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02:16 < aestetix> ugh
02:17 < aestetix> is there any news place that is readable?
02:17 < aestetix> salon, slate, nytimes, cnn, etc are all too shitty now
03:12 <@Catonic> no
03:12 <@Catonic> they all excessively suck.
03:12 <@Catonic> Semi-usable if you remove Javascript support
03:12 <@Catonic> but then Forbes is like NAH
03:22 < aestetix> I mean the content, not the content
03:22 < aestetix> Like I can deal with crappy ads and javascript
03:22 < aestetix> but the actual writing is terrible
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06:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:34  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: you'll be proud of me
07:19 < aestetix> I am attacking NIST at its most vulnerable weak point: making it generate more bureacracy.
07:19 < aestetix> If I keep throwing hard questions at NSTIC people, they will be forced to spend time addressing them, and eventually the time alloted for creating the standard will run out and they won't have a standard.
07:41 <@RangerZ> and how is that a good thing?
07:42 <@RangerZ> also you are forgetting something very important
07:42 < aestetix> Either a bad document never gets out, or a good standard does come out.
07:42 <@RangerZ> most of the people at NIST have a team of helpers
07:42 <@RangerZ> be them undergrads, grads, or employees
07:43 < aestetix> you'd think they would be doing a better job at answering my questions then
07:49 <@opticron> aestetix, I'd like you to focus your efforts on Congress
07:49 < aestetix> opticron: they are already doing a fine job of not doing anything
07:50 <@opticron> ehhhh
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07:59 <@RangerZ> opticron: lets not encourage him, knowing aestetix he'd setup a gay prostitute with meth for every 'family values' candidate
08:07 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you can tell your twitter'ers "see you are gaining equality" http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/health/suicide-rates-rise/
08:07 < PigBot> Title: U.S. suicide rates up, especially for women - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/gwfah6t
08:58 < aestetix> http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/swedes-tell-britain-if-you-leave-the-eu-well-follow/
09:16 <@dasunt> RangerZ: Hmmmm, have women's suicide rates reached men's yet?
09:17 <@dasunt> Also, that Brexit article is biased.
09:22 <@dasunt> Just look at the numbers of the Brexit poll for Swedes.  The polls show Sweden would likely vote to stay in the EU.
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10:13 <@dasunt> Some thinking.  Rural towns are the result of small enterprises, usually farms, which don't exist in cities for obvious reasons (e.g. farms take up room, the farmer has to go somewhere to shop and sell goods, there's a limited travel time and maximum speeds, ergo you get a bunch of tiny little towns scattered across the eastern portion of the US).
10:14 <@dasunt> Technology has marched on though.  Average farm is much more automated (and much larger) resulting in fewer people making more food.
10:15 <@dasunt> Also, getting and selling is opened up to a wider range - you can Amazon your consumer crap, and a semi truck may come 100 miles at harvest time to get your goods.
10:16 <@dasunt> So small towns are serving fewer people.  Ergo, small towns dying are to be expected.
10:23 <@RangerZ> dasunt: only 7% of the US population lives in 'rural' areas
10:23 <@RangerZ> which is why the GOP is doomed
10:23 <@RangerZ> lol
10:23 <@RangerZ> demographics hurt curmudgens
10:24 <@RangerZ> which is why they are so anti-good education, because that drives people to be more progressive too
10:25 <@dasunt> State and federal senates do wield disproportionate power though.
10:30 <@RangerZ> yeah
10:30 <@RangerZ> they are designed that way
10:30 <@RangerZ> they are our equivilant to the house of lords
10:31 <@RangerZ> when you start thinking of it that way... it starts to make sense to move to parliment
10:31 <@RangerZ> but then you realize how many stupid people there are in the US
10:32 <@RangerZ> and it makes me think about moving to a consitional monaarchy where we trade back and forth between 2 familes, the Bush(s) and the Clinton(s)
10:32 <@RangerZ> which is basically where we are at anyways
10:32 <@RangerZ> and at this point... I can only hope that Clinton wins
10:32 <@RangerZ> b/c Trump is.... dangerous
10:33 <@dasunt> I actually have wondered if instead of a senate, we should have a legislative house with members selected through sortition (a lottery).
