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02:42 <@RangerZ> "WD Has acquired Sandisk"
02:42 <@RangerZ> because what is bad with consolidation to almost monopoly levels if not already oligarchy levels
03:45 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ_K960dG4c
03:45 < PigBot> Title: Can A Human Drink A Gallon of Spoiled Milk w/o Vomiting into A Washing Machine? | L.A. BEAST - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/z489bn4
04:13 <@RangerZ> aestetix: glad you moved to a set of nations bartering on human bodies ? https://www.rt.com/news/336037-eu-refugee-agreement-turkey/
04:13 < PigBot> Title: EU leaders agree on refugee plan to present to Turkey — RT News (at www.rt.com) http://tinyurl.com/hahsd8g
06:01 <@RangerZ> http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/18/heres-a-pc-running-amd-and-nvidia-video-cards-at-the-same-time/
06:01 < PigBot> Title: Watch a PC running AMD and Nvidia graphics cards at the same time | GamesBeat | Games | by Jason Wilson (at venturebeat.com) http://tinyurl.com/hdmggqv
06:02 <@RangerZ> 'almost' perfect scaling (when you consider the different cards' raw potentials)
07:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'd prefer bartering to banning them ;)
07:27 <@RangerZ> aestetix: banning is at least legal
07:27 <@RangerZ> 'stupid', 'immoral', 'fucked up', and a lot of other things
07:27 <@RangerZ> but even the UN is like 'umm... this shit is illgal yo'
07:27 <@RangerZ> (perhaps not in that -exact- phrasing...) but still
07:28 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: Dolemite who is the fucking asshole who used GPL3 for opencdim ? I thought the civilized world had told V3 to go fuck itself?
07:28 <@RangerZ> hehe
07:29 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: Dolemite actually I was wondering what your practices on accepting merge requests was, with OSS.
07:30 <@RangerZ> because I have 2 wordpress plugins (well 1 plugin and 1 widget (but 'widgets are a subclass of plugins)) that have to be GPLv2
07:30 <@RangerZ> do you have a list of 'contributors' ?
07:32  * RangerZ the 'oss' that I've always been a part of are OSS in name only...
07:32 <@RangerZ> mostly because no one else on earth was stupid enough to write a middleware for android that basically handled all network traffic -indirectly-
08:00 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you ran any experiments (or seen any) running sql servers inside docker (or other containers?)
08:14 < aestetix> RangerZ: why would you do that?
08:43 <@RangerZ> aestetix: why would I do what? list of contributors?
08:43 <@RangerZ> or the middleware?
08:44 <@RangerZ> it was the darpa project I worked on while working on my masters, it was middleware for providing reliable (if desired) communication between devices
08:44 <@RangerZ> such as an android phone on a soilder's arm and others around him
08:45 <@RangerZ> to get GPS data of himself (I only know of one person personally and it was a guy) but I think the official number released was in the 1000s that had it during deployment
08:45 <@RangerZ> and GPS data of other friendlies
08:49 <@RangerZ> its actually really cool tech... _but_... it isn't easy to use, because you have to use a special library... and all this other stuff... like setup a special server to route info (b/c TCP is basically a 'dump channel' at that point, etc.)
08:53 < aestetix> putting a database in a container
08:53 < aestetix> the whole point of a database is fast acccess to data, adding a layer of abstrction makes it slower
08:54 < aestetix> This is why most places have a dedicated system for the database and everything else in vms
09:18 <@RangerZ> easy, for development purposes is my reasoning, but there might be others
09:18 <@RangerZ> such as hosting the DB on EC2 easily
09:19 <@RangerZ> 'docker-compose up' and I get a full lamp stack (well already linux, but still)
09:20 <@RangerZ> even running wordpress, already setup, etc.
09:23 <@RangerZ> similar to vagrant/etc. except _much_ less overhead
12:47 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Some of the best parts of Under The Skin were trying to figure out if her mark were actually speaking English or not
13:33 < aestetix> lol aws is threatening to suspend my account
13:33 < aestetix> I have an overdue charge of 63 cents
14:56 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: That amount probably exceeds their profit margins on medium ticket items.
15:03 <@Dagmar> By the way...
15:03 <@Dagmar> I find it hard to swallow what the media is saying about Zoha being "missing"
15:04 <@Dagmar> That motherfucker is _dead_
15:05 <@Dagmar> You don't start calling foul on an attempted theft of a BILLION dollars from a bank that reeks of an insider job and just get kept in a closet somewhere for a day or two until things blow over.
15:05 <@Dagmar> That's just not how those people fuckin' roll.
