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02:30 <@RangerZ> Wow.. this is impressive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=800g7D17jho
02:30 < PigBot> Title: Melissa Harris-Perry Walks Off Of MSNBC - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zjsqj52
04:01 <@RangerZ> http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/birmingham-raises-minimum-wage-and-alabama-takes-it-away
04:01 < PigBot> Title: Birmingham raises minimum wage and Alabama takes it away | MSNBC (at www.msnbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/goh75pn
04:02 <@RangerZ> glad to see that Alamba believes in 'local/small government' allowing local cities and counties to set their own rules.... ohh wait... who am I kidding...
04:29 < aestetix> lol
04:29 < aestetix> I think Alabama believes in anything that will not support the blacks.
04:44 < aestetix> apparently the debate made Trump's poll numbrs go up
04:54 <@RangerZ> not yet
04:55 <@RangerZ> you need 3 day at least to know the impact of a debate
04:55 <@RangerZ> really a week to 10 days for the narrative to get out there... but the problem is...
04:55 <@RangerZ> you have 3 debates in that time... and 1035 yells on stage
05:04 < aestetix> god
05:04 < aestetix> Trump is more and more like Hitler
05:45 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Maybe we'll get lucky and the next republican debate will turn into an episode of Celebrity Death Match.
05:51 < aestetix> god damnit
05:52 < aestetix> it is fucking impossible to find documentation on HKP
06:13 < _NSAKEY> https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=Ti%2FYleaJNSl%2BTR5mL5C0WQ%3D%3D&fcc_id=2ABCB-RPI32
06:13 < PigBot> Title: OET List Exhibits Report (at apps.fcc.gov) http://tinyurl.com/zole9gf
06:13 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: RangerZ You want that.
06:13 < _NSAKEY> It's FFC-related stuff on the upcoming pi.
06:16 <@RangerZ> 2462 Mhz
06:17 <@RangerZ> thats right in a 'special range'
06:21 <@RangerZ> but honestly, just that it has a radio in and of itself isn't that special, I'm just curious 'where on the fucking board it is'
06:22 <@RangerZ> and the other specs
06:22 <@RangerZ> like will it have vulkan 1.0 support from broadcom? (not likely, but 'could be')
07:02 < aestetix> I just discovered an awesome website
07:02 < aestetix> vimgolf.com
07:08 <@RangerZ> http://vim-adventures.com/
07:08 < PigBot> Title: VIM Adventures (at vim-adventures.com) http://tinyurl.com/cqqytl7
07:08 <@RangerZ> there is one better
07:09 < aestetix> I've already gone through that entire game :)
07:16 <@RangerZ> wow... fuck that hjkl motion
07:16 <@RangerZ> WASD or GTFO
07:17 < aestetix> actually the hjkl makes a lot of sense when you get used to it
07:17 <@brimstone> no it doesn't
07:18 < aestetix> especially since it also works with less, mutt, and a bunch of other things
07:18 <@brimstone> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys/
07:18 < PigBot> Title: Here is why vim uses the hjkl keys as arrow keys - good coders code, great coders reuse (at www.catonmat.net) http://tinyurl.com/7425ys3
07:18 < aestetix> is it a link to the old terminal keyboard?
07:18 <@brimstone> yes
07:19 <@RangerZ> just because it uses something that is 'common' doesn't make it 'good'
07:19 <@RangerZ> SMTP 'commonly' uses no encryption
07:20 <@RangerZ> Taco Bell 'commonly' uses grade F beef
07:20 < _NSAKEY> There's nothing "good" about vim.
07:20 < aestetix> RangerZ: I have found that the keys are very useful for some things.
07:20 <@RangerZ> and aestetix 'commonly' denies the holocaust
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07:20 < _NSAKEY> It's neckbeard bullshit, and I think traveling back in time to kill baby vim devs is up there with traveling back in time to kill baby Hitler.
07:20 <@RangerZ> doesn't mean any of them are good
07:20 < aestetix> For example, the arrow keys on a keyboard I find fucking annoying, and they are easy to fat finger
07:21 < aestetix> Whereas the vim keys are right on the home row
07:21 < aestetix> I mean nothing is stopping you from remapping them
07:21 <@RangerZ> or telling people to use real IDEs
07:21 < _NSAKEY> Ok, nevermind. Bill Joy wrote vi.
