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02:10 <@Dagmar> I trust by now that everyone's seen the Aperture Science Robot Repair VR demo
03:22 < aestetix> lol
03:22 < aestetix> https://lwn.net/Articles/132513/
03:22 < PigBot> Title: Re: Re: Merge with git-pasky II. [LWN.net] (at lwn.net) http://tinyurl.com/jtng9dw
03:22 < aestetix> linus rants are hilarious
05:31 < aestetix> god
05:31 < aestetix> social marxism... I'm listening to a lecture on it
05:31 < aestetix> it is complete and utter bullshit
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06:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, b0tches and h0ez!
06:46  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:22 <@Evilpig> bill nye will be at vandy on March 31
09:23 <@Dolemite> show up in a white lab coat
09:49 <@RangerZ> also... fuck disney
09:49 <@RangerZ> because they stopped his show at 99 episodes
09:49 <@RangerZ> that way it never entered syndication
09:49 <@RangerZ> and the dvds of it are like 1.5 grand or something
09:50 <@RangerZ> they only sell it for "classroom bundles"
09:52 <@RangerZ> hell I don't even see that anymore, looks like they sell an ep for 15$
09:53  * RangerZ wonders why digital copyright infringement is so popular
10:13 <@RangerZ> http://www.dep-store.com/Bill-Nye-the-Science-Guy-The-Complete-Series-p/77a09pk00.htm
10:13 < PigBot> Title: Bill Nye the Science Guy: The Complete Series (at www.dep-store.com) http://tinyurl.com/zywygjm
10:13 <@RangerZ> correction 999$
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10:23 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ fucking Dinesh D'Souza, I thought we decided that felons weren't 'real citizens' anymore and even took away their right to vote
10:23 < PigBot> Title: "Hillarys America" Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hne87og
10:24 <@RangerZ> This asshat is such a marketing tool, He's great at just milking conservatives out of their money
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10:50 <@Dagmar> I'll just leave this here https://info.varonis.com/cards?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=cait&utm_medium=display
10:50 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:492: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshake failure. http://tinyurl.com/hwqu8ee
10:51 <@Dagmar> It's Cards Against IT
10:54 <@opticron> RangerZ, there appear to be 100 episodes of bill nye
10:54 <@opticron> and syndication threshold now is apparently around 88 episodes
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11:09 < aestetix> man
11:09 < aestetix> hearing all the stuff about hillary
11:10 < aestetix> I wish someone would pay me $200k to give a speech
11:25 <@RangerZ> 250k$ per speech
11:25 <@RangerZ> her and bill made over 10million in -personal- money from speeches (to the big banks? (I'm not sure if this end is 100% accurate or not))
11:26 <@RangerZ> let alone the _B_-illions that have been donated to their foundation
11:26 <@RangerZ> I don't believe she has ever done anything 'directly' illegal
11:26 <@RangerZ> but her and bill both 'skirt the edges of the law' in the way they behave
11:27 <@RangerZ> which if -we- did it, we would all laugh and pat each other on the backs
11:27 <@Dolemite> I'll give a speech for $2000.  What a bargain!
11:28 <@RangerZ> Hell, I'm guilty of using personal friendships and personal vendettas in professional life
11:28 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I'm pretty sure there's plenty of shit she did with her email that's illegal
11:28 <@RangerZ> I fucking blacklisted crazypants with all government jobs in the last administration because the night before she decided that _I_ was the next random person in channel to attack for no reason
11:29 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: nah, I'm sure its not
11:29 <@Dagmar> ...and no, I wouldn't be doing that silly shit
11:29 <@RangerZ> because there was no law stating that the gov't had to host the emails
11:29 <@RangerZ> and -retroactively- classified materials are not illegal to have had
11:29 <@Dagmar> There are however, laws stating you can't be storing secret, top secret, and above classified material on unapproved servers
11:29 <@Dagmar> ...and she did plenty of that
11:30 <@Dagmar> Completely separate from the stuff that was classified later
11:30 <@RangerZ> no, the law NOW states that the gov't should host the emails (and she left before that law), and there is no law on how 'materials LATER classifed' need to be handled
11:30 <@Dagmar> I am not talking about the emails with information that was classified after the fact
11:31 <@RangerZ> as far as I know, there is no other emails
11:31 <@RangerZ> that is what the FBI is currently investigating
11:31 <@RangerZ> 'morally' I completely agree with you, its just that I think this is another one of those 'followed the letter of the law'(or was close to it)
11:32 <@Dagmar> She was the _secretary of state_
11:32 < aestetix> RangerZ: is the Clinton Foundation anything more than a front to funnel money?
