--- Log opened Tue Feb 23 00:00:35 2016
00:01 < aestetix> I am not liking all this talk about Schengen dying
00:13 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KudMvcQreuU
00:13 < PigBot> Title: Yelp Employee FIRED After Posting Open Letter To CEO - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zsdrwzd
00:14 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you'll appreciate this
00:15 <@RangerZ> https://medium.com/@taliajane/an-open-letter-to-my-ceo-fb73df021e7a#.hs0ytgje7
00:15 < PigBot> Title: An Open Letter To My CEO — Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/jpfxnnc
00:15 <@RangerZ> 18k/yr
00:17 <@RangerZ> 733.24, bi-weekly take-home-pay
00:21 <@RangerZ> I make more as a fucking grad student... jesus...
00:25 <@eryc> thats after taxes
00:26 <@RangerZ> eryc: yeah, I'm aware
00:26 <@RangerZ> ohh I didn't state that 'more clearly'
00:26 <@RangerZ> but still
00:26 <@RangerZ> 25k/yr
00:26 <@eryc> when you reference yearly its always before taxes
00:26 <@eryc> these are the rules of income equality comparison
00:27 <@eryc> also if its before taxes i can easily say what the hourly pay is
00:27 <@eryc> so thats like $12.50/hour
00:27 <@RangerZ> there -is- an arguement to be made that the disparity in taxes vs benefits for low income
00:28 <@RangerZ> where the take-home pay matters
00:28 <@RangerZ> and take-home pay does matter when it comes to rent/etc
00:28 <@RangerZ> so I agree both are important
00:28 <@eryc> well she has a few more twitter followers now
00:28 <@RangerZ> if she only took home 4$/hr, but had her room & board (food/utilities/etc) paid , then that would be another thing entirely
00:29 <@RangerZ> ohh obviously
00:29 <@eryc> i'm not sure i would retain someone who uses the handle Lady Murderface on twitter either
00:30 <@eryc> and her iphone is named 'dat ass'
00:30 <@RangerZ> eryc: I'd never want to keep someone who has the term 'pig' in twitter handle
00:30 <@RangerZ> non-kosher bastard
00:30 <@RangerZ> hehe
00:30 <@eryc> yea that jew-hating bastard
00:31 <@eryc> wait do jewish people eat pork?
00:31 <@eryc> i thought that was only the infidels
00:32 <@eryc> i meant to say
00:32 <@eryc> i thought that was only the infidels who didn't eat pork
00:32 <@RangerZ> depends on how 'conservative' they are
00:32 <@eryc> so just the ones with the hats
00:33 <@RangerZ>  A land animal is kosher if it has spilt hooves and chews its cud. It must have both kosher signs. Examples: cows, sheep, goats and deer are kosher, while pigs, rabbits, squirrels, bears, dogs, cats, camels and horses are not.
00:33 <@RangerZ> no camel roast this year :/
00:34 <@eryc> i can see how that would be a good distinction
00:34 <@eryc> but i make exception for pigs
00:34 <@eryc> they obviously didn't have bacon when the bible was written
00:35 <@RangerZ> its a shorthand for hygiene principles
00:35 <@RangerZ> also, can only eat the 'front half' of the animal
00:35 <@RangerZ> and Jews have to pray over the 'area' where the slaughter is to be done
00:36 <@eryc> http://bacon.wikia.com/wiki/Bacon_History
00:36 < PigBot> Title: Bacon History - Bacon Wiki - Wikia (at bacon.wikia.com) http://tinyurl.com/78v5vpr
00:36 <@RangerZ> and Islam requires prayer over each animal
00:36 <@RangerZ> but basically they are 'generally' the same overall otherwise
00:36 <@eryc> whats the hygiene principle of a cat or rabbit?
00:37 <@eryc> nothing like a pig i can tell you that
00:37 <@RangerZ> cats were 'bad mojo'
00:37 <@RangerZ> and rabbit is too cute
00:37 <@eryc> and camels and horses?
00:37 <@eryc> i'm just saying there's no hygiene principle here
00:37 <@RangerZ> especially when it bites your necks
00:37 <@eryc> and bacon wasn't invented until the 1600s
00:38 <@RangerZ> in bronze age middle east, there was
00:38 <@RangerZ> remember, Isreal is basically the 'fuck this land, no one would ever want to live here, except maybe for trade' part of the world
00:38 <@RangerZ> it barely grows any food
00:38 < aestetix> penis
00:38 <@RangerZ> very few rivers
00:38 <@RangerZ> etc
00:39 <@eryc> they have trees and shit in isreal
00:39 < aestetix> and jews
00:39 <@RangerZ> yeah, they do, and they grew figs
00:39 <@RangerZ> b/c not much else will grow there for farming
00:40 <@RangerZ> my point was... NO ONE would be fighting over this land if it wasn't for their sky god
00:40 <@eryc> they grow a lot of shit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Israel#Crops
00:40 < PigBot> Title: Agriculture in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/pvanfsd
00:40 <@RangerZ> so a lot of 'religious rules' were actually just laws
00:41 <@eryc> "Israel is one of the world's leading fresh citrus producers and exporters"
00:41 <@RangerZ> corn are native to the Americas , as is the current wheat stocks we use
00:41 <@RangerZ> citris is from SE asia
00:42 <@RangerZ> I'll conceded that they 'now' can grow a wide range of crops with modern agricultural techniques
00:42 <@eryc> lets just agree that israel has far better farm land than say saudi arabia
00:43 <@eryc> i dont see any jew gods running around saudi arabia saving the pigs
00:43 <@eryc> actually nevermind
00:43 <@eryc> they have their own jew god
00:43  * RangerZ would love to see a jew god running around the House of Saud's Arabia
00:44 <@RangerZ> I still say they are the same god
00:44 <@RangerZ> different names for different representations of the same god figure
00:44 <@eryc> yea its like abraham and ishmael
00:44 <@eryc> same shit different pig stories
00:44 <@eryc> but we have lord jebus whitey to look up to
00:45 <@eryc> if jesus is from the middle east how come all his friends are named Mark and John and shit
00:45 <@RangerZ> b/c jesus and st. nicholas were both 'white'
00:46 <@RangerZ> despite one being middle eastern, and the other being turkish
00:46 <@RangerZ> so away from skygod talk...
00:46 <@RangerZ> HTC Vive Will Cost $799
00:46  * RangerZ bad segway
00:47 <@eryc> they didnt publish a lot of specs on the oculus
00:47 <@RangerZ> ?
00:47 <@eryc> how does the vive compare? i didnt see any specs there either
00:47 <@eryc> refresh rate, etc
00:47 <@RangerZ> http://www.digitaltrends.com/virtual-reality/oculus-rift-vs-htc-vive/
00:47 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
00:48 <@RangerZ> basically the same
00:48 <@eryc> cool
00:48 <@eryc> did the have this shit on the oculus website?
