--- Log opened Fri Mar 04 00:00:57 2016
00:07 <@Dagmar> The damn PDF::Create module could really use some complete documentation
00:07 <@Dagmar> I'm still getting apparently blank freakin' PDFs
00:08 <@Dagmar> Lemme see if perldoc says something cpan doesn't
00:08 <@Dagmar> The PDF i'm getting is large enough it's clear it's embedding it in there, but without the correct params to actually make it visible
00:15 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: you think thats bad... fucking PHP has had that functionality forever... and still no one makes use of it properly
00:16 <@RangerZ> at least ... 8~9 years ago I had to take an out-of-date library and fix it to make it usable... to make nice PDFs for sales quotes
00:26 <@Dagmar> Oh hell
00:26 <@Dagmar> Now I see what's wrong
00:26 <@Dagmar> lol
00:26 <@Dagmar> This PDF shit assumes the image is 72dpi apparently
00:27 <@Dagmar> So... Lemme scale that fucker down
00:29 <@Dagmar> NOW we're getting somewhere
00:29 <@Dagmar> Well, that was the last "hard" ("annoying") problem for tonight
00:31 <@Dagmar> No QR code, but at least now I know what I have to do to make the shit visible
00:31 <@Dagmar> ...er no QR code on this test http://pn20.pwnz.org/testing.pdf
01:23 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Nobody really uses rainbow tables anymore.
01:24 < _NSAKEY> That being said, add salts if you have concerns.
01:25 < _NSAKEY> If someone grips this file you're talking about and decides to run it through hashcat, there's going to be some speed considerations.
01:26 < _NSAKEY> Single hash runs at full speed. Unsalted multiple hashes run at half speed, adding rules cuts the speed in half again. So, you're looking at roughly 1/4 of however many MH/s someone can muster.
01:26 < _NSAKEY> By contrast, if you use salting, you basically take the speed and divide by number of hashes.
01:28 < _NSAKEY> The UUID keyspace could also make things harder, since I don't imagine anyone's going to have a UUID of "changeme" or something similar.
01:29 < _NSAKEY> If your proposed UUIDs are say, 20 characters, I feel confident saying we can start issuing swirlies to anyone who bothers attacking those, just as they are.
01:34 < _NSAKEY> Fake Dagmar (probably) isn't rocking a cluster of multiple GTX 970s in servers, so as long as the UUID is reasonably long, you SHOULD be fine.
02:03 < aestetix> god this is funny
02:09 < _NSAKEY> You picked the debate, didn't you?
02:16 < aestetix> http://www.tedcruzbooger.com/
03:16 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Dude, a UUID is a 128-bit number.
03:18 <@Dagmar> So... think of it as a 35-character hexadecimal password if you like
03:18 <@Dagmar> Either way, what they ultimately have to guess is still a 128-bit number.
03:19 <@Dagmar> There isn't really any point I can see to breaking it up into multiple orders
03:21 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, that will be fine.
03:21 <@Dagmar> I kinda figured
03:22 <@Dagmar> Guess a number between 0 and 3.4e39
03:23 <@Dagmar> ...or reverse sha256sum.
03:23 < _NSAKEY> Just having 0-9 and a-f as possible characters is kind of a bummer, but that's still enough that if someone devotes time to owning it, I see no problem with giving them a few smacks with the bat.
03:24 <@Dagmar> No, they'd have to compromise the actual ticket file before it would matter
03:24 <@Dagmar> This at least lightly secures the ticket numbers against that
03:26 <@Dagmar> THe URL could just contain a number.  Zero-padded it's still a 39-digit number
03:26 < _NSAKEY> If you're using something like SHA-256, I'm going to go ahead and guess that they'll never crack it.
03:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah.
03:26 < _NSAKEY> The heat death of the universe should occur before then.
03:26 <@Dagmar> It would be easier by far to try and guess a random number and hope we don't take both nipples
03:26 < _NSAKEY> Hell, even with MD5, that still applies.
03:26 < _NSAKEY> Hahahaha.
