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01:02 <@RangerZ> http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/americas/2016/04/26/google-fiber-drives-down-us-internet-prices
01:02 < PigBot> Title: Google Fiber drives down US internet prices | Americas | BDlive (at www.bdlive.co.za) http://tinyurl.com/h7ds8pr
01:02 <@RangerZ> aww poor comcast
02:00 < aestetix> you know
02:00 < aestetix> every time trump's name is mentioned in the media, he gets more attention
02:00 < aestetix> maybe if the news just stopped covering him, he'd go away
02:01 < aestetix> I can't think of a single day in the last nine months where the NY Times didn't have "Trump" somewhere in the front page.
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09:24 < dasunt> http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/26/us/racist-texts-san-francisco-police-officer/index.html <- Ummmm, "Burn down walgreens and kill the bums," isn't something that a police officer should say, but I don't see how it is racist.
09:24 < PigBot> Title: Documents: Racist texts sent by San Francisco cop - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/j3gg9o6
09:27 < dasunt> The other stuff he says is pretty eyebrow raising.
09:39 < aestetix> Hmm.
09:39 < aestetix> Is it metaphor by chancce?
09:39 < aestetix> since the regressive left tends to take everything literally
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09:58 <@Mirage> I just might have to buy this one:  http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/trump-for-fuhrer-2016/
09:58 < PigBot> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: TRUMP FOR FUHRER - 2016 (at www.tshirthell.com) http://tinyurl.com/jb2jffs
09:59 < dasunt> I'm still finding this election to be one of those cases of "who do I hate the least?"
10:01 < dasunt> We have the leftist, the moderate neolib, some sort of moderate neocon, crazy-face, and crazy-head.
10:03 <@Mirage> One of the guys yesterday here at work said somethign to the effect of: "At least with Hillary you know that she will have no problem lying, cheating, stealing, or burning everything to the ground to get what she wants."
10:03 <@Mirage> "Trump you just have to wonder about"
10:03 < dasunt> LOL.
10:04 < dasunt> Trump is similar, but he probably has no problems lying, stealing, or burning everything to the ground to spite others.
10:05 < dasunt> So is the Simpsons the only series that "predicted" a President Trump?
10:08 < dasunt> Wikipedia says so.  But they don't have anything for Hillary, and I do recall reading a SF book with a passing reference to President Hillary Clinton.
10:11 <@oddball> Mirage: I have to agree with his assesment of Trump, but Hillary honest?
10:11 <@oddball> Of the group, I'm pretty sure that Bernie's the only one that you can actually believe he says what he means.
10:12 < dasunt> No.  Sanders swung to the left on gun control to grab votes.
10:12 <@oddball> Sanders was always on the left on gun control.
10:13 < dasunt> oddball: What makes you say that?
10:14 <@oddball> The only time he's voted "pro-gun" was for the law that stops people from suing gun companies for making guns that actually work.
10:14 <@oddball> He voted for the assault weapons ban every time it's come up
10:15 <@oddball> He's stated several times throughout his carreer that he wants more restrictions on guns.
10:15 <@Mirage> oddball: The point with Hillary was that it's known that she is a diehard politician and that she's anything but honest and will do whatever it takes to forward her own agenda.
10:15 <@oddball> ah, ok.  I guess I misread the statement.
10:16 < dasunt> oddball: OTOH, he voted against background checks.
10:16 <@Mirage> No, you read it right...just derived the wrong meaning from it.
10:16 < dasunt> oddball: And voted against restricting guns from Amtrak.
10:17 < dasunt> I put Bernie in the pre-election season as a moderate on guns, not a leftist.
10:18 <@oddball> The Amtrack bill, oddly enough, caused restrictions that didn't previously exist (Naienko's step-father worked for Amtrack at the time.  According to him, they just handled guns as standard luggage)
10:18 < dasunt> What Bernie was saying wouldn't be that unfamiliar of a position to a Reagan Republican.
10:18 <@oddball> If you're talking about the most recent universal background check bill, that was because it was a terrible, terrible bill.
10:18 < dasunt> Now he's into pure leftist gun insanity.
10:20 <@oddball> Let's see... going down the list.