07:21 <@RangerZ> yeah, can't kill him
07:22 < _NSAKEY> I can't travel back in time and kill baby Bill Joy.
07:22 < _NSAKEY> But vi(m) is still neckbeard bullshit.
07:22 <@RangerZ> vi was a great tool back in the day, before there were GUIs
07:22 < aestetix> RangerZ: imho, if you need a mouse for a text editor, you're doing it wrong
07:22 <@RangerZ> now it is just the hipster tool to use
07:22 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: How do you fuck up using the arrow keys? Do you also struggle with the hand-eye coordination involved with tying shoes?
07:22 < aestetix> no, the hipster tool to use is sublime
07:23 <@RangerZ> fine then, vim is the millenial tool
07:23 <@brimstone> pycharm
07:23 <@RangerZ> We'll find a term that he hates sooner or later
07:23 <@RangerZ> lol
07:23 < aestetix> what is pycharm?
07:23 <@brimstone> or atom now?
07:23 < aestetix> or atom yeah
07:24 <@brimstone> sublime is kinda mainstream now
07:24 < aestetix> if a text editor uses a gig of ram....
07:24 <@RangerZ> aestetix: and?
07:24 <@brimstone> and an html rendering engine
07:24 <@RangerZ> how is ram usage a bad thing?
07:24 <@RangerZ> if you are leveraging it properly at least
07:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: if your text editor makes emacs look like a lean and slim machine....
07:25 <@RangerZ> thats the thing, I've never told anyone to use 'just a text editor' other than notepad++ and kate
07:26 <@RangerZ> IDEs are NOT 'just text editors'
07:26 < aestetix> what is kate?
07:27 <@RangerZ> KDE's Advanded Text Editor
07:27 <@RangerZ> K A T E
07:27 <@RangerZ> actually a really nice simple text editor
07:28 < aestetix> one thing I love
07:28 < aestetix> I can log into any server and use vi(m).
07:28 < aestetix> I can't do that with sublime
07:28 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You can do that with nano, provided that you install it first.
07:29 < _NSAKEY> nano isn't nearly as neckbeard as vim.
07:29 <@RangerZ> I'd argue that nano has MUCH better UX than vim
07:29 <@RangerZ> because the available commands are on screen for the user
07:30 <@RangerZ> no 'wtf, what do you mean ESC :wq'
07:30 < _NSAKEY> My experience with "proper" vi is traumatic at best.
07:30 < _NSAKEY> I'd rather use sed and pipes to redirect output than regular vi. It's actually more intuitive.
07:31 < aestetix> nano is terrible
07:31 < _NSAKEY> When I was messing with my SGI box about a month ago, I had to do that because nothing on vi worked consistently.
07:31 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You're terrible.
07:31 <@RangerZ> aestetix: how is nano terrible?
07:31 <@RangerZ> it works through telnet/ssh the the same as vi/m
07:31 <@RangerZ> smaller footprint
07:31 < aestetix> I can barely use it :p
07:32 < aestetix> Does nano support macros and regex?
07:32 <@RangerZ> no, it follows the Unix ideas of KISS
07:32 <@RangerZ> its a 'text editor'
07:32 < aestetix> or multiple registers
07:32 <@RangerZ> use other tools if you want to do that
07:32 < aestetix> so you're suggesting that vim is an ide
07:33 <@RangerZ> no, I'm suggeting that vim is bloated for what 'a lot' of people would need
07:33 < aestetix> then they shouldn't use it
07:33 <@RangerZ> sure, YOU might not fall into that category
07:33 <@RangerZ> but I was just having fun, using your arguments against you, lol
07:34 < aestetix> well look at it this way
07:34 < aestetix> If you don't speak German, do you assume it's stupid and call Germans neckbeards?
07:34 <@RangerZ> no, I call them .de(s)
07:35 <@RangerZ> and i'm not saying that vim isn't a "powerful" tool
07:35 <@RangerZ> I'm saying that it has to high of a first step to even get ONTO the 'learning curve' for most people
07:35 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Explain to me what you can do with vim that can't be done with nano and sed.
07:36 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: easy, you don't have to exit the editor to do what he wants in vim
07:36 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: write out a sequence, copy it into a register, then run the sequence as a macro
07:36 < _NSAKEY> Is there a legitimate reason to touch vim aside from the fact that all the distros install it because tradition?