10:33 <@RangerZ> and he's already pivoting to out flank Clinton on the left on a lot of issues
10:33 < dukh> There are a lot of stupid lottery winners though...
10:33 <@dasunt> dukh: True.  But we'd still have the democratically elected house.
10:33 <@RangerZ> dasunt: have you seen the house right now?
10:33 <@dasunt> So any stupid must work thorugh both the house and the sortition.
10:34 <@RangerZ> stupid is the only thing that DOES work its way through the republican controlled house
10:34 <@dasunt> RangerZ: So I don't expect much to get done.
10:35 <@dasunt> Also, 1 person may be randomly stupid, but wouldn't 100 people (or 500, or whatever it would take for a proportionate sampling) would have some wisdom, else the whole idea of democracy is a little fucked.
10:40 <@RangerZ> dasunt: I want to use the same logic as to why I think personal ownership of guns is stupid
10:40 <@dasunt> Oh?
10:40 <@RangerZ> I want you to picture in your mind... 'the average person in america'
10:41 <@RangerZ> now think about the fact that there are 150 million people who are stupider than that image
10:41 <@RangerZ> Q.E.D.
10:41 <@RangerZ> ;)
10:41 <@opticron> RangerZ, stop making me sad
10:42 <@dasunt> But look what we have now - congress is mostly millionaires or greater, 80% male, 90+% Christian, and almost entirely white.
10:42 <@RangerZ> dasunt: and you should realize that you are describing your betters
10:42 <@RangerZ> just ask them
10:42 <@dasunt> Of course.
10:42 <@RangerZ> 'meritocracy' supposedly
10:43 <@RangerZ> its basically the modern day version of "god rewards the righteous by making them rich"
10:44 <@RangerZ> opticron: then I won't link you this either https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHj3ngZnvs
10:44 < PigBot> Title: Blade Runner Sequel Coming Sooner Than Expected - GS News Update - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zqbkmvt
11:08 < aestetix> lol NIST just tried to school me on latin
11:08 < aestetix> so I replied "semper ubi sub ubi"
11:12 <@sasquatc4> heh, the only thing i remember from latin class ^
11:15 <@RangerZ> something about swearing alligience to Ubisoft?
11:15 <@RangerZ> << Q.E.D. is the extent of my latin knowledge
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11:30 <@dasunt> It's probably too late to hope that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are caught together in the backseat of a limo, right?
11:30  * dasunt wouldn't mind a major sex scandal removing both of them from the race.
11:31 <@RangerZ> dasunt: you never know... the DC Madam's Lawyer is saying the phone records of hers that he hasn't yet released ARE important to the presidential race
11:31 <@RangerZ> my hope is that it trump
11:32 <@dasunt> I'm hoping it's almost everyone.
11:33 <@dasunt> I realized something the other day - I have no idea what the fuck Hilary's campaign is about.
11:34 <@dasunt> I know Trump wants to keep Muslims out and build a wall.  Bernie wants free college and taxing the rich.  Hilary wants...
11:38 <@dasunt> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/hillary-clinton-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/
11:38 < PigBot> Title: What does Hillary Clinton believe? Where the candidate stands on 12 issues | PBS NewsHour (at www.pbs.org) http://tinyurl.com/kvysfc3
11:43 <@RangerZ> dasunt: that has been The Young Turks' issue with her for a long time, well one of them... that she doesn't have a 'message' other than 'bernie bros', and "that's sexist"
11:44 <@RangerZ> like how a protester threw dollar bills at her SUV to protest her taking big money
11:44 <@RangerZ> they said it was sexist b/c it was saying she is a stripper or something
11:45 <@RangerZ> which does NOTHING other than 'cry wolf'... and when Trump does (and he will) say something sexist, then when says its sexist... trump/fox news/etc will say 'she is just crying wolf again'
11:45 <@RangerZ> :/
11:55 <@dasunt> Did she have the free college talking point before or after Bernie made it an issue?
