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00:24 <@RangerZ> ouch
00:25 <@RangerZ> Oddball: i have a spare SB modem if you want to borrow it
00:25 <@RangerZ> 'only' good up to 150 Mbps
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03:10 < aestetix> I wonder if the US will have another civil war
03:25 <@RangerZ> no
03:25 <@RangerZ> the military is too powerful now
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03:42 <@RangerZ> fucking comcast
03:43 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I have no idea if you saw my reply or not... but no, the US won't go to war again
03:43 <@RangerZ> at least not unless there is a civilization ending level pandemic or the US is geographically split up because of earth quakes or something
03:44 <@RangerZ> or the US gives TX back to Mexico
03:44 <@RangerZ> (THAT would be funny)
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04:35 < aestetix> make texas great again
04:39 <@RangerZ> Texans believe that they still have the right to leave the unino
04:39 <@RangerZ> union*
04:40 <@RangerZ> (completely ignoring every amdendment after the 10th) (actually the 2nd half of the 2nd... but that's besides the point)
04:40 < aestetix> Uh
04:40 < aestetix> They do. It's part of their state constitution
04:40 < aestetix> Also the bit about splitting the state into parts
04:42 <@RangerZ> one of the amendments talks about states can't be made 'inside' existing states
04:43  * RangerZ I forget which one it is offhand
04:43 < aestetix> No, it's not making a new state inside texas
04:43 < aestetix> Their constitution allows Texas to split off into I think 4-5 states
04:43 < aestetix> Also, what about west virginia?
04:43 <@RangerZ> i'm aware, but the legal definition of 'inside'
04:43 <@RangerZ> Tenn actually too
04:43 <@RangerZ> it was part of NC
04:43 < aestetix> huh
04:44 <@RangerZ> until NC decided that "that side of the mountains" was too hard to rule
04:44 <@RangerZ> Tenn was part of NC until 1820s or something
04:44 <@RangerZ> 1796*
04:46 <@RangerZ> but my point is. 1) state constitutions don't mean jack shit, b/c non-missionary sex is still unconstitional in AL IIRC 2) there is the amendment to the constition that mentions the 'within the boards' or 'inside of' ..
04:46  * RangerZ too lazy to look up the exact verbage
04:46  * RangerZ points to this as why I didn't enter law school
04:47 < aestetix> RangerZ: indeed. Thus the funny reaction when I asked a DC constitional lawyer what the point of having state constitutions was
04:47 < aestetix> he did *not* like that question
04:48 <@RangerZ> sorry, Article 4 section 3
04:48 <@RangerZ> "New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
04:48 <@RangerZ> The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to prejudice any claims of the United States, or of any particular state.
04:48 <@RangerZ> "
04:48 <@RangerZ> congress can instantly decide "sorry TX, you can't do that"
04:48 < aestetix> well that worked well
04:48 <@RangerZ> same with Cali (that is why I looked it up)
04:48 < aestetix> it's not like a whole group of southern states seceded or anything
04:49 <@RangerZ> TX wasn't a state then
04:49 <@RangerZ> texas and the other western states is why the split happened right then
04:49 <@RangerZ> because the congress was going to allow them to join, but only as non-slave states
04:50 <@RangerZ> which would have made 2/3 of the states non-slave states, and allowed the 14th amendment (the 2nd one that actually got fully ratified)
04:50 <@RangerZ> there was a 13th and/or 14th amendment that got like 95% ratified
04:50 <@RangerZ> kept missing the '2/3' mark because of states joining (they still counted the south at the time, hehe)
04:52 <@RangerZ> even with my (admitted) lackings of exact specifics... its sad that most people probably have no idea what I'm even refering to
04:53 < aestetix> black lives matter
04:54 <@RangerZ> and?
04:54 <@RangerZ> yes they do, but again, they fall victim to 1) bad game-theory preparing 2) no central leadership
04:55 <@RangerZ> should have been #blacklivesmattertoo
04:55 < aestetix> black lives make america great again
04:55 <@RangerZ> #BLM2
04:55 <@RangerZ> or #blackandbluelivesmatter
04:55 <@RangerZ> (I actually think that one is catchy, lol)
04:56 <@RangerZ> just like when writing an academic paper, or a 'persuasion' paper, you need to think up what the 'other side' will argue first and cut it off beforehand
04:57 <@RangerZ> and BLM despite having 100% valid points, doesn't have a central figurehead who can give guidance, who can be the contact point for interviews, can 'denounce' "bad actors"
04:57 <@RangerZ> etc
04:57 <@RangerZ> same as OWS, and any modern day protest needs to fix those two things before it can gain 'real' power
04:57 <@RangerZ> power = political power
04:58 <@RangerZ> (unless it is a group of authoritarian loving white people)
04:59 < aestetix> blm2 electric boogaloo
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05:00 <@RangerZ> aestetix: https://youtu.be/xNgzDmyc7Us?t=713
05:00 < PigBot> Title: Amanda Taub: The Rise of American Authoritarianism - MR Live - 3/15/16 - YouTube (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/jmwb3qs
05:00 <@RangerZ> you'll _really_ appreciate that interview
05:01 <@RangerZ> http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
05:01 < PigBot> Title: The rise of American authoritarianism - Vox (at www.vox.com) http://tinyurl.com/zd3omo5
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05:14 < aestetix> RangerZ: I love how researchers always appraoch this stuff from a point of moral superiority
05:33 < aestetix> I had to turn off that talk. It was too annoying.