00:48 <@eryc> i remember not seeing anything
00:48 <@RangerZ> but vive comes with the 2 IR sensors that allow you to 'walk around' (ignoring the cable)
00:48 <@eryc> ooh SteamVR
00:48 <@eryc> now we're talking
00:48 <@eryc> fuck some new app store i prefer steam
00:49 <@RangerZ> not quickly
00:49 <@eryc> uplay is bad enough
00:49 <@RangerZ> their site looks fucking 'web 3.0'
00:49 <@eryc> its pretty terrible
00:49 <@RangerZ> lots of pictures, and not a lot of 'meat'
00:50 <@eryc> yea and you can click stuff and it leads to some more bs
00:50 <@eryc> and you think maybe if i just keep clicking stuff i'll find it
00:50 <@eryc> but no
00:50 <@RangerZ> nope, didn't find '110' on the page at all
00:50 <@eryc> yea all they have are PC requirements
00:50 <@RangerZ> 'learn what PCs you need to have to use it'
00:50 <@RangerZ> hehe 'jinx
00:51 <@RangerZ> the REAL question is now the PS VR
00:51 <@RangerZ> which is likely to be delayed until end of summer/fall
00:51 <@RangerZ> which to ME indicates that they want to wait and save on some cost somewhere
00:51 <@RangerZ> I'm hoping they are waiting for a cheaper/same screen or something
00:52 <@eryc> thats a good theory
00:52 <@eryc> if Vive and Oculus ramp up production on these tiny oled displays they just have to come in late and reap the benefits
00:52 <@RangerZ> b/c the market share are basically bifurcated anyways
00:52 <@eryc> and they can sell it cheaper while oculus/vive wait to slash prices
00:53 <@eryc> yea game companies will have to release on all platforms
00:53 <@RangerZ> being that you need a GTX 970/R9 290+ to even 'attempt' to run the PC headsets
00:53 <@eryc> and PS can come in cheap and take a bunch of market
00:53 <@RangerZ> personally I'd _love_ if the PSVR works on PC
00:53 <@RangerZ> not 'likely' but could be a way of eating Rift's lunch
00:54 <@eryc> i'm not fucking with consoles anymore i can play pc games on my tv with an xbox controller
00:54 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBjgaza_qAA
00:54 < PigBot> Title: the Yak in the Room - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zgnyepk
00:54 <@eryc> i'm also not paying $800 the same as i wasn't paying $600 for an oculus
00:54 <@eryc> especially for some goofy ass jumping fox game
00:55 <@eryc> i do want a 360d camera tho
00:55 <@RangerZ> I pulled some 'shenanigans' to pay for my PS4 for 'free'
00:55 <@RangerZ> I reserved 4 of them the night/next morning they were anounced
00:55 <@RangerZ> and sold each one for 100$
00:55 <@RangerZ> hehe
00:55 <@eryc> ha
00:56 <@eryc> so how does vive justify the extra $200.. all you get is a front facing camera?
00:56 <@RangerZ> no
00:56 <@RangerZ> you get that, + 2 external IR sensor boxes
00:56 <@RangerZ> so you can 'actually' make use of 15x15 space
00:57 <@RangerZ> notice rift says '5 x 11 feet'
00:57 <@RangerZ> thats b/c you need 1x IR camera that you look at while you wear it
00:58 <@RangerZ> and vive comes with 2 'controllers'
00:58 <@RangerZ> b/c calling them 'wands' sounds funny
00:58 <@RangerZ> http://blog.htcvive.com/2016/02/unveiling-the-vive-consumer-edition-and-pre-order-information/
00:58 < PigBot> Title: Unveiling the Vive Virtual Reality System and Pre-order (at blog.htcvive.com) http://tinyurl.com/jydqw7j
00:59 <@eryc> how much did oculus want for their addon crap?
00:59 <@RangerZ> no clue yet
00:59 <@eryc> i dont think they put up pricing?
00:59 <@RangerZ> but you 'get' a 60$ (probably 15$ bom cost) xbox one controller
00:59 <@RangerZ> if you need it or not
01:00 <@RangerZ> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036274/consumer-electronics/htc-vive-vs-oculus-rift-what-your-money-gets-you.html
01:00 < PigBot> Title: HTC Vive vs. Oculus Rift: What your money gets you | PCWorld (at www.pcworld.com) http://tinyurl.com/jk8l7dt
01:00 <@RangerZ> there we go
01:00 <@RangerZ> wasn't sure what was in rift set
01:01 < aestetix> I hope that video is not representative of most colleges
01:01 < aestetix> RangerZ: you should watch ti
01:01 <@RangerZ> the 'Desktop IR LED-tracking sensor' is basically the same as the kinect
01:01 <@eryc> i'd rather have a steampad controller
01:02 <@eryc> also i bought an HTC Evo 4G when it came out in 2010 and i was disappointed in the hype
01:02 <@eryc> i'm not sure i want another HTC product
01:03 <@eryc> Evo 4G - "First 4G phone in the United States; offers a mobile hot-spot feature and HDMI port"
01:03 <@RangerZ> I've watched a lot of the video of people using the vive's controllers and the interviews after that, and they say it feels very natural
01:03 <@RangerZ> I think the VIVE will be better for 'creative'
01:03 <@RangerZ> and for 'gaming'... i have no idea
01:03 <@eryc> who makes the steampad controllers?
01:04 <@RangerZ> steam
01:04 <@RangerZ> actual water steam is compressed into a solid
01:04 <@RangerZ> hehe
01:04 <@RangerZ> and then the tears of Evilpig are collected to dye the mixture black
01:04 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCgnWqoP4MM
01:04 < PigBot> Title: Building the Steam Controller - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hjgec8f
01:04 <@RangerZ> I think MadKatz contracted to manf. the controllrs
01:05 <@RangerZ> but I'm not sure, its a valve 100% control thing
01:05 <@RangerZ> aestetix: is that a fucking parody?
01:05 <@eryc> looks like they built their own plant watch the video
01:05 <@RangerZ> or real?
01:05 <@RangerZ> odd
01:05 <@eryc> haha they have aperture logos on the robots
01:06 <@RangerZ> yeah.. .b/c "manufacturing is going to bring back the economy"
01:06 <@eryc> i dont see any humans in this video lol
01:07 <@RangerZ> I saw one loading the hoppers
01:07 <@eryc> oh there's 2
01:07 < aestetix> RangerZ: I think it's real
01:07 <@RangerZ> and then taking the finished controllers off
01:07 < aestetix> I hope it's a parody
01:07 <@eryc> what's a parody?
