--- Log opened Thu Mar 24 00:00:37 2016 00:04 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: ...] 00:08 <@RangerZ> [KS Bill Offers $2500 Bounty for Hunting Transgender People in Bathrooms] 00:09 <@Dagmar> Holy shit 00:09 <@Dagmar> https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4blzpp/arizona_is_a_massive_fraud/ 00:09 < PigBot> Title: Arizona is a massive FRAUD ! : SandersForPresident (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/zf3jckm 00:09 <@Dagmar> Some of the things cited there are _far_ worse than I expected 00:10 <@RangerZ> 'ehh' 00:10 <@RangerZ> primaries are -private- ongoings 00:10 <@RangerZ> so there is nothing illegal 00:11 <@RangerZ> literally they could have mud wrestling where at the end a flip of a coin determines the winner 00:12 <@RangerZ> and its 'heads for hillary' and a 2 headed coin 00:13 <@RangerZ> is it _bullshit_ ... of course... but thats how it is 00:16 <@RangerZ> debbie wasserman schultz is such a fucking shill that it isn't even funny 00:16 <@RangerZ> http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_its_time_for_these_two_democrats_to_go_20160323 00:16 < PigBot> Title: Its Time for Democrats Rahm Emanuel and Debbie Wasserman Schultz to Go - Truthdig (at www.truthdig.com) http://tinyurl.com/zudd43s 00:17 <@RangerZ> she is witholding the national Database of democratic voters from her primary challenge 00:17 <@RangerZ> 'why' 00:17 <@RangerZ> 'because she can' 00:27 <@RangerZ> hahahaha 00:27 <@RangerZ> Disney, Marvel, AMC May Boycott Production in Georgia Over Anti-Gay Bill... one of those 'religious freedom' bills 00:27 <@RangerZ> Ant Man was filmed in GA, spending over 100 million dollars 00:27 <@RangerZ> and AMC's walking dead is filmed there 00:27 <@RangerZ> ...sorry... -was- filmed there 00:27 <@RangerZ> hahaha 00:58 <@Dagmar> The large numbers of people who had their party affiliation flipped to Independent... 00:59 <@Dagmar> That is suspicious as hell, and I can't see it being particularly useful for anyone unless there was some aggressively invasive data-mining being done elsewhere that NO ONE will be happy about 01:10 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-73-237-89-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 01:13 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: ohh I agree 01:14 <@RangerZ> but that is -likely- legal (the data mining part) 01:14 <@RangerZ> but honestly... I'm from youngstown... this shit is still child's play compared to what I've seen personally 01:15 <@RangerZ> my mom was the precinct commitee person for our neighborhood, and was the head elections official for the precinct... and one year someone tried to stuff the votes by having people come vote... 01:15 <@RangerZ> but.... they said they lived 2 doors down from us... which they DID NOT 01:16 <@RangerZ> I'm sorry, but -zero- minorities lived in our neighborhood 01:16 <@RangerZ> and I was the newspaper delivery boy at the time 01:16 <@RangerZ> my mom actually 'broke the law' and didn't allow them to vote 01:17 <@RangerZ> she told them to call the cops if they could prove they lived there 01:17 <@RangerZ> no cops were ever called 01:17 <@RangerZ> lol 01:20 <@RangerZ> and the 'best' part of it was... our family had lived in that house for... ohh... 4 generations... 01:20 <@RangerZ> we _KNEW_ the people living around us 01:21 <@RangerZ> Jesus and Mari did NOT live 2 door down from us, lol 01:36 < aestetix> lol 01:36 < aestetix> cruz and trump on twitter 01:56 <@RangerZ> aestetix: i'm surprised you haven't tweeted them both 01:56 <@RangerZ> asking trump about his tiny tiny elf hands 02:02 < aestetix> I'm too busy reading about the javascript drama 02:02 < aestetix> which is fucking hilarious 02:02 < aestetix> https://github.com/kevva/is-positive/blob/master/index.js 02:02 < PigBot> Title: is-positive/index.js at master · kevva/is-positive · GitHub (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/jtbsmwx 02:02 < aestetix> the fact that that is an entire package 02:07 <@RangerZ> wtf 02:07 <@RangerZ> that should be a built in function 02:08 <@RangerZ> ohh nvm 02:08 <@RangerZ> fucking JS uses prototypical inheritance 02:08 <@RangerZ> which is basically 'fuck you' when it comes to clarity 02:09 < aestetix> the best part is on the readme, where it suggests is-negative as an additional package 02:18 <@RangerZ> interesting... 