like that
07:08 < aestetix> Because the airplane hijackers were totally jews
07:09 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I would go so far as to say that these "people" you refer to qualify as members of some lesser subspecies.
07:10 < aestetix> the blacks?
07:10 <@RangerZ> Homo Eroticus
07:10 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Trump supporters.
07:10 <@RangerZ> because they are afraid of gays because if ... if being gay is legal... everyone will be gay.. because the only reason they aren't gay is because of the laws... wait...
07:11 <@RangerZ> again... whenever you think "there is no way people can be this stupid..." ... never forget... http://gawker.com/5992352/crisis-averted-when-tennessee-lawmakers-discover-muslim-foot-bath-is-actually-just-a-mop-sink
07:11 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
07:12 < _NSAKEY> Anyone who actually believes in Dumpster Fire Donald deserves the crushing let-down that's coming their way.
07:12 <@RangerZ> I hope
07:12 <@RangerZ> the problem is...
07:12 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Yeah, most of TN's state level politicians have room temperature IQs. They make it pretty impossible to forget that.
07:13 <@RangerZ> Clinton is one of the worst campaigners I've ever seen
07:13 <@RangerZ> and Elizabeth Warren this week has outshined her so much that it isn't even funny anymore
07:13 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, she has an opponent that's straight out of Who Framed Roger Rabbit... and she's LOSING.
07:14 < _NSAKEY> If I didn't think she was part robot, I'd assume that that fact makes her cry herself to sleep at night.
07:14 <@RangerZ> She's the only person who has attacked trump's strengths and gotten under his skin, to the point where he calls her Pocahontas now b/c she has what... 1/16th native american blood
07:15 <@RangerZ> I'm -not- a Clinton hater/supporter but... she has ran a pretty shitty campaign... because I can't find anyone who can tell me the 'point' of her campaign
07:15 <@RangerZ> other than 'make another Clinton president'
07:15 < _NSAKEY> Her last name is Clinton. That's the only point there is to her campaign.
07:15 < _NSAKEY> There is literally no other reason for her to be there.
07:16 <@RangerZ> "I'm with Her" is such a BS reason
07:16 < _NSAKEY> I really wanted to see Trump vs Sanders, if only because it would be a hilarious rejection of the establishment on both sides.
07:16 <@RangerZ> I still think she's going to win... but only because Trump has a cap on the % of people who would ever vote for him at ~47%
07:17 <@RangerZ> and THANK GOD that Sanders has ran... because without him pushing Clinton to be more liberal on a lot of issues... Trump would be attacker her from her Left on a LOT of issues
07:17 <@RangerZ> such as TPP, Trade, Min. Wage
07:17 <@RangerZ> etc
07:18 <@Dolemite> The point is that she's actually a moderate.  Half republican and half democrat in terms of her platform views.  She's the middle ground between the extremes of Drumpf and Sanders.
07:18 <@RangerZ> nah
07:18 <@RangerZ> Sanders isn't even that liberal
07:18 <@Dolemite> He's socialist
07:18 <@RangerZ> he's a moderate in EU
07:18 <@RangerZ> no, he's a Social-Democrat
07:18 <@Dolemite> No, he brands himself as a social democrat, but he's more socialist than democrat
07:18 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: But we're not in the EU, are we? Your comparison is meaningless since we're talking about US politics.
07:19 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: no, I'm comparing against 'real' extremes
07:19 < _NSAKEY> I don't give a single fuck about the EU's political spectrum.
07:19 <@RangerZ> not limiting myself to the narrow neo-liberal range that Democrats have to chose from normally
07:20 <@Dolemite> All things said, though, I expect Johnson to walk away with double digit percentages of the vote this November
07:20 <@RangerZ> I want a _real_ liberal to run to do nothing other than show that "you know... school (including college for those who want to go) shouldn't put you debt for your life", etc.
07:21 <@RangerZ> Dolemite: god I hope so, because most if not all of that will come from normal GOP votes
07:21 <@RangerZ> because ~50% of the Democratic vote is a vote against Trump and ~50% of the Republican vote is a vote against Clinton
07:21 <@RangerZ> as of recent poll
07:22 <@RangerZ> and GOP has already said that it is "looking at how to redo its primaries"
07:22 <@RangerZ> hahah
07:22 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: How much of the vote do you think Deez Nutz will carry?
07:23 <@Dolemite> < 1%
07:24 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: First we need to undo the marketing from the 1980s that made everybody believe that they had to go to university to succeed.
07:28 <@Dolemite> Because if anything, we have now proven that a university degree is not the key to success.  Look at all the folks who racked up $200K in educational loans just to get a job making $35K/year.
07:28 <@RangerZ> I don't know if I agree or disagree with that as a whole... I think it needs tweeked to include 2 more years of cumpulsory educatin though, because 18 years obviously isn't enough, though I agree that the 'traditional 4 year liberal arts(old term, not new meaning) education' isn't what many let alone most people need.
07:29 <@RangerZ> I'd say 2~3 years of skills training would be a better fit for most people
07:29 <@RangerZ> but again, free, and up to the person which direction they go, etc.
07:30 <@RangerZ> teach people to not be repomen ;)
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07:38 <@RangerZ> here go you go aestetix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD-JD5kqttw
07:38 < PigBot> Title: WTF Is Pup Play? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zw79y2u
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07:48 <@RangerZ> Now Up to 58 Accusers of Bill Cosby...
07:48 <@RangerZ> jesus...
07:49 <@Evilpig> Pretty sure he molested me too, where do I put my name for the check?
08:02 < Guest45794> I'll sign that, only if he signs it Cliff Huckstable
08:11 < aestetix> god I hate the regressive left
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08:15 < aestetix> rattle: excited about the debate?