01:08 <@RangerZ> the link aestetix posted about yik yak racial comments
01:08 <@RangerZ> and a kid getting suspended, and then they made a documentary about it
01:09 <@eryc> idk i guess if steam gave the vive their blessing it must be pretty good
01:09 < aestetix> suspended for two years
01:09 <@RangerZ> wtf
01:09 <@RangerZ> really
01:11 <@RangerZ> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colorado-college-yik-yak_us_56718ab1e4b0648fe301b019
01:11 <@RangerZ> 6mo
01:11 <@RangerZ> they suspended him for 1 semester
01:11 <@RangerZ> 'that' I can "understand"
01:12 <@RangerZ> but partially for his own good too
01:12 < aestetix> yes, it was reduced to that
01:12 < aestetix> what I really wanna know is how the hell did they know it was him
01:12 < aestetix> since yik yak is supposed to be anonymous
01:12 <@RangerZ> they tricked him into admitting it
01:12 <@RangerZ> thats all
01:12 <@eryc> yea sounds like it
01:12 <@RangerZ> around 8:30
01:13 < aestetix> so he was a fucking idiot
01:13 < aestetix> he should have said "what's yik yak?"
01:13 <@eryc> what was his yikyak name
01:14 < aestetix> wait yikyak has names?
01:14 <@eryc> whiteypryor?
01:14 < aestetix> I thought it was anonymous
01:14 < aestetix> hahaha
01:14 <@eryc> i thought it had names
01:14 <@RangerZ> whats a yikyak?
01:14 <@RangerZ> lol
01:14 <@eryc> it has to
01:14 <@RangerZ> it 'has' names, AFAIK, but they are like IRC
01:14 <@RangerZ> unique, while someone is on
01:15 <@eryc> http://college.usatoday.com/2015/12/16/yik-yak-post-spurs-colorado-college-students-suspension/
01:15 <@RangerZ> ohh fuck... they kicked him out for 2 full semesters
01:16 <@eryc> he was a teepee
01:16 <@RangerZ> teepee?
01:17 <@RangerZ> ohh
01:17 < aestetix> So he was a fucking idiot.
01:17 <@RangerZ> a 'teepee'
01:17 < aestetix> Seriously. If there are hot coals, don't step on them.
01:17 <@eryc> heh In February 2015, Yik Yak was exposed for systematically downvoting and deleting posts that mention competitors. The automatic system downvotes and deletes any posts that contain words that are associated with the names for other apps used by university students, including "fade," "unseen," "erodr," and "sneek." The downvoting algorithm, which assigns downvotes on regular intervals until the posts are deleted, appears designed to mislead users 
01:17 <@RangerZ> actually... I think he's perfectly in line to say that 'black women aren't hot'
01:17 <@RangerZ> its an opinion
01:17 <@RangerZ> I disagree with him
01:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: yes, but saying he did it, when there is no evidene, and an angry mob
01:18 < aestetix> that's stupid
01:18 <@RangerZ> yes
01:18 <@RangerZ> but he's also not a white/grey/black hat
01:18 < aestetix> What I will say is that the black woman in that video was a fucking moron bitch looking for a scapegoat
01:18 <@RangerZ> or a fucking *admin for that matter
01:19 <@RangerZ> be it sys/network/db/etc
01:19 < aestetix> RangerZ: you don't need to know computers to ask "excuse me, do you have any evidence to back up such an allegation?"
01:19 <@RangerZ> aestetix: yeah, but thats pleading the 5th
01:19 <@RangerZ> and you don't have that right in school "tribunals"
01:20 < aestetix> You mean mobs
01:20 <@RangerZ> no i mean tribunals
01:20 <@RangerZ> the mob was outside
01:20 <@RangerZ> the tribunal met in secret to decide his fate
01:20 <@RangerZ> lol
01:21 < aestetix> what I don't get
01:21 < aestetix> polish jews dont' get nearly as mad about nazi jokes as american blacks do about nigger jokes
01:22 <@RangerZ> polish jews got their own country after WW2
01:22 < aestetix> lol
01:22 <@eryc> ^
01:22 <@RangerZ> I'm -not- kidding, despite it being funny
01:22 < aestetix> Yeah, and that country has been a garden of peace ever since
01:23 < aestetix> So you're saying the solution to the racism issue in the US is to carve out a new state and ship all the blacks there?
01:23 <@RangerZ> I never said religious people were 'logical'
01:23 <@RangerZ> aestetix: no, we tried that, it failed miserably
01:23 <@RangerZ> it was called 'seperate but equal'
01:23 <@RangerZ> we gave them 'red line' parts of cities
01:23 <@RangerZ> etc
01:24 < aestetix> So it worked for the jews, but not the blacks?
01:25 <@eryc> i don't see how racism is ever going to end if we always refer to ourselves and each other by race
01:25 <@eryc> for the next census everybody should just check Caucasian
01:25 <@RangerZ> no, it worked for the jews b/c they had a different system of oppression with a much different graph of it vs time
01:25 <@eryc> good luck gerrymandering that shit
01:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: you mean millennia?
01:25 <@RangerZ> they were 'low' on the totem pole until WW2, but they were still 'white', even in the US
01:26 <@RangerZ> Blacks were below the totem pole, holding it up
01:26 <@eryc> i thought the jews were oppressing hitler or something
01:26 <@RangerZ> and unfortunately still are mostly today because of economic chains
01:26 <@RangerZ> eryc: nope, only Hitler's mother who was 1/2 jewish
01:27 < aestetix> I thought everyone hated the blacks because they are stupid, and everyone hates the jews because they are too smart.
01:27 <@eryc> maybe she made fun of his small penis
01:27 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I hope you are kidding
01:27 <@RangerZ> and either way, thats still out of line
01:27 <@RangerZ> god damn it... he's been in Germany too long now
01:27 < aestetix> RangerZ: you should read/watch some of Thomas Sowell's work.
