--- Log opened Sat Apr 16 00:00:29 2016 00:18 <@RangerZ> too brown 00:18 <@RangerZ> canadians are white 00:19 <@RangerZ> and june/july I can't wait for Cruz to steal the nomination , or have it stolen from his thief hands 00:19 <@RangerZ> either way, trump will be pissed and sue 07:29 <@RangerZ> interesting, dagmar isn't online 07:30 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/12/3ds-owners-get-tired-of-searching-for-streetpasses-build-their/ 07:30 < PigBot> Title: 3DS owners get tired of searching for StreetPasses, build their own Nintendo Zone relaysEngadget (at www.engadget.com) http://tinyurl.com/mxpw4qr 07:30 <@RangerZ> apparently dagmar wasn't the only one who figured out how to do this 07:51 < aestetix> man 07:51 < aestetix> The Omega Man reminds me so much of the regressive left 08:45 <@RangerZ> aestetix: again, I'll warn you of the use of that term 08:45 <@RangerZ> doesn't matter if you think it is fitting, it labels you 08:46 <@RangerZ> as a 'harrisite' (being a sam harris defender), among many other possibilities 08:46 <@RangerZ> and it is dangerous to say that 'islam is the motherload of all bad ideas', etc. 08:47 <@RangerZ> one sky god is as good/bad as another 08:48 <@RangerZ> and there is geo-political reasons why we can't call out islam 08:49 <@RangerZ> its a shitty situation, but that's the reality that decades of neo-liberal and neo-conservative ideologies has given us 09:45 < aestetix> huh 09:45 < aestetix> RangerZ: what would you prefer then 10:13 <@RangerZ> surrounding just north of isreal down to the arabian penninsula with a giant wall 10:13 <@RangerZ> and tell religious zealots that you can kill as much as you want in there 10:13 <@RangerZ> Escape from NY style 10:14 <@RangerZ> give everyone a year to move out 10:14 <@RangerZ> the UN helps everyone migrate in or out as they see fit 10:15 <@RangerZ> and then we let them fight it out for the rest of eternity in that sand trap 10:18 <@RangerZ> but what to call 'regressive left' instead of that term... well it depends, 'pragmatists', 'realists' is a good start, but that only covers a subset. 10:18 <@RangerZ> because 'regressive left' has been a 'catch all' term to encompass too broad a group of people in the first place (on purpose) 10:19 <@RangerZ> basically anyone who doesn't think 'islam is worse than christianity' has that label applied to them 10:20 <@RangerZ> I'm sorry... but the Uganda 'kill the gays bill' is certainly christian, considering that american evangelicals are who went over there to convince them to pass it 10:21 < aestetix> uhhhhhh 10:21 < aestetix> I think neither pragmatists or realists describes them 10:21 < aestetix> they are basically the left wing version of the tea party 10:22 < aestetix> And when I say regressive left, I don't mean those who hold views I think are stupid. 10:22 < aestetix> I mean the ones who actively try to censor stuff they don't like. 10:22 < aestetix> And shut down events, etc 10:46 <@RangerZ> thats my point though, 'YOU' use the term to mean that 10:47 <@RangerZ> but that isn't what the term is being used for 10:47 <@RangerZ> it is being used to refer to people who won't call out islam 10:47 < aestetix> that's because they are idiots 10:47 <@RangerZ> and? 10:48 <@RangerZ> just like how 'gamergate' has a point about journalism as a whole, saying you are 'pro gamergate' is basically social suicide if you want to have any influence 10:48 <@RangerZ> unfortunately 'regressive left' has the same baggage now 10:49 <@RangerZ> and personally I'd prefer 'regresive left' to mean 'corprate('third way') democrats' 10:49 <@RangerZ> like both Clintons 10:50 <@RangerZ> but what 'we' want a term to mean... unfortunately doesn't matter much 10:59 < aestetix> uhhhh 11:00 < aestetix> what is this "we" 11:13 <@RangerZ> the collective 'we' 11:13 <@RangerZ> what 'either one of us' wants the term to mean doesn't matter 11:17 <@RangerZ> my arguement is more of a logistical one, less of a moral/etc. one 11:18 <@RangerZ> I'm just saying that you weaken your standing online by using a loaded term like that 11:18 <@RangerZ> regardless if you were/are aware of the connotations that others have around the term 11:28 < aestetix> what word is NOT loaded? 11:34 <@RangerZ> love sex and god 11:35 <@RangerZ> but if you want to ignore friendly advice, have at it 11:38 <@RangerZ> because there are always alternative words that are more fitting, german is perfect example of a language that seems to be built on that notion 11:47 < aestetix> your friendly advice seems like "censor yourself and you won't get trouble" 11:58 <@RangerZ> yes 11:58 <@RangerZ> that is exactly it 11:58 <@RangerZ> glad you finally realized 11:59 <@RangerZ> but I wouldn't call it 'censorship' I would call it 'not being stupid' 11:59 <@RangerZ> but if you feel not saying stupid things is censorship, then I can't help you on that 12:00 < aestetix> I don't think "regressive left" is stupid. I think it's accurate. 