10:20 <@oddball> voted for a magazine capacity cap
10:21 <@oddball> against a carry permit reciprocity bill (would make them recoginized in all states like Driver's Licenses are)
10:21 < dasunt> You do know that Reagan was for the Brady Bill and for the Scary Weapons Ban, right?
10:21 <@oddball> voted for entering the UN arms trade treaty, which was decisively anti-gun.
10:23 <@oddball> huh... he voted against the Brady bill, but for instant background checks.
10:23 < dasunt> How I view politics is that you can be pro-gun control and yet not leftist.  Admittedly, I do have some paleocon tendencies, and gun control isn't foreign to paleocons.
10:24 <@oddball> And I agree.  There are a number of right wingers/Republicans that are anti-gun.
10:25 < dasunt> Are you calling all gun control anti-gun?
10:26 <@oddball> Because, well... the upper echelon on both sides are cool with the idea of not letting us peasants have the most effect tools for defending ourselves.
10:26 <@oddball> pretty much.
10:27 <@oddball> Hold on, let me see if I can find a comic that pretty well explains why the pro-gun side is so hostile to gun control.
10:27 <@oddball> http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2013/11/08/cake-and-compromise-illustrated-guide-to-gun-control/
10:29 < dasunt> I wonder what the author of that comic would say about restrictions to selling firearms to violent felons who have used firearms to commit crimes in the past.
10:30 < dasunt> Or say selling fully automatic weapons to those convicted of trafficking in large amounts of drugs.
10:31 <@oddball> The current background check system is one of the few "gun control" measures that most pro-gun folks are willing to deal with.
10:32 < dasunt> I think the background check makes sense.
10:32 < dasunt> Penalties for straw buyers make sense.
10:33 <@oddball> Oddly enough, there was a bill a while ago sponsored by some pro-gun folks to allow access to the background check system, and the anti-gun folks voted against it because it wouldn't have left a paper trail.
10:33 < dasunt> I'd like to see some sort of good statistical-based method of figuring out what crimes do and do not result in forfieture of gun rights.
10:34 <@oddball> I know a lot of gun guys that would love a phone app where you put in the guy's info (but not record what gun is being sold), and have a go/no-go response.
10:34 < dasunt> I'm not sure if fully automatic weapons being banned has a visible effect on crime rates.
10:35 <@oddball> It hasn't.
10:35 < dasunt> I'm talking the '33 ban (or whenever it was).
10:36 <@oddball> the NFA tax in '34.  Wasn't a ban.  It was a $200 tax that also required an in depth background check.
10:36 < dasunt> Yep.
10:36 < dasunt> So what effect did that have on crime rates?
10:36 <@oddball> The actual ban didn't happen until '86.
10:37 <@oddball> There were all of 3 crimes involving a registered machine gun between '34 and '86.
10:37 < dasunt> Actually, AFAIK, it's still not a ban.
10:37 < dasunt> Some states ban them at the state level, but there's nothing in federal law that prevents you from jumping through loops and getting a machine gun.
10:37 <@oddball> It's a ban on all new machine guns.  You can still buy one if it was made and registered with the government before the '86 law took affect.
10:38 < dasunt> The NFA check is pretty severe though.
10:38 <@oddball> More of a pain in the ass that can take over a year to process.
10:39 <@oddball> I know a number of folks that have silencers (also NFA items), and a couple that own machine guns.
10:40 < dasunt> Now I want to say (but not sure if it's state or federal) that it also gives the right of officials to inspect your gun storage on short notice.  Knew someone on the east coast that avoided NFA guns because of that.
10:40 <@oddball> Oh, and that $200 price for the tax stamp was hard coded into the law.  The extra $200 these days is damn annoying, but $200 in '36 was down right prohibitive unless you were rich.
10:41 <@oddball> dasunt: I've heard that repeated by several folks, and I believe that's a myth.
10:41 < dasunt> Anyways.  For weapons that *are* used in crimes, run of the mill handguns is what you'd want to target.
10:42 < dasunt> But that won't happen for obvious reasons.
10:42 <@oddball> I think it comes from a number of folks that owned such guns also being "kitchen table dealers," and getting an FFL *does* give the government the right to inspect the property where the firearms are stored.
10:43 <@oddball> The big one being that handguns are also the number one type of firearm used for legitimate self defense.