01:27 <@RangerZ> next year he'll shave his head
01:27 < aestetix> hahaha
01:28 <@eryc> how many refugee centers have you burned down aestetix
01:29 <@eryc> i like how america was all about accepting everyone, the poor, the weak, the sick (not really), etc
01:29 <@eryc> but now that we've "globalized" and exported all the labor jobs to china, etc we don't want them anymore
01:29 <@eryc> we just want the cheap mexicans to mow our lawns
01:29 <@eryc> and kill our pigs
01:30 <@RangerZ> ./msg eryc we make a site www.aestetix-denies-the-holocaust.com
01:30 <@RangerZ> whoops ... miss type ;)
01:30 <@eryc> and if they act up we can deport them
01:30 <@RangerZ> we could get aestetix kicked out of germany
01:30 <@RangerZ> I think he needs to be punished, and forced to move back to the bay area
01:31 <@eryc> meanwhile i guess we're hoping poor people just kill each other off or starve to death
01:31 <@RangerZ> eryc: shhh
01:31 <@eryc> we should give poor people their own country
01:31 <@RangerZ> not so loud, we don't want another '47% video' exposing the truth
01:31 <@eryc> just put them all in alabama or something
01:31 <@RangerZ> we tried that, it was called australia
01:31 <@eryc> yea but australia is taken
01:31 <@RangerZ> and Haiti
01:31 <@eryc> australia didn't do too bad
01:32 <@eryc> they have an opera house
01:32 <@RangerZ> ethnic cleansing of aboriginals will do taht
01:32 <@eryc> and sharks
01:32 <@eryc> well i didnt choose australia i'm just saying it was a good idea on paper
01:32 <@RangerZ> notice he got 'really quiet' after that domain mention... hehe
01:33 <@eryc> we can build an island in the south china sea
01:33 <@RangerZ> actually for a LONG TIME, since basically HS, I've feared intra-stellar space travel
01:33 <@eryc> maybe one off dubai too
01:33 <@RangerZ> we'll re-instate slavery at 'sea'
01:33 <@eryc> what should the shape of the poor people's island be
01:33 <@eryc> like in dubai they have the palm tree one
01:34 <@RangerZ> and the world map
01:34 <@eryc> oh yea that too
01:34 <@RangerZ> personaly I say we dig a moat around isreal/suadi arabia
01:34 <@eryc> oh i got it
01:34 <@RangerZ> and say 'only religious fanatics can enter'
01:34 <@eryc> we'll make it in the shape of the $ sign
01:35 <@RangerZ> or the Yen sign
01:35 <@RangerZ> that way its easier to carve
01:35 <@RangerZ> just non-curves
01:35 <@RangerZ> we don't want to spend too much money on them
01:35 <@RangerZ> make them feel they are 'human beings'
01:35 <@eryc> yea good point maybe a nice square or whatever it turns out as.. some blob shape
01:36 <@eryc> we need a river through it or something so we don't have to ship goods very far
01:36 <@eryc> oh it can be like the Uber logo
01:37 <@eryc> but they'll have no cars
01:37 <@RangerZ> that island that they sent Jean Claud Van Dam in the last 'big budget' film he was in...
01:37 <@RangerZ> where they send all the ex-super soilders/spies/etc
01:37 <@RangerZ> laser grid around it in the water
01:37 <@RangerZ> air drop supplies once a week
01:37 <@eryc> oh yea
01:37 <@eryc> was that van dam?
01:38 <@RangerZ> yeah, but you could make it even easier, just work on a space elevator
01:38 <@RangerZ> and then drop it from the helio-ring #1
01:38 <@RangerZ> that way you can play 'lawn darts' with the cargo drops
01:38 <@eryc> so you're saying feeding tubes and htc vives inside space suits and put them into stationary orbit?
01:38 <@eryc> that seems humane
01:38 <@RangerZ> now that is minority report
01:39 <@RangerZ> 'in space'
01:40 <@eryc> heh minority report
01:40 < aestetix> so actually
01:40 < aestetix> what is racism?
01:41 <@RangerZ> depends on who you ask
01:41 <@RangerZ> i've had arguments about this
01:41 < aestetix> and therein lies the problem
01:41 <@RangerZ> some minorities believe that minorities can't be racist
01:41 <@eryc> i think its the tendency to see differences in people instead of similarities when they don't share your skin color or genetic features
01:41 <@RangerZ> despite the definition stating that 'the belief that one race is suppior to another' (thereby also stating that one race is inferior to another)
01:42 < aestetix> eryc: why not see both?
01:42 <@RangerZ> aestetix: b/c he's racist
01:42 < aestetix> I mean I get pissed off because I burn easily but a black guy can't get sunburn
01:42 < aestetix> oh lol
01:42 <@RangerZ> actually they CAN
01:42 <@RangerZ> and DO
01:42 <@eryc> because people are stupid
01:42 <@RangerZ> it just takes a lot longer
01:43 <@RangerZ> and when they peel, they are 'pink' underneath until the skin regrows
01:43 <@eryc> and visual stimulation generally outweighs cerebral though
01:43 <@eryc> t
01:43 <@RangerZ> but it would take more sun than you've ever seen in the bay area or germany
01:43 <@RangerZ> lol
01:44 <@eryc> i've met a lot of racist people so i've tried to distill things into a simple form
01:44 <@RangerZ> aka on a mountain or in a dessert with very little partiulate matter
01:44 <@eryc> because its not just white people
01:45 < aestetix> kill whitey
01:49 < aestetix> RangerZ: just think of when you are running for mayor one day, and it turns out you made a comment on yikyak 10 years prior
01:50 <@RangerZ> I'd have the common sense to deny that shit
01:51 <@RangerZ> 'I did not inhale' -> 'I did not post, I only read it for a few minutes and then was disgusted with it and exited it'
01:51 < aestetix> I think that guy's big mistake
01:51 < aestetix> was that he was trying to be rational, when nobody else was
01:52 <@RangerZ> and then stopped
01:52 <@RangerZ> if he said 'this is my opinion', fuck off
01:52 <@RangerZ> he wouldn't have been punished
01:52 <@RangerZ> b/c of the possible backlash
01:52 < aestetix> reminds me of Dick Cheney
01:52 <@RangerZ> b/c he said 'they do matter'
01:52 <@RangerZ> darth sideous
01:52 < aestetix> Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, every time a reporter brings it up he says "no comment, that's a personal matter"
01:52 <@RangerZ> fuck him
01:53 <@eryc> they haven given up hope for the cure
01:53 < aestetix> the cure for lesbians, or for Dick Cheney?
01:54 <@eryc> if they pray hard enough god will make her straight again
01:54 <@eryc> i wonder how many lesbians own a dildo
01:55 < aestetix> eryc: you should ask anarchival
01:56 <@eryc> i don't need a donglegate
01:56 <@RangerZ> eryc: damn you
01:57 <@RangerZ> we never called it that when she was here
01:58 <@eryc> oh did you see the guy that played off his punishment porn browser tabs?
01:58 <@eryc> he was a mayor in germany or something
01:58 <@eryc> or is rather
01:58 <@RangerZ> thats nothing
01:58 <@RangerZ> who was having the nazi orgies
01:58 <@eryc> ohh yea who was that
01:59 <@RangerZ> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1003742/F1-boss-Max-Mosley-exposed-sadomasochist-Nazi-orgy.html
01:59 < PigBot> Title: F1 boss Max Mosley 'exposed as sadomasochist in Nazi orgy' | Daily Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/7jgvsan
02:00 <@eryc> where's the video
02:00 <@RangerZ> apparently John Cleese went to school with a few british PMs in the conservative party... and he knows they are fruity as hell
02:00 <@eryc> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/20/german_mayor_caught_with_trousers_down/
02:00 < PigBot> Title: German mayor's browser tabs catch him with trousers down • The Register (at www.theregister.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/z3pgrry
02:01 <@RangerZ> "As for tab two – "BDSM porn videos" – well that, he explains, was because he was reading a Wikipedia page about the novel Fifty Shades of Grey and wanted to look up what "BDSM" meant."
02:01 <@RangerZ> .... nice....