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05:57 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: validity != truth
06:20 <@RangerZ> aestetix: the researcher isn't coming from it with a point of moral superiority, the interviewer is ;)
06:28 <@RangerZ> because the interviewer has for years said that the republican party just wants a 'daddy figure' to tell them what to think/do, etc.
06:29 <@RangerZ> and by 'daddy' he meant, white male authoritarian
06:48 < k3ymkr> Sweet.  Ga just passed a law (Not signed by the Gov yet) that allows me to discriminate against people based on my religious beliefs.
07:13 <@Evilpig> k3ymkr: KY is on that train too
07:32 < k3ymkr> I'm pretty sure Jesus would be proud of his people passing these laws promoting discrimination and hate.
07:32 < k3ymkr> Oh I was thinking Hitler....my bad.
07:45 <@RangerZ> k3ymkr: no, Jesus who does the painting at my apartments counts
07:45 <@RangerZ> you were fine
08:13  * Oddball checks his cable modem
08:13 <@Oddball> yep... still dead.
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08:38 <@Oddball> Yay!  Current estimate is that it should be fixed today... by 11 *tonight*.
09:06 <@RangerZ> Oddball: good...
09:07  * RangerZ I won't say I forgot my modem at home... I just won't -say- it
09:07 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: RWBY movie coming apparently
09:12 <@Oddball> I love that the business class tech support lady can't tell me what's the source of this day and a half outage.
09:12 <@Oddball> That reminds me.  I need to watch the latest season of RWBY.
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09:47 < aestetix> ugh
09:47 < aestetix> fucking saw outside my window
10:08 < aestetix> http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/techflash/2016/03/adult-dorms-vc-common-wework-maveron-fidelity.html
10:08 < PigBot> Title: Adult dorms are the attracting the attention of VCs, as housing pinch grows - San Francisco Business Times (at www.bizjournals.com) http://tinyurl.com/j28n3rr
10:20 <@opticron> adult seesaws and adult dorms? what is this world coming to?
10:33 <@sasquatc4> it does seem pretty sad, at least stuff like that exists in large japanese cities due to land restrictions, it only exists here because of ridiculous money grabs at rent and pricing people out of homes
10:46 <@dasunt> It's sad that we have so much wealth and yet instead of increasing leisure time or lifting up society, we work the same hours and buy more crap.
10:54 <@Dagmar> Those of us doing the work aren't buying more crap.
10:54 <@Dagmar> ...we're just paying proportionally more for it than we did previously, which is why we're not able to shorten working hours
11:02 < aestetix> Yep. We don't have wealth, but assholes like Donald Trump do.
11:13  * dasunt looks at Obama's supreme court pick and wonders about the wisdom of this all.
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12:04 <@RangerZ> dasunt: don't
12:05 <@RangerZ> there is only the 'wisdom' of him being a centrist corpratist democrat who is more worried with his 'legacy' than winning the senate this upcoming term
12:07 < aestetix> RangerZ: when are you gonna run for president
12:07 < aestetix> you could beat Trump
12:30 <@dasunt> "Centrist corporate democrat" is redundant these days.
12:31 <@dasunt> We used to call them the "new democrats", but since it's been about 25 years, they aren't very new these days.
12:53 <@dasunt> WTF?  http://www.computerworld.com/article/3044499/emerging-technology/cybersecurity-and-recalls-will-mean-over-the-air-updates-for-203m-cars-by-2022.html
12:53 < PigBot> Title: Cybersecurity and recalls will mean over-the-air updates for 203M cars by 2022 | Computerworld (at www.computerworld.com) http://tinyurl.com/zck7glf
12:54 <@dasunt> I'm falling into the "wave my cane and yell at the youngins to get off my lawn", but we used to be able to build vehicles that didn't require updates to properly run.
12:55 <@dasunt> Now we build vehicles that need software updates.  They need so many software updates that we decide to fix the problem by doing them over the air.
13:39 <@Oddball> So... apparently the current Comcast issue wasn't a back ho to the trunk.  It's an "unscheduled headend issue."
