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07:09 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnv2ZhUqVRs
07:09 < PigBot> Title: Im A Little Teapot Drumming - JOEY MUHA - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hfjscwz
07:19 -!- Dagmar_ is now known as Dagmar
07:19 <@Dagmar> bleh
07:20 <@Dagmar> Have a slight race condition and dhcpd
07:20 <@Dagmar> I'm sure there's a way to arbitrarily delay the startup of dhcpd but I'm just going to ignore it for now
07:30 < aestetix> http://gawker.com/national-enquirer-ted-cruz-has-had-at-least-5-extramar-1767002606
07:30 < PigBot> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
07:35 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Can the DHCP security solution be repurposed to fix your problem?
07:53 <@Dagmar> Nah
07:54 <@Dagmar> It's just resulting in some weirdness where occasionally DHCPd can't see the DHCP requests coming over one of the dongles
07:54 <@Dagmar> Kind of annoying but nothing that can't be fixed by just re-hotplugging the damn wireless dongles
07:54 <@Dagmar> ...that is, if I don't strangle this motherfucker on G+ talking nonsense at me
07:55 <@Dagmar> There is a twisted irony in having some tool citing howtogeek articles at me about AP spoofing considering what hardware I'm working with right the fuck now
07:55 <@Dagmar> He wants to argue that a hidden SSID means users have to ask for it which _somehow_ creates an _added_ vulnerability that can facilitate AP impersonation
07:56 <@Dagmar> ...which we know to be fucking nonsense.
07:56 <@Dagmar> Match MAC and SSID, have higher S/N ratio, profit.
07:57 <@Dagmar> Without WPA2-EAP or the protocol talked about at PN16 in place, those two steps are it, period
08:01 <@Evilpig> I've had my SSID hidden for years.  :P
08:02 <@Dagmar> It takes only a moment to find out what it is if anyone is connected to it.  This we know
08:02 <@Dagmar> ...but what this guy is talkign about is just fuckin' crazy-talk
08:04 <@Evilpig> i'm hiding in my office today.  wondering how long before anyone pokes their head in here
08:04 <@Evilpig> have any of y'all seen this new show on FX called "baskets" ?
08:11 <@Dagmar> I've seen commercials
08:12 <@Dagmar> ...and I've seen probably twice many pieces which pretend to be reviews but are also basically commercials for it.
08:12 <@Dagmar> So... I'm staying away.
08:27 <@Dagmar> aestetix: http://www.atlbanana.com/emory-student-pain-so-deep-heated-land-rover-seats-cant-evaporate-the-tears/
10:03 <@sasquatc4> hmm, i wonder if there is a disconnect between cost of living areas or something, gotta interview a kid who is basically a fresh grad, but would be a contractor. Its through a local company though so they should know COL differences
10:03 <@RangerZ> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/03/25/emory-student-its-not-about-chalk-its-about-the-message-trump-sends-to-people-of-color/
10:04 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: The read operation timed out. http://tinyurl.com/zqbn6dc
10:04 <@RangerZ> if anyone wants to know about the emory story's background
10:04 <@sasquatc4> and they want 56/hr, so if you exclude benefits and time off, thats like 85-90k/yr, for a fresh grad not in silicon valley
10:04 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: where are you?
10:04 <@sasquatc4> denver
10:05 <@sasquatc4> im pretty sure our normal starting at this point for a fresh grad is like ~65
10:05 <@RangerZ> 80~90k isn't unusual for a top vandy grad
10:05 <@RangerZ> but...
10:05 <@RangerZ> 2 things in that
10:05 <@RangerZ> 1) top 2) vandy grad
10:06 <@sasquatc4> right, like im pretty sure if you were the top in my EE/CmpE program you could probably hit 80 even 10 years ago, but yea, TOP
10:07 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Because apparently chalk is white and that's racist or something?