02:02 <@eryc> right
02:02 <@RangerZ> providing alibies since 2014
02:02 <@RangerZ> or whenever
02:02 <@RangerZ> probably earlier... but *shrug*
02:02 <@eryc> that movie sucked
02:02 <@eryc> i just watched it recently
02:02 <@eryc> but i learned some funny phrases to tell my gf
02:03 <@eryc> so i guess it was worth watching
02:03 <@eryc> now i can tell her to go to the dungeon and get on her knees and wait for me
02:04 <@RangerZ> lol
02:05 <@RangerZ> from what I hear, the books are pretty 'interesting' from a guy's perspective
02:05 <@RangerZ> I haven't read them, but almost every girl I knew back then read it
02:06 <@eryc> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/22/they-could-easily-have-googled-me-why-an-ohio-teen-became-a-fake-state-senator/
02:06 < PigBot> Title: They could easily have Googled me': Why an Ohio teen became a fake state senator - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/hoa8to5
02:07 <@eryc> i watched the uncut version so i'm not sure what people saw in theatres
02:07 <@eryc> i dont know what they would have cut from it though
02:07 <@RangerZ> go watch reviews
02:07 <@RangerZ> its hilarious
02:07 <@RangerZ> the YMS (Your movie sucks)
02:08 <@RangerZ> and the Cinema Cins
02:08 <@RangerZ> Sins*
02:08 <@RangerZ> both are funny as hell
02:09 <@RangerZ> alright... fuck this... this machine is borked... docker + systemD is making it just throw up all over itself
02:09 <@eryc> did you see the docker bug where it doesn't validate tcp checksums
02:10 <@eryc> where is this YMS video i can't find it
02:12 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Who do you think will get SS bolts tattooed on their neck first? Trump or aestetix?
02:20 <@eryc> this cinemasins was funny for the first minute or two but now its worse than the actual movie
02:32 <@RangerZ> eryc: I have no words... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iPQvVE1gmM
02:32 < PigBot> Title: Trump Wants To Kill Muslims With Pig Blood - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jqbhpb8
02:48 <@RangerZ> https://steamdb.info/app/323910/info/
02:48 < PigBot> Title: SteamVR Performance Test · AppID: 323910 · Steam Database (at steamdb.info) http://tinyurl.com/z9n3n54
02:50 <@RangerZ> http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2016/02/22/valve-releases-free-steamvr-pc-performance-test-no-vr-headset-required/#644094117c2e
02:50 < PigBot> Title: Valve Releases Free SteamVR PC Performance Test -- No VR Headset Required (at www.forbes.com) http://tinyurl.com/zgz8xl4
02:52 <@Dagmar> Oh will you look at that
02:52 <@Dagmar> THe specs for the Galaxy S7 are out
02:52 <@Dagmar> It
02:52 <@Dagmar> It'll have a microSD card slot
02:54 <@eryc> s7 looks cool but i like saving $100 a month with project fi
02:54 <@Dagmar> I'm not particularly worried about the cost because I'll probably buy it used when the S8 comes out
02:54 <@Dagmar> Mainly, I'm just chuckling at how they try to leave out microSD card slots every other iteration.
02:55 <@Dagmar> 300mAh ain't shit for a battery to me.  As long as I can attach a ZeroLemon and have an SDcard slot, they'll keep getting my money
02:56 <@eryc> 300?
02:56 <@eryc> or 3000?
02:56 <@Dagmar> er 3000
02:56 <@Dagmar> It is also apparently, properly fuckin' black
02:59 <@eryc> this steamvr test is kind of exciting
03:00 <@eryc> whaat
03:01 <@eryc> how can they hate on my GTX 780
03:03 <@RangerZ> b/c it isnt new enough
03:03 <@RangerZ> not enought $ being spent
03:04 <@RangerZ> obviously
03:05 <@Dagmar> Oh you were thinking about attempting to use it with an Occulus Rift
03:05 <@Dagmar> No... that's not going to happen
03:05 <@eryc> the 970 isn't really that much better than the 780 http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+780&id=2525
03:05 < PigBot> Title: PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - Video Card Look Up (at www.videocardbenchmark.net) http://tinyurl.com/jluewzf
03:05 <@Dagmar> No one's getting that tech without spending close to $850 until after summer
03:06 < _NSAKEY> eryc: Is there any chance whatsoever that it uses the newer crypto-friendly instructions in Maxwell?
03:07 <@eryc> it says my i7-4770k is fine
03:07 < _NSAKEY> I'm just asking because that makes a huge difference with something like password cracking.
03:07 < _NSAKEY> A 970 would be fine, but a 780 would be like using a potato by comparison.
03:07 <@eryc> what does maxwell have to do with the gpu?
03:07 < _NSAKEY> If it's not related to on-card crypto operations, then it's just someone bleeding you for money.
03:08 < _NSAKEY> eryc: NVIDIA finally removed its head from its ass and made cards that can compete with AMD in things like password cracking and cryptocurrency mining.
03:09 < _NSAKEY> A 970 uses the newer Maxwell arch, while a 780 uses whatever the previous arch was called.
03:09 <@eryc> i mean the 970 is only like 7.5% better
03:09 < _NSAKEY> If the requirements for one card over the other doesn't revolve around cryptographic operations, then it's just someone trying to make sure NVIDIA gets more money.
03:09 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, maybe for gaming. Crypto operations are a different ballgame.
03:09 <@eryc> on what planet would crypto ops be important to VR
03:10 < _NSAKEY> eryc: I have no idea, that's why I was asking.
03:10 <@Dagmar> The ones where people want to maintain a 90fps rate
03:10 <@Dagmar> un-for-giving
03:10 <@Dagmar> I just said "Fuck it" and ordered a fancy cardboard pre-made for $30
03:10 <@eryc> i only had 12 frames out of 9698 drop below 90fps
03:11 <@eryc> and i have a ton of shit open and i was switching windows
03:11 <@Dagmar> I might try and pick up a Gear VR used, since I've heard my phone actually does fit it, even though it's technically not supported
03:11 <@eryc> what resolution is the gear vr?
03:11 <@Dagmar> Whatever the phone you shove in it is
03:12 <@Dagmar> There's fancier available for slightly cheaper
03:12 < _NSAKEY> eryc: Here's an example of what I mean.
03:12 <@eryc> i tried cardboard and it was pretty shitty
03:13 < _NSAKEY> This is what a GTX 780 can do with crypto operations: https://hashcat.net/forum/archive/index.php?thread-3169.html
03:13 < PigBot> Title: hashcat Forum - GTX 780M benchmark (at hashcat.net) http://tinyurl.com/jtndtfl
03:13 < _NSAKEY> vs a GTX 970 https://gist.github.com/joshuaskorich/7678d4fcbf49acb69387
03:13 < PigBot> Title: GTX 970 cudaHashcat Benchmark · GitHub (at gist.github.com) http://tinyurl.com/z3ugwd5
03:13 <@Dagmar> I only intend to goof around with it until someone makes a proper headset that doesn't cost more than a weekend with a hooker
03:13 <@eryc> that's a 780 "M"
03:13 < _NSAKEY> ... But it sounds like you're just being discriminated against because you haven't given Jen-Hsun Huang
03:13 < _NSAKEY> money lately.
