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01:34 <@RangerZ> http://www.shacknews.com/article/93547/oculus-palmer-luckey-will-consider-mac-support-if-apple-ever-releases-a-good-computer
01:34 <@RangerZ> hehe
01:43 <@Catonic> hoho
02:17 <@RangerZ> https://www.inverse.com/article/12418-how-the-a-i-behind-twitter-s-odd-deepdrumpf-is-making-donald-trump-great-again this is actually really sad...
02:17 <@RangerZ> because his tweets are actually funny
02:31 < aestetix> ok so
02:32 < aestetix> nobody good with networks?
02:32 < aestetix> this is killing me, and none of the guides seem to work
02:51 <@RangerZ> aestetix: umm?
02:52 <@RangerZ> I I'm not sure if you meant that for this channel
02:52 <@RangerZ> or if you missed sending a previous msg
02:54 < aestetix> RangerZ: I asked a question in here a while ago, nobody replied
02:57 <@RangerZ> aestetix: thats the thing, I don't see it in my logs
02:58 < aestetix> lol
02:58 <@RangerZ> ohh, i see it, you didn't actually ask your question
02:58 <@RangerZ> you just stated that you had one
03:00 < aestetix> the question relates to xen, guest machines, an external ip, and vif
03:00 < aestetix> basically, the issue is that I have a guest vm in xen, with an external ip address mapped to it. the guest can ping other guests within the vm environment, but it can't ping outside
03:01 < aestetix> ie google and whatnot
03:01 < aestetix> on the host, there is a bridge to the external ip device on the guest, and if I watch that bridge with tcpdump I can see traffic attempts
03:02 < aestetix> but the host won't forward those attempts appropriately
03:02 < aestetix> the other guests, that do NOT have external ips, are able to work properly
03:02 < aestetix> so it seems that the internal network interface on the guest works/routes fine, but the external network interface is broken
03:03 < aestetix> I'm assuming I'm missing an iptables rule or something, but everything *seems* to be fine
03:04 <@RangerZ> well I've just spent 3 hours rebuilding -every- thing I've done for making auto-grader assignments
03:05 <@RangerZ> because coursera's platform doesn't support docker 1.10+
03:05 <@RangerZ> so... I have no idea about your xen issue, and if I did normally, my brain would be so tired I wouldn't be able to right now anyways, lol
03:06 <@RangerZ> 6* hours
03:06 <@RangerZ> because I didn't realize the time... :/
03:06 < aestetix> well I'm glad I have this issue now
03:06 < aestetix> the issue I had before was that xen wouldn't fucking load at all
03:06 <@RangerZ> lol yeah
03:06 < aestetix> after two days of troubleshooting, it turned out that xen 4.4 was incompatible with the processor
03:07 < aestetix> which was fucking annoying, because I'd set things up, reboot the system, and it wouldn't come back. I assumed it was a networking issue
03:07 < aestetix> turned out that it got stuck in a cycle of perpetual reboots, which would explain why the system didn't log anything
03:07 <@RangerZ> silly question
03:07 <@RangerZ> can your -host- ping google?
03:07 < aestetix> yep
03:08 <@RangerZ> okay
03:08 < aestetix> and other guests on the system without the external ip can too
03:08 <@RangerZ> can you hit it from outside?
03:09 < aestetix> only the host
03:09 <@RangerZ> (and have you tried just nuking the ip tables rules?)
03:09 < aestetix> the whole point of setting up the external ip is to be able to ping the guest from outside
03:09 < aestetix> lol so many times
03:09 <@RangerZ> b/c yeah, it sounds like that is your issue
03:09 < aestetix> but the problem is, if you just nuke it all, you also nuke the forwarding/routing rules
03:10 <@RangerZ> true :/
03:11 <@RangerZ> you're not running into the same issue as (forget name right now) but your nic itself isn't set up...?
03:11 <@RangerZ> you shouldn't need promiscuous mode for that
03:12 < aestetix> that's the fun part
03:12 <@RangerZ> hmm...
03:12 < aestetix> if the nic wasn't working, then I wouldn't be able to see the traffic attempts on the host
03:12 <@RangerZ> possibly
03:12 <@RangerZ> does the machine only have 1 nic then?
03:12 < aestetix> two
03:13 <@RangerZ> is this a remote system?
03:13 <@RangerZ> *guessing so*
03:13 < aestetix> yes
03:14 <@RangerZ> because I could see some fucked up vlan or other nonse be what is cauing you problems
03:14 <@RangerZ> but its not likely to be that in a real env.
03:15 <@RangerZ> actually, does the 'other' nic work? you said the other vms are able to get 'out' just not the 'one' you have the IP pointed to?