03:27 <@Dagmar> I'm bringing vice grips
03:27 < _NSAKEY> I'm militantly against anything involving MD5 though, because it gives the impression that "Hey, this unacceptably fast garbage is ok to use sometimes," when we should not be promoting that kind of broken thinking, even accidentally.
03:27 <@Dagmar> Oh I don't really care much _which_ hash we're using
03:28 <@Dagmar> What I care about is the size of the digest
03:28 <@Dagmar> 128 bits folded almost irretreivably into 256 bits works for me
03:28 < _NSAKEY> I looked, just for laughs, at what 16^35 would be in terms of keyspace.
03:28 <@Dagmar> No that would be way too long lol
03:28 < _NSAKEY> Like, what is the name of the large number being used? Tredecillion is the answer.
03:28 <@Dagmar> 2^128
03:28 <@Dagmar> It's a 128-bit number
03:28 < _NSAKEY> Oh.
03:29 <@Dagmar> Should be _roughly_ the same answer tho
03:29 <@Dagmar> Double-fucking digit exponent-land
03:29 <@Dagmar> people would be better off spending $20 on pick 5 tickets
03:29 <@Dagmar> Better odds
03:29 < _NSAKEY> Yeah.
03:30 <@Dagmar> How large is IPv6 space again?
03:31 <@Dagmar> 128 bits.
03:31 < _NSAKEY> http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_IPv6AddressSizeandAddressSpace-2.htm
03:31 <@Dagmar> Yes, exactly.
03:32 < _NSAKEY> That actually puts it in undecillion territory, unless I'm too tired and misreading this.
03:32 <@Dagmar> 3.4e39
03:32 < _NSAKEY> Anyway, at this point it seems safe to say that the solution is over-engineered.
03:33 < _NSAKEY> So that's duodecillion, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_large_numbers
03:33 <@Dagmar> No, what I like is that this is actually _fucking simple_
03:33 < _NSAKEY> I mean the "You're not going to guess anything" aspect of it.
03:34 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah.  It's _wildly_ overpowered for something where people will have to walk up and have something hand-scanned or get bitch slapped for failing
03:35 <@Dagmar> If I can FIND my damn nfc tags...
03:35 <@Dagmar> I own a set of four of them, and I foolishly taped them to a piece of plain white card stock, and then folded that in half
03:36 < _NSAKEY> You should definitely do a talk about this at PN.
03:36 <@Dagmar> I will
03:36 <@Dagmar> This basically _solves a problem_
03:36 <@Dagmar> We still have the ability to _revoke_ tickets based on fraud this way, too
03:36 < _NSAKEY> Something like, "PhreakNIC Registration System: Or, Fuck Fake Dagmar With A Metal Rake."
03:37 <@Dagmar> "The Real Dagmar is not a long-haired hippie"
03:38 <@Dagmar> But if someone wants to come to a hacker con on bitcoin and keep everything utterly anonymous, this could facilitate that
03:40 < _NSAKEY> The biggest obstacle there would probably be doing BTC transactions in a way that doesn't make NoFault cringe.
03:40 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm not touching that for _us_
03:42 <@Dagmar> So far I'm only violating two RFCs.  :)
03:43 <@Dagmar> Abducting the ENTIRE DNS namespace on the network is probably another one
03:43 <@Dagmar> These interfaces use 169.254.0.0/16 (link-local) addresses
03:45 <@Dagmar> The only remaining vulnerability would be someone giving a URL that goes to some other website, so... THere should be as many reasons as possible for that traffic to NEVER, EVER ROUTE
03:45 <@Dagmar> I do not have time to write a fucking app, and I don't want to listen to the iPhone users whining
03:48 <@Dagmar> Someone who wanted to be really obsessive could get a bunch of Note 5's and remote admin lock them into the secured SSID
03:49 < _NSAKEY> There's no need for an app, really.
03:49 <@Dagmar> I can also think of a group of people who would _love_ to have this
03:49 <@Dagmar> ...and who I know have smartphones.