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12:06 <@RangerZ> dasunt: not 'free'
12:06 <@RangerZ> 'debt free' college
12:07 <@RangerZ> she wants them to work 20hours a week in work study to "earn" their college
12:07 <@RangerZ> because their parents paying taxes for 20+ years, and them themselves being a produtive member of society has -no- benefit in her arguement
12:10 <@Dolemite> When everybody goes to college, a college degree will no longer be a differentiator
12:10 <@Dolemite> just sayin'
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12:21 <@RangerZ> Dolemite: yes it will, it will depend on how good the univ. you went to
12:21 <@RangerZ> lol
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12:28 <@Dolemite> See that's another problem
12:28 <@Dolemite> MTSU costs a hell of a lot less to attend than MIT
12:28 <@Dolemite> whether you are in state or not
12:28 <@Dolemite> What exactly does 'free college' mean?
12:30 < aestetix> Not free as in beer.
12:36 < aestetix> Why does Donald Trump have the most reasonable opinion IMHO on the fucking NC transgender bathroom thing.
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12:53 < dukh> I'd wager the southern states have a better alcohol selection than the northeastern Ivy's
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13:00 <@Evilpig> I swear, the geek squad is just about fucking criminally negligent in this case
13:00 <@opticron> what did they do this time?
13:00 <@dasunt> Geek squad has accused me of fraud back when I was doing consumer tech work.
13:01 <@opticron> that's cute
13:01 <@opticron> what do they call what they do?
13:01 <@Evilpig> This old woman who is on unemployment.  they told her they couldn't fix her desktop that got malware installed on it and tricked her into buying a new one
13:01 <@Evilpig> It has some type of malware on it that it says it requires a password when windows boots
13:02 <@Evilpig> I'm in the safe mode of windows 10 now and working on doing a restore prior to it's installation
13:02 <@Evilpig> then I have to work with her to find out who the fuck she paid supposedly from geeksquard to fix this
13:02 <@dasunt> TBF, this is Geek Squad, maybe they literally couldn't fix a malware infestation.
13:02 <@Evilpig> geeksquard told her that they couldnt' fix it and she needed a certified person from microsoft and gave her a number to call 
13:03 <@Evilpig> again it's running windows 10 so at the worst case I could boot it into safe mode and do a full restoration
13:03 <@dasunt> Geeksquad's reaction to Evilpig:  R U a H4CK3R?
13:04 <@Evilpig> yes
13:04 <@Evilpig> and i'm not an idiiot
13:04 <@dasunt> It's cause you know that F8 magic, doncha?
13:04 <@Evilpig> so... first thing I did when I got here was get her new computer set up and de-lenovo'd
13:04 <@Evilpig> setup the printer
13:04 <@Evilpig> reset the access point because she had no idea what the password was 
13:05 <@Evilpig> so now it has a new ssid and a password of "Rubys Secure Password"
13:05 <@Dolemite> SSID of "EATMEGEEKSQUAD"
13:05 <@Evilpig> THat's tempting
13:06 <@RangerZ> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/22/475210901/uber-settles-two-lawsuits-wont-have-to-treat-drivers-as-employees
13:06 < PigBot> Title: Uber Settles 2 Lawsuits, Won't Have To Treat Drivers As Employees : The Two-Way : NPR (at www.npr.org) http://tinyurl.com/jh8bnd2
13:06 <@RangerZ> someone got PAIDDDDDDD
13:07 <@Evilpig> so... if this restore works and there isnt' any malware left on this bitch and she finds her receipt showing she bought the replacement less than 30 days ago i'm gonna march her ass over to best buy and eat a geek squad drone for lunch
13:07 <@dasunt> Oh goodie.