03:15 <@RangerZ> this situation is really familiar to me, b/c we ran into the same thing at work at one point
03:16 <@RangerZ> when they were setting up a test server
03:16 <@RangerZ> but I can't seem to remember how it was fixed...
03:16  * RangerZ would have been there talking to the guy fixing it, so not the one who did it
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10:03 <@RangerZ> who would want to sleep in on sat. morning and NOT have to try and debug -someone else's platform- from only the frontend :/
10:04 <@RangerZ> apparently people think not me...
10:14 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: were you looking for something like this https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8582
10:15 <@RangerZ> or did you want one with a mic on it too?
10:47 <@RangerZ> http://time.com/4247432/china-tv-television-media-censorship/
11:26 < aestetix> I just watched the new ghostbusters trailer
11:26 < aestetix> my first response: really? dubstep?
11:28 <@RangerZ> every trailer is made the exact same way now
11:28 < aestetix> it also seems like they are trying to cast the women to imitate the men's roles
11:29 < aestetix> rather than just being themselves
11:29 < aestetix> also, the black chick is fucking annoying and unfunny
11:29 <@RangerZ> the black character is too streotypical
11:30 <@RangerZ> but Holtzman... ohh yeah...
11:30 < aestetix> holtzman?
11:30 <@RangerZ> the blonde's character name
11:30 < aestetix> oh
11:33 <@RangerZ> but honestly the black actor/role I didn't mind as much as the fat one being 'stupid'
11:33 <@RangerZ> I really don't care for her roles
11:34 <@RangerZ> and the black one wasn't 'bad' until the 2nd slap, that just made her seem loud+violent/etc.
11:34 <@RangerZ> Also, I think the ghosts are fine, a lot of people don't like that they are often neon... but that doesn't bother me much
11:34 < aestetix> I am biased. I have seen the black one in a few SNL skits, and she is awful there
11:35 <@RangerZ> I actually like the female cast idea
11:35 <@RangerZ> but... there is 'good' ways to do it, and 'bad' ways to do it
11:36 < aestetix> and this way is not good
11:36 <@RangerZ> they could have been the children of the former ghost busters
11:36 <@RangerZ> i mean... 30 years
11:36 <@RangerZ> thats an entire generation
11:37 <@RangerZ> it could have been a team selected by the former ghostbusters
11:37 < aestetix> No it couldn't. This is hollywood
11:37 < aestetix> It was selected for money
11:37 <@RangerZ> no, its shortsightedness
11:37 <@RangerZ> just Transformer-ness
11:38 < aestetix> ok wow
11:38 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDXpOX0Cp0&feature=youtu.be
11:38 < aestetix> this is way bteter of a trailer
11:38 <@RangerZ> Transformers 1 and even 2 possibly even 3 were 'alright'
11:38 <@RangerZ> but it jumped the shark
11:39 <@RangerZ> and now its just 'put everything in china, and target there'
11:40 <@RangerZ> wow... that -really- is much better
11:42 <@RangerZ> because honestly... the black lady slapping the mccarthy (I'm going to assume not joe's granddaughter, lol) just made the trailer bad
11:48 < aestetix> I just watched the original trailer too
11:48 < aestetix> which was also great
11:49 < aestetix> I am wondering if Hollywood is deliberately trying to make this movie suck
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11:55 <@RangerZ> weaver and murry are listed on IMDB
11:56 <@RangerZ> so I'm guessing the 'story' is that weaver died, so Murry turned on the ghost attractor to pull her back to him
12:04 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Just saw your tweets about Sony and that fan trailer.
12:05 < _NSAKEY> They're pretty clearly not taking it down. Instead, it looks like they just want the ad money from it.
12:05 <@RangerZ> but I think the fact that 'people are happier' when they know the story of a movie before going into it... is the really sad part
12:06 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Yeah, that's just stupid.
12:06 <@RangerZ> other than a few movies, such as crouching tiger & hidden dragon which basically tricked people into a 2hr love story in the middle of two fight scenes...
12:06 <@RangerZ> I'd rather NOT know everything about a movie before going in
12:06 <@RangerZ> I'm getting that way about video games and movies both lately
12:07 <@RangerZ> I never really realized how much it bothered me about movies, until I realized how much of deadpool was in the trailer
12:07 <@RangerZ> I'd rather see a super fast cut like the fan trailer instead of a 'here is everything' trailer
12:08 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Did they put all the good stuff in the trailers?
12:08 < aestetix> What is the point of a trailer?
12:08 <@RangerZ> not really, they put a lot, but the 'best' parts aren't in it, plus trailers  should be <1mi long
12:08 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: To generate hype, but for some movies they act as a cliff notes version of all the parts worth seeing.
12:09 < aestetix> So if it's to generate hype, why give it all away?