03:13 < _NSAKEY> Damn it.
03:14 < _NSAKEY> I was NOT typing that guy's name out.
03:14 <@eryc> Dagmar: its kinda neat
03:14 <@eryc> carboard actually glitches on my phone so i'm annoyed i can't use it
03:14 <@eryc> you'd think a google nexus would work
03:15 <@Dagmar> Well, I built one with an INCREDIBLE amount of time blown
03:15 <@Dagmar> It actually got _crushed_ in the move
03:15 < _NSAKEY> eryc: You're right. I can't even FIND benchmarks for a real 780, because it was so inadequate for the job that nobody bothered to buy one and bench it.
03:15 <@Dagmar> ...which kind of surprises me because considering what I made it out of, I figured it could handle stress better
03:16 <@Dagmar> Multiple layers of backing board from Michaels, actually spray-painted flat balck
03:16 < _NSAKEY> ... Although the first reply in this thread gives an indication of the abysmal performance for crypto operations: https://hashcat.net/forum/archive/index.php?thread-3021.html
03:16 < PigBot> Title: hashcat Forum - gtx 780 ti x 3 (at hashcat.net) http://tinyurl.com/gwd79lj
03:16 <@eryc> GeForce GTX 780	8026	12
03:16 <@eryc> GeForce GTX 780 Ti	8976	6
03:16 <@eryc> GeForce GTX 780M	4124	58
03:16 <@Dagmar> I won't miss the sketchtacular lenses
03:17 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I remember when you were working on that.
03:17 <@eryc> the 780 ranks 12th place out of all video cards in the world
03:17 <@eryc> fuck off
03:17 < _NSAKEY> Heh.
03:17 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: These people I hear use the actual lenses, and the bloody things are mounted on slides so it won't matter that I have a massive cranium
03:17 <@Dagmar> http://www.unofficialcardboard.com/
03:17 < PigBot> Title: Unofficial Cardboard - Buy Google Cardboard 2.0 Inspired Mobile VR | Unofficial Cardboard Unofficial Cardboard - Buy Google Cardboard 2.0 Inspired Mobile VRUnofficial Cardboard (at www.unofficialcardboard.com) http://tinyurl.com/my4t4sq
03:20 < aestetix> god german girls are hot
03:20 < aestetix> it's so cute when they try to speak english and stumble over words
03:23 <@RangerZ> aestetix: stop hiting on grade schoolers
03:28 <@RangerZ> eryc: gear vr depends on your phone
03:28 <@RangerZ> but its basically the same screen as in Rift/VIVE if you have one of the phones it supports
03:29 <@RangerZ> basically they all have hit 'the wall' of tech with that spec
03:30 <@Dagmar> WEll, the screen on the Rift/Vive is way better than what's on the S6
03:30 <@Dagmar> THey did kinda pull out the stops for that
03:34 <@Dagmar> ...although with used S6's being $250...
03:39 <@eryc> well i have hdmi 1.4 and 4 usb 3.0 ports so i guess my motherboard is good for VR
03:40 <@eryc> i just need to upgrade windows
03:56 <@RangerZ> eryc: akbar warning
03:56 <@RangerZ> also install the spybot anti-telemetry tool
04:10 < aestetix> ok so
04:10 < aestetix> how do you secure a windows server
04:10 <@Dagmar> A faraday cage oughtta do it
04:12 < aestetix> heh
04:16 < aestetix> pretty much
04:17 < aestetix> I have to secure a windows server 2012 instance
04:17 < aestetix> :/
04:39 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: With napalm.
05:56  * RangerZ programmatically installs 3 vms into a vm
05:57  * RangerZ over and over and over all night b/c I suck a minute details when dead tired :/
06:00 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I suggest running a instance of qemu linux inside the windows server 2012
06:00 <@RangerZ> probably best way to secure a windows box ;)
06:00 <@RangerZ> (and waste lots and LOTS of memory/resources)
06:08 <@RangerZ> aestetix: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-23/if-sterling-goes-down-on-brexit-it-s-taking-the-euro-with-it
06:08 < PigBot> Title: If Sterling Goes Down on `Brexit, Its Taking the Euro With It - Bloomberg Business (at www.bloomberg.com) http://tinyurl.com/zoh52lu
06:12 <@RangerZ> the Canadian "rupie" (as some people are calling the Canadian dollar now, since its lots like ~30% value against US dollar)
06:12 <@RangerZ> the british pound, and the EUR are the three losing value the most
06:12 <@RangerZ> "great for your exporters"
06:13 <@RangerZ> but... sucks for anyone not exporting
06:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:30 <@RangerZ> Dolemite: I hate you guts
06:30 <@RangerZ> i want you to know that you remind me that I haven't slept yet
06:30 <@RangerZ> :/
06:30 <@Dolemite> And why is that?
06:30  * Dolemite gives RangerZ a roofie to let him sleep
06:31 <@RangerZ> ugh no
06:31 <@RangerZ> 1) I never take drugs from people in this channel
06:31 <@RangerZ> 2) for all I know... it would wire me up
06:32 <@RangerZ> fucking biochemistry that makes drugs work 'funky' ... yay family trait
06:32 <@RangerZ> :/
06:32 < aestetix> RangerZ: you should take it via suppository
06:33 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you should give yourself an anal douche with a pint of jack daniels
06:35 <@RangerZ> I promise you won't get alcohol poisoning almost instantly
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08:34 <@oddball> So... I knew that Twitter had decided to create a "Trust and Safety" council to stop mean people saying mean things, but I didn't realize that they put Anita Sareesian on it.
08:35 <@Evilpig> I guess that happened while you were off on the love boat
08:36 <@oddball> Looks like
08:36 <@oddball> and... surprise surprise!  A bunch of conservatives are getting their accounts suspended!
08:39 <@Evilpig> http://reason.com/blog/2016/02/20/did-twitters-orwellian-trust-and-safety
08:39 < PigBot> Title: Did Twitters Orwellian Trust and Safety Council Get Robert Stacy McCain Banned? - Hit & Run : Reason.com (at reason.com) http://tinyurl.com/h6c4743
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08:47 <@oddball> yep
08:47 <@oddball> Gee... lets put someone that is known for kicking a hornets nest and is a severly controversial person on a censorship commitee.
09:06 <@Dolemite> #twittersafeplace
09:06 <@Dolemite> Or maybe it's just #twitsafeplace
09:06 <@Dolemite> I get those mixed up all the time
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09:24 < aestetix> oddball: yeah, a trust and safety council without a single free speech org on it
09:24 < aestetix> you'd think if anything they would have asked EFF
09:24 <@oddball> Yeah... I noticed that there were a lot of org names that sounded Orwellian.