13:08 <@dasunt> I love this race to the bottom of the capitalist cesspool.
13:08  * Dolemite pops some popcorn
13:08 < aestetix> Evilpig: does she have any naked photos?
13:08 <@Evilpig> aestetix: don't know, don't wanna now
13:08 <@Evilpig> know*
13:09 < aestetix> why? is she fat?
13:09 <@Evilpig> she's 85
13:09 <@dasunt> Dear Uber:  This whole growing an underclass of temp "contractors" has a tipping point which doesn't end that well.
13:10 <@RangerZ> dasunt: hell at least they are -still- giving them SOME money
13:10 <@RangerZ> that won't even happen here soon
13:10 <@RangerZ> automated vehicles are going to be enough for 90%+ of uber users
13:10 < aestetix> Evilpig: get some before it goes bad
13:10 <@RangerZ> tell her to take out her dentures and get to work
13:10 < aestetix> Evilpig: why are you working tech support for an 85 year old?
13:13 <@Evilpig> I do have some info for the supposed company that "cleaned" her pc
13:16 < aestetix> info in the form of nude pix?
13:16 <@Evilpig> http://tinyurl.com/j5f9qd6
13:16 < PigBot> Title: gist:901697a87249b3a09fdaaca0d64e4599 · GitHub (at tinyurl.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5f9qd6
13:16 < aestetix> Evilpig: ever seen Harold and Maude?
13:23 <@RangerZ> so I'm thinking of having some fun... calling up comcast and telling them my offer
13:23 <@RangerZ> 'your company argues that we are -equal entities- under the law, so I'm telling you my offer.'
13:59 <@Evilpig> indian "adam" broke his american accent after I started throwing around the word "fraud"
14:03 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Those support companies are like Uber for tech support.  I signed up on one of the job sites back when the fuckers in Congress were talking about government shutdown.  They simply post jobs on a board that you sign up for, with little or no qualification testing.
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14:04 <@Evilpig> this was clearly and indian call center
14:04 <@Evilpig> an*
14:04 <@Evilpig> I could hear them in the background very clearly
14:04 <@Dolemite> I did exactly two jobs with them before I realized the ones I was taking were only paying enough because they were mop-up jobs from somebody else fucking it up
14:04 <@Dolemite> One was correctly assembling the headboard for a Craftmatic Adjustable Bed, paid $175.
14:05 <@Dolemite> The other was resetting a Windows 7 laptop password for someone and it paid $75.
14:05 <@Dolemite> Most of the time those jobs are about half as much.  Fuck the gig economy.
14:19 < aestetix> good fucking god
14:20 < aestetix> Vince Gillian is.... either a prophet or satan.
14:20 < aestetix> Better Call Saul is one of the most intense shows I have ever seen.
14:44 <@RangerZ> to be fair... the only other thing he watches is barney and teletubbies
14:44 <@RangerZ> and the occasional spongebob episode
14:45 < aestetix> and a german show called Benjamin Blumchen
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16:07 < aestetix> so many emails
16:07 < aestetix> in some ways I hate HOPE years
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18:11 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voL3e0iqugo
18:11 < PigBot> Title: [9:39] 11 Exit Code Injection Speedrun in Super Mario World - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jxp99xv
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19:27 <@RangerZ> am I the only one who doesn't really care about Prince dying? I think its worth metioning, but thats about it
19:27 <@RangerZ> I felt the same with Michael Jackson
19:31 <@opticron> RangerZ, I don't care either
19:31 <@opticron> and same about MJ
19:38 <@RangerZ> like I 'get' why it is news worthy, but its not 'that' news worthy
19:39 <@RangerZ> how about talking more about how the Flint MI water investigation charged 3 people with criminal charges
19:39 <@RangerZ> and how the governor is likely to not be charged, despite the fact that the state AG has said that 'no one is exempt'
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