11:32 <@Dagmar> She was absolutely supposed to know opsec for fucks' sake
11:33 <@RangerZ> doesn't matter, she's still a better potential president than any of the clowns that I'm assuming you'll be able to get tickets at the next republican debate here https://www.ringling.com/?gclid=CPzAu9KNr8sCFUg8gQodXRoO3A
11:33 < PigBot> Title: Ringing Brothers and Barnum & Bailey Circus (at www.ringling.com) http://tinyurl.com/zjrwydv
11:33 <@Dagmar> It would be unreasonable to expect people who have clearances to _create_ all their documents on government managed equipment so it can be filtered for classified information
11:34 <@Dagmar> You're supposed to FUCKING KNOW that you're dealing with sensitive information and NOT fucking post it onto unsafe equipment
11:34 <@Dagmar> She flat out ignored this
11:34 <@RangerZ> of course Bernie is better than her, but he has a 'common sense' stanse on the current gun issue (can't legalize secondary liability else our entire legal system starts to fall apart)
11:34 < aestetix> You know
11:34 <@Dagmar> ...and did so on a server that most of us would consider to be "criminally" insecure
11:34 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: most of 'us' , not 'most americans'
11:34 <@RangerZ> again I agree with you 'morally'
11:34 < aestetix> It is interesting that our government has a massive problem with overclassifying things, and yet the things she emailed were not yet classified
11:35 < aestetix> Dagmar: why? was it running windows?
11:35 <@RangerZ> aestetix: easy, state dept is MOSTLY 'above board'
11:35 <@Dagmar> Focusing on that the emails were being tagged as classified by the state dept after the fact ignores the fact that she was supposed to _know_ that the information was classfied
11:35 <@Dagmar> aestetix: ...and VNC.
11:36 <@RangerZ> aestetix: the CIA 'co-located at state dept locations' (Such as Bengazhi, which was nominally a State Dept almost-embasy was mostly just a CIA front)
11:36 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Someone on HNN used the vulnerability-tracking version of The Wayback Machine to go look at some vulnerability scans that were performed on Clinton's private server during the time period in questin.
11:36 <@Mirage> Dagmar: maybe she had Gore hook her up with his guy, who we all know is an ubergeek when it comes to security, so there wouldn't be any fear of hacking
11:36 <@Dagmar> So basically, just assume the fucking Chinese had access to the private mailbox of the Secretary of STate
11:36 < aestetix> Mirage: that would be fucking hilarious.
11:36 <@Dagmar> Mirage: no worries there, since the guy who actually did do it just signed an immunity deal with the DoJ
11:37 <@RangerZ> aestetix: again, state dept. is almost entirely 'above board' so its easy to see why they wouldn't be sending much classified material, when you have 'back channels' for that, plausible deniability and all
11:37 <@Dagmar> To make this shit absolutely clear... if you are in a meeting which is classified Top Secret, and you're told shit... and then you go post that shit to your goddamn gmail account, you just broke the law AND are a fucking moron
11:38 <@RangerZ> agreed
11:38 <@Dagmar> If you post it to your fucking private exchange server with multiple mechanisms of remote admin access enabled on it, then fuck you with a goddamn metro bus for being that stupid
11:39 <@Dagmar> THis is literally part of the reason they're supposed to use government-run servers
11:39 <@RangerZ> agreed, but no classified material went through that email, or at least wasn't suppose to
11:39 <@Dagmar> So if they fuck up and accidentally disclose something sensitive in an email, the auditors can at least be aware of specifically what went where, and the filters can maybe catch it before it goes out
11:39 <@RangerZ> believe me, I don't want to be the one defending Shillary
11:40 <@Dagmar> Whether or not they were "marked as classified" is so irrelevant as to be nigh insane.
11:40 <@Dagmar> Do you you see any [CLASSIFIED] CTCP flag for IRC?