10:08 <@sasquatc4> i dunno just seems a ridiculous amount for a fresh grad, like we have another contractor that we work with on a project, but it also only took us a week to get him up to speed on our tools and process. This is a new kid, its going to take him months
10:08 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: no
10:09 <@RangerZ> 'chalking' is an allowed thing in certain parts of campus
10:09 <@RangerZ> as it is a lot of places
10:09 <@Dagmar> Yeah I see that
10:09 <@RangerZ> its basically that some students are _scared_ of trump and what he represents
10:09 <@RangerZ> and honestly I do _not_ blame them for that
10:09 <@Dagmar> They should be, but this is stupid
10:10 <@Dagmar> ALL students should be scared of Trump.
10:10 <@Dagmar> The man is genuinely dangerous
10:10 <@RangerZ> I found the idea of a 'hispanic safe zone' a little odd
10:10 <@RangerZ> ...shouldn't they feel safe everywhere...
10:10 <@RangerZ> (not joking)
10:10 <@Dagmar> Talking up how only the minorities feel about it minimizes the fact that his presidential candidacy is a dire threat to everyone
10:11 <@RangerZ> problem is... Trump is only 10% more dangerous than Cruz
10:11 <@RangerZ> look at fucking lindsey grahm
10:11 <@Dagmar> ...but I've no idea why I expect the Washington Post to not engage in misrepresenting, link-baity URLs
10:12 <@RangerZ> compared having to pick between trump and cruz as 'poison or gunshot'
10:12 <@RangerZ> either way you end up dead
10:12 <@RangerZ> and now he's being a -spokesman- for cruz "well, you can maybe find an antidote for poison"
10:12 <@RangerZ> hehehe
10:12 <@Dagmar> The headline might as well read "It's not about a mouthful of bees, it's about the message Trump sends to people."
10:13 <@Dagmar> ...but hey, why not bait people who self-identify as PoC into clicking on the fucking link anyway
10:13 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=United+States&city=Denver%2C+CO
10:13 < PigBot> Title: Cost of Living in Denver, Colorado. Prices Updated Mar 2016 (at www.numbeo.com) http://tinyurl.com/ocspmun
10:14 <@RangerZ> compared to other citites I'm familiar with, such as nashville, Denver is inline with 65k 'being a good wage'
10:14 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: as long as it is 65k + benefits
10:15 <@RangerZ> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/25/overdue-vhs-copy-of-freddy-got-fingered-gets-man-arrested-after-14-years/
10:15 <@RangerZ> HAHAH
10:15 <@RangerZ> wtf...
10:16 <@RangerZ> saw that from the link I hadn't closed
10:17 <@Dagmar> Something went very awry there
10:17 <@Dagmar> A civil case shoudln't have gotten criminal case status over $200.
10:17 <@Dagmar> ...so no arrest warrant shoudl have ever been issues
10:17 <@Dagmar> er issued
10:17 <@sasquatc4> RangerZ, yea, 65+benefits, somewhere around there, might be a little less since echostar is stingy fucks, but its still a good wage
10:21 <@sasquatc4> so thats why looking at someone thats the equivalent of 90k seems ridiculous
10:27 <@RangerZ> 56/hr is 112k/yr
10:27 <@RangerZ> assuming 40hrs/week/50weeks
10:27 <@sasquatc4> yea, but i was getting rid of time off, benefits costs, etc, to see what a normal corporate salary would be
10:27 <@sasquatc4> since thats the contract rate is 56/hr
10:28 <@RangerZ> ahh
10:28 <@sasquatc4> i just dont know why we wouldnt go find a normal grad that was really good, offer them 75, and then now you have a real fulltime employee that isnt on contract where your wasting your time training them for 6mo
10:29 <@Dagmar> Contracting *should* be a bit pricier, because it's not year-round
10:29 <@RangerZ> yeah
10:30 <@sasquatc4> oh and yea, i got nothing against contracting in general, i just have an issue with contracting a fresh grad. Like we got a contractor now working on part of our project, but he's doing a section sort of unrelated to our code and he has experience
10:30 <@sasquatc4> so he took like no time to get up and running, this guy we are going to be training forever
10:30 <@sasquatc4> i dunno, whatever, just another reason to leave, only one more week
10:31 < dasunt> Damn it, my camping trip got canceled for entirely legitimate reasons.