03:49 <@Dagmar> ...because some months back, a couple of dipshits exploited the registration system for one of Niantic's anomaly events
03:49 <@Dagmar> There were two tables for picking up the little loot envelopes with redeemable cards in them
03:49 <@Dagmar> They went to both tables
03:50 <@Dagmar> THey've already used QR code tickets for one event, this should be a no-brainer for them to use if I wave it in their faces
03:51 <@Dagmar> Hell, Ethan (the driver of the Niantic Van) would probably much rather use this method
03:51 <@Dagmar> Not even dragoncon has enough registration people to overwhelm a small Apache server running 150 lines of perl
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06:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:06 <@Shadow404>  Dagmar: damn, can you imagine snorting 150 lines of perl, that would be overwhelming...
07:07 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: morning numbnuts
07:07 <@Dolemite> I got mine snipped 6 years ago, of course they're numb
07:09 <@Shadow404> hehe, i remember u telling channel all about it
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08:49 < oddball> fucking comcrap
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08:49 < aestetix> Shadow404: are you snipped?
08:58 <@Mirage> aestetix: Hopefully you are.
08:58 < aestetix> Mirage: sure, but I have a few cups of magic juice in a freezer ready to go
08:58 < aestetix> maybe I will bring one of them to phreaknic
09:00 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3-LJMV1b6w
09:01 <@RangerZ> Sander's just posted this, and its a shame it took this long, but its a -really- powerful video
09:01 < aestetix> is it a trump attack ad?
09:02 <@klixa> aestetix: do you think you will stay in germany?
09:03 < aestetix> klixa: possibly, why?
09:04 < aestetix> klixa: I really like it here, and there are obvious reasons I don't want to live in the US right now
09:04 < aestetix> obvious -> trump
09:04 <@Mirage> Anyone have suggestions on good Wiki software that runs on Linux?   We're probably going to lose access to the company one we've been using for the past couple years and the alternative we've been given so far is sharepoint.
09:04 < aestetix> besides mediawiki?
09:04 <@klixa> aestetix: trump
09:04 <@klixa> lol
09:04 <@RangerZ> wikimedia
09:05 <@klixa> aestetix: ive always wanted to move to germany...if i were single i would definately... but my bf doesnt like change, and learning the language would be hard for him...plus he gets through life mostly on his charisma and i think it would be lost in translation
09:05 <@RangerZ> wow... the comments about ghostbusters are both funny and sad at the same time
09:20 < aestetix> klixa: has he ever left the US?
09:29 <@klixa> aestetix: no
09:47 <@RangerZ> holy shit... apparently there is an app store in windows 10
09:47 <@RangerZ> I -honestly- didn't realize it was 'built in'
09:47 <@RangerZ> I've never even seen it
09:56 <@Dagmar> Just wait until the fucking calculator begs you to review it
10:08 <@Dagmar> Sonofabitch
10:08 <@Dagmar> Adafruit got some Pi3's in and I missed them
10:09 <@oddball> They inserted an app store in Win8.
10:20 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFcO1FLXoNU
10:20 <@RangerZ> [Oculus Rift Will Support Macs When Apple Makes a 'Good Computer' - IGN News]
10:20 <@RangerZ> HAHAHA
10:31 <@Dagmar> So... Somehow the Deftones performing at the Ryman sold out in under 30 minutes
10:31 <@Dagmar> No, of course Ticketmaster isn't catering to douchebag scalpers
10:37 <@RangerZ> nope
10:37 <@RangerZ> not at all
10:37 <@RangerZ> or the 'ticket reselling site THEY OWN'
10:38 <@Evilpig> the only way to get decent tickets right now is to get in on the presales
10:38 <@Evilpig> period
10:38 <@RangerZ> "ohh look, we made our cut in the first sale, then we make a 2nd cut when scalpers resell the tickets
10:40 <@Dagmar> What I find shifty as fuck is that multiple sites seem to have the _exact_ same tickets available
10:41 <@RangerZ> easy, they the same DB of tickets
10:41 <@Evilpig> different front end, same backend
10:41 <@Evilpig> different prices too which is irritating as fuck
10:42 <@RangerZ> they are targetted at different demographics
10:42 <@RangerZ> easiet example of that is coke/pepsi prices, they are almost 50% more expensive (or used to be) in areas that are better off
10:42 <@RangerZ> actually nevermind
10:42 <@RangerZ> gas prices is a better example
11:00 <@sasquatc3> yea those owned scalping sites piss me off, tried to get tickets to some show one time, all sold out, but hey go check out our reseller site thats owned by us with prices 2-3x higher
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11:06 <@Dagmar> I was actually looking at Ticketmaster's site when they were supposed to go on sale
11:06 <@Dagmar> From my POV they didn't.