10:43 <@oddball> They actually tried to get handguns on the NFA list back in the 30's, but they were far too mainstream.
10:44 < dasunt> I think we'd likely be better off, crime-wise, if they did.
10:44 < dasunt> TBH.
10:44 <@oddball> Oh, if you do have an NFA item, and you want to take it across state lines, you have to get a mother-may-I note from the government.
10:46 <@oddball> I disagree.  Handguns are used far more often to prevent crime than for crime.  Also, if you look at countries where they did ban/severely restrict handguns, there was either a raise in violent crime, or it stayed about level while the rest of the world was seeing a drop in violent crime.
10:47 < dasunt> Oh?
10:47 <@oddball> Hell, we have more guns on the street, more people carrying, and more lax gun control laws since the peek of gun control in the mid-90's, and we're currently seeing the least amount of violent crime across the board in a hundred years.
10:48 < dasunt> oddball: We've also had a ban in leaded gas as well as widespread legalized abortion.
10:48 <@oddball> yep
10:49 < dasunt> Probably slightly better social safety net, but maybe not.
10:49 <@oddball> And, for the record, I'm not going to argue "more guns = less crime," but I will argue that "more guns = more crime" is false.
10:49 < dasunt> I'd suggest more easily concealed and carried guns = deadlier crime.
10:51 <@rattle> The statistics do indicate "more guns == more accidents" is a thing..
10:51 <@oddball> Look at the violent crime rate of Australia since they banned most guns in the mid 90's (and heavily restricted the rest).  They saw an immediate spike in violence, follow by a plateau about where they were before, and saw a slow decline in the past couple years.  Compared to the US, where we've seen huge declines in violence over the same period while relaxing gun laws.
10:52 < aestetix> god I love this NIST stuff
10:52 < aestetix> They don't know how to handle it when I send an email "The definitions in this list make absolutely no sense. What about ___ and ___? If ___ arises, do I need to conclude ___?"
10:52 < dasunt> oddball: But did they ban guns because they were seeing a rise in violence?
10:53 < aestetix> The latest one was attacking their definitions of interaction and transaction
10:53 < aestetix> INTERACTION An event involving two or more entities. See TRANSACTION
10:53 < aestetix> TRANSACTION A specialized form of INTERACTION that involves an exchange of some
10:53 < aestetix> kind. See INTERACTION
10:53 <@oddball> They banned guns in response to a mass shooting.
10:53 < aestetix> who can tell me what the fuck those terms mean
10:53 <@oddball> Statistically, not really any increase in violence, but it was white children.
10:53 < dasunt> oddball: I'd have to look at the numbers.
10:54 < aestetix> But yeah I just accused them of making a circular definition.
10:54 < aestetix> Which as you can see, it fucking is.
10:54 <@oddball> Please do.  I would go find them for you, but I really should take Naienko to the doctor.
10:54 < dasunt> Okay, I'm looking.  Port Arthur was in '96, right?
10:54 < aestetix> rattle: does this sound familiar to you?
10:55 < dasunt> From what I've seen, Australia didn't have a meaningful movement in the homicide rate in the years since.
10:55 <@oddball> dasunt: Also, something that we started doing in the 90's was actually trying to attack the root cause of most of the violence.  Gang intervention, midnight basketball programs, etc.
10:55 < aestetix> my favorite part
10:55 < aestetix> On a related note, ENTITY is defined as "Any organization providing or using
10:55 < aestetix> identity services". Does this mean that if I log into a website, it is not an
10:55 < aestetix> interaction, because I am not an organization, and therefore only one entity
10:55 < aestetix> (the website) is present?
10:55 <@oddball> dasunt: yep, that's the shooting.
11:05 < aestetix> where is Dagmar?
11:05 < aestetix> he'd love this
11:10 < dasunt> oddball: Well, I'm interested in the data, but don't have time to search right now.
11:10 < dasunt> Unforgunately.
11:12 < dasunt> I know in the US, it's not how common weapons are, or how dense the population is, but appears to be regional for the firearm homicide rate.
11:15 < dasunt> Speaking of looking at the numbers, I'm reading a claim that battery-based storage tends to run about $0.10 per KWH at the cheapest (e.g. every 1 KWH you get from a battery bank, it'll cost you $0.10).