10:31 <@Dagmar> Such as... bee invasions?
10:32 < dasunt> High chance of rain with temps ranging from freezing to 40F.
10:32 <@Dagmar> Ohh
10:32 <@Dagmar> Fuuuck that
10:32 <@Dagmar> I was going to guess "Wandering Castrationist On The Loose" next
10:32 <@Dagmar> s/Wandering/Freelance/
10:32 < dasunt> Yep.  It's possible, but this is just a 30 mile bike overnight camp, so it's 30 miles of wet misery there, no campfire, soggy campground, 30 miles of wet misery back.
10:33 <@Dagmar> Also called "Hypothermia, and Death"
10:33 < dasunt> I have a rain poncho and wool.  So just misery, most likely.  :(
10:34 < dasunt> I read "Wandering Castrationist" as "Wandering Creationist" at first, and that did sound like something to be avoided at all costs.
10:37 <@opticron> the wandering castrationist is just out there solving life's problems
10:39 < dasunt> ITYM "preventing a problem life".
10:49 < aestetix> RangerZ: glad you liked that study
10:49 < aestetix> Oh wait. Glad we were able to enjoy that study together.
10:53 <@RangerZ> so the new batman movie
10:53 <@RangerZ> ohh sorry
10:53 <@RangerZ> 'superman' movie
10:55 < dasunt> From what I hear, I can imagine it was pitched as "the last Batman movie made $X, the last Superman movie made $Y, so a Batman vs. Superman movie would make $X+$Y".  Then based on just the two superheroes being in the movie, the project with greenlit and nobody bothered to check to see if the script was any good.
10:56 <@RangerZ> is apparently 5 movies squished together
11:22 <@oddball> DC is also looking at all the money that Marvel's making with their movies.
11:27 < dasunt> Rotten Tomatoes is giving it 1.5 stars.
11:28 < aestetix> If fauxminists are so about equality, and pushing for women in tech, then why aren't they also pushing for more men to work in day cares?
11:28 <@oddball> dasunt: I was unaware that they gave stars now.  I saw that they gave it a 30%.
11:32 < aestetix> http://gawker.com/the-hogan-verdict-1766460791
11:32 < PigBot> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
11:33 < aestetix> This entire article is just... stupid.
11:34 <@oddball> Assuming that Hogan was rewarded damages "far larger" than he asked for, that means that the Gawker lawyers managed to seriously piss off the jury.
11:36 < dasunt> What did Hogan get for punative?
11:36 < aestetix> What I don't get
11:36 < aestetix> They are claiming that the case was not about the sex tape but about a tape with racist comments
11:36 < aestetix> And this is the first I have heard about racism being involved.
11:36 <@oddball> Oh, this is clearly written by a butthurt loser.
11:37 <@Dagmar> I'm surprised anyone at Gawker still thinks people care what they think,.
11:41 < dasunt> I think people do care about access to Gawker, even if they don't care about the company.
11:41 < dasunt> Tabloids wouldn't exist if there wasn't any demand.
11:45 < dasunt> aestetix: You are right, the butthurt is strong.
11:46 < dasunt> Also a "woe-is-me" mentality, where little Gawker has seen Hogan bamboozle the courts, plotting against Gawker in order to hide his racism.
11:47 < aestetix> Because Hulk Hogan totally has a past record of racism.
11:47 < aestetix> Whereas gawker has a past record of releasing private information
11:47 < dasunt> Oh, Hogan could be an out-and-out racist for all I know.
11:47 < aestetix> Sure. I don't care.
11:47 < aestetix> He has no record of it.
11:48 < dasunt> But Gawker published the old sex tape because it would give them hits, and now they are pretending to have the moral high ground.
11:48 < dasunt> Bullshit.
