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00:24 < aestetix> so
00:24 < aestetix> how much does a cup of coffee cost at a cafe in nashville?
00:25 < aestetix> or say an espresso
00:48 <@Dagmar> The large cup of drip-brewed coffee I usually get at Bongo is $2.81 after taxes
00:49 <@Dagmar> I've no idea what an actual espresso costs although it's a bit more
00:59 < aestetix> In berlin it's usually a euro
01:00 < aestetix> And in SF it is often like $5
01:34 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQeOYi3Be5Y
01:34 < PigBot`> Title: Microsoft HoloLens: Young Conker - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/z2du976
01:35 <@RangerZ> Conker's bad fur day 2
01:35 <@RangerZ> in AR
01:35 <@RangerZ> 3* ?
01:49 <@RangerZ> 5* apparently... but it looks like a tech demo and not a 'game'
03:33 < aestetix> president trump
04:04 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you might want to check, you might be able to still vote absentee in cali
05:02 <@RangerZ> that way you can vote for a facist in the US before you end up voting for one in .DE
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06:04 < k3ymkr> Wow, so I didn't realize debian openssl had removed ssl2 client support.   Going to make looking for the drowned harder.
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06:44 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:01  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:11 < aestetix> hi klixa
08:15 <@klixa> hi aestetix
08:16 < aestetix> wie gehts?
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08:28 <@klixa> es schneit
08:29 < aestetix> wo?
08:32 <@klixa> columbus, oh
08:32 < aestetix> liebst du die schneitballs?
08:33 <@klixa> ja... but thats not actaully the right word
08:34 <@klixa> Schneebälle
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09:19 <@Mirage> Apparently having hung out with all the se2600 members over the years as warped my sense of what should constitute the knowledge of an L3/engineer type linux role.
09:19 <@Mirage> I expecte entirely too much
09:24 <@Dolemite> Mirage: You mean, you expected someone that, if they didn't know the answer to something, would actually research it until they found an answer?
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09:25 < aestetix> Mirage: Is L3 high or low?
09:26 <@Mirage> aestetix: high
09:26 < aestetix> what is an example of what someone did not know?
09:27 <@Mirage> Well, in this instance I would think that shey should understand how to use sudoers.d includes versus editing the sudoers file
09:28 <@Mirage> Also knows essentially jack shit about PAM
09:28 < aestetix> That is L3?
09:29 <@Mirage> Example from yesterday, a customer uses Centrify for their AD integration.   After patching Centrify stopped working and was throwing dependency errors for libkrb*.so files, libcrypto*.so, etc
09:29 < aestetix> please say "ldd to the rescue!"
09:31 <@Mirage> They looked up docs on the errors from IBM's site, did look to see and noticed that all the symlinks under /usr/lib were there, but the ones under /usr/lib64 were not.
09:31 <@Mirage> At that point they were hung and confused..
09:31 < aestetix> lol
09:31 <@Mirage> So I told them, like you  suggest, see what it's supposed to be linked against and create the missing symlinks
09:31 <@Mirage> Which still confused them...
09:33 <@Mirage> I guess the fact that I know how to do that is what makes me an "Architect".
09:33 <@Mirage> So sad..
09:33 < aestetix> Do they know the difference between dynamic and static linking?
09:34 <@Mirage> aestetix: hey now, baby steps
09:34 <@Mirage> We don't want to scare them...
09:34 < aestetix> s/we/you/
09:36 <@Mirage> So, am I expecting too much to think that someone who is an L3 "Senior Admin" should know this off the top of their head..or at least know enough to be able to google it?
09:37 < aestetix> wtf does an L1 admin know?
09:37 <@Dolemite> No, that's not expecting too much
09:37 <@Dolemite> L1 = follows explicitly written procedures
09:37 <@Dolemite> L2 = L1 + Experience
09:38 <@Dolemite> L3 = L2 + Initiative to Find Solutions and Create L1 procedures
09:38 <@Mirage> aestetix: how to answer the phone, look at a screen, create tickets, escalate to on-call, basic troubleshooting you'd learn in a Linux+/A+ type class
09:38 < aestetix> So L1 knows apt-get update, L2 knows apt-get install, L2 knows /etc/apt/sources.list?