11:15 < dasunt> That's interesting if it's true.  It puts off-grid systems in a far different light.
11:18 < dasunt> Hmmm, Powerwall is $3k for 7kWH and does 5,000 cycles (at least), which is $0.086/kwH
11:36 < dasunt> I should look at my energy bill again and see what the payback period would be for a solar setups.
11:59 <@RangerZ> dasunt: I've been making that claim for a while now
12:00 <@RangerZ> get a 1k$ inverter, spend 1~2k$ on deep cycle batteries that don't emit hydrogen (b/c fuck having to 'gas' your batteries every few days and add water to them)
12:01 <@RangerZ> and then however much you want in solar panels
12:02 <@RangerZ> I just did the math on it, a 10k$ investment in solar panels, if you get 100$ worth of power each month (not an unreasonable estimate)
12:03 <@RangerZ> then if you give electricity costs a 1% raise each year... the solar panel investment is as good as or better than a mutual fund invested in the market with a 5% return each year
12:03 <@RangerZ> which is actually 2x better than the average mutual fund
12:03 <@RangerZ> mind you... this is assuming you install it yourself
12:04 <@RangerZ> b/c 50%~66% of solar costs is now in 1) setup and 2) regulations
12:04 <@RangerZ> the 'trick' to using solar for cheap is to NOT tie into the power grid
12:06 <@RangerZ> if you spend 1k$ total and do nothing but run a small window AC unit in the summer, and a space heater in the winter it more than makes up for itself in a few years, by reducing the amount of power you have to draw from the power grid.
12:09 <@RangerZ> I haven't yet done the calculus and/or linear algebra to determine the exact cost/benefit curves for different investment levels/payback rates/etc.
12:10 <@RangerZ> other than 10k investment and 100$/mo energy savings with a 1% price increase in electricity a year
12:11 <@RangerZ> sure, you are better off investing money if you can get 10% return each year... but if you could do that... you wouldn't be in this channel, you'd be too good for us and be a friend of the Koch Brothers
12:12 <@opticron> RangerZ, yeah, I've been looking at that, too
12:12 <@opticron> grid-tie equipement is expensive
12:13 <@RangerZ> actually it isn't , the expensive part is hiring the electrician, b/c fuck you if you think its safe for you to do it yourself, also... the cost of the power company giving you a meter to measure giving back, lol
12:13 <@opticron> but also, if you're looking to run things on solar/batteries, you need to get DC versions so you're not spending lots of money on a big inverter and losing efficiency
12:14 <@opticron> I guess "expensive" is relative
12:14 <@RangerZ> opticron: if you buy one of the BIG 1$k inverters, the efficiency becomes MUCH HIGHER and it doesn't become that big of a deal
12:14 <@opticron> most of my poking around is with smaller solar setups
12:15 <@RangerZ> apparently you can use one of the big inverters on even smaller solar setups
12:15 <@RangerZ> and you then have expansion built in
12:15 <@opticron> scaling would be nice
12:16 <@RangerZ> my 'plan' is 1$K inverter, 1~2k in those deep cycle non-hydrogen leaking batteries... and then 'whatever I can afford in solar cells'
12:16 <@opticron> SLA?
12:16 <@RangerZ> last summer I spent a fair amount of time looking into this
12:16 <@opticron> or AGM?