15:19 <@Evilpig> damnit.  I'm gonna be pulling tiny glass shards out of my skin for the next two weeks
15:19 <@Evilpig> just replaced the touchscreen on a tablet and the glue just didn't want to come up on the broken one
15:57 < aestetix> penis
17:37 < aestetix> Wow
17:37 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSVTzQlqbp0
17:37 < PigBot> Title: Nanny helps explain Common Core subtraction - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j3cydwt
17:37 < aestetix> I am so glad I didn't have to deal with common core
18:36 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: soak your hand in epsom salt until your hand gets pruned, and then you should be able to get them out easier
18:37 < aestetix> I just watched the first episode of Fuller House
18:37 < aestetix> It's clear that they are just milking nostalgia
18:42 <@RangerZ>  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/carl-jr-ceo-predicts-future-203203237.html
18:42 < PigBot> Title: Fast-food CEO says he's investing in machines because the government is making it difficult to afford employees (at finance.yahoo.com) http://tinyurl.com/goerk8w
18:42 <@RangerZ> "They're always polite, they always upsell, they never take a vacation, they never show up late, there's never a slip-and-fall, or an age, sex, or race discrimination case," says Puzder of swapping employees for machines.
18:43 <@RangerZ> and... then... [But Puzder says that a restaurant that's 100% automated would have one big plus for millennials: no social interaction.]
18:43 <@RangerZ> man.. fuck this asshole
18:44 <@RangerZ> also... I could employee 100 random fucking people and _not_ have to worry about being sued for age/sex/race discrimination...
18:45 < aestetix> uh
18:45 < aestetix> You mean the government is making it more difficult to extort people for wage slavery.
18:46 < aestetix> Also, millennials love social interaction, as long as it's mediated through their iPhone
18:50 <@sasquatc3> hmmm, now i have another reason to jump ship
18:50 <@sasquatc3> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/03/19/2024218/rumor-broadcom-phasing-out-wifi-chip-business
18:50 < PigBot> Title: Rumor: Broadcom Phasing Out WiFi Chip Business - Slashdot (at hardware.slashdot.org) http://tinyurl.com/grhd32v
18:51 <@sasquatc3> more interesting than the wifi, their shift in r&d, we already knew there were going to be same changes after they got bought out, Im assuming avago has seen the writing on the wall for alot of their SOC products
18:55 <@RangerZ> aestetix: also... they -want- to move to automation, thats the -point- of uncontrolled capitalism
18:55 <@RangerZ> the cotton gin cost a lot of jobs too, etc.
18:56 <@RangerZ> the 'problem' is that we no longer have enough 'low skill' jobs in the economy that pay a living wage
18:57 <@RangerZ> b/c we're abusing undocumented/underdocumented/previous-documented/etc. immigrants' status to milk them for cheap labor
19:03 <@sasquatc3> i had a long discussion with a hardcore republican friend about this, how he was convinced that just the rumors of an increasing min wage caused some of the mcd's near him to move to automated machines
19:03 <@sasquatc3> kept trying to tell him, it was coming anyway, they must have already been working on those machines for at least a year
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19:03 <@sasquatc3> the whole minwage thing was just an easy PR excuse
19:04 <@RangerZ> yep
19:04 <@RangerZ> allows those with power (money) to promote tax policies which allow them to keep as much as they can in the short term
19:04 <@sasquatc3> for any place with minwage jobs on such a large scale as that its an obvious move, they dont need an excuse of a wage hike
19:04 <@RangerZ> ignoring the long term ramifications
19:04 <@RangerZ> because they believe that they won't ever fall to 'that level'
19:05 <@sasquatc3> then of course he went off on some tangent how (i still have no idea how he actually believed this) that mcd's was almost doing a public service by offering food so cheap and that they must be losing money on every burger
19:06 <@sasquatc3> but of course all of his calculations were based on what HE pays for food, not realizing they pay 1/10 of what he does
19:06 <@sasquatc3> which i couldnt get through to him either, even after sending a link showing that a mcd's burger costs them ~40cents to make
19:06 <@RangerZ> nah, 'economy of scale'
19:07 <@RangerZ> thats one of those buzz words that allows you to win with that type of person
19:07 <@sasquatc3> yea, i tried that one, didnt make a difference
19:07 <@RangerZ> wow
19:07 <@RangerZ> thats 'impressive'
19:10 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: sasquatc3 probably talked to someone who dropped out early in high school.
19:11 <@sasquatc3> hah, its possible knowing him, which i dont know super well
19:12 < _NSAKEY> sasquatc3: I would say it's a solid bet.
19:12 <@sasquatc3> i dunno, ive met alot of stupid people that graduated HS as well
19:13 <@RangerZ> its socially learned
19:13 < _NSAKEY> That's also true. Just because you have the piece of paper saying you graduated doesn't mean you actually learned anything while there, or that your school system wasn't trash.
