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01:14 <@DagmarX> There we go.  That's way better.
01:36 < aestetix> what about DagmarXP?
01:42 <@DagmarX> Nope.
01:43 <@DagmarX> So... this is a mess
01:43 <@DagmarX> Windows Update on this install of Win7 SP1 doesn't work
01:43 <@DagmarX> Like, at all
01:46 <@DagmarX> This is pretty fucked up
02:10 <@DagmarX> It's looking like I'm going to have to manually update Windows Update and possibly Internet Explorer just to get Windows Update working
02:10 <@DagmarX> Jesus
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09:00 <@Evilpig> guess I need to call and yell at comcast, again
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10:09 <@rattle> Damn, I wish Neoteric was here.  This would make his dick feel super small.  https://www.facebook.com/TheVomitorium/videos/1002815169810173/
10:10 < PigBot> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/jkqrpwo
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11:49 < aestetix> fuck windows
11:51 < aestetix> I assume the point of the signed drivers program they have verified they don't cause problems
11:52 < aestetix> So why did installing a verified signed driver cause my fresh install of server 2012 to take a shit
12:14 <@Dagmar> I've no idea where you got that idea.
12:15 <@Dagmar> The only thing they're verifying is that it hasn't been tampered with by people who wanted to add bad software to it
12:15 < aestetix> Man the Democratic debate is so much better than the GOP
12:15 < aestetix> for substance, not comedy
12:15 <@Dagmar> Sanders is handling representation of the "Grown-Ass Adult Party"
12:16 < aestetix> Wait a second. Do you have to pay microsoft to get your drivers signed?
12:20 < aestetix> yep
12:20 < aestetix> https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/hardware/hh801887
12:20 < PigBot> Title: Get a code signing certificate - Windows 10 hardware dev (at msdn.microsoft.com) http://tinyurl.com/zozdhe5
12:24 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you dno't have to pay for each driver IIRC but for the key at all
12:24 <@RangerZ> don't*
12:24 <@RangerZ> same with getting a key for MSI installer certs
12:27 <@RangerZ> but ask Realtech and ... who was it... adobe... that had their keys 'used' for stuxnet?
12:40 <@RangerZ> also...
12:40 <@RangerZ> Just so everyone knows
12:40 <@RangerZ> Santa Claus is canon in Star Trek
12:41  * RangerZ alright my job here is done
12:41  * RangerZ I have a random factoid that makes no sense of the day
12:46 <@RangerZ> as are the Xmen... but thats a random factoid for another day
12:51 <@rattle> aestetix: MSFT has several programs for signing, access to security APIs, fore-knowledge of "things", etc..  They do a pretty decent job of it.
12:51 <@rattle> In my former position, I was the one that did the negotiation for VIA/MMPC.  They're actually quite nice to work with.
12:52  * Catonic goes Whee!
12:52 <@Catonic> I've hung off more towers than most serial killers! :D
12:53 < aestetix> rattle: So you're pro government, pro corporation, and pro microsoft.
12:53 <@rattle> They've got a few different levels of driver signing..  There's one that guarantees you're the first thing to load after the base OS straps and stuff like that.
12:53 < aestetix> When did you turn into sdodson? :p
12:53 <@Catonic> aestetix: they have all sorts of hooks in there.
12:53 <@Catonic> what rattle said.
12:53 <@rattle> Dude, I've been in the conspiracy for years.  Changing shit from the inside bro..  From the inside..
12:54 <@Catonic> rattle went SLC Punk with it... he bought in.
12:54 < aestetix> rattle: I will not consider Windows anything resembling good until I can recompile the kernel.
12:54 <@rattle> You know, I've spoken to them about that..
12:54 <@Catonic> I'm ditching M$ and Apple. Someone pooped in the kool-aid.
12:55 <@rattle> Internally, MSFT has totally decided they are down with open source.  They are of the opinion that they would love to open source Windows as a whole, but there are genuine issues approaching how to do it.
12:55 < aestetix> Such as?
12:55 <@rattle> Like, you can't just compile windows like you would a Linux kernel on a laptop of something.  You're talking like a build environment that's a few racks of equipment.
12:56 < aestetix> So the windows kernel is really bloated?