12:17 <@RangerZ> honestly I don't know at this point, I'm still a few years from my own investment, so I just wanted to know about the 'tech' and costs, rather than specific hardware
12:19 <@RangerZ> think SLA
12:20 <@RangerZ> also, you need a solar charger, which I forgot to mention
12:20 <@RangerZ> thats another 1$k
12:20 <@opticron> yeah, I've heard them referred to as charge controllers
12:20 <@RangerZ> that way you can later add more solar cells
12:21 <@RangerZ> opticron: yeah, thats the real name
12:21 <@RangerZ> none of this tech is 'unique' to solar
12:22 <@RangerZ> also, there is the added benifit that you can put the charge controller and the inverter in a feriday cage, buy some extra diodes for your solar cells, and there you go EMP proof electricity ;)
12:22 <@opticron> you're making me want to go price this out again
12:23 <@opticron> maybe when my current roof goes bad I'll have them install solar up top, too
12:23 <@RangerZ> opticron: I have thought for the past 2~3 years that solar was a better investment than the stock market (for most people)
12:23 <@opticron> and $/W is only going down
12:24 <@RangerZ> and honestly, that doesn't even matter now
12:24 <@RangerZ> the cost of the -panels- now isn't that much of the overall cost
12:24 <@RangerZ> we've hit the point on the log curve where other costs matter more
12:25 <@opticron> that's fun, last I looked the panels were still most of the cost
12:25 <@opticron> but it's been a while
12:25 <@RangerZ> installation (which you 'could' do yourself) is ~40~50% of the cost depending on where/how you install them
12:25 <@RangerZ> the mounting equipment still costs money of course
12:26 <@RangerZ> and from what I could tell they want to rape you over the cost of the power wires
12:30 <@RangerZ> but overall... yeah... if you buy an 'off grid' system, there is apparently not much that the power company or others can say about it (unless you have HOA, and then you have bigger issues)
12:31 <@RangerZ> and once you consider that Germany gets less sun per year than NE Ohio....
12:31 <@RangerZ> and it gets ~25% of its power from solar now... nationally
12:31  * opticron made sure to avoid HOAs when purchasing a house
12:32 <@RangerZ> the idea of 'only' getting 6 hours 'direct' of sunlight a day compared to 5 in Ohio and 4.5 in Germany
12:32 <@RangerZ> (in TN at least)
12:32 <@RangerZ> becomes kinda laughable
12:33 <@opticron> I need to have a large tree removed if I'm going to do rooftop solar
12:33 <@RangerZ> opticron: depending on your lawn + other situations, I would just as easily say put it in your yard on wodden stand
12:33 < dasunt> RangerZ: Why not assume a 4% return (after inflation) per year?  That seems to be what an index fund averages.
12:34 <@RangerZ> dasunt: the rate i saw for 'average mutual fund' was 2.56% a year
12:34 <@RangerZ> or something like that
12:35 <@RangerZ> but even assuming 4%, the 10k investment still wins out
12:35 < dasunt> Yep, the average mutual fund sucks because most of them don't match an index fund's returns, and then management fees eats into them.
12:35 <@RangerZ> you need 5%/yr to 'tie' the 10k investment
12:35 <@opticron> RangerZ, what are you looking at for panels?
12:36 <@opticron> RangerZ, what panels seem to be the best deal right now?
12:36 < dasunt> If I lived in TN still, I'd be tempted to price out the cost of a solar panel system just to run A/C.  No batteries.
12:36 <@RangerZ> I wasn't looking at any in particular, i was doing purely theoretical math, but 1$/month for 100$ invesetment seemed reasonable to me
12:37 <@RangerZ> so 1000$ to get 10$/mo and 10k to get 100$/mo
12:37 <@RangerZ> if you could actually get more of a return... then it only 'helps' solar
12:39 < dasunt> Hmmm.
12:40 <@RangerZ> those numbers were based off 'roughly' from math I'd done before
12:40 < dasunt> Speaking of energy, I can get a gas range off of Craigslist.  Current range is electric.
12:40 <@RangerZ> electric is cheaper
12:40 <@RangerZ> to operate
12:40 < dasunt> It is?
12:41 <@RangerZ> well... depending on where in the country you live
12:41 <@RangerZ> I don't even know the cost here in TN
12:41 < dasunt> Okay, looking at something online, and I guess pilot light models are bad.
12:42 <@RangerZ> << has gas for water+heat... but I have it auto-withdrawl and I barely use it by keeping the temp at 65 in here in the winter
12:42 < dasunt> http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/gas.html
12:42 < PigBot> Title: Gas vs. Electric Appliances - How to compare operating costs (at michaelbluejay.com) http://tinyurl.com/6rqxtzg
12:42 < dasunt> I know gas furnaces are way cheaper to operate than electric heaters in MN.
12:42 <@RangerZ> yeah
12:43 <@RangerZ> but if I lived in MN, the first thing I'd buy is solar water heater
12:43 <@RangerZ> and use radiant heat in the winter
12:43 < dasunt> We live in darkness in winter.
12:43 <@RangerZ> nope
12:44 < dasunt> Yes.