19:13 <@RangerZ> their parents were either moderately liberal, and they rebelled from them for other reasons... or their parents were the same way, and they are cloning them
19:14 <@RangerZ> hell, only until a 2 years ago or so, did I ever think the notion of "you move to where there is a good school" wasn't fucked up.
19:15 <@RangerZ> I'd never really thought about it...b/c I grew up in a township with a fucking amazing school district b/c we used local real estate 'not-taxes' but 'levies' to pay for our schools
19:15 <@oddball> Uh, automated fast food services have been around for several years now.  They've even been tested in the US.  The key thing was that it was deterimed to still be better business to use low wage workers.
19:16 <@RangerZ> 'wait... why aren't all schools good'
19:16 <@RangerZ> oddball: mainly b/c of PR
19:16 <@oddball> nope
19:16 <@RangerZ> which is why the robots they are going to be installing now are 'not' robots, they are 'machines'
19:17 <@RangerZ> they have machines now that can make burgers to order, etc.
19:17 <@oddball> Largely due to it being cheaper to pay someone to say "would you like fries with that" than it was to purchase and maintain the machines.
19:18 <@oddball> The PR bit was why McDonalds scraped the idea of using a call center in India as their cashiers.
19:18 <@RangerZ> a big metal box that sits in the back doesn't have the PR cost, because it isn't 'customer facing'
19:19 <@RangerZ> and honestly, I think you'd get better customer service from a touch screen than you do in most "fast" food down here
19:19 <@oddball> Because it *was* cheaper to hire a bunch of shift workers in Dubai and the telecom systems.
19:19 <@RangerZ> "ohh look, i'm waiting in line 15 minutes for my combo #1"
19:20 <@oddball> heh
19:20 <@RangerZ> did I ever tell you about the Filipino call center I had to work with at my one job?
19:20 <@RangerZ> the boss fired 2 people ... 2...
19:20 <@RangerZ> and hired a call center in the Philipnes
19:20 <@oddball> I actually walked out of a Jack in the Box at lunch today.  I was the only customer inside, there were at least 6 employees behind the counter, and no one had taken my order after 10 minutes.
19:21 <@RangerZ> and that call center was to handle lvl 1 calls... (basically hotel guests having trouble connecting to wifi/in-room modems)
19:22 <@RangerZ> but... the company (and I'm guessing the techs) were paid _per minute_
19:22 <@RangerZ> so they would just put guests on hold for 10~15 minutes per call
19:22 <@oddball> heh
19:22 <@RangerZ> whereas -we- when we worked lvl 1 would -purposely- get guests off the phone as soon as possible
19:22 <@RangerZ> because we wanted a break
19:23 <@RangerZ> and -at one point in time- it wasn't 100% calls
19:23 <@RangerZ> I left when it started to be obvious that the job was going downhill
19:23 <@RangerZ> they weren't allowing you to take calls while drinking anymore
19:24 <@RangerZ> no more strippers coming in at night (no 'non-employee persons' on site)
19:24 <@RangerZ> (You think I might be kidding, but apparently the one guy brought his g/f and her "friends from work" in and they all got lap dances one night) lol
19:25 <@RangerZ> a POS job that pays 7.50$/hr (when min. wage is 5.15$) where you can play vieo games between calls... is fine...
19:26 <@RangerZ> a POS job that pays 7.50$/hr (when min. wage is 7.25$) where you are treated like a hostile enemy and expected to work 3x harder than before... hahahaha
19:26 <@RangerZ> I literally just quit and went to work as a lab assistant at my undergrad... was 7.25$/hr and they would work around my class schedule
19:27 <@oddball> Well, with the drinking, not many places officially let you drink on the job.
19:29 <@RangerZ> of all of them... I think we can agree... in bound tech support calls is probably among, if not THE, top jobs that its alright
19:29 <@RangerZ> lol
19:29 <@RangerZ> just look at Dagmar... it would have helped him with vandy so much ;)
19:30 <@oddball> Or, at least, should be alright.
19:30 <@RangerZ> and I half expect Evilpig to be doing that to this day...
19:35 < Healix1> so i went to the geeknic website, it's still last years info, any updated info on it?
19:40 <@oddball> Same hotel.  Date is in the topic.
19:42 < Healix1> alright thanks
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19:44 < aestetix> holy shit
19:44 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQVoz-HX2cA
19:44 < PigBot> Title: Learn the Greek Alphabet in Less Than 10 Minutes - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zbo37yd
19:44 < aestetix> this is really useful
19:48 <@RangerZ> korean characters are even easier
19:49 <@RangerZ> you can even learn how to 'read' it (well pronounce it, no understanding of meaning)
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