11:48 < aestetix> yiup
11:49 <@oddball> Pretty much.
11:49 <@oddball> And now they're playing the victim card.
11:51 < dasunt> Yep.
11:51 < dasunt> Gawker chased sleeze, and a court has decided that in their chase, they violated the law.  I'm not going to feel sorry for them.
11:52 < aestetix> The thing is
11:52 < aestetix> I think Hulk Hogan has every right to say "nigger" in private in his home.
11:52 < aestetix> I think gawker has absolutely no right to publish a sex tape of Hogan without his consent.
11:53 < aestetix> I also think he can say it publicly, but that's not what happened here.
11:53 < dasunt> Jebus, I'm reading the "Controversies" section on Gawker's Wikipedia page and they do scrape the bottom of the barrel.
11:56 < dasunt> What's this Gawker/4Chan feud that Wikipedia mentions in passing?  That seems like the sort of battle that no matter what, the winner is everyone else.
11:57 <@oddball> Oh, on similar note: I turned on the TV the other night and "the Internet Ruined My Life" was on.  I first thought "this might be amusing," then I quickly saw that it was Brianna Wu bitching about Gamergate.  I was actually panicking because the remote wouldn't change the channel fast enough.
12:06 < dasunt> I don't recall the Wu controversy.
12:07 < dasunt> I remember there was one, but not what it was over.
12:07 <@oddball> Lucky you.
12:07 <@oddball> She was in the middle of what started the whole gamergate shit show.
12:10 < aestetix> This racism stuff seems like a way to create public interest, where the public is angry regressive lefties who want to vilify others with witchhunts
12:11 < dasunt> I thought that was sorkensen or whatever her name was.  She seems to be caught in a controversy/increased profile feedback cycle.
12:12 <@oddball> Wu was the developer that was accused of sleeping around for good game reviews.
12:13 < aestetix> Which she did not do.
12:13 <@oddball> right
12:14 <@oddball> But this is the internet.  Silly things like "facts" rarely matter.
12:15 < dasunt> Why bother looking up facts when you can just adopt the position that already fits with your biases?
12:16 <@oddball> I've actually had arguments with people that ended with them telling me that the facts didn't matter.
12:16 <@oddball> I say ended, because I then called them a few choice words over that and refused to respond further.
12:18 <@oddball> Granted, I've pretty much had my mom do the same thing to me face to face "I just know that I'm a Grandmother, and that idea scares me."
12:22 < dasunt> Truthiness.
12:25 <@oddball> There's been a couple times that I've asked her "why aren't you terrified that someone will just decide to hop the curb and start running down pedestrians?"
12:29 < dasunt> Okay, looked up Brianna Wu.  What happened to her seemed to suck.
12:29 < dasunt> It's one thing to snark and bitch on the internet.  It's another thing to start doxing.
12:30 <@oddball> yep
12:31 <@oddball> Sadly, the entire gamergate thing quickly spiraled into which side could be the biggest douche.
12:31 <@oddball> One side would dox a high profile person on the other side, the other side would call in bomb threats on the first group...
12:40 < dasunt> Yep.
12:56 < dasunt> I clicked on clickbait.  :(
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14:08 <@RangerZ> 'gamergate' had a split second of potential, and then the MRAs and conservatives took it over... and lets just say... they aren't the best 'PR' reps
14:08 <@RangerZ> when it got the name 'gamergate' it was already over
14:09 <@Dagmar> Well, it was a little more time than that, but the game people would only ever respond to or acknowledge the extremists with the fact-deficient arguments, which made it all pointless
14:10 <@RangerZ> nah, the entire thing was a joke from the beginning except to people who actually cared
14:11 <@RangerZ> the problem was that it was too vulkanized from the start
14:11 <@RangerZ> too many special intrest groups wanted to jump on the bandwagon
14:11 <@Dagmar> ...and there, in a nutshell, is the problem we're seeing loads of today.