09:38 < aestetix> er, L3
09:39 <@Mirage> That's not what I'd expect, but sadly seems to be closer to the reality
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09:40 < aestetix> So is L4 kernel modules?
09:40 < aestetix> What is taught in Linux+?
09:41 <@Mirage> I don't think anyone in a corporate enterprise environment deals with custom kernels or KLM's anymore
09:41 <@Mirage> aestetix: google it..
09:41 <@Evilpig> aestetix: L1 can read a doc that tells them to run apt-get update then run apt-get install x
09:44 < aestetix> wow Linux+ is really, really, really basic
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09:44 <@Evilpig> so is a+ and network+
09:48 <@Mirage> So..has anyone else been bored and curious enough to watch the first episode of "Fuller House" on Netflix?
09:48 < aestetix> no
09:50 <@Mirage> If you ever watched the old series, the first episode of this new one does a good bit of poking fun of the old one and has all the old people in it except the Olsen twins..who are mentioned in a round-about way.
09:54 <@Dolemite> Everybody remember to listen to Dark Side of the Moon at high volume in your offices, today.  It's the 43rd anniversary of it's release today.
09:54 <@Dolemite> s/it's/its
09:55 <@Dolemite> optional - play The Wizard of Oz on mute while listening
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09:59 <@Evilpig> Mirage: it's pretty bad
10:00 <@Evilpig> it's like they were just looking for a way to cram in all the old sayings rapidly
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10:33 < aestetix> I am slowly getting fat :/
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10:43 < _NSAKEY> Mirage: After reading what you said in this channel earlier, I'm thinking I should apply for some better positions.
10:43 < _NSAKEY> That's just sorry.
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11:28 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: i was offered a head position at geek squad when I worked at suncoast and geek squad was starting up, the DM came in and I happened to talk to him about my HS programming class and the only thing he wanted was an A+ cert. to meet the min. reqs.
11:28 <@RangerZ> A+ and network+ are 'not' entirely useless (when you have nothing else)
11:28 <@RangerZ> same with coursera/edX certs.
11:29 <@RangerZ> they at least show that you are putting in effort. And have self-motivation
11:30 <@RangerZ> self-motivation alone puts you ahead of the 47% of Americans who would never vote for a Democrat... Ohh I'm sorry... my inverse-romeny-isms slipped through
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11:30 <@RangerZ> hehe
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12:13 < aestetix> wow
12:13 < aestetix> the daily show sucks now
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12:24 < oddball> pretty much
12:24 < aestetix> I just tried to watch a 7 minute segment and turned it off 5 minutes in
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12:29 <@oddball> vid clips keep popping up in my Facebook feed.  I would assume that these are considered "the best" of the bunch.  I've tried to watch a few, and... yeah.
12:29 <@oddball> I also tried watching the first episode with the new host.  Didn't get much past that 7 minute mark before I had to turn it off.
12:31 < aestetix> It's a bit like watching public access television.
12:31 <@oddball> heh
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12:38 <@oddball> And I remember reading somewhere that the general concensus has been "this sucks," and the ratings has plumeted.
12:40 < _NSAKEY> Speaking of people from the Daily Show, did Colbert start being funny again?
12:41 < aestetix> It almost feels like they should put the show out of its misery
12:43 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: I haven't really watched his new show, but I've heard good things.
12:44 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I thought it was funny until he had Trump on, and then he didn't attack him.
12:44 < _NSAKEY> Haven't watched it since.
12:48 <@oddball> Well, maybe because he's a decent guy and doesn't think it's right to invite folks on and ambush them?  Granted... this is Trump we're talking about, but...
12:49 <@oddball> After all, he managed not to leap over the table and strangle Asange, even when you could tell he *really* wanted to.
12:50 <@Dagmar> Giving people like Trump an easy PR appearance instead of skinning them alive for their lies and mendacity is one of the things the former host stood firmly against, remember?
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12:50 < _NSAKEY> oddball: He made fun of Trump in the episode beforehand pretty badly.
12:51 < _NSAKEY> Like, the next day he had him on and was practically ready to bow before him.