09:25 < aestetix> honestly I would have jumped ship from twitter long ago.... but there is noplace else
09:39 <@RangerZ> aestetix: actually there is
09:39 <@RangerZ> its call 'real life'
09:39 <@RangerZ> twitter is ONLY a broadcast medium
09:39 <@RangerZ> and soon a 10k character one at that
09:40 <@RangerZ> I wonder how long until someone implements TCP-over-twitter
09:40 <@RangerZ> hehe
09:43 <@oddball> Seriously?  You can't find a better service than Twitter?
09:44 <@RangerZ> oddball: No, i get what he means, it 'has the people he wants to talk with'
09:44 <@RangerZ> but twitter is 'dying' (in VC speak) b/c it is 'staying steady' at ~330 million users or so
09:45 <@RangerZ> basically anyone who wants a twitter account 'has one'
09:45 <@oddball> eh, yeah... I guess that's also the bit where I'm still on Facebook.
09:46 <@RangerZ> snap chat, etc ate twitter's lunch
09:46 <@RangerZ> twitter still has enough money to last something like 400 years at the rate they are burning cash
09:46 <@RangerZ> so it doesn't matter
09:47 <@oddball> Oh goody.  Just dicovered that a shit ton of my music is gone because of a failed hard drive.  My first thought was "no big deal, I have it on two other drives."  Nope.  Naienko decided that those drives were "messy" and "cleaned them up."
09:47 <@opticron> :/
09:47 <@oddball> In other words: well, you have a copy of those files on another drive, no need to have duplicates!"
09:48 <@Evilpig> oddball: she was spring cleaning your digital garbage
09:48 <@RangerZ> thats why I just bought 2 8bay NAS xeon boxes used
09:48 <@oddball> I swear to god, If it wouldn't cause all sorts of screaming, I would lock her the fuck out of the file server.
09:48 <@RangerZ> they are scsi, but retrofit to SAS/SATA shouldn't be too expensive
09:48 <@RangerZ> and then freenas and gone
09:49 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: new backplane, new cables, new controller
09:49 <@oddball> RangerZ: Yeah... this was from when my NAS box died and ate 2 of the 4 drives that were in it a while back.
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09:49 <@Evilpig> nah... not expensive at all.
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09:49 <@RangerZ> 100 controller, (comes with cables) and 25$ backblane
09:49 <@RangerZ> funny enough... the drives are what are going to be the biggest investment
09:54 <@oddball> oh... but we still have a copy of all her fucking Glee music.  That's a relief.
09:55 < aestetix> RangerZ: what I have long said.... there are two things that thrive on exponential growth: startups and cancer
09:55 <@RangerZ> the guy I bought them off of tried to pass off 'windows' installed for me as a 'big favor'
09:55 <@RangerZ> no windows CD Key sticker on the case
09:56 <@RangerZ> and not even a verified copy (at time of install)
09:56 < aestetix> FCKGW-RHQQ2
09:56 < aestetix> the key so commonly used it has its own wikipedia page
09:57 <@RangerZ> lol
09:57 <@RangerZ> I wasn't even aware of that
09:57 <@RangerZ> now a days I get so many free or 10$ keys from MSFT I just stop caring
09:58 <@RangerZ> but back on track... my point was... these systems were NOT something he should have been selling
09:58 <@RangerZ> apparently he was the 'paid recycling company' that some local bigger company uses
09:58 <@RangerZ> for e-waste
09:58 <@RangerZ> 'waste'
09:59 <@RangerZ> I was like "this is why we can't have nice things, b/c of asshats like this", *shrugs*
09:59 < aestetix> oddball: that sounds like grounds for divorce
09:59 < aestetix> I mean it could be worse. It could have been your porn collection
09:59 <@RangerZ> aestetix: no, he can never divorce HER
10:00 <@RangerZ> she would kick his ass
10:02 <@RangerZ> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/23/donald-trump-is-on-course-to-win-the-1237-delegates-he-needs-to-be-the-gop-nominee/
10:02 < PigBot> Title: Donald Trump is on course to win the 1,237 delegates he needs to be the GOP nominee - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/hvpz9qn
10:02 <@RangerZ> how hard would it have been to add 200 more deligates total
10:02 <@RangerZ> they are made up #s anyways
10:02 <@RangerZ> oddball: did you buy Diablo 3 when it came out?
10:03 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: You'll appreciate this... I coded my entire error reporting system so that 'Error 37' is what students will get when their code doesn't compile. hehe
10:04 <@RangerZ> debated between that and 'can not connect', but they will see 37 more this way, hehe
10:04 < aestetix> RangerZ: you should give them Error THX-1138
10:04 <@oddball> Nope.  Still haven't bought it.
10:09 <@RangerZ> ID10T error
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10:09 <@RangerZ> mind you '37' is a little easier to fit in since it is prime...
10:20 <@RangerZ> oddball: its actually worth picking up now if you want a mindless 'diablo' game
10:20 < aestetix> ugh
10:20 < aestetix> anyone worked with varnish?
10:21 <@RangerZ> yeah
10:21 <@RangerZ> get a nice terrycloth lint free rag, and get your artistic eye going as you wipe it on
10:22  * RangerZ I'll be here all weekend folks, and remember to tip your waitress, and that we have happy hour from 5 to 7
10:22 <@oddball> RangerZ: Yeah, but I've got a couple of those.  Hell, Marvel's "MMO" is basically a diablo clone and it's free.
10:22 <@oddball> aestetix: a couple times.
10:22 <@oddball> oh, you're talking about software.  Nevermind.
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10:36 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJZJ_T1sTxA a video of people actually playing properly
10:36 < PigBot> Title: Lets Play Cyanide & Happiness Joking Hazard - Kinda Funny Plays - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jm44z99
10:36 <@RangerZ> they have beta set
10:38 <@RangerZ> now I actually have a better feeling for the game
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11:33 <@Mirage_> anyone know if Oracle still require relinking after a kernel update?
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11:42 <@oddball> Damnit.  Weird Al is playing the Grand Ole Opry the day before Hypericon.  I'm going to guess that I'm busy setting up that night. :/
11:44 <@Mirage> oddball: delegate
11:44 <@Dolemite> Yeah, some things are more important
11:45 <@Mirage> He puts on a great show..or at least he did when I saw him last in '92
11:45 <@RangerZ> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-idUSKCN0VW03S
11:45 < PigBot> Title: Oil drops 4 pct after Saudi oil min rules out production cuts | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) http://tinyurl.com/zjagz22
11:45 <@RangerZ> news like this makes me glad that I have no investments ;)
11:45 <@oddball> Oh, he's put on a great show every time I've seen him.
11:45 <@RangerZ> because everyone's 401k lost ~2% today, or it will shortly
11:45 <@Dolemite> Of course, this being Nashville, I'm sure that the Ticketmasterbaterbots are snatching them all up to put on StubHub for $500 each.