12:44 <@RangerZ> not compared to alberta canada
12:44 < dasunt> It's kind of sad, in the middle of winter, I don't see daylight on my commute.  :(
12:44 <@RangerZ> and that is where the guy I was following did that
12:44 < dasunt> If I had the cash, I'd probably look at a ground loop heat pump.
12:44 < dasunt> And if I was insane, since I live in a small house that doesn't really gain much from efficiency like that.
12:45 <@RangerZ> what I'm thinking about is acutally the vacuum tubes
12:45 <@RangerZ> they have vacuum tubes which heat up water via solar radiation, and then you can use that heat in your house
12:45 <@RangerZ> or pre-heat your water tank
12:46 < dasunt> Hmmm, parts of Alberta look better than MN.
12:47 <@RangerZ> lets be honest... parts of 'everywhere' look better than MN
12:47 <@RangerZ> ;)
12:49 < dasunt> The weather keeps the riffraff out.
12:50 <@RangerZ> how did they let you in then?
12:50 <@RangerZ> special exemption?
12:50 < dasunt> :p
12:52 <@RangerZ> did it take a decree by the governor?
12:53 <@RangerZ> hehe
12:53 <@RangerZ> your biggest issue with solar is snow drift
12:54 <@RangerZ> so you just need to pay the local children to get up onto your roof and brush the snow off
12:54 <@RangerZ> -_-
13:34 <@RangerZ> oh fuck...
13:34 <@RangerZ> its 80 degrees in my apt
13:35 <@RangerZ> I thought it felt warm , but I didn't realize until I got up out of bed and started moving around
13:35 <@RangerZ> me: 'okay... why is it hard to breathe in here... oh fuck... 80 degrees and 60% humidity... yeah... that'd do it...'
13:35 <@RangerZ> sorry 70%
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14:59 <@RangerZ> fucking lawn crew's weedeater ate up the control wires to my external AC unit... :/
15:14 <@opticron> lame
15:58 <@RangerZ> also... fuck this news story/opinion piece (actually not it itself, but what its talking about)
15:58 <@RangerZ> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/only-voter-suppression-can-stop-bernie-sanders_b_9780128.html
15:58 < PigBot> Title: Only Voter Suppression Can Stop Bernie Sanders (at www.huffingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/jdyyztc
15:58 <@RangerZ> apparently e-voting is turning its ugly head back up in NY
15:59 <@RangerZ> reports of voting machines only letting you properly pick Clinton
15:59 <@RangerZ> we need to get rid of electronic voting and go back to simple scantron paper ballots, none of this 'hanging chads' shit, none of this voting machines running close source software BULLSHIT
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16:16 < aestetix> lololinton
16:50 <@RangerZ> dasunt: opticron so I just did the math, my 10k$ investment calculations were off
16:50 <@RangerZ> would need 9.741248097412482 KW array size in TN to save 100$/month
16:50 <@RangerZ> the array would be ~10k
16:51 <@RangerZ> that doesn't include the batteries, charge controller/inverter (at higher ends, they can be in the same unit)
16:57 < aestetix> wtf is a feminist hacking magazine
16:57 < aestetix> http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-8-feminism-and-unhacking/
16:57 < PigBot> Title: Issue #8: Feminism and (un)hacking » The Journal of Peer Production (at peerproduction.net) http://tinyurl.com/z2yjakn
16:59 <@RangerZ> thats the volume title, not the seriest title
16:59 < dukh> inventive ways to destroy the patriarchy?
16:59 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Ask your girl crazypants on twitter. She'd probably know all about that.
16:59 <@RangerZ> http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-8-feminism-and-unhacking/peer-reviewed-papers/hacking-the-feminist-disabled-body/
16:59 < PigBot> Title: Hacking the Feminist Disabled Body » The Journal of Peer Production (at peerproduction.net) http://tinyurl.com/zx7hv2z
16:59 <@RangerZ> it points to this article
17:00 <@RangerZ> firt fucking line...
17:00 <@RangerZ> [Introduction
17:00 <@RangerZ> I am not a hacker or a maker. I do not tinker or tailor, knit or bake. I am more likely to buy it than DIY it. So, why should I write an essay on hacking the feminist body? ]
17:04 <@RangerZ> firt thing... she didn't use fucking Chicago Style guidelines when it comes to citation refrencing
17:04 <@RangerZ> which is fucking _unexcusable_
17:10 <@RangerZ> so back ontop real issues...