14:12 <@Dagmar> THe dumbasses who just wanna yell hatefully at other people under the guise of being "constructive" completely drown out everyone trying to work towards an actual solution
14:13 <@RangerZ> "(internet famous) athiests", Conservatives (Adam Baldwin (Jayne Cobb from Firefly), and the smaller minority of people who actually thought "hey... this is probably 'fine' _BUT_ there DOES need to be better disclosure, etc."
14:13 <@RangerZ> and then you had feminists, tumblr, and later 'the media'
14:14 <@RangerZ> I would consider myself in the ~10% or so who didn't want to call people names, but thought that disclosure is key to good journalism
14:15 <@Dagmar> "The media" that was accused should have stayed out of it, but they pretty much celebrated playing in a swimming pool full of fecal matter
14:15 <@RangerZ> just look at Comcast (owns NBC/MSNBC), and Turner (Owns CNN) being two of the top donors to Clinton
14:15 <@Dagmar> _Knowing_ they could drown out any dissenting voices
14:16 <@RangerZ> sanders in his ('sadly' as what some might say say) TYT interview was the only place I ever heard that
14:16 <@RangerZ> there is a reason why academic journals are double-blind
14:17 <@RangerZ> I -personally- reviewed two papers a little while ago, as a team of people
14:17 <@RangerZ> me not knowing the people who wrote the paper helps eliminate bias from my personal POV
14:20 <@RangerZ> mind you 'journalism' naturally can't be -that- analytical
14:21 <@RangerZ> but still, proper disclosure helps eliminate issues
14:21 <@oddball> Speaking of the fucking cable companies: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2016/mar/17/defeated-backers-muni-broadband-bill-criticiz/355708/
14:21 < PigBot> oddball: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
14:21 <@RangerZ> even if I read a pro-(whatever) piece, I won't discredit it just because the author writes that they have some ties to the topic
14:21 <@RangerZ> but if I _later_ find out they do, and that they didn't disclose it
14:22 <@RangerZ> _that_ makes me lose trust in them
14:22 <@oddball> State senators that shot down a bill to allow Chattanooga's municipal cable company expansion have been offered free airtime by Charter.
14:23 <@oddball> Because... you know... that's not fucking bribery.
14:23 <@RangerZ> http://goo.gl/wxtmWf
14:23 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
14:23 <@RangerZ> short link
14:23 <@RangerZ> for those who need it
14:23 <@Dagmar> I guarantee you they ran that by their lawyers first
14:24 <@RangerZ> oddball: its not 'bribary' since money = speech
14:24 <@RangerZ> that is why you can 'talk' to prostitutes as much as you want
14:24 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Upi
14:24 < _NSAKEY> Ugh.
14:24 <@RangerZ> bribery*
14:24 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You're insulting prostitutes by comparing them to politicians.
14:25 < _NSAKEY> A $10 an hour hooker has more honor than pretty much anybody who would run for public office.
14:27 <@RangerZ> thats the problem
14:27 <@RangerZ> I _would_ enter politics
14:27 <@RangerZ> but I refuse to spend 80% of my time begging for money
14:29  * Evilpig is done working for the week
14:29 <@Evilpig> 20+ tickets alone today.  done.
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14:45 <@RangerZ> the drive in in Franklin KY (only 30min north of nashville) has batman v Superman and then London has fallen this weekend
14:46 <@RangerZ> for 15$ for a carfull, its not a bad deal (7.50$ if you go by yourself, but they don't advertise that price publicly)
14:50 <@Evilpig> Or you could just burn $10 and be just as well off
14:52 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: But who the fuck wants to go to Kentucky?
14:52 < _NSAKEY> I'd rather burn a $100 than drive to Kentucky for anything.
14:52 <@RangerZ> *shurgs*
14:52 <@RangerZ> its not like TN is any better off
14:53 <@RangerZ> KY is fucked, but at least its politicans don't mistake fucking mop sinks for muslim foot baths
14:53 < _NSAKEY> At least in TN there are urban areas where you don't have to be surrounded by people like that, whose family trees are undoubtedly more like phone poles.