02:18 <@RangerZ> apparently there is an audio book of the V for Vendetta _graphic_ novel 02:18 <@RangerZ> guess it makes sense for the blind 02:28 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you might find this interesting, I actually priced out the housing materials I was thinking about 02:29 <@RangerZ> 18k for an empty loft style building 02:29 <@RangerZ> 1200 sq.ft. 02:29 <@RangerZ> no kitchen/plumbling work added in yet 02:29 <@RangerZ> but electrical and networking was 02:30 <@RangerZ> obviously flooring (since I want to do radiant heating) and kitchen/bath will cost the most 02:30 <@RangerZ> but... was interesting to actually price it out) 02:33 < aestetix> you forgot to add the bay area tax 02:33 < aestetix> which multiplies the price by 4 02:34 <@RangerZ> ohh, I'm not silly, This was raw material costs + tax 02:34 <@RangerZ> no subcontracters or anything 02:35 <@RangerZ> not even the cost of a foundation or a roof, lol 02:35 <@RangerZ> well... 'better' roof 02:36 <@RangerZ> but anyways... yeah it was just some back of napkin (actually calc spreadsheet but still) calculations 02:36 <@RangerZ> because there is _no_ way I'd build a house without solar panels and DC and AC power distribution in the house now a days 03:33 <@RangerZ> well... not 100% sure about DC directly 03:33 <@RangerZ> seems silly to invert the power 2x, since most things I would run are DC oriented... but still... 03:54 -!- giezr [~giezr@198.143.186.116] has quit [Quit: toodles] 03:54 -!- giezr_ [~giezr@198.143.186.116] has joined #se2600 03:57 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-73-237-89-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:07 -!- LastChild [~Android@DHCP-129-59-122-53.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:14 -!- LastChild [~Android@DHCP-129-59-122-53.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 05:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o LastChild] by ChanServ 05:41 -!- LastChild [~Android@DHCP-129-59-122-53.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:16 < aestetix> lololol 06:16 < aestetix> http://support.gliffy.com/entries/98911057--Gliffy-Online-System-Outage 06:16 < PigBot> Title: **Gliffy Online System Outage** : Gliffy Support Desk (at support.gliffy.com) http://tinyurl.com/hkj4yd3 06:16 < aestetix> Evilpig: you'll love this 06:31 <@Evilpig> ROFL "On working to resolve the issue, an administrator accidentally deleted the production database" 06:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:35 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: That would qualify as "Epic Fail" 06:36 <@Evilpig> after getting the electrode paste or whatever out of my hair this morning I feel like I maybe should appologize to some ex-girlfriends 06:36 <@Dolemite> Wha? 06:37 <@Evilpig> sleep study last night 06:37 < aestetix> well 06:37 <@Dolemite> ah 06:37 < aestetix> I have deleted the prod database before by accident 06:37 <@Dolemite> gotcha 06:37 < aestetix> and then failed over to the slave 06:37 <@Dolemite> Yeah, they proved you are a tree shredding machine 06:37 < aestetix> and it was all back up in a minute or so 06:38 < aestetix> I'm also guessing they were using mysqldump for backups 06:38 <@Evilpig> yeah, the dude came in and said something to the effect of "yeah you're waking up ALOT' 06:38 <@Evilpig> after tehy put the cpap thing on me I woke up several more times too. not amused 06:38 < aestetix> Evilpig: how did it go? I may be doing one of those soon 06:38 <@Evilpig> I did make a lovely cocoon out of the wires that were hooked to me 06:41 <@Dolemite> Yeah, it took me nearly a year to get used to my CPAP, but now I sleep great with it 06:41 <@Dolemite> Can't sleep at all without it 06:53 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-73-237-89-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 07:37 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@129.59.122.24] has joined #se2600 07:38 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 07:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 08:07 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:09 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 08:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 08:19 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@129.59.122.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-73-237-89-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:29 -!