14:02 <@Oddball> dasunt: My favorite is that folks are shocked that some car companies might rig the onboard computer to lie to emmisions testing centers.
14:34 <@Mirage> Nah, the amazing thing there is that they were dumb enough to trust the onboard computer for the results instead of a wand and gas chromatograph
14:36 <@Evilpig> Mirage: computers don't lie!
14:36 <@Mirage> Evilpig: remember that next time your payroll is fucked up
14:36 <@Evilpig> when my payroll is fucked up, someone in accounting is stealing my shit
14:46 <@dasunt> Mirage: Well, technically, they didn't.  But the testing method assumed that the car would act the same on one of those testing rigs when the back wheels are moving but the front are still.
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14:59 <@Oddball> Evilpig: Correction: Computers tell you exactly what they're told to tell you.
15:17 <@dasunt> I have someone who can't use Software X, they must use Software Y, even though Software X and Software Y is the same category of software, but they claim they can't use Software X easily, and Software Y has an outstanding issue that a certain big company hasn't fixed in several years.
15:18  * dasunt rants.
15:33 <@dasunt> The Selective Service Act allows the president to seize businesses?
15:46 <@dasunt> I'll be damned, it does, if they can't meet their production for war materials.
16:14 <@RangerZ> Mirage: thats not actually the issue, the computer put the car into a 'low emissions' mode when it detected it was in a scenario 'like' the test where they DID put the sensor on the car
16:14 <@RangerZ> not like the nonsense TN accepts the OBD2 computer telling you "I'm ALLLL RIGHT....!!!!"
16:15 <@RangerZ> dasunt: not really
16:15 <@RangerZ> Youngstown Steel vs Truman (the SCOTUS case) said that the president can't do that
16:16 <@Mirage> RangerZ: I would more likely believe that they plugged into the OBDII just like getting your emissions done for your tag
16:16 <@RangerZ> the Selective Service Act can only make -people- (but not corporations, b/c 'they' aren't "people" in this -one- case that benefits them)
16:16 <@RangerZ> Mirage: nope, I watched the testing
16:17 <@RangerZ> its 'real' testing where they measure the exhaust
16:17 <@RangerZ> that is why it was such a 'fuck you' move, it was more than just the computer 'lying'
16:17 <@dasunt> RangerZ: Well, it said he couldn't do that through XO.
16:17 <@RangerZ> it was the computer 'actively fucking lying when it chose to'
16:17 <@dasunt> RangerZ: I was reading about that case, and the strike, and he threatened to do it through SSA instead (which has more requirements).
16:18 <@RangerZ> hmm... perhaps, My understanding was that it basically 'got dropped' after the SCOTUS case
16:19 <@RangerZ> The only reason I know, is b/c I grew up less than a mile from Youngstown Sheet and tube/Steal's former HQ
16:19 <@RangerZ> and we talked about it on constitution day at campus at a seminar at my undergrad
16:20 <@RangerZ> oh sweet jesus... I love me some regex when it works properly... lol
16:20 <@RangerZ> (\s*\{\s*\n\s*)("test_name":")([a-z|A-z|\s]*)(",\s*\n\s*"point_value":")([0-9]*)(",\s*\n\s*"fail_message":")([\s|a-z|A-Z]*)("\s*\n\s*\},*)
16:20 <@RangerZ> @Rubric( \nvalue="\3",\n\tgoal="The goal of this evaluation is to \3",\n\tpoints=\5.0,\n\treference="\7"\n)
16:20 <@RangerZ> saved me -hours- of manual copy/paste
16:21 <@RangerZ> lol
16:24 <@Mirage> Does the time saved make up for the therapy needed later after coming up with that regex?
16:26 <@dasunt> Stop falling asleep on the keyboard.
16:26 <@dasunt> I think it's time for me to give up on IT and become a house flipper.
16:27 <@dasunt> I was killing time on Zillow, and looked at a property we went to an open house on.
16:28 <@dasunt> This property was flipped, and it showed.  They upgraded the appliances and kitchen cabinets and put in some new carpet and a coat of paint.  Plus a new roof.
16:29 <@dasunt> They ignored minor things like the fact that you can't shingle a 1/12 sloped roof, that decking should be attached to the joists underneath, or that garages should be structurally sound.
16:29 < strages> Is OFFSystem still a thing that people use?  or some derivative there of
16:29 <@dasunt> I checked the price the flipper bought it for and the price they sold it for $59k difference.  Not bad for what is likely $10k of materials and around six weeks of work.