11:40 <@Dagmar> The information _in_ the emails being itself _classfied information_ is the problem here
11:41 <@RangerZ> sure, if it was 'at the time'
11:41 <@Dagmar> It was
11:41 <@RangerZ> but I haven't seen any evidence of that
11:41 <@RangerZ> honestly, it doesn't matter
11:41 <@Dagmar> ...and again, this is _why_ they're supposed to use the goddamn gov't-run servers, among other reasons
11:41 <@RangerZ> she has political power, so she'll never be held accountable
11:42 <@Dagmar> Well, I do agree with you on that one
11:42 <@Dagmar> This will all be dragged out until well after November
11:42 <@RangerZ> sadly, they _weren't_ "Suppose to" use gov't run email servers -then-
11:42 <@RangerZ> which is fucking stupid
11:42 <@RangerZ> but thats how it is
11:43 <@Dagmar> They wouldn't be going forward with trying to shove her down our throats if the DNC weren't quite certain that could keep this stifled until potentially after the election
11:43 <@Dagmar> No.  Wrong.
11:43 <@Dagmar> She was the fucking secretary of state
11:43 <@Dagmar> It was literally her JOB to keep this shit secret
11:43 <@Dagmar> It doesn't matter _how_ you fail at OpSec.
11:43 <@Dagmar> At that level, fucking up is not an option.
11:44 <@Dagmar> They don't tell people who leak secrets to enemies "Oh well, since you just posted this to your Facebook instead of selling it to China, you get a pass then."
11:46 <@Mirage> http://twitpic.com/cuv3gc
11:46 < PigBot> Title: Damn you auschwitz. on Twitpic (at twitpic.com) http://tinyurl.com/zv68hef
11:48 <@Mirage> I remember that was mine.   Who was this one?  Dolemite? http://twitpic.com/cuvpn1
11:48 < PigBot> Title: Of course this combination won. Its a trump card. on Twitpic (at twitpic.com) http://tinyurl.com/glv7ugk
11:53 <@Dolemite> No, I don't think I had taht one
12:15 <@Dagmar> http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/5480588335.html
12:15 < PigBot> Title: Oculus Rift DK1 - Complete (at nashville.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/gs6v7nu
12:21 <@Mirage> Wait, was that the one that I played that had us laughing so hard we couldn't do anything for 5-10 minutes?
12:22 <@Mirage> There was a lot of drinking going on, so that evening is a little hazy
12:26 <@Evilpig> Maybe i'll have joking hazard before this year
12:26 <@Evilpig> that'll be a stretch though
12:36 < aestetix> lol you said stretch
12:43 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/03/07/desperation-clinton-camp-now-attacking-another-nonpartisan-inspector-general-n2128798
12:43 < PigBot> Title: WaPo: Clinton Personally Wrote 104 Classified Emails, Contradicting Her Claims - Guy Benson (at townhall.com) http://tinyurl.com/jat5pe7
12:54 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p3amsz5kph7398b/Screenshot%202016-03-07%2012.54.16.png?dl=0
12:54 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-03-07 12.54.16.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/jlkzolz
12:54 <@Evilpig> I'm about to have a problem, I think
13:11 <@Dolemite> I told you to eat more fiber
13:13 <@Dagmar> I don't think they even really ask questions on that one
13:13 <@Dagmar> Well, beyond "DID YOU READ THIS, REALLY?"
13:13 < aestetix> on a related note
13:13 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fn5gr/reddit_what_is_your_silent_unseen_act_of_personal/c1hdgwv
13:13 < PigBot> Title: RubyRhod comments on Reddit, what is your silent, unseen act of personal defiance? (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/qywhy8c
13:15 <@Dagmar> HHAHAH
13:17 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7g84ordiww2ohw2/Screenshot%202016-03-07%2013.12.15.png?dl=0
13:17 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-03-07 13.12.15.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/z6mgqyk
13:17 <@Evilpig> and this one cracked me up too
13:17 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmeqc7qmj2mxhhj/Screenshot%202016-03-07%2013.13.10.png?dl=0
13:17 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-03-07 13.13.10.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/gq2xpbt
13:18 <@Evilpig> fraud, waste, or abuse of resources is so important they tell you twice on the same screen
13:18 <@Evilpig> yet they can waste $100k on software to monitor and track the datacenter, but it isn't waste
13:21 <@Dagmar> No, becuase management signed off on it
13:22 <@Dagmar> Therefore it is not waste, no matter how stupid it is to be paying Verisign for all those SSL certs despite that they'd get the same service from a more nimble reseller of Verisign certs for much less than half the cost.