12:00 <@RangerZ> it just depends on if you actually want to be an 'influencer' or not. 12:00 <@RangerZ> again, 'your idea' of a word doesn't matter in English 12:01 <@RangerZ> it how it is taken, and in English, the speaker is the one at fault if a point isn't given perfectly 12:01 <@RangerZ> there is no room for interpretration like in korean or japanese 12:07 < aestetix> You are correct. There are no words in English that have multiple meanings. 12:08 <@RangerZ> who said that, I said it was up to the speaker/writer to be clear about a point 12:09 <@RangerZ> I never said it was the word's responsibility on its own 12:09 < aestetix> So if I say a word, it is my fault if someone is offended by it? 12:10 <@RangerZ> if you are aware that it will cause offense, yes 12:10 < aestetix> How will you be aware? 12:10 <@RangerZ> and if you are unaware, then you (are suppose to | should) appologize for the confusion 12:10 <@RangerZ> by being a member of society 12:11 <@RangerZ> where is it written that certain racial terms are offensive? 12:11 < aestetix> Ok. So if someone was raped by a clown, and I say that I think clowns are funny, that is offensive? 12:11 <@RangerZ> no, thats funny 12:11 <@RangerZ> ohh wait... 12:11 < aestetix> lol 12:12 <@RangerZ> if you said it on purpose to fuck with them, then yes, it would be offensive to that person 12:12 < aestetix> Can someone topic that RangerZ thinks clown rape is funny? 12:13 <@RangerZ> but the key is ... do OTHERS think it is offensive 12:13 <@RangerZ> and in that case, if others know about it, then it can cause you harm socially 12:14 < aestetix> what happens when the meaning of a word changes over time? 12:14 <@RangerZ> the term 'macaca' is a good exmaple of that. i'd never heard of it before the politician was taped on a phone saying it about a hispanic 12:14 < aestetix> like how for decades everyone used the word "tranny", and now that word is considered "offensive" 12:15 <@RangerZ> I wasn't aware it was offensive to a set of society, but OTHERS WERE, and that is what mattered (well the fact that those 'others' were journalists with platforms) 12:16 <@RangerZ> if you want to be less effective socially, you can use whatever term you want, but if you want to have any political power, be it actual political, or social power... then these things matter 12:16 <@RangerZ> its shitty that it does 12:16 <@RangerZ> honestly we'd be a lot better off with engineers and scientists just making rational evidence based decisions 12:16 <@RangerZ> but we don't live in a society like that 12:17 <@RangerZ> (obviously we'd still need moral guiance, so don't bring up theoretical nonsense about sacrificing some for the 'rational' good of the many, etc) 13:53 < aestetix> I just learned a new word 13:53 < aestetix> "presstitute" 13:53 < aestetix> I love it 14:14 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-48-111.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:36 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-134-209-49.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 15:39 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@2601:282:780:143c:3989:6b5d:c899:b77e] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:16 -!- northrup [~northrup@50.241.205.147] has joined #se2600 16:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o northrup] by ChanServ 16:20 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-48-111.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 16:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 17:13 -!- northrup [~northrup@50.241.205.147] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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When the guest replied yes, the other person punched him in the face and took the tickets from his hand. The suspect fled in an unknown direction. 22:02 <@RangerZ> 22:02 <@RangerZ> The suspect seen leaving the area was described as an African American male, approximately 6-foot tall, with braided hair shoulder length, and wearing white t-shirt, 20-25 years of age. 22:02 <@RangerZ> at least the security warning was of something 'real' this time 22:02 <@RangerZ> mind you... still hours late... 23:31 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-134-209-49.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-50-134-209-49.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sun Apr 17 00:00:31 2016