- rattle [041c8581@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 08:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 08:34 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@129.59.122.24] has joined #se2600 09:06 < dasunt> RangerZ: Re: Stupid laws here - it's the sex on the birth certificate. 09:07 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08 < dasunt> RangerZ: Also, I'm in the state where we the most noteworthy sexual event in a restroom was a GOP US Congressman trolling for anonymous sex. 09:08 < dasunt> So based on the evidence, transgendered individuals in restrooms are okay. GOP politicians are not. 09:08 * dasunt sighs. 09:11 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 09:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 09:23 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-73-237-89-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 09:23 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-73-237-89-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:24 <@RangerZ> wow... batman vs superman is getting 'latest-fantastic 4-movie' level reviews 09:24 <@RangerZ> guess that is what happens when you try to fit 3~4 films worth of material into a single film 09:28 <@Dolemite> yeah, I'm reading they tried to put in too many hooks to spin-offs 09:28 <@Dolemite> You know, kind of like that last Avengers movie :P 09:29 <@Evilpig> I heard on the radio this morning that there is too much useless dialog between bruce and clark 09:29 <@Evilpig> somethign about a party that just doesn't seem to ever fucking end 09:34 <@RangerZ> the avengers (1) was the 'culmination' of what... 4~5 films 09:34 <@RangerZ> let alone the Hulk not even having his own film... 'really' 09:35 <@RangerZ> not 'the start of' 4~5 others 09:35 <@RangerZ> DC needs to stick with animated films 09:35 <@RangerZ> they have always had amazing animated films 09:39 <@Evilpig> I got a nice load of dc animation this week 09:41 < dasunt> I didn't mind the Avengers film that I saw. Was it the first one? 09:41 < dasunt> It wasn't high filmmaking for the ages, but it entertained me for 2 hours. 09:44 < dasunt> But neither does the current crop of superhero movies make me rush to the theater. 09:50 <@RangerZ> dasunt: first one 09:51 <@RangerZ> 2nd one didn't have the 'wow, all of them on the screen for the first time' feeling to it... and it felt rather 'blah' IMHO 09:52 < dasunt> Yep, you're right. Now that you mention it, I recall the sequel hook. 09:52 < dasunt> Good job internet: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/03/24/1439202/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-experiment-becomes-a-neo-nazi-sex-robot 09:52 < PigBot> Title: Microsoft's 'Teen Girl' AI Experiment Becomes a Neo-nazi Sex Robot - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org) http://tinyurl.com/j9c3dmv 09:53 < dasunt> The headline doesn't say it, but between the racism and the daddy issues, it also supported Trump. 10:00 <@RangerZ> and blamed bush for 9/11 10:01 <@RangerZ> which isn't fair, its not like bush recieved a national security briefing stating that bin laden to aim to target US, or that planes being flown into buildings was one of the FBI's biggest fears 10:01 <@RangerZ> ohh.... 10:02 <@RangerZ> but even with all that... I don't blame Bush for 9/11... I blame him for iraq 10:02 <@RangerZ> and then ISIS 10:06 <@Dagmar> Damn you'd think Microsoft would have learned from IBM 10:06 <@Dagmar> Don't allow AIs to access the internet unsupervised. 10:09 <@Evilpig> someone should have used that type of thinking before they named a research ship "boaty mcboatface" 10:09 < aestetix> so 10:09 < aestetix> Evilpig: prometheus.io 10:09 < aestetix> is the best fucking monitoring tool ever 10:12 <@Evilpig> i'm looking at it now 10:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: draake, @RangerZ 10:14 < aestetix> I was using munin before, I'm basically uninstalling that crpa now 10:14 <@Dagmar> lol 10:17 < aestetix> But yeah. Prometheus basically replaces munin/ganglia/cacti/nagios 10:17 < aestetix> It's so nice. 10:18 <@Evilpig> looks good for monitoring a serverfarm, but not really good for watching a bunch of random hosts doing different shit 10:19 < aestetix> correct 10:19 < aestetix> well I mean they have the status page where