12:58 <@rattle> No.  The way it's architected, the whole thing top to bottom builds together.  Hardware security modules for key signing.  Gapped environments with data-diode policy..
12:59 < aestetix> So why can't they open source it? Just because nobody is able to compile it doesn't mean nobody wants to read it.
13:00 <@rattle> I think what they want to do, is make the source code viewable and accessable through Visual Studio somehow, and you can submit changes or whatever..  Then it builds in the cloud and hands it back to you.
13:00 < aestetix> .....
13:01 < aestetix> That is terrible.
13:01 <@rattle> But, whatever..  Shrug.  It's been awhile since I talked to anyone over there.
13:01 < aestetix> I said I wanted to see their code, not install Visual Studio. :)
13:01 <@rattle> There has been a huge attitude shift at Microsoft the past few years, and it is for the better, for what that's worth..
13:04 < aestetix> I wonder what would happen if someone leaked the seed keys for MS's hardware modules
13:04 <@Dagmar> Meh.  One can't "just" compile RedHat or Debian or many of the others on a laptop
13:04 <@Dagmar> Don't compare a kernel to an entire distro
13:04 < aestetix> agreed
13:05 < aestetix> well except for gentoo
13:05 <@Dagmar> It could be argued that you're never really done compiling Gentoo
13:05 < aestetix> hahaa
13:05 <@Dagmar> I *think* I found a pair of patches that fix this demented Windows Update issue
13:10 <@Mirage> lolz.. got a request from a system owner to install the following packages which are "missing": numactl,glibc,java,python,X11,Libraries,perl-Net-SSLeay,at,libpng,JUnit,ntp,nfs-utils.x86_64,nfs-utils-lib.x86_64,firefox,compat-libstdc++-33,libuuid,libSM,libXrender,fontconfig,libstdc++,zlib,apr,ksh
13:10 <@Mirage> what "missing" packages stand out immediately as a red flag in that list that something else is going on?
13:12 <@Dagmar> GLIBC
13:12 <@Mirage> As I'm sure would be expected in a situation like this, `rpm -qa` shows a whopping 2 installed packages on the system, which obviously isn't correct.
13:12 <@Dagmar> ...and wtf with numactl?
13:12 <@Dagmar> Someone managed to trash their package inventory
13:12 <@Mirage> massively
13:13 <@Dagmar> Hopefully they won't mind a reinstall, because that machine just became fundamentally unmanageable
13:13 <@Mirage> I'm letting our new "L3" guy chew on this one.   I gave him the breadcrumbs and wanna see if he figures out whacking the db files and running rpm --rebuilddb
13:14 <@Dagmar> Oh I'd be kind of surprised to see it actually rebuild that
13:14 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I wonder why there's no consistency check
13:14 <@Mirage> If rpm rebuild doesn't work, then yeah...they need a rebuild because nothing will ever work right
13:15 <@Dagmar> If it's got an inventory of packages hidden away somewhere, it would seem silly to not check the mtime of that against any pre-cooked db
13:16 <@Dagmar> So... apparently if one installs Win7 SP1 one must also apply two separate patches before it stands a chance in hell of calculating the 213+ updates necessary from that point forward
13:16 <@Dagmar> ...and one MUST do this before attempting to upgrade to Windows 10, if Windows Update won't run
13:16 <@Dagmar> ...because the Windows 10 update calls the WUAU service to get the initial set of updates before _it_ can install itself
13:17 <@Mirage> whoa, yum is worthless right now too "Could not determine what version of Red Hat Linux you are running."
13:18 <@Mirage> hadn't seen that error before.
13:18 <@Mirage> I expected the "rpm db is corrupted and needs to be rebuilt" error
13:19 <@Dagmar> Interesting
13:19 <@Dagmar> So there's two cablemodems on my account now...
13:20 <@Dagmar> Apparently having the one i'm not using still bound to the account is keeping my utilization meter at 0gb
13:20 <@Mirage> gonna multipath your upstream?
13:20 <@Dagmar> We'll see if it changes to reflect a more accurate number when I call them to remove the old one (AFTER the fourth download of Windows 10)
13:29 <@rattle> aestetix: If MSFT fucked up their key management, it would be a very, very, very bad day.