13:23 <@Dagmar> ...despite the fact that the difference could have easily doubled my salary... money was just too darn tight
13:24 <@Dolemite> They had to spend it all on bending to rules to promote someone without a degree to Director so that he could drive away all the decent talent.
13:24 <@Dolemite> or something like that
13:25 <@Dagmar> I say he's got incriminating photos of someone.
13:25 <@Dagmar> I can't think of any other _reasonable_ explanation
13:25 <@Dagmar> Then again, I'm not a fan of nepotism so it may actually just be "good old boy" syndrome
13:51 <@Catonic> ..
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13:53 <@Catonic> weird ass connectivity issues that shouldn't exist in 2016.
13:54 <@RangerZ> Catonic: who does bellsouth think they are? comcast?
13:54 <@RangerZ> its not like they have have a monopoly on home broadband like they do on phones
13:55 <@RangerZ> did they forget that they have to at least 'pretend' to be good until after fcc merger approval ? hehe
13:58 <@Mirage> lol..apparently my webapp is a "piece of shit" because when the MSSQL backend server managed by someone else breaks it thows and error and doesn't load the normal page.
13:59 <@RangerZ> is that a 'thing' ?
14:00 <@Mirage> that and our L2 team (short bus riders) saw fit to escalate to me because the "page wouldn't load" and "shows an error".   The erro was:  Unable to connect to NewLab MSSQL server: cnpdcvbcsql002.pldc.kp.org
14:00 <@RangerZ> Perhaps a 50X page stating "backend SQL fucked up" ?
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14:01 <@RangerZ> umm... it should NOT show a static page when the backend is down... except one telling people that there are errors and to please contact L2 and tell them that the webapp is working, but the backend server is not
14:01 <@RangerZ> hehe
14:01 <@Mirage> Once again I assert that we would have to fire at least half, if not more, of the India team if we simply administered the "square peg/round hole" test
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14:07 <@Mirage> Something like this would probably be too advanced for them:  http://i.ebayimg.com/00/z/M6sAAOxyzi9Se2vD/$T2eC16JHJGMFFpfi!d7!BSe2vGu-Tw~~_32.JPG
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14:49 < smccombs> Does anyone know of a good web hosting service? I have tried godaddy, justhost, dreamhost, and nexcess. Nexcess has been the best so far for me but, what is the best you all have used?
14:50 <@Mirage> i use hostmonster for a couple sites and it's always been fine for me.
14:51 <@Mirage> I think the se2600, nashville2600, and maybe even one of the PN sites used to be hosted on it.
14:51 < smccombs> My customer freaks out if they do not support IMap IDLE for emailing.
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14:52 <@Mirage> i don't use them for anything but web hosting, so I dunno.
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14:56 < smccombs> Also looking at a open source network backup software. I've used cobain for 3 years now, but it's a pain scheduling everything.
15:11 < aestetix> I must say, NIST remains fun to troll
15:13 <@Evilpig> smccombs: if you don't need something super fancy backuppc is what i've used for years
15:14 <@Evilpig> it's essentially just a front end for rsync and some fancy backend logic to hard link files to save space
15:15 < smccombs> Does it work with windows and does network backups?
15:15 <@Evilpig> windows yes if you use an rsync agent.  I have one that is based around cygwin and runs as a service in the background
15:15 <@Evilpig> network, depends on your device.  if it supports rsync, yup
15:16 <@Evilpig> http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
15:16 < PigBot> Title: BackupPC: Open Source Backup to disk (at backuppc.sourceforge.net) http://tinyurl.com/9vdox
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15:47 <@rattle> Buzz Aldrin is going to be at our office on Thursday.
15:48 <@rattle> But it's the DC office, and I work in the NYC office.  Waaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!  I want to meet Buzz!!  Waaaaaaahhh!