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13:02 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: colbert has already done something like 30% better than letterman was doing, but he is "losing" in ratings, b/c the other two late night shows have a TON of audience now
13:03 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: he isn't a journalist, HIM throwing 'softball' questions directly to someone is and should be fine
13:03 <@RangerZ> problem is... we have to let our comedians and random shows actually act like -journalists- because news has become so corprate
13:05 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: It's not about Colbert posing as a journalist. That doesn't matter.
13:05 < _NSAKEY> He had Trump on and handled him with kid gloves, but had been making fun of him all week beforehand.
13:05 <@RangerZ> and?
13:05 <@RangerZ> thats my point, thats the game you have to play
13:05 < _NSAKEY> If he had made fun of Trump to his face and ignited a shitstorm of controversy, I would have kept watching.
13:06 < _NSAKEY> I mean, he somehow got to speak at a press correspondent's dinner one year and ripped on Bush really hard while he was no more than 3 seats away.
13:06 <@RangerZ> unfortunately with 2^128 channels on cable now... if you do that you won't get interviews in the future
13:06 < _NSAKEY> That's true, but it's still weakness as far as I'm concerned.
13:06 < aestetix> s/cable/youtube/
13:06 < _NSAKEY> Colbert put the lulz on the back burner.
13:09 <@Mirage> In the case of trump it's probably also entirely possible that there was risk to losing his show/job and never working in the industry again (for anything national anyway)
13:12 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xFbrGgLnY so this could be great/or not... but we'll see
13:12 < PigBot`> Title: Big Hero 6 Animated Series Announced - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zqmbudl
13:18 < _NSAKEY> ... Or ending up in a camp somewhere when Trump wins.
13:22 <@Dagmar> I know you're being sarcastic but the things he's said give me the impression that's a _real_ possibility
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13:36 <@RangerZ> nah, he's a rich white guy
13:37 <@RangerZ> us poor bastards, even being white, we have to look out
13:37 <@RangerZ> god help anyone who isn't white, and can at least pretend to be christian
13:37 <@RangerZ> OR... trump will be a great president, b/c he will just throw the republicans under the bus and tell them "you shouldn't have believed me, that is your own fault"
13:38 <@RangerZ> its a 50%/50% gamble
13:38 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I'm kind of hoping for the latter. That would be way funnier.
13:38 <@RangerZ> trump won't win b/c of sanders (thankfully)
13:39 <@RangerZ> if it wasn't for sanders, then clinton would be tacking farther and farther right, but he's forcing her to actually at least talk in terms of populism
13:39 <@RangerZ> and he raised 40million dollars in feb.
13:39 < aestetix> you know
13:39 < aestetix> I'm not white. I'm Irish.
13:40 <@RangerZ> so he's going to make this a LONG race, no matter what Clinton and her Shillaries want
13:40 < aestetix> calling me white is an insult to my ancestors
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13:40 <@Dagmar> ...and Comcast has a complete outage in teh middle of the day.  Cool.
13:41 <@RangerZ> it could be worse
13:41 <@RangerZ> we could live in a town without google fiber coming in
13:41 <@Dagmar> This is true
13:41 <@RangerZ> THEN they wouldn't even have to pretend to give two shits
13:41 <@Dagmar> Audra lives in Goodlettesville
13:41 <@Dagmar> You've no idea how conflicted this makes me
13:42 <@Dagmar> It'll be an additional year before they rollout there
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14:19 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZddffWpl2U
14:19 < PigBot`> Title: Apple was never principled, but they must win this - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hrlz989
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14:36 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You mean Downfall?
14:41 <@Evilpig> looks like my connect reset?
14:45 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: You pined out about 20 minutes ago.
14:46 < aestetix> interesting
14:46 < aestetix> http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/melissa-harris-perry-the-host-who-cried-racism-15356
14:46 < PigBot> Title: Melissa Harris-Perry: The Host Who Cried Racism | The National Interest Blog (at nationalinterest.org) http://tinyurl.com/z26wg3w
14:51 < _NSAKEY> *pinged
14:54 <@dasunt> Ah Amazon, order on Saturday, ships next Wednesday.