13:30 < aestetix> rattle: RSA did
13:30 <@rattle> Keep in mind, I worked at a security company that had it's build environment compromised (before I took over as chief)..  I know how those situations go down, and you never want to find yourself in one.. :)
13:30 < aestetix> rattle: so how many people actually use Windows Server?
13:30 <@rattle> Shit tons.
13:30 < aestetix> huh
13:31 < aestetix> So IIS is in production in places?
13:31 <@rattle> Since w2k8r2, it's actually been a pretty solid operating system too..
13:32 < aestetix> Does it have anything like iptables?
13:32 <@rattle> IIS isn't the platform of choice for big websites..  But tons of enterprise apps run on top of IIS.
13:32 <@rattle> Yeah, it has a firewall stack.
13:32  * aestetix notes how many major hacks we have seen lately
13:33 <@rattle> You can manage it through group policy, but things like Drawbridge are what the sophisticated shops use.
13:33 < aestetix> The one thing I did sense when reading windows tutorials is money
13:33 <@rattle> Everything is vulnerable as fuck.  Everything.  Windows, Linux, Mac..  All of it.
13:33 <@Evilpig> no me
13:33 <@Evilpig> i'm rock solid
13:34 < aestetix> Evilpig: nobody wants to penetrate your holes
13:34 <@rattle> You can lock down windows pretty fucking hard if you know what you're doing, believe it or not..
13:34 < aestetix> rattle: please enlighten me
13:35 < aestetix> Because I am now stuck in charge of one :/
13:35 <@Evilpig> aestetix: security policies on windows can be very restrictive, down to as much as whitelisting applications
13:35 < aestetix> I think my cat just farted
13:36 <@rattle> Hardening based on standards like DISA STIGs or CIS framework, app whitelisting with Bit9, ETD with CarbonBlack, micro-segmentation with Drawbridge, log aggregation and user behavioral anomaly detection with a number of different solutions, etc..
13:36 <@rattle> Say what you will, you can get shit done with money.
13:37 <@rattle> And there are vulnerability management platforms like NeXpose you can use to verify things are compliant with whatever standards you set, are not missing patches, etc..
13:38 < aestetix> So why do I need to reboot every time I install a device driver?
13:38 < aestetix> Seems like Windows would be able to grasp kernel modules
13:40 <@rattle> I donno..  Typically you only need to reboot for drivers that are for core system function handling hardware, like video adaptors, certain storage adaptors, etc..  Sure you're not actually installing a rootkit?
13:41 <@rattle> I still prefer *nix, but I acknowledge MSFT has radically improved the past few years.
13:42 <@rattle> I think the people across the street are getting back at us for constantly shutting down the area for motorcades and stuff.  We're currently surrounded by four or five semi-trucks worth of film crew...
13:54 < aestetix> I wonder what the google search trends for donald trump's penis are
14:14 <@Evilpig> uh oh rattle,  do you see chris hansen anywhere?
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16:19 <@Dagmar> Aliens/
16:38 <@RangerZ> Joking Hazard Successfully raised $3,246,589 USD with 63,758 backers
16:38 <@RangerZ> guess asking 10k "wasnt much", lol
16:50 < aestetix> just finished house of cards
16:50 < aestetix> god that show is good
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17:56 <@Evilpig> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1187836018/qoometer-finally-a-smart-usb-cable-charger-tester?ref=email
17:56 < PigBot> Title: qualMeter:Finally a Smart USB Cable/Charger Tester for Dummy by Intelliplus Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) http://tinyurl.com/gqcwcoj
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20:18 <@RangerZ> okay... fuck that nonsense
20:18 <@RangerZ> got a new set of credit cards w/chip&pin
20:18 <@RangerZ> had to go through 3 of them before any -actually- worked
20:19 <@RangerZ> at fucking _aldi's_ of all places, and it came up non-sufficient funds, I'm like... umm... NO...