you can see whether a system is up 10:21 <@Evilpig> yeah so if you need a good replacement for tsdb or mrtg prometheus looks nice 10:21 <@Evilpig> for a monitoring system... it's not quite it 10:22 < aestetix> I would disagree, but ymmv 10:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: draake, RangerZ 10:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 10:28 < dasunt> RangerZ: I never understood how exactly was Bush told. Was it singled out, or was it in a briefing that had all the other threats to the US listed in it? I could see it either way. 10:35 <@rattle> Tay tay, you so cray. 10:36 <@Dagmar> I wish I knew what the hell I've done to my hand here 10:36 <@Dagmar> My right hand is swollen and stiff around the heel, and I don't remember injuring it 10:36 < aestetix> dasunt: you can probably get the truth from Donald Trump 10:37 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@129.59.122.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:39 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@129.59.122.24] has joined #se2600 10:39 < aestetix> Dagmar: maybe your browser history has an answer ;) 10:40 <@Dagmar> You're too late on that one 10:41 <@Dagmar> I've already made jokes to Audra this morning about having to be a one-handed typist today 10:43 <@rattle> You've fallen prey to the latest cyberdisease. Sleep Wanking. It's sorta like sleep walking, only it's wanking. It's incurable. It's going to continue until either your penis or both your hands fall off. 10:44 <@Dagmar> Totally wrong part of the hand for that 10:45 <@rattle> It's gotta be horrible. Don't worry bro, we're here to support you through this. Just, not too closely.. 10:46 <@Dagmar> It's a little annoying since it _is_ painful to write with a pen, and the way I generally do research is copying the useful bits down on paper 10:47 < dasunt> Have the climate change denialists switched to "the climate has always changed"? Because I'm seeing that a lot lately. 10:48 <@Dagmar> That's just the latest thing the media outlets have decided to flog 10:49 < dasunt> It's fucking stupid. 10:51 < dasunt> It's like arguing that cigarettes aren't a problem because people have always died. 10:52 * dasunt can confirm: Every family member born before c. 1910 in his family has died. Ergo, nothing accused of being harmful to people is a problem. 11:11 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3A%40tayandyou%209%2F11&src=typd 11:11 < PigBot> Title: from:@tayandyou 9/11 - Twitter Search (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hz5lp3k 11:28 < dasunt> _NSAKEY: Sounds like 9/11 was quite the party! 11:36 < dasunt> So is Twitter that crazy, or did an algorithm goof up? 11:40 < dasunt> LOL: "ricky gervais learned totalitarianism from adolf hitler, the inventor of atheism" 11:40 <@sasquatc3> it was probably a 4chan stunt, since it pulled alot of its info from DM's, it was probably a flood of nasty shit straight to it 11:40 < dasunt> Y'know, if their goal was to make a AI that sounded like a teenage _boy_, this could have been considered a success. 12:15 < _NSAKEY> So true. 12:23 < _NSAKEY> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/03/certified-ethical-hacker-website-caught-spreading-crypto-ransomware/ 12:23 < PigBot> Title: Certified Ethical Hacker website caught spreading crypto ransomware | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/jzzufre 12:23 < dasunt> Read something interesting that on its surface, seems true: The gender pay gap benefits heterosexual child-raising partnership in our current society. 12:34 <@Dolemite> https://github.com/whitehouse/source-code-policy/issues/ 12:34 < PigBot> Title: Issues · WhiteHouse/source-code-policy · GitHub (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/hfbft4z 12:34 <@Dolemite> Just gonna put that right there 12:36 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu8u65ZxlaE 12:37 <@RangerZ> [Batman V Superman SPOILER FREE Review!] 12:55 <@Mirage> So ominous..the "BADLOCK BUG" *scream* hiera lookup variable 12:56 <@Mirage> lol...paste-fail. 12:56 <@Mirage> http://badlock.org/ 12:56 < PigBot> Title: Badlock Bug (at badlock.org) http://tinyurl.com/jbg2d88 12:57 <@Mirage> Channel Poll: NotLarry contacts you and asks where you live. What answer do you give? 12:57 <@Mirage> =) 12:58 <@Evilpig> I stare at him oddly and call him a dumbass 12:58 <@Evilpig> in mirage's case you don't say austin 12:59 <@Mirage> Oh yeah? he looking to relocate and needing a place to crash "temporarily"? 