17:10 <@RangerZ> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/215555-0-55-per-watt-from-solarcitys-record-breaking-new-solar-panel
17:10 < PigBot> Title: $0.55 per watt from SolarCitys record-breaking new solar panel | ExtremeTech (at www.extremetech.com) http://tinyurl.com/p8l7dm9
17:11 <@RangerZ> so nevermind, my cost estimates were actualy fairly accurate
17:16 <@sasquatc3> have to start looking in to solar one of these days, it is big around here, id say 1 out of every 10-20 houses in my neighborhood has it
17:19 <@sasquatc3> apparently alot of the power companies around here are lowering all the rates and tacking on fees though since so many are using it
17:20 <@RangerZ> soon the 'connection to the power grid' fee is going to be more per month than most people pay for electricity
17:20 <@RangerZ> 'soon' = actually a long time, but 'soon' (TM)
17:20 <@RangerZ> lol
17:21 <@RangerZ> and I'm perfectly fine with paying a fee to upkeep the power grid instead of it being 'bundled' into my electricity cost
17:21 <@RangerZ> as it is now
17:21 <@sasquatc3> right, well theres and article here about the power company south of here was trying to tack on a 50$ fee, so someone they interviewed his bill was 100$ before, dropped to 60-70 from solar city, but once they tack on the 50$ fee it now costs more
17:22 <@RangerZ> which is why I am a proponent of 'off-grid' systems being used alongside grid power
17:22 <@RangerZ> never connect the two
17:22 <@RangerZ> yes... kinda odd to have two power systems in the house... but keeps both safer, and no 'fees' from power company
17:23 <@RangerZ> "what do you mean?" "these solar panels don't connect to your power grid, you can go fuck off now, and have to pretend they don't exist"
17:23 <@RangerZ> hehe
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19:57 <@RangerZ> so trump won all 5 states tonight
19:57 <@RangerZ> god... we're going to have trump vs clinton
19:58 <@RangerZ> that is the only scenario where clinton might actually lose...
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20:00 <@RangerZ> and its not like I really care about clinton... but we just can't have a president trump... look at Italy with how Berlusconi... 'behaved himself' http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/05/berlusconi-sex-scandal_n_845000.html
20:00 < PigBot> Title: Inside Berlusconi's 'Bunga Bunga' Parties: Explosive Details Of Italian Prime Minister's Sex Scandal (at www.huffingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/3l3k5d9
20:01 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: if you're gonna start with bravely second anytime soon, now would be good...
20:02 <@RangerZ> why? lol
20:02 <@Evilpig> I think i'm about half way through now.  got my lunar colony all rebuilt
20:02 <@Evilpig> I have roughly half of the asterisks now, but none maxed just yet
20:03 <@RangerZ> i haven't been playing any video games, been busy as fuck with coursera, and re-organizing my apt and some other stuff
20:04 <@Evilpig> I'm probably gonna pick up the new nintendo humble bundle
20:07 <@RangerZ> didn't realize there was one yet
20:07 <@RangerZ> wow... Freedom Planet looks like a sonic game done right since 1999
20:08 <@Evilpig> just came out today.  but it looks decent.  I think darksiders ii is worth it on its own
20:10 <@RangerZ> I heard suprisingly good things about Shantae and the Pirate's Curse too
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20:11 <@RangerZ> picked it up, but I don't want to deal with entering all the codes and shit now
20:11 <@RangerZ> sadly nintendo's new site still doesn't let you do that
20:12 <@Evilpig> it's tied into their store now
20:12 <@Evilpig> so if you buy something you just get coins instantly
20:13 <@RangerZ> ahh
20:13 <@RangerZ> thats good at least
21:25 <@Evilpig> jesus  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/fashion/millennials-mic-workplace.html
21:25 < PigBot> Title: What Happens When Millennials Run the Workplace? - NYTimes.com (at www.nytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/hwcpz5x
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23:05 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: thats nothing
23:05 <@RangerZ> a friend of mine faked a DHS paper stating that he had to go in for "foreigner inspection" to see if his greencard was to be granted 'final approval'
23:06 <@RangerZ> and the reason he did that was to get time off work to go to E3
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