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16:33 <@RangerZ> dasunt: you 'can' shingle a 1/12 roof
16:33 <@RangerZ> you just have to be -very- careful with what shingles you buy
16:33 <@RangerZ> aka... you have to buy the ONE fucking company that makes them to work that low grade
16:33 <@RangerZ> and I'm _sure_ a flipper didn't do that
16:38 <@RangerZ> but yeah... a 1/12 roof is -not- a good idea unless you -want- to collect ice/snow weight ;)
16:43 <@dasunt> RangerZ: Yep.  It was just a small shed roof over the porch, but it's one of those things where if you can obviously see where the flipper cut corners, what is it that you're missing?
16:44 <@dasunt> Plus, small shed roof or not, it's a fucking pain to deal with the damage after the roof rots.
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17:05 <@RangerZ> yeah
17:05 <@RangerZ> even metal roofs like that can be a PITA in NE Ohio winters
17:06 <@RangerZ> b/c you get what are called 'ice damns' (spelling -is- correct, b/c that is what you say when you have one hehe)
17:06 <@RangerZ> ohh look... standing water seeping UP INTO the sideing
17:10 <@dasunt> Luckily it's too cold here for that to be a huge problem.
17:18 <@RangerZ> nah... thats the 'bitch of it'... look on the ... DOE?'s page... and look at how ice damns form, it actually requries 'really cold weather' and a warm house
17:19 <@RangerZ> and a gap in insulation
17:19 <@RangerZ> because some water melts right at the heat gap, and then refreezes before falling off the roof
17:20 <@RangerZ> and builds up an ice dam http://www.ellisinsurance.com/images/HOME-ice-dam.gif
17:22  * RangerZ was looking into roof designs about a month ago... and found 'this' little 'peace of heaven' news :/
17:29 <@dasunt> RangerZ: Our houses aren't that poorly insulated.  :p
17:29 <@dasunt> Still, we're required to have first 3' at the eaves to be a waterproof layer.
17:43 < aestetix> so, anyone have an opnion on the best anime of all time?
17:43 < aestetix> contenders for me include evangelion and lain
17:46 <@Mirage> robotech
17:50 <@RangerZ> macross
17:50 <@RangerZ> first 35 episodes of macross ;)
17:50 <@RangerZ> of robotech*
17:50  * RangerZ needs sleep
17:55 <@RangerZ> but yeah, you only really have a couple options, and they are: Macross, Mobile Suit Gundam, Cowboy Bebop (meh to me, but still), Dragonball or Z, Princess Mononoke, Castle in the sky, Kiki's Delivery Service (last 3 are movies), Kodocha, Perfect Blue (The film that Ebert said rivaled Hitchcock for its suspense horror)
17:55 < aestetix> hmm
17:55 < aestetix> I really liked Memories
17:57 <@RangerZ> Evangelion is 'interesting' and a touchstone
17:58 <@RangerZ> but it running out of money 3/4 of the way through.... and basically showing the back of people's heads while people talked in monologue... was because that was the cheapest thing to do ;)
17:58 <@RangerZ> Slam Dunk (yes, about basketball, has a more interesting story than actual basketball ;) )
17:59 <@RangerZ> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1773185/ if you want 'mind twisting like you think Dagmar wrote it'... here you go
17:59 < PigBot> Title: Maho Shojo Madoka Magica (TV Series 2011– ) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) http://tinyurl.com/jab6peo
18:00 <@RangerZ> _that_ had me going 'what the fuck' for weeks at a time when it released
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21:42 <@RangerZ> http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/17/11256318/comcast-is-afraid-of-google-fiber
21:42 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
21:42 <@RangerZ> hehe
21:50 <@RangerZ> ohhh... a shooting at La Quinta Inn on Sidco Drive...there is a shocker...
21:52 <@RangerZ> http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/person-shot-outside-vanderbilt-university
21:52 < PigBot> Title: Man Shows Up On Vanderbilt Campus After Motel Shooting - Story (at www.newschannel5.com) http://tinyurl.com/zngrmle
21:54 <@Dagmar> Heh
21:56 <@Dagmar> ...and I would only write things with a coherent plot.
21:56 <@Dagmar> Unlike this new show that just came on Netflix called 'The Boring'
21:56 <@Dagmar> er... 'The Returned'
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22:26 <@Oddball> fuck comcast
23:48 <@RangerZ> Oddball: but didn't you see?
23:48 <@RangerZ> comcast has the fastest wireless
23:49 <@RangerZ> as an FYI, you can find out who has comcast fairly easily....
23:50 <@RangerZ> http://www.xfinity.com/Corporate/shop/productoverview.html just enter addresses (even apartment #s) and see which ones tell you that they are an existing customer
23:50 <@RangerZ> lol
23:50 < PigBot> Title: Comcast Deals, Offers, Specials and Promotions | XFINITY® (at www.xfinity.com) http://tinyurl.com/paq28ce
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