08:17 <@rattle> Once I think it's actually going to happen, I'll probably be very excited.  Right now, it's just another flame in the fire of rhetoric, most of which I don't give a thought to after acknowledgement.
08:19 <@rattle> Since things got Trump'ifed, it's been very disorientating.  I'm distancing myself from the political cycle a bit.  Following it real-time is almost asking to be either brain washed or brain fried.
08:27 < oddball> I will report that there were as many groans and negative comments at the NRA convention when it was announced that the NRA would support Trump.
08:27 < oddball> er, as many groans and negative comments as applause.
08:30 < aestetix> oddball: who else would they support
08:30 < aestetix> rattle: it must suck to be timball
08:31 < oddball> There was serious discussion from the membership about just saying "fuck it," and not supporting anyone.
08:31 < aestetix> Actually the political world feels a lot like the student activism world right now
08:31 < aestetix> lots of anger, lots of yelling and screaming, not much substance
08:32 <@rattle> timball is most likely having the time of his life and loving every moment of it.
08:32 < oddball> There was also talk of actually supporting Gary Johnson (the probable Libertarian canidate), but that would require recognizing a third party.
08:33 < aestetix> Gary Johnson is awesome.
08:33 < aestetix> I might actually vote for him.
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08:35 <@oddball> He may get my vote this year.  Need to do more research.  Sure as hell not going to vote for someone that has publicly declared me the enemy or someone that just wants to watch the world burn.
08:36 < aestetix> declared you the enemy?
08:37 <@oddball> Yep.  Clinton has, in clear language, stated that gun owners, and NRA members specifically, are the enemy of the state as far as she's concerned.
08:37 < aestetix> Too bad there's the 2nd amendment.
08:37 <@oddball> Oh, she's not bothered by that.
08:38 <@Dolemite> oddball: Is there some actual context to that claim?
08:38 <@oddball> She has also publicly declared that SCOTUS was wrong in the Heller decision.  You know, the one where they told DC that a total ban on the ownership of firearms was not a "reasonable restriction."
08:39 <@oddball> Dolemite: She's said it multiple times during speeches talking about her desire to ban guns.
08:39 <@oddball> And how she's going to defeat the NRA.
08:39 <@Dolemite> I've seen some of those where snippets were cut out that made it sound more extreme than the full context.  That's why I'm asking.
08:39 < aestetix> well I mean
08:40 < aestetix> If idiots get guns, natural selection will make it so there are fewer idiots
08:40 <@oddball> Dolemite: Understood.  And I always try to actually get the context.
08:40 <@Dolemite> Now I do have to say that the NRA has gone way off the rails.  Founded to promote firearm safety through education, but now the biggest lobbying group for pushing legislation in each state to allow people to carry guns without ever having been educated on their use and safety.
08:42 <@oddball> Actually, the NRA is rarely all that involved with the "constitutional" bills.  The NRA is actually one of the more moderate groups.  You want to see the real whack jobs?  Look at the Gun Owners of America.
08:42 < aestetix> I suspect the gun violence is more about the economic issues than anything else.
08:42 <@oddball> s/constitutional/constitutional carry
08:42 < aestetix> Many of which are caused by a combination of the private prison system and outsourcing of jobs.
08:43 < aestetix> aka nafta
08:43 < aestetix> I hear Europeans complain about the Schengen tariffs all the time.... you have to pay duties on goods imported from outside the EU
08:43 < aestetix> But they don't realize what happens if you don't have that in place.
08:44 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah, most gun violence in the US is in poor urban areas... which is probably mostly gange related.  This is why LA saw a massive improvement when they started the midnight basketball and gang mediation programs.  Damn shame neither side actually like those sorts of programs.
08:44 < aestetix> Figures.
08:45 < aestetix> A lot of that gang violance is also due to the war on drugs.
08:45 < aestetix> I'm actually curious what would happen with gun violence if they ended the war on drugs.
08:46 < Guest45794> I don't recall hearing much about major gun violence until the war on drugs, actually
08:47 <@oddball> I'm guessing you consider prohibition part of the war on drugs? :p
08:48 <@oddball> And it was definitely there.  You're actually significantly less likely to be shot now than in the 50's.
08:49 < aestetix> You'd never know that if you listen to college kids
08:49 <@oddball> As much as we hear about it, it's actually safer in the US than it has been for 100 years.
08:49 <@oddball> aestetix: I try to avoid the Triggerly Puffs of the world.
08:49 < aestetix> lol
08:52 <@oddball> Oh... and there's news about another "protest" outside of a Trump rally that used to be classified as a riot.  Of course, it's the Trump supporters that are organizing actual brownshirts, not the Dems.
08:55 <@oddball> Oh, speaking of firearms, I think I found my new carry piece: http://newsimg.ngfiles.com/237000/237015_japan.jpeg
08:55 < PigBot> oddball: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 30480 bytes.
08:57 <@oddball> I think it might fit in that little watch pocket on jeans.
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11:45 <@Catonic> pocket juice?
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13:28 < Guest45794> that moment you hear a vendor start swearing like a drunk george carlin
14:30 <@rattle> Yeah, that's a good one.
15:23 < aestetix> donald trump
15:45 <@rattle> Quit with the trigger words dude.
16:04 <@Mirage> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36389711
16:04 < PigBot> Title: The long legacy of the floppy disk - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/zakaxre
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18:45 <@RangerZ> http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/05/26/479639936/germ-resistant-to-antibiotic-of-last-resort-appears-in-u-s
18:45 < PigBot> Title: Germ Resistant To Antibiotic Of Last Resort Appears In U.S. : Shots - Health News : NPR (at www.npr.org) http://tinyurl.com/jbo9zuk
18:46 <@RangerZ> They named it E.Coli.Trump
19:27 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/Parker9_/status/735343313314848768
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