12:59 <@Evilpig> he's looking at options and might be visiting that area soon 13:01 <@Evilpig> god damn I just can't get enough caffeine today 13:01 <@Mirage> preaching to the choir...and that's _every_ day 13:02 <@Evilpig> getting woken up more than usual last night from that sleep study has just done me in 13:08 < _NSAKEY> Heh. https://twitter.com/gliffy/status/713064754105819136 13:08 < _NSAKEY> I tweeted out the link about one of their admins accidentally rming the database... And that tweet just happened. 13:30 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Yeah, I was nice and gave him my info as well. 13:31 <@Dagmar> I like how they're giving the criminals a 20-days head's up 13:32 <@Dagmar> SOMEONE is going to fucking find and produce a POC exploit before ten days is up 13:39 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Still in the market and ready to move to Dallas yet? 13:39 < aestetix> you know 13:39 < aestetix> I *really* want to know why the fuck it takes so long to restore their database 13:40 <@Mirage> aestetix: had to wait on Iron Mountain to bring the tapes from offsite? 13:40 < aestetix> The best I can guess is a combination of mysqldump or similar joined with storing binary data like images in the database itself 13:40 * Mirage thinks blaming it on incompetence is too convenient. 13:41 < aestetix> and that's me being generous 13:41 < aestetix> I also love how they didn't have enough disk space for the restore procedure 13:42 <@Mirage> Well, on the gnav boxes it did take a long time for a dump and/or restore with their 20-23G MySQL db's, but not that long 13:42 < aestetix> Mirage: when your db reaches a certain size, you move from mysqldump to xtrabackup 13:42 < aestetix> I had to do that when a db I was working on took more than 12 hours to restore 13:43 < aestetix> Restore time drops from 12-14 hours to 30 minutes 13:43 < aestetix> Or 15 minutes on an ssd 13:43 <@Mirage> aestetix: that's at VU, so I don't have to care anymore. 13:43 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@129.59.122.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: also, you see why I keep multiple namespaces. I could never tweet something that snarky with a professional account. 13:44 <@Mirage> Though I do somewhat feel sorry for whomever got the short straw on supporting it..unless of course that happens to be Pig 13:46 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Not moving to f'ing Texas 13:47 <@rattle> http://www.watertechonline.com/hackers-change-chemical-settings-at-water-treatment-plant/ 13:47 <@rattle> Wheeeee! 13:47 <@Evilpig> oh Mirage don't lie. you'd laugh a little if I did get stuck with it and you'll call it motivation to move down to your sun baked hail plane 14:04 <@Mirage> Evilpig: The wife found the hailstorm rather surreal 14:16 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Are you referring to your tweet, or mine? 14:22 < aestetix> Let's just say I am very interested in their postmortem. 14:22 < aestetix> And I assume someone got fired. 14:31 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Have you seen this yet? https://www.facebook.com/JackieSpeier/posts/10153826110271977 14:31 < PigBot> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/zhtko6r 14:31 <@Evilpig> http://www.kfvs12.com/story/31547518/scott-co-man-facing-charges-for-using-loaded-handgun-as-a-hammer-at-school 14:31 < PigBot> Title: Scott Co. man facing charges for using loaded handgun as a hamme - KFVS12 News & Weather Cape Girardeau, Carbondale, Poplar Bluff (at www.kfvs12.com) http://tinyurl.com/j33stde 14:31 <@Evilpig> that's one of my old schools right there. 14:32 < aestetix> not yet 14:33 < _NSAKEY> The short version is that a Bay area congresswoman wants to force people to give up ID to buy burners. 14:33 <@oddball> NO no... you use a revolver as a hammer. Not a semi-auto pistol. 14:34 < aestetix> yeah that's gonna work 14:34 < _NSAKEY> I don't think she realizes that someone in her district who is planning something would just use one of the countless homeless people as a cut-out to buy burners. 