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15:54 < aestetix> wow nice
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15:57 <@rattle> BREAKING:  TEMPERATURE PLUMMETING IN HELL - https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2016/03/07/announcing-sql-server-on-linux/
15:57 < PigBot> Title: Announcing SQL Server on Linux - The Official Microsoft Blog (at blogs.microsoft.com) http://tinyurl.com/zl9xj9y
16:02 < aestetix> rattle: you'll be happy to know I am trollin NIST really hard.
16:02 <@rattle> How so?
16:06 < aestetix> the working group I'm involed with is trying to come up with a framework for digital identity
16:07 < aestetix> They have been trying to push through various definitions of "user"
16:07 < aestetix> So I just wrenched their system by asking if a "citizen" is a "user"
16:08 < aestetix> lemme see if I can find an email chain that's public
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16:14 < aestetix>  yeah they hate me
16:23 <@Catonic> who doesn't manilla?
16:26 < aestetix> Catonic: what up my kligga
16:45 <@Catonic> debugging, stayin out of trouble, building networks
16:46 <@Catonic> Seems sad to approach people peoples like a hacker... direct method doesn't work, try to work around them... if that doesn't work, social engineer others into providing the access necessary.
16:46 <@Catonic> *people problems
16:47 <@Catonic> so much of stuff is getting people to cut the red tape across rather than horizontally or slightly diagonally.
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17:04 <@rattle> Google has hired moot to save Google+.
17:04 <@rattle> That's not a joke.
17:04 <@rattle> That's really happened.
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17:22 <@Evilpig> rattle: I have a joke for you.  I'm not laughing one bit either...
17:22 <@Evilpig> So I was just at kroger picking up stuff for dinner and my zyrtec-d supply is down to a few days so I figured i'd be proactive and grab another box and save me a trip when this runs out in 5 days
17:23 <@Evilpig> I give the chick my license and i'm ready to sign my life away agreeing that i'm actually ingesting them and not making drugs when she says the register says "Not for sale" and gave me a receipt
17:23 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/aGZvd8q5n6uiUueW8
17:23 < PigBot> Evilpig: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
17:23 <@Evilpig> The receipt translates to this
17:24 <@Evilpig> In th elast 30 days I have bought allergy medicine twice.  each time is a 12 day supply so you can already see the math on this is shitty.  5.76 grams between the two of the dangerous controlled substance.  making each purchase roughly 2.6g per 12 days
17:26 <@Evilpig> according to TN state law I am only allowed to purchase 28.8g every 365 days.  so if we do the math, my box here lasts 12 days.  there are 30.5 sets of that in a year.  so a yearly supply with nothing extra should be roughly 75g  if I did the math right
17:27 <@Evilpig> so in TN I'm only allowed to live allergy free for 1/3 of the year...
17:31 < aestetix> penis
17:49 <@Catonic> vaaaagiiiiiinaaaaaaaa
17:51 <@Dagmar> I just buy the 30mg tablets
17:52 <@Dagmar> The cap is about 78mg a day
17:52 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Probably time to go get another prescription
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17:52 <@Evilpig> I'm going to but this is bullshit
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18:21 <@rattle> Evilpig: https://imgflip.com/i/10fx3e
18:21 < PigBot> Title: I am the one who knocks - Imgflip (at imgflip.com) http://tinyurl.com/zaobonv
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23:17 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: its cheaper to get a prescription of many OTC medications with vandy's insurance, I was told the acid reflux medicine was that way
23:17 <@RangerZ> (b/c working here gives you that by law)
23:18 <@RangerZ> pretty sure sudaphedrine is the same
23:18 <@RangerZ> also, are you combining sudaphed and chlorpheniramine?
23:19 <@RangerZ> because those used to a prescription that was better than either alone, until the patent wore out, and they don't even bother making anymore now
23:21 <@RangerZ> http://www.medicinenet.com/chlorpheniramine_pseudoephedrine/article.htm
23:21 < PigBot> Title: chlorpheniramine, pseudoephedrine, Deconamine (Discontinued): Drug Facts, Side Effects and Dosing (at www.medicinenet.com) http://tinyurl.com/brlttb6
23:21 <@RangerZ> [The antihistamine effects of chlorpheniramine account for its effect of reducing allergy symptoms. ]
23:22 <@RangerZ> and... here is the kicker... 100 pills is 3$
23:22 <@RangerZ> hehe
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