14:55 <@dasunt> I hope their execs know that purposely delaying shipping in order to encourage people to pay more for prime or one of the other shipping options only works if they don't have a strong competitor.
14:58 <@dasunt> Even in the absence of a strong competitor, it's teaching me to associate Amazon with slow shipping.
15:00 <@RangerZ> dasunt: jet.com
15:00 <@RangerZ> its a amazon competitor, prices are <10% more expensive
15:00 <@RangerZ> so.... :/
15:03 < aestetix> wow
15:03 < aestetix> https://www.getcleanly.com/
15:03 < PigBot> Title: Cleanly - On-Demand Laundry & Dry-Cleaning Delivery App NYC (at www.getcleanly.com) http://tinyurl.com/zvthe6q
15:03 < aestetix> Those prices add up.
15:03 < aestetix> And how fucking hard is it to just drop your laundry off at the wash and fold?
15:05 <@dasunt> Some people don't like laundry.
15:05 < aestetix> s/don't like/can afford to pay someone else to handle their/
15:09 < aestetix> oh wow
15:09 < aestetix> http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism
15:09 < PigBot> Title: The rise of American authoritarianism - Vox (at www.vox.com) http://tinyurl.com/zd3omo5
15:09 < aestetix> Donald Turmp is basically staging a new southern strategy
15:12 <@Evilpig> dasunt: let's have a chat about slow shiping
15:13 <@Evilpig> give me a second to get a visual aid
15:13 <@Evilpig> Exhibit A:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/tbi152v35rak07h/Screenshot%202016-03-02%2015.13.21.png?dl=0
15:13 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-03-02 15.13.21.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5jn2ho
15:13 <@Evilpig> and Exhibit B: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cbf0dyud81sy3kw/Screenshot%202016-03-02%2015.13.40.png?dl=0
15:13 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-03-02 15.13.40.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/zqenpjg
15:14 < _NSAKEY> That's what you get for ordering from China, Evilpig.
15:14 <@Evilpig> they waited a month to even ship it.  damnit
15:15 <@Evilpig> if I could have found a us seller I would have.  but cheap glass comes from china
15:44 <@dasunt> Nice price on that touchscreen.
15:57 <@klixa> yeah i need a new screen for an LG gpad...tho, i can get a refurbished tablet for $10 more than just the screen
15:57 <@RangerZ> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/137844/20160302/slack-announces-plan-to-test-voice-and-video-chat-skype-and-google-hangouts-in-the-crosshairs.htm
15:57 < PigBot> Title: Slack Announces Plan To Test Voice And Video Chat: Skype And Google Hangouts In The Crosshairs? : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times (at www.techtimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/jp95uj2
15:57 <@RangerZ> interesting
15:57 <@klixa> $40 screen vs $50 refurbed tablet
16:53 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKcaK2Iydb8
16:53 < PigBot> Title: Valve Are Changing Steam Bundle Pricing... For The Better! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ztt2zlo
16:53 <@RangerZ> so if you own games in a 'bundle' then you will get a dynamic price on the bundle
17:22 <@dasunt> FFS.  I'm dealing with my problem user's Office macro settings, and her mouse dies after a reboot.
17:24 <@dasunt> Everytime I mess with her computer, I inch closer and close to the belief that the only possible technological fix for her is a pentacle drawn in goat's blood on the floor and black candals.
17:27 <@dasunt> I'm sure that'll create one hell of an HR meeting afterwards, but sometimes you have to appeal to a higher power.
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18:52 <@Evilpig> damnit.  put in the replacement drive and the server just shut off
18:52 <@Evilpig> surprise motherfucker!
18:52 <@Evilpig> and now i'm off to the show
18:59 < _NSAKEY> #BOFH
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19:14 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: reboot?
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19:19 <@sasquatc3> gotta love usin my company safari account to read programming interviews exposed
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22:22 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: https://github.com/lachesis/scallion
22:22 < _NSAKEY> Look for the section about gpg keys there.
22:23 < _NSAKEY> Maybe that's something you want to delve into further.
22:28 < _NSAKEY> Nevermind, these keys are entirely too small to be useful for you.
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