11:06 <@Dagmar> Ticketmaster should just get some balls and bind purchaser names to tickets
11:07 <@Dagmar> Of course, they're not going to do that until they're forced to by legislation
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11:20 <@Dagmar> What's the address for the meeting this evening?
11:39 <@sasquatc3> hah, the woman still doesnt believe me when I tell her showing up to a suit at an interview for a comp engr job is a bad idea, just asked HR and they said jeans are even fairly normal at interviews
11:55 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: 9 Lea Ave, Nashville, TN 37210
11:56 <@RangerZ> but FYI it is in the back of the building complex
12:01 <@Dagmar> SSL cert for pn20.pwnz.org obtained
12:08 <@dasunt> sasquatc3: Suit = recent graduate from Bob's Bait Supply & Technical College.
12:12 <@RangerZ> haha... there is a guy going to every version of the ghostbusters trailer and posting [On second thought, women would make great Ghostbusters. They're good at vacuuming and they are used to getting goo shot into their faces]
12:12 <@RangerZ> and despite it being from the 1950s... its the top rated comment... :/
12:14 <@Dagmar> It's funny
12:14 <@Dagmar> Amazingly, the SSL cert works
12:14 <@Dagmar> Now to get this fucker into the Pi and set up the bogus domain structures
12:38 < aestetix> ok, new networking question
12:38 < aestetix> got the xen machine up and running, I set up a guest machine inside. I assigned the guest machine one of the two available external network devices
12:39 < aestetix> from the guest machine I can ping any system inside the network fine, but I can't ping anything outside.... so I guess the internal device works, the external does not
12:39 < aestetix> any easy way to tell if this is an issue wiht the guest or the host machine?
12:40 < aestetix> kernel: [    0.792200] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
12:40 < aestetix> that might be an indication
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12:51 <@klixa> RangerZ: gas prcies are more in ghettos
12:52 <@klixa> so are cigarettes
12:54  * Shadow404 smokes a somewhat grassy smelling black and mild while filling up his lowrider 1967 chevy impala
13:06 <@Mirage> I guess, contrary to popular belief, Brentwood must've been a ghetto.  Just about everything is more expensive there.
13:07 <@klixa> must be
13:07 <@klixa> i dunno, like in LA... unless you were in Malibu or some really seedy area, stuff was normal priced
13:08 <@klixa> i woudlnt consider brentwood quite like a Malibu... but maybe its uppity enough to be expensive again...but in ghettos stuff is overpriced
13:08 <@Mirage> Normal priced for a lot of stuff in CA is 1.5x more than most of the rest of the country except the new england states
13:09 <@klixa> Mirage: i lived in Maine a few months ago, and it was actually cheap there...except rent... but fuel, food, etc. all cheap
13:10 <@klixa> stuff costing more in the ghetto is a phenomena i have noticed all over the country... and its in a lot of things... for instance, they have tons of over priced convenience stores, but not many grocery stores for example... cigarettes are more because everyone there smokes but often never leave the area for better deals, etc
13:11 <@klixa> not eveyrone*, many
13:12 < aestetix> klixa: come visit me in berlin
13:12 < aestetix> everyone smokes here
13:13 <@klixa> i dont smoke
13:13 <@klixa> cigarettes wre like $5 a pack in germany 20 years ago
13:13 < aestetix> btw, wie vielen sprichst du deutsch?
13:13 < aestetix> maybe it's wie viele :p
13:14 <@klixa> ich spreche ein bischen deutsche
13:14 < aestetix> nur ein bisschen?