14:54 <@RangerZ> hey, just because Evilpig has blue-men in his family tree doesn't mean anything
15:03  * dasunt has dark fantasies about clubbing an interface designer to death with a baseball bat while shouting "see how the bat is simple, dumb, and yet very effective?"
15:05 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: Why do you want to rob him of the pain of being alive?
15:06 < dasunt> To feel pain requires a certain level of sentience.  Interface designers do not demonstrate the necessary level of sentience for pain.
15:10 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvSfTMIB04
15:10 < PigBot> Title: Watermelon Experiment Gone Wrong - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/z2ojq5f
15:12  * dasunt risks installing one of the vender's "enterprise" tools.
15:13 < dasunt> This tool is just to get software updates.
15:13 < dasunt> Not to install them, just to download them.
15:13 < dasunt> Installation of the tool does require a reboot.
15:13 < dasunt> WTF?
15:16 <@RangerZ> dasunt: prevents people from having to learn HTTP or FTP
15:16 <@RangerZ> or god forbid SFTP
15:28 < dasunt> That's too difficult.  Instead, I get to learn an entirely new software interface!
15:28  * dasunt mutters something about this is why daddy drinks.
15:43 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: So if he's too stupid to register pain, why beat him?
15:51 < dasunt> _NSAKEY: It's cathartic for me.
15:55 < _NSAKEY> That's a fair point.
16:00 < dasunt> Fuck me.  I was under the impression that an update download manager would let me download updates for use on different machines.  Instead, it just stashes the updates to a location known only to the programmer and God, then installs them all automatically.
16:07  * dasunt tries to do this again using a different part of the download manager.
17:34 < aestetix> https://www.gliffy.com/blog/2016/03/25/turtle-and-the-hare/
17:34 < PigBot> Title: The Turtle and the Hare: A Recap of 3 Days of Downtime Gliffy Blog (at www.gliffy.com) http://tinyurl.com/zsf25kl
17:40 < aestetix> Seriously, they made some rookie mistakes.
19:02 <@RangerZ> http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/politics/ted-cruz-national-enquirer-donald-trump/index.html
19:02 < PigBot> Title: Ted Cruz blames Donald Trump and his 'henchmen' for tabloid story - CNNPolitics.com (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/hgrnxh9
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19:04 <@RangerZ> http://gawker.com/national-enquirer-ted-cruz-has-had-at-least-5-extramar-1767002606
19:04 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
19:04 <@RangerZ> figured I'd link a gawker article .... while they are still around...
19:04 <@RangerZ> lol
19:07 < aestetix> god
19:08 < aestetix> The only thing I want to hear less about than Hulk Hogan's sex life is Ted Cruz's sex life
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19:15 < aestetix> wow
19:15 < aestetix> https://storify.com/weev/a-small-experiment-in
19:15 < PigBot> Title: A brief experiment in printing. (with images, tweets) · weev · Storify (at storify.com) http://tinyurl.com/hy7x677
19:15 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You're just now seeing that?
19:15 < aestetix> I knew about it a little bit ago
19:15 < aestetix> but I hadn't seen it actually happen
19:15 < aestetix> IE I knew he was planning it
19:15 < _NSAKEY> I read about it, laughed, and moved on.
19:16 < _NSAKEY> I was hoping for ASCII goatse or something similar.
19:17 < aestetix> man this is funy
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21:41 <@RangerZ> http://www.mediaite.com/print/npr-training-its-reporters-how-to-survive-donald-trump-rallies/
22:30 <@oddball> Here's a tip to that guy in the picture: don't shove secret service agents.
22:31 <@oddball> (yes, I saw that video)
23:18 < _NSAKEY> http://controversialtimes.com/news/youtuber-loses-leg-while-shooting-lawnmower-full-of-explosives-video/
23:18 < PigBot> Title: YouTuber Loses Leg While Shooting Lawnmower Full of Explosives [VIDEO] (at controversialtimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/h3zac6b
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