07:36 <@RangerZ> e-penis
07:36 < _NSAKEY> But how does that help me with editing basic config files on a server?
07:37 < aestetix> ok, heres's an example
07:37 <@RangerZ> ohh it can be very useful for mass regex replacements
07:37 < aestetix> regex is one thing
07:37 < aestetix> it also can do things inside of words
07:37 < aestetix> so for example, if you want to make a modification inside all the <data></data> tags in a file
07:37 < aestetix> vim can do this very easily
07:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I'd just use sed for that.
07:38 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: I agree, but vim inclues sed inside of it
07:38 <@RangerZ> thats what he likes
07:38 < aestetix> You can also use it to manipulate Evilpig's girlfriend. Start with the command ":e /dev/null"
07:38 <@RangerZ> he likes having a shell ontop of the shell
07:39 <@RangerZ> he is missng the kithen sink, which is why he doesn't use emacs
07:39 <@RangerZ> but still
07:41 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gtw59wROW8
07:41 < PigBot> Title: Bronies on News 2013 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/l7d5zrn
07:41 < aestetix> RangerZ: I think you're in that video
07:41 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Are you becoming a brony?
07:41 <@RangerZ> nope. I had a horse head on, so you can't see my face
07:42 < aestetix> no
07:42 < aestetix> I'm just trying to rationalize and understand it
07:42 < _NSAKEY> Suuuuure.
07:43 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you can't rationalize things that unrational
07:43 < _NSAKEY> How long before you order a my little pony sex dool and start calling it your waifu?
07:43 < _NSAKEY> *doll
07:43 < aestetix> what is a waifu?
07:44 <@RangerZ> not 'irrational'
07:44 < aestetix> Wait, don't answe rthat
07:44 <@RangerZ> thats not bad
07:44 <@RangerZ> its japanese way of saying 'wife'...sorta...
07:44 < aestetix> I'm not japanese
07:44 <@RangerZ> but it means "the favored female character to be your wife"
07:45 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/waifu
07:45 < PigBot> Title: Waifu | Know Your Meme (at knowyourmeme.com) http://tinyurl.com/khffkhw
07:45 <@RangerZ> and wtf does your lineage have to do with a word's meaning?
07:45 < aestetix> hahaha
07:45 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj11mL200qY
07:45 < PigBot> Title: Howard Stern on Bronies, Brony Hate Mail and Comic Con - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/m7kjjj2
07:45 <@RangerZ> I'm not native american but I lived in Mahoning County
07:45 < aestetix> "have you ever pleasured yourself to a my little pony image"
07:45 <@RangerZ> which means 'salt lick'
07:47 < aestetix> wow these people make furries look normal
07:48 < _NSAKEY> ... And now you're one of them.
07:48 < aestetix> That would invole liking the show.
07:48 < aestetix> And dressing up as a pony
07:49 <@RangerZ> Hell, there was at least an excuse to watch sailor moon when we were kids, since it was the only cartoon on at the time between transformers and GI joe
07:49 <@RangerZ> but I don't see why they would gravitate to my little pony now a days when there is so many options
07:49 < aestetix> god all these guys have masturbated to ponies
07:49 < aestetix> that's so fucked up
07:50 <@RangerZ> no, they got off to personifications of humans in pony bodies
07:50 <@RangerZ> or ponie in human bodies
07:50 <@RangerZ> depending on which way "they" look at it
07:51 < aestetix> RangerZ: you seem to have a good undestanding of this
07:51 <@RangerZ> its easy
07:51 <@RangerZ> just think of the as libertarians (I know that sounds like an insult but its not)
07:51 <@RangerZ> they believe in magic fairy dust the same, so its easy to see where they are coming from
07:52 <@RangerZ> actually another perfet example is the GOP race this year
07:52 <@RangerZ> none of them running did op-research on Trump, b/c it was in their own self-interet (to save money)
07:52 <@RangerZ> but as a collective it hurt society
07:53 <@RangerZ> it took a buzzfeed journalist to find video of trump talking about how avoiding STDs in the 70s was 'his own personal nam' from all the social sex he was having
07:54 < aestetix> the saddest part is the guys singing the MLP theme song
07:54 <@RangerZ> when people start to believe twisted logic (admittedly from my own persepective) such as brony/furries/libertarians/etc. Its easy to game out their own logic
07:55 < aestetix> so wait
07:56 <@RangerZ> hell, bdsm and 'normal' fetishs 'make sense' compared to brony/furries (to me)
07:56 < aestetix> these guys are all 27/28, live with their parents, are unemployed, and are obsessed with this show
07:56 <@RangerZ> not all of them
07:56 <@RangerZ> just one of NotLarry's children
07:56 <@RangerZ> I think the others are younger
07:57 <@RangerZ> (his eldest?) was a big brony IIRC, and was living with him between jobs , but I think he got another job and moved out
07:58 < aestetix> there you go
07:58 < aestetix> lol
07:58 <@RangerZ> probably still obsessed with brony
07:58 <@RangerZ> think about the 29~32 year old girls who love sponge bob
07:58 < aestetix> wait, that exists?