13:14 <@klixa> ja
13:15 <@klixa> i used ot be bilingual but my father refused to speak to me in german after we came back
13:15 < aestetix> just watch hitler videos to learn
13:16 <@klixa> is that your method? :P
13:16 <@klixa> hes actually hard to learn to
13:18 <@Mirage> on a completely separate note..i finally got around to checking out the oscar winners.. how in the hell did "Mad Max" win a bunch and "The Martian" got nothing.
13:18 <@Mirage> That makes no sense to me...
13:19 <@klixa> aestetix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ake9ueyg9ibmhya/88.jpg?dl=0
13:19 <@klixa> aestetix: i went through a phase when i was 15...thats y little brothe ri dressed up and photographed
13:19 <@klixa> posisbly nsfw since you are in germany
13:28 <@RangerZ> Today Only | $20 OFF Orders of $100 or more w/ Promo Code 20MAR on monoprice
13:30 < aestetix> lol
13:30 <@RangerZ> got an emial, and thought it might interest someone in here
13:32 <@RangerZ> aestetix: did the last chancellor of Germany talk about how big their penis was?
13:33 <@RangerZ> cause we know Angela Merkel has talked about her long/thick one
13:51 <@klixa> trump talked abotu his penis last night
13:51 <@klixa> in the debate
13:51 <@klixa> he also talked about mit romney blowing him  hours before that.. so 2 references in one night
13:58 <@RangerZ> Make America/Germany great again (after the treaty of versailles...)
14:24 <@Dagmar> Damn I'm not going to have this working in time at this rate
14:24 <@Dagmar> Can't find my damn soldering pencil or EITHER of my netbooks
14:25 <@Dagmar> ...and there's a good chance I'll need to stop at New Balance in Green Hills so I can pick up my new shoes if they're in
14:28 <@Dagmar> Ah well... Corydon will have to code one bitty piece of it so I need to interview him as to how he prefers to pass arguments anyway
14:32 <@RangerZ> you only have 2 options
14:32 <@RangerZ> get or post
14:33 <@RangerZ> unless you weaponize get ;)
14:38 <@RangerZ> https://www.monoprice.com/category?c_id=105&cp_id=10521&cs_id=1052103&sort=Price_i%20asc
14:38 <@RangerZ> any comments about potential print servers?
14:38 <@RangerZ> (doesn't have to be from there, Just I have a laser printer, and my mom has her printer, and I want to set them both up on the network when she is down here.
14:39 <@RangerZ> )*
14:43 <@Mirage> depends on what printers they are and the communication requirements
14:45 <@Mirage> if all you want to do is print, then pretty much any print server device should work, but if you need to interface with a scanner/fax type then you need to get one that supports bi-directional channels
14:50 < aestetix> man there is a lot of nazi porn
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14:52 <@Dagmar> Hell, you could buy the printer I have
14:53 <@Dagmar> It works over the network, too
14:53 <@Dagmar> Epson WF-3620.
14:53 <@Dagmar> Since the ink isn't exactly cheap, they make up for it by throwing every feature under the sun (including wireless printing) into them now
14:55 <@Shadow404> love my xp-410, remote printing from email, google cloud or printer que on phone
15:01 <@RangerZ> yeah, I just don't trust my printing to cloud based shit
15:02 <@RangerZ> I have a samsung c310, and I've head it for years
15:02 <@RangerZ> and only last year needed to change the black toner, which I got a spare with it when I bought it
15:02 <@RangerZ> I didn't have the money for the 60$ or w/e for wireless printing at the time
15:03 <@RangerZ> nor did I really need it, but now I just want the printer over in the corner away from my PC
15:03 <@Mirage> My HP Laserjet 4+ has served me well over the years
15:08 <@RangerZ> protip: tell the facilities management that there is 'mold' in your bathroom because of a leak
15:09 <@RangerZ> they will come out and fix the damaged wall the next day
15:09 <@RangerZ> (neighbor upstairs had a leak in their shower)
15:10 <@RangerZ> and by 'mold' I mean "mildew, that is growing on the ceiling now... hehe (I just haven't wanted to clean it because its where the leak is, and I don't want blamed for that
15:14 <@Shadow404> wireless is nice when u can place it anywhere like during home improvement crap
15:15 <@Shadow404> and one less cord
15:17 <@RangerZ> yeah, I didn't really think about that at the time, nor really have the funds to support it
15:17 <@RangerZ> and unfortunately it isn't a "module" you can just buy for my printer
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15:25 <@RangerZ> and at this point... if I were to buy a new printer... it would be one of the monster ones that does auto-dual sided printing and stapling, etc.