15:08 < aestetix> lol 15:08 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/gliffy/status/713094795401494529 15:18 < Healix> you call them out and now their apolgizing to you lol 15:58 <@Dagmar> They should only charge that man if he didn't shoot himself 15:59 <@Dagmar> Remember the LARGE vice cop demonstrating how bad handguns are to kids? How at the start of the demonstration most of the kids seemed pretty meh about it, but after he shot himself in the leg the entire class was all "No! Put the gun down!" 16:00 <@oddball> See? Handgun safety classes *work* :p 16:00 <@Dagmar> So... ACE bandage around the wrist now. Yay. 16:00 <@Dagmar> Lots of fun to try to do that wrap one-handed 16:01 <@oddball> What did you do to yourself? 16:03 <@Dagmar> Damned if I know 16:03 <@Dagmar> I just know it's sore as hell and a bit swollen between the thumb and first finger 16:03 <@Dagmar> Maybe I wrenched it while I had it wedged into the headboard while I slept 16:03 -!- northrup [~northrup@173.14.101.193] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:04 <@oddball> huh 16:04 <@Dagmar> On the brighter side of things, since there's a medium-sized dog in the house here and Mortie does NOT consent to being licked, she's practically sleeping on my head now 16:05 <@Dagmar> She doesn't even try to sleep under the bed like she does at my place. 16:05 <@Dagmar> THe poor dog just wants to play with the new kittie and doesn't understand that neither cat wants doggie kisses 16:05 <@Dagmar> It's also entertaining to see Spaz (older cat) attempting to have her back 16:06 <@oddball> heh 16:06 <@Dagmar> He'll run over and start smacking the dog and fussing at him 16:06 < dasunt> You're lucky. 16:06 < dasunt> Our one dog has now decided, for whatever reason, that the other animals are plotting to kill him in his sleep. 16:07 <@Dagmar> AFTER they've reached an understanding I'll consider cutting Mortie's claws again 16:07 < dasunt> So whenever he's startled, he starts to bay. Really fun at 3 am in the morning. 16:07 -!- Healix [~Healix@46.101.228.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07 <@Dagmar> Spaz has lonliness attacks in the wee hours 16:07 <@Dagmar> If it's dark and he can't see anyone, he starts calling out 16:07 -!- Healix [~Healix@46.101.228.187] has joined #se2600 16:08 < dasunt> One of the cats occasionally does that. 16:09 < dasunt> We just call it kittie alzheimer's. 16:10 <@Dagmar> Hey hey 'He Never Died' made it to Netflix already 16:11 <@oddball> cool 16:19 -!- rattle [041c8581@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:19 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 16:33 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iplimunmrduwtskc] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 16:33 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hyfwimuexgxautoh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33 -!- NSAKEY_ [~nsakey@jollyroger.abigisp.com] has joined #se2600 16:33 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-erzkbnrysiqfdcmx] has joined #se2600 16:33 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-axagpgpfannoockb] has joined #se2600 16:35 -!- _NSAKEY [~nsakey@jollyroger.abigisp.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50 < dasunt> Random idea (half-baked, at best): Police officers and other low-levels of law enforcement should not be a volunteer job, but instead be drafted like soldiers during a war. 16:51 < dasunt> Disadvantages: You may get people who hate policing, who are incapable of policing, etc. Advantages: You should get less psychopaths and power trippers, police demographics would reflect the community they police. 16:51 < dasunt> Thoughts? 16:56 < aestetix> omg 16:56 < aestetix> http://nsuworks.nova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2467&context=tqr 16:56 < PigBot> aestetix: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes. 16:57 < aestetix> "Are STEM Syllabi Gendered? A Feminist Critical Discourse Analysis " 16:57 < aestetix> you guys will love this one 16:59 < aestetix> The worst part is she probably got funded to do that study 17:02 < aestetix> actualy 17:02 < aestetix> the worst part is that some SJW will use this study to support one of their bullshit microaggression claims 17:03 <@Dagmar> I still like Monday's episode of The Magicians 17:03 <@Dagmar> "Quentin, if you'll shut up for just a moment this sex dream will pass the Bechdel Test." 17:04 < NSAKEY_> aestetix: I had to close after a few paragraphs. It smells like bullshit, and I've been reading some real bullshit lately. 