12:09 <@RangerZ> aestetix: because they have done studies
12:09 <@RangerZ> and even if people don't 'like' your movie, they are 'happy' with the time they spent if they saw what they were expecting
12:10 <@RangerZ> THAT is the root cause of these problems
12:10 <@RangerZ> look at Superman Vs Batman
12:10 < aestetix> RangerZ: I can't believe I"m gonna cite this.... but I'm sure Bush did all kinds of studies before he lost to Trump.
12:10 <@RangerZ> aestetix: nope
12:10 <@RangerZ> he hired "consultants"
12:11 <@RangerZ> poltical consultants aren't out to do anything but milk more money
12:11 <@RangerZ> and tell you to spend money on ads
12:11 < aestetix> and conduct studies
12:11 <@RangerZ> not nearly as often as you'd think
12:11 <@RangerZ> they do 'focus group's a lot
12:11 <@RangerZ> but that is just like 20 people
12:12 <@RangerZ> poling is actually -very- expensive to conduct
12:12 <@RangerZ> (properly)
12:14 < aestetix> hmm
12:14 < aestetix> #ghostlivesmatter
12:18 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: That sounds about like the idiotic studies the Mozilla Foundation did, in which they had people who actually admitted to liking ads.
12:18 < _NSAKEY> Those same studies have lead to Firefox becoming more and more bloated with shit nobody is ever going to use.
12:18 < _NSAKEY> e.g. Pocket.
12:20 < aestetix> Yeah I've moved entirely away from Mozilla.
12:23 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: I havent' used FF since chrome came out
12:23 <@RangerZ> other than to look up how to install chrome in that version of linux i'm on
12:23 <@RangerZ> lol
12:31 <@RangerZ> but aestetix I realized I never gave the 2nd part of what I wanted to say, is that "yes, bush did 'some' studies" but... I agree with where you were going, that the study was probably BS
12:31 < aestetix> then again I think most academics are bullshit ;)
12:32 <@RangerZ> and "R rated Super Hero movies can't make money" was a 'known fact' too, before deadpool
12:32 <@RangerZ> and obvious troll attempt is obvious
12:37 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: They probably feel the same way about you.
12:37 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: that's ok. Maybe someone will be inspired to write a 150 page thesis on the topic that nobody will read.
12:41 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: you'd enjoy this fight between joan walsh and https://twitter.com/cenkuygur
12:42 <@RangerZ> joan is basically saying that anyone who doesn't support clinton is a sexist 'bernie bro'
12:42 <@RangerZ> quite interesting to see how defensive older women are about clinton
12:43 <@klixa> RangerZ: im older and i hate clinton
12:43 < _NSAKEY> klixa: You aren't that old.
12:44 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: id still hate clinton...unless i had alzheimers
12:45 <@RangerZ> klixa: you aren't older
12:45 <@klixa> ok
12:45 <@klixa> well, even if i were "older" id not like her
12:46 <@RangerZ> younger women generally don't like her either
12:46 <@RangerZ> so you fall into 'that' category
12:46 <@RangerZ> lol
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13:45 < aestetix> ok wow
13:45 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/48wz52/uabrahamashley_fixed_the_ghostbusters_trailer/d0ndp7n
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13:55 <@RangerZ> mounting a power strip to the wall right above desk height is about the best idea I've ever had when it comes to ergonomics
14:02 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si-02lBpkxg
14:07 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: bring back the pigbot
14:25 <@RangerZ> https://freenode.net/
14:26 <@RangerZ> apparently they are making a new site
14:41 < aestetix> hahahahha
14:41 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/us/politics/marco-rubio-immigration-grandfather.html?_r=0
14:56 <@RangerZ> of course
14:56 <@RangerZ> its not like we should expect better from the GOP
14:56 <@RangerZ> the Dems aren't "much" better
14:57 <@RangerZ> but still
16:02 <@RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters_(franchise)#Reboot
16:02 <@RangerZ> so apparently the "30 years ago" from the trailer... has NOTHING to do with teh first 2 movies... :/
16:03 <@RangerZ> now I'm actually -more- worried
16:03 <@RangerZ> also it discusses the 'all male' ghostbusters too
16:19 <@RangerZ> [Man Taking Gun Selfie Accidentally Shoots Himself] haha
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18:10 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: give me a sec.  I went to start it the other night after the reboot but there was an environment variable that was wrong so it wasn't starting
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18:33 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krKgpHmjM6g
18:33 < PigBot> Title: Google, Amazon, and Netflix Know Their Most Important Product Is You - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/gqgy7sf
18:33 <@RangerZ> yays
18:58 <@RangerZ> if anyone wants to actually watch bernie's speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foh82ejS6v8
18:58 < PigBot> Title: The Young Turks - Live Election Coverage and Reaction - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zcnuzcs
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21:27 < aestetix> klixa: wanna play a game?
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