15:29 <@Shadow404> why?
15:29 <@Mirage> A lot of the smaller ones support duplexing out of the box and have optional staplers that can be added
15:34 <@RangerZ> yeah I see that, I haven't looked into printers... well since I bought this one
15:34 <@RangerZ> Shadow404: because the 2 things I generally print are 1) academic artciles/etc. and those I want duplex w/ staple
15:35 <@RangerZ> and 2) quizes for one of Doug's classes because I'm too cheap & lazy to go print from the school's printers which I have to pay for
15:35 <@RangerZ> the lazy part is me not going to ISIS to print for free
15:35 <@RangerZ> lol
15:37 <@Mirage> don't forget 4) damn ND&E and Partner support for finally realizing a few years ago that any jackass in the world could print to any of the IPP capable printers on the VU network since they all had routable IPs
15:37 <@RangerZ> but yeah I guess stapler isn't that big of a deal anymore
15:37 <@RangerZ> Mirage: yeah, YSU is still that way
15:37 <@RangerZ> but you have to be on campus, and within the same geo-zone
15:37 <@RangerZ> so its not TOO bad
15:38 <@RangerZ> but I got around the 0.10$ per page billing that way
15:38 <@Mirage> Yeah, VU wasn't restricted because noone had realized until it started being abused
15:39 <@RangerZ> AFAIK the printers still work without the billing if you go to them, and have them print their 'config' sheet, and get the IP
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15:39 <@RangerZ> but you have to be on the local network (I'm still talking about YSU)
15:40 <@RangerZ> I haven't really bothered with Vandy, since at isis I can print as much as I want for free
15:40 <@Mirage> Eric Hall still there?
15:41  * Mirage thinks that was the name
15:41 <@RangerZ> yeah
15:41 <@RangerZ> it is
15:42 <@RangerZ> yeah, he's still there
15:42 <@RangerZ> he does nothing but complain about all the a-holes who work over at the hill center
15:42 <@RangerZ> (not really ;) )
15:43 <@RangerZ> also... has anyone looked into laptops lately... its such a 'wtf are you people thinking' situation
15:44 <@RangerZ> omg no one would want a 0.75 or 1.0 inch thick laptop that was solidly built, had good specs, and didn't have crap keyboard/touchpad or heat up like a MFer
15:45 <@RangerZ> its like phones... its like wtf... I bought a 5 year old laptop, b/c it was 170$ (but... also) because it had a dedicated GPU, and is solid and what not (exact model as my work laptop so that power cords + batteries are swappable, lol)
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16:02 <@Dagmar> Hmm... it seems I have accidentally capitalized 'Failure'
16:02 <@Dagmar> I'm leaving it.
16:06 <@Mirage> RangerZ: last time I decided to look at the Dell Outlet (which is where I normally buy my laptops), I was unimpressed by the selection and the prices.  I wan't looking too seriously, though.  My Latitude E6500 series still works just fine for my needs.
16:12 < aestetix> penis
16:14 <@RangerZ> yeah, like I said, I bought one like my work laptop, HP elitebook 8460p, which is heavy, over 1.0 in. thick and only 14" 768p screen, but for 170$ I was like... sure...