17:04 <@sasquatc3> oh jesus, yea, just reading some of that intro makes me want to stab someone 17:04 < aestetix> It gets so much worse. 17:05 < aestetix> In addition to an epistemological exploration of STEM syllabi language, an additional 17:05 < aestetix> way to explore syllabi as gendered is by an exploration of the teaching and learning 17:05 < aestetix> environment through the language used in the syllabus. O 17:05 <@Dagmar> I think putting "Feminist" into the title guarantees bias an a lack of impartiality 17:05 < NSAKEY_> aestetix: Namely, I've been reading The Greek Myths by Robert Graves. The myths themselves are great, but his analysis is weird to the max. 17:05 < aestetix> I'm unfamiliar with that. I should check it out. 17:05 < aestetix> Since I just finished studying Gilgamesh. 17:06 <@sasquatc3> just the section on we vs. you makes me angry, they are saying that had they used 'we' will learn something allows an instructor to distance themselves and incorporate students, where as saying 'you' will learn something is authoritative 17:06 < NSAKEY_> I found the 2 book set at McKay's for $8. 17:06 <@sasquatc3> or perhaps the professors arent fucking retarded and already know the topics they are teaching, hence the students 'you' will learn and not 'we' 17:07 < aestetix> this is a gem 17:07 < aestetix> When 17:07 < aestetix> using “we” in the syllabi instead of “you” (e.g., We will develop an understanding of… instead 17:07 < NSAKEY_> It's good reading, but the scholarship on his pet theory about the Triple Moon Goddess has been criticized since he published. 17:07 < aestetix> of You will develop an understanding of…), Baecker (1998) hypothesized that the instructor 17:07 < aestetix> was hiding the power relationship between the faculty member and the students by implying 17:07 < aestetix> that they were equals 17:07 < aestetix> Let's think about that for a moment. 17:07 < aestetix> You are taking a class from a teacher. 17:07 -!- NSAKEY_ is now known as _NSAKEY 17:07 < aestetix> So yes, they are going to be there dispensing knowledge. That's the whole fucking point of taking a class. 17:07 < aestetix> If you were equals, you would be able to teach the class yourself. 17:08 < aestetix> I mean, if I've never studied calculus, and my teacher has taught it for 20 years, YES I would expect there to be some difference. 17:08 <@sasquatc3> yup, i dont think they get the whole concept of most engineering and stem, they dont beat around the bush, they are going put down exactly what they mean, and dont have a hidden agenda behind their words 17:08 < aestetix> In fact, about 20 years difference. 17:08 <@sasquatc3> when they say 'you will learn', they arent attempting to undermind students confidence and project themselves as dictators, maybe they just mean, the students will fuckin learn 17:09 <@sasquatc3> *mine 17:09 < aestetix> But seriously. You're not going to a fucking book club to chat about a book you are reading. 17:09 < aestetix> You're going to a class to listen to the teaher give a lesson and ask questions. 17:10 <@Dagmar> This is not a fucking study 17:10 <@Dagmar> This is a fairy tale 17:11 < aestetix> I mean, if someone decides they are being oppressed by the word "you" in the syllabus and skips class and doesn't study, I don't think adding the word "we" will help them not fail. 17:12 <@Dagmar> Not only does she fail to provide proof of her claims, she fails to even present a chain of logic 17:12 <@Dagmar> aestetix; How the shit is that even supposed to be inherently gendered? 17:12 -!- northrup [~northrup@75-146-11-137-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 17:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o northrup] by ChanServ 17:12 <@sasquatc3> hah 17:12 <@sasquatc3> Although the corpus of syllabi explored was small, the findings from this exploration 17:12 <@sasquatc3> support the view of STEM courses as chilly 17:13 <@sasquatc3> chilly, they arent there to be your damn friend 17:13 <@Dagmar> This is basically the twinkie defense 17:13 <@Dagmar> Here's all the data, here are some other papers, twinkies, therefore result! 17:14 < aestetix> What findings 17:14 < aestetix> She picked out a few words and decided they were oppressing her 17:15 <@Dagmar> Somehow she's construing gender as certitude 17:15 <@Dagmar> How the shit is this supposed to be gendered? 