07:58 <@RangerZ> it was on in the 'sweet spot' for us
07:59 <@RangerZ> yeah, hell they even made a shitty live action/animated movie last year of it
07:59 < aestetix> ....
08:01 < aestetix> It would be hilarious if MLP was an ISIS plot
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08:04 <@RangerZ> no its a plot to sell figures
08:04 <@RangerZ> and shirts and other merch
08:05 <@RangerZ> and ads
08:09 < aestetix> so what's next
08:09 < aestetix> are the bronies going to shave their legs and start taking estrogen pills?
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08:35 < aestetix> fuck I love sed
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12:01 < aestetix> I just got an idea
12:01 < aestetix> There should be a Hitler my little pony
12:02 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You've been in Germany too long.
12:03 < aestetix> actually if that show really wants to be smart and address hard topics, they should totally do an episode about the holocaust
12:03 < aestetix> I would actually buy a hitler pony doll
12:31 <@Evilpig> 866-501-0340  _NSAKEY  set up your call recorder and have fun
12:31 <@Evilpig> I just got a call ffrom the indian wildow security team
12:31 <@Evilpig> windows* I should put on my glasses
12:31 < _NSAKEY> Wildow? Did they actually say Wildow?
12:32 < _NSAKEY> Oh, well "Wildow" is just the sort of dumb thing they might call windows.
12:32 <@Evilpig> they security management server flagged my system as about to be comprimised
12:32 < _NSAKEY> I got serious enough about trolling those people that I had a WinXP VM just for that.
12:32 <@Evilpig> I was just about to nod off and the fucker woke me up
12:33 < _NSAKEY> Even set the desktop background to goatse, but then I learned that they don't see desktop backgrounds.
12:33 <@Evilpig> I wasn't about to get cutesy with them
12:33 <@RangerZ> did you install bearshare and kazaa on it?
12:34 <@RangerZ> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036760/hardware/the-impossible-has-happened-radeon-and-geforce-come-together-in-directx-12.html
12:34 < PigBot> Title: The impossible has happened: Testing Radeon and GeForce together in DirectX 12 | PCWorld (at www.pcworld.com) http://tinyurl.com/jb9o5a7
12:35 <@RangerZ> as should surprise no one, a fuxy + 980 combo beat out everything else
12:35 <@RangerZ> including 2x 980s
12:35 <@RangerZ> but I'd be curious to see frame timings, and consistecy
12:35 <@RangerZ> which would require capture equipment, not just a benchmark
12:37 <@RangerZ> and Multi-GPU did better than SLI
12:40 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: The world needs more stuff like that.
12:40 < _NSAKEY> There are different things that different cards will do better than others.
12:41 <@RangerZ> AMD has alwasy had better fill rates
12:41 <@RangerZ> where NV has worked on polygon counts
12:41 < _NSAKEY> The thing I want to see AMD work on is power consumption.
12:41 <@RangerZ> (which is why NV make 'extra' polygons in games that no one ever sees when you use gameworks, lol)
12:44 <@RangerZ> ohh, thats a good point too.... a 960+970 would be cheaper than a 980ti, and probably produce same/better reults
12:44 <@RangerZ> results*
12:45 <@RangerZ> which would kill NV's profitability
12:46 <@RangerZ> AMD already allows you to SLI(crossfire) same family cards, but either way... I'm hoping that vulkan adds this support too, and that NV doesn't put the kybosh(sp?) on this
12:47 <@RangerZ> but what would be EVEN MORE interesting is 3x cheaper ~200$ cards
12:48 <@RangerZ> or 250$ cards
12:48 <@RangerZ> even same manf.