16:14 <@RangerZ> plus I know it runs well enough for me
16:26 <@RangerZ> and... I realized suddenly... ohh shit... I don't own a laptop of my own... I have just been using my work laptop
16:26 <@RangerZ> and -that- needed resolved
16:35 <@sasquatc4> omg i hate people that dont know when to shutup, one of the coworkers in the group of my friends that have been looking for jobs had a talk with the head of software today, apparently they were suspicous of us hanging out in the breakroom or some shit and assumed we were looking for jobs
16:35 <@sasquatc4> so he had a discussion with him, just about where the company was headed, but then said there were some unhappy people, which he could have left it at that, but then he named fuckin names
16:35 <@sasquatc4> like you just dont do that shit
16:36 <@sasquatc4> not that the management is going to do anything about it, i just hate having a spotlight on me unless i asked for it, now its just going to be assumed any time i take time off its for an interview
16:51 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: your only 2 options both involve you talking to mang. now
16:52 <@RangerZ> 1) go in and tell them that you heard that he was running his mouth
16:52 <@RangerZ> 1.a) tell them that he was wrong, and that you are happy
16:52 <@RangerZ> 1.b) tell them tha he was right, and that you aren't happy
16:52 <@RangerZ> 2) ignore it and look for another job
16:52 <@RangerZ> lol
17:02 <@sasquatc4> well i prefer 2, since im doing that anyway, but apparently one of the directors is going to talk to me on monday, he already talked to another coworker
17:03 <@sasquatc4> just spewed some lovey dovey BS of course
17:17 <@RangerZ> actually
17:19 <@RangerZ> in that case, you should just tell them that you weren't going to voice your concerns about advancement opportunities, but if they are willing to see you get a 30% raise, then you would consider their commitment to you
17:19 <@RangerZ> hehe
17:21 <@sasquatc4> hah, well if i did that I dont have anything to back it up with. Even if they gave me 30% i wouldnt take it since i could still get better elsewhere. Plus i dont have much faith in the company anymore, they probably only have 5-10 of real life left
17:22 <@sasquatc4> but maybe when we talk ill throw in salary as part of the issue, so if i do happen to be stuck there maybe they will be inclined to give me more while i still look
17:24 <@RangerZ> you should thown in 'career advancement'
17:24 <@RangerZ> perhaps you can get the mang's job
17:24 <@RangerZ> hehe
17:25 <@sasquatc4> yea, i wouldnt want that shit, thats part of why im leaving, the directors have turned our managers jobs in to hell
17:25 <@RangerZ> (when a director has to come down and solve things, the mang. isn't in 'great' situation)
17:25 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: and?
17:25 <@RangerZ> take it for a few months while you look for something else
17:25 <@RangerZ> "show mang. exp. and higher previous pay"
17:26 <@RangerZ> lol
17:26 <@sasquatc4> hah, i guess, but really my issue isnt with my managers, those guys are great, its the director level and one above them thats destroying everything
17:33 <@RangerZ> oh hell
17:33 <@RangerZ> meeting soon
17:33 <@RangerZ> :/
17:34 <@RangerZ> someone go steal the Tesla teleportation device that the gov't tested in Philly back in the day on that warship, and teleport me (please not into the wall, I don't want to die (or even worse live) that way)
18:04 < aestetix> .....
18:05 < aestetix> apparently Rupert Murdoch got married
18:05 < aestetix> I guess an 84 year old can still get it up
18:06 <@RangerZ> the woman wouldn't care
18:06 <@RangerZ> marry him for what... 10 years?
18:07 <@RangerZ> and then be a ... at least millionaire
18:07 <@RangerZ> half of this room would do that
18:07 <@RangerZ> and would want him to be micro-penis like Trump who can't get it up anymore
18:08 < aestetix> I wonder if he can still ejaculate
18:08 < aestetix> klixa: would you fuck an 84 year old to get his money?
18:11 < aestetix> ok Evilpig around? I have a networking question
18:54 <@Evilpig> Mirage: Batteries.Not.Included.1987   interested?
18:56 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: you coming to emmas?
18:56 <@RangerZ> its really bad when even Dagmar shows up to something and you aren't here
18:57 <@Evilpig> no
18:57 <@Evilpig> I left work early and didn't hit up the corner pub, so i'm not coming downtown for that nonsense 
19:01 <@RangerZ> ahh
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21:13 <@klixa> aestetix: depends on how much money and how many times
21:16 <@Catonic> ugh, when you find someone else's mail configuration hosed and you have to figure out the issue and then find another ... just to notify them.
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