17:15 <@Dagmar> I can't even find where there's a direct chain of logic involved 17:15 <@Dagmar> She definitely complains a bit about the 'view' that knowledge is static 17:15 <@Evilpig> aestetix: I pick most of your words as oppressing me. that doesn't make me wrong 17:16 < aestetix> Evilpig: yes, but you are a ginger and therefore not a person 17:16 <@Evilpig> I'm a person, i just don't admit to having a soul 17:18 < dasunt> aestetix: This better not tie into glaciers. 17:18 < aestetix> Anyway, that paper is a great reason why I can't stand fauxminists. 17:18 < aestetix> I mean, actual feminists at least put lots of thought and logic into coherent arguments. 17:18 <@Dagmar> Where the fuck was this study found? 17:18 <@Dagmar> AH screw it. This thing is bird cage liner 17:18 < aestetix> Someone posted it on twitter. 17:19 <@Dagmar> You shoudl make a treasure hunt out of that thing 17:20 <@Dagmar> Challenge people to find any premise actually linking _gender_ to syllabi contents 17:21 <@Dagmar> This fucking thing seems to represent "The syllabus presumes the student is in inferior to the instructor. I am a student, and a female, therefore this is the oppressing gender." 17:21 <@Dagmar> Makes no sense 17:21 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Ok, I was wrong. 17:21 < _NSAKEY> Graves at least provides some remotely plausible justification for some of his theories. 17:23 <@Dagmar> I sincerely hope this person didn't get any credit for something this lacking in logic. 17:26 <@Evilpig> that thing is based on flawed logic to begin with. "this study extends understanding on how STEM higher education marginalizes women..." blah blah blah 17:27 <@Evilpig> if you want to marginalize a gender through a path of study in higher education you need to get that gender in the path to begin with 17:27 <@Evilpig> citing their lack of inolvement in the subject matter isn't the same as saying you're marginalizing them 17:31 < aestetix> One of the conclusions should be to mandate that all the men ejaculate before class if there is a female in the class. 17:35 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Or perhaps you need to actually involve something gender-specific 17:36 <@Dagmar> I'm still astonished that her "logic" appears to revolve around "They claim to have more knowledge than I do, and I am a feminist, therefore gender and oppression." 17:37 <@Dagmar> Unless this paper was written to demonstrate formal typography and layout skills, I'd be hard pressed to consider it more honest than something written with a Markov-chain generator\ 17:37 <@Dagmar> Maybe correct spelling counted for 90% of the grade 17:38 -!- northrup [~northrup@75-146-11-137-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 18:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 18:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 18:27 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 19:04 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-74-240-65-36.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:11 <@RangerZ> jesus... aestetix that paper is fucking silly 19:11 <@RangerZ> there are _rules_ for when to use 'you' and 'we 19:11 <@RangerZ> '* 19:12 <@RangerZ> you for student/learner obligations/responsiblities, etc. 19:12 <@RangerZ> 'we' when discussing group actions 19:12 <@RangerZ> 'we will discuss the material in this chapter in class' 19:12 <@RangerZ> 'therefore, you must read this chapter before class' 19:16 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@c-68-52-45-79.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:20 <@RangerZ> i'm going to have -fun- with this paper... because I'm actually involved right now with the CFT (Center For Teaching) and I'm going to see what they (all female btw, which will be interesting in and of itself) have to say about this 19:25 -!- northrup [~northrup@75-146-11-137-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 19:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o northrup] by ChanServ 20:24 -!- northrup [~northrup@75-146-11-137-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/hr7e4gw 22:38 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:10 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] --- Log closed Fri Mar 25 00:00:40 2016