12:48 <@RangerZ> or 7 200$ cards
12:48 <@RangerZ> hehe
12:48 <@RangerZ> you'd need water cooling.....
12:49 <@RangerZ> like the '7 gamers 1 cpu' system (technically 1 mobo, 2 CPUs)
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12:59 <@RangerZ> Evilpig, I assmue you've contacted Comcast, what have they said?
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13:00 <@Evilpig> no I haven't.  I should do that now
13:00 <@Evilpig> this is getting beyond retarded
13:00 <@RangerZ> it would be one thing if it was just your nick
13:00 <@RangerZ> but 4 at a time inc. a bot is a bit ssilly
13:00 <@RangerZ> silly*
13:01 <@Evilpig> i've been looking into getting a surfboard to replace their shit and seeing if I can get my statics to work if they send down the bridge mode config but there are conflicting reports on if it will work or not
13:02 <@Evilpig> i'm still not feeling great and that isn't helping my motivation to call and fight with them
13:10 < aestetix> penis
13:11 <@RangerZ> speaking of... I need to buy a new cable modem myself to not rent this modem from them for 10$/mo anymore
13:11 <@RangerZ> (basically I need to stop being lazy after upgrading)
13:11 <@RangerZ> 20$ is more than enough to show that the connection is fine
13:13 <@RangerZ> modem capable of reaching download speeds of up to 1.4 Gbps.
13:14 <@RangerZ> I bet you the fucking thiing only has a gigabit ethernet on it
13:16 < aestetix> god
13:16 < aestetix> trump is like preschool hitler
13:17 <@RangerZ> 'now'
13:17 <@RangerZ> wait until sept
13:17 <@RangerZ> he'll be to the left of Clinton
13:18 < aestetix> I would love to repeal NAFTA
13:19 <@RangerZ> you can't
13:19 <@RangerZ> drity little secret of trade deals is that they are 'at the same level' as the constitition
13:19 <@RangerZ> all international treaties are
13:20 <@RangerZ> I was honestly shocked at that when I found out, but constitional law scholars all know this, and its why TPP is going to be so damning
13:20 <@RangerZ> b/c we can't even change our constitition to fix it
13:21 <@RangerZ> before the WTO it was 'alright' to break a treaty, but now, if we did, what would happen is that the intl. community would enforce sanctions on us
13:22 <@RangerZ> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/business/global/dispute-with-antigua-and-barbuda-threatens-us-copyrights.html?_r=0
13:22 < PigBot> "Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 302: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.\nThe last 30x error message was:\nFound. http://tinyurl.com/b8jsusf"
13:22 <@RangerZ> they won, and are allowed to 'violate' US Copyright
13:22 <@RangerZ> legally
13:23 <@RangerZ> the fact that the Republicans pushed for it, shows you that they are 'pro-corporations/sponsors(b/c they are not 'donors')' more than anything else
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14:29 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: if you haven't tried out that ziplock bag idea for spare/loose cable mang. (instead of rats nest/spaghetti in a box) it actually works really really well
14:30 <@RangerZ> I just spent a while and sorted through 2 large plastic totes of random cables I'd collected over the years, put them in ziplock bags and no only won't they tangle now, but they actually take up less room sine they are compressed down/air taken out of bags
14:31 <@RangerZ> so compressed them down into 1 plastic tote, and its actually really nice now (sorting through still kinda sucks, since they are still random/not organized 'well'... but at least you can do it without having to cut cables/etc.
14:37 <@RangerZ>  
14:37 <@RangerZ> ugh
14:39 <@RangerZ> anyone used a CLI or 'service' based RSS/Atom reader? such as http://newsbeuter.org/ or  http://codezen.org/canto-ng/
14:39 < PigBot> Title: Introduction (at newsbeuter.org) http://tinyurl.com/3kquhku
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17:03 <@RangerZ> anyone know a local contractor? (nashville) ?
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22:33 <@RangerZ> https://www.humblebundle.com/books/paizo-pathfinder-bundle
22:33 <@RangerZ> a ton of Pathfinder e-books, and for 25$ the physical beginner box if you would like
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23:49 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkLRuL5goao gotta love GabeN (sometimes)
23:50 <@RangerZ> the giant levels of tech failure is bad enough, but this guy was 'real winner' too
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