20:27 <@RangerZ> okay... I want to fucking rant right now... the _fuckers_ who made qt (which mind you, I think is technically impressive as a whole, especially compared to gtk(from what I found when I looked into it a few years ago)) need to be slapped
20:27 <@RangerZ> their regular exression pattern matching doesn't support inline toggling of greedy vs nongreedy
20:27 <@RangerZ> so >> (.|\n)+? << doesn't work
20:28 <@RangerZ> "it's up to the client to have a toggle for turning off non-greedy"
20:28 <@RangerZ> which 1) implies you can't have both greedy and non-greedy matching in the same statement
20:29 <@RangerZ> 2) fuck you if the client doesn't do that (such as kate...of ALL FUCKING CLIENTS)
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21:12 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfYsKkozRoE this is actually an interesting case
21:12 < PigBot> Title: Hulk Hogan Sex Tape Lawsuit Against Gawker Gets Interesting - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jom9bg8
21:12 <@RangerZ> it is a very intersting free speech vs privacy case
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23:05 < Synx_hm> well fuck
23:06 < Synx_hm> my tenants were evacuated from my home yesterday, and are now being evacuated from their hotel
23:06 < Synx_hm> flooding
23:07 <@RangerZ> Synx_hm: where?
23:07 < Synx_hm> Bossier City, LA
23:07 <@RangerZ> Synx_hm: hope you -had- flood insurance
23:07 < Synx_hm> no sir
23:07 <@RangerZ> because you won't after today
23:07 < Synx_hm> thought my place is up on a hill
23:07 < Synx_hm> though
23:07 < Synx_hm> so unless they get another 20feet of water i think ill be fine
23:08 <@RangerZ> that near LA?
23:08 < Synx_hm> who knows though they evacuated the entire subdivision because the levee is about to top
23:08 < Synx_hm> its the other side of the red river in Shreveport
23:08 < Synx_hm> where all the news coverage is
23:09 <@RangerZ> because I saw some really intersting stories about how LA is basically designed from the ground up to 'get rid of water'
23:09 < Synx_hm> LA as in Los Angeles?
23:09 <@RangerZ> so any work they do now to 'capture' any of it, is going to difficult
23:09 <@RangerZ> yeah
23:09 < Synx_hm> naw my rental is in louisiana
23:09 <@RangerZ> apparently LA had -massive- flooding issues in the early 1900s
23:10 <@RangerZ> ahh, I -thought- your house was 'deep south'
23:10 <@RangerZ> but I was like "ehh... whatever"
23:10 < Synx_hm> ha
23:10 < Synx_hm> its a confusing mess because i lived in LA (Los Angeles) and also Louisiana
23:10 <@RangerZ> I'm still not used to anyone -ever- mentioning LA meaning Louisiana
23:11 <@RangerZ> and the fact I'm closer to New Orleans than Cleveland is a little depressing
23:11 < Synx_hm> ha
23:11 < Synx_hm> im just happy to be more north that i was in louisiana
23:12 <@RangerZ> in 20 yaers, you'll be in Canada
23:12 <@RangerZ> hehe
23:12 <@RangerZ> (might only take until I graduate if Trump gets elected)
23:12 < Synx_hm> i duno trump and i might just be in canada in a year
23:12 < Synx_hm> haha
23:15 <@RangerZ> and I'm not even slightly kidding
23:15 <@RangerZ> Toronto or something
23:15 <@RangerZ> or possibly the west coast
23:17 <@RangerZ> no matter what I will be moving after graduation likely
23:17 <@RangerZ> possibly
23:17 <@RangerZ> potentially
23:17 <@RangerZ> (no real certainty even there), hehe
23:17 < Synx_hm> :)
23:18 <@RangerZ> I could probably get hired at my undergrad
23:18 <@RangerZ> they like to hire local graduates
23:19 <@RangerZ> but I need a few years teaching somewhere else where I can show 'some' useful output (generally research, or a good book, etc.)
23:19 < Synx_hm> 'or a good book' :)
23:19 <@RangerZ> because I want a tenure track position, not something less
23:20 <@RangerZ> my undergrad puts a lot of weight on book publishing and not just research
23:20 <@RangerZ> since it isn't a 'reasearch' university
23:20 < Synx_hm> i meant that more as a 'sure ill just write a book'
23:22 <@RangerZ> lol
23:22 <@RangerZ> yeah
23:25 <@Dagmar> Speaking of books... I have two to show you at the next meeting time
23:25 <@Dagmar> They're "Activity Books".
23:26 <@Dagmar> ...which are like a bad chauvanist joke brought to life.
23:27 < Synx_hm> ha
23:28 < Synx_hm> ok ive got an hour before i have to start work goign to go off a read for a bit
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