11:45 <@oddball> (including last summer)
11:46 <@Mirage> RangerZ: which is only a problem if you're looking to cash out.
11:46 <@RangerZ> Mirage: yeah, but people 'think' like they are
11:46 <@Dolemite> It just means that our same amount of money can purchase more shares of the stocks while it's down
11:47 <@Mirage> Dolemite: +1
11:49 <@RangerZ> http://www.slashgear.com/this-is-the-htc-vive-consumer-edition-23428661/ first pics that i've seen that aren't 'offical' ones, if anyone is curious
11:53 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: Sure, if you're dumb enough to believe this is as low as it will go, go right ahead
11:54 <@Dolemite> I never stated that it was at bottom
11:54 <@oddball> I think the best advice I've heard is "don't try to play the market.  You will lose."
11:54 <@Dolemite> Just that our dollars have power to purchase more shares
11:55 <@oddball> invest and leave it there.
11:55 <@Dagmar> They're also green.  Neither of these impacts whether or not investing in oil speculation anytime soon
11:55 <@Dolemite> I keep putting in the same amount of money.  Over long periods of time it goes up.  Sometimes it goes down, but generally speaking it goes up.  I don't watch it more than maybe once a quarter.
11:55 <@Dagmar> ...is anything other than a bad idea
11:55 <@RangerZ> oddball: did I show you the math I did that showed how a solar panel kit (purchased wisely) is a better investment than a 'top 25% market fund' over a 10 year period
11:55 <@Dolemite> Ok, time for a meeting.  Yay!
11:56 <@RangerZ> I did that like ~3 years go
11:56 <@oddball> RangerZ: no, you didn't.
11:56 <@RangerZ> maybe 2
11:56 <@Dagmar> "Big oil" is presently trying to kill any chance of other countries gaining financial independence from them.
11:56 <@Dagmar> Specifically _us_
11:56 <@Dagmar> They'll drive oil down to being cheaper than water if they have to
11:56 <@RangerZ> s/_us_/_US_
11:56 <@RangerZ> sorry Dagmar ... i had to, lol
11:58 <@Dagmar> I'm kinda thinking it wouldn't be such a bad thing if the Middle East got ahold of a few nukes
11:58 <@RangerZ> oddball: yeah, basically since solar panels have somewhat 'plateaued' in their drops (they have dropped 99% in the last 20 years or something like that)
11:58 <@Dagmar> ...except the Chinese would burn the irridated gasoline and not care a fig
12:00 <@oddball> "drops" as in drop in price?
12:00 <@RangerZ> yes, the price
12:00 <@RangerZ> maybe 25 years at this point
12:02 <@RangerZ> so now the upfront investment of a NON-tie-in solar panel system is ~1k inverter (for a really good one) 1k for non-hydrogen producing deep cycle batteries, and 3k in panels ~1k in misc cables/fittings/etc
12:02 <@RangerZ> so ~6k to produce ~3kwatt worth of power
12:03 <@RangerZ> and thats worst case basically
12:03 <@Dagmar> ...and then be charged for it by the sity
12:03 <@RangerZ> nope
12:03 <@RangerZ> thats why you don't do a tie-in system
12:03 <@Dagmar> Well, maybe not here yet
12:03 <@Dagmar> I find it absurd that some places are making it illegal to go off-grid
12:03 <@RangerZ> you just power a secondary HVAC or something else
12:04 <@RangerZ> 'best' way would be DC power within the walls directly (2nd power distribution system _within_ the house) but thats really unrealistic for all but 'new' builds
12:06 <@RangerZ> but the main point was... you would get free power for 10 years, and then in 10 years you would be able to sell the equipment for ~1/2 price (if trends hold true, but even if not, solar panels only lose like ~0.015% per year or something stupid with modern manf.
12:06 <@RangerZ> 'free', but you get my point
12:07 <@Dagmar> How to demonstrate to the world that you just took LSD for the first time last week and are _super excited_ about it: http://qualiacomputing.com/2015/05/22/how-to-secretly-communicate-with-people-on-lsd/
12:07 <@RangerZ> and -without- subsidides, TN yo ucould pay for 'off grid' system within 7~8 years
12:07 <@oddball> Assuming no damage to system and that you can find a buyer.
12:07 <@Dagmar> That article is just silly, and yes I probably do qualify as an "expert" on LSD
12:07 <@RangerZ> yeah, but 'damage' would be covered under home owners insurance
12:08 <@RangerZ> but in reality there is basically no 'reason' to sell after 10 years
12:08 <@oddball> I doubt it if they decide it's normal wear and tear.
12:08 <@RangerZ> but that is generally how 'the math' is done on investments
12:08 <@Dagmar> "For a sober person the game would look like an incomprehensible bundle of dots, edges, colors, sounds, etc. But a person sufficiently zonked would perceive crystal-clear images and easy-to-infer objectives."
12:08 <@Dagmar> loooool
12:09 <@oddball> Dagmar: mayyyyyyybe
12:09 <@Mirage> Dagmar: and NL while sober
12:09 <@RangerZ> oddball: 'normal wear and tear' on solar panels is basically non-existant, unless you put it near trees (which is just stupid for a lot of reasons)
12:10 <@RangerZ> and you can cover them with plexiglass for installation, etc.
12:10 <@oddball> true
12:10 <@RangerZ> (they actually already come that way)
12:11 <@Mirage> RangerZ: I think that depends on the location.  I bet there is a god deal more "wear and tear" in areas like West TX, New Mexico, Arizona, etc due to sand and wind
12:11 <@RangerZ> yeah, but 'real people' don't actually live in those places
12:11 <@Dagmar> I'm gonna say straight out that the author has no fucking clue
12:12 <@RangerZ> so its not an issue
12:12 <@RangerZ> lol
12:12 <@Dagmar> People are on LSD aren't going to see anything specific with crystal-clarity
12:12 <@Mirage> That would also depend on there not being any breakthroughs in efficiency while maintaining about the same production cost.
12:12 <@RangerZ> but in all seriousness, yeah, its different per area
12:12 <@Dagmar> They will be too busy hallucinating
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12:13 <@Dagmar> This guy doesn't realize all the experimentation he talks about was done in the 90s... by ravers
12:14 <@Dagmar> ...on giant ass screens
12:14 <@oddball> heh
12:14 <@Dagmar> ...with very large testing groups.
12:14 <@oddball> ...and on ravers :p
12:14 <@Dagmar> Yes.
12:17 <@RangerZ> oddball: I basically ignore the concept of 'selling' solar ever, even if it future price drops, a lot of the investment is 'not' the solar panels themselves, plus you already are getting your power supplied, etc.
12:18 <@oddball> Which is probably the better way to look at it.
12:19 <@RangerZ> but what amazed me was that PV solar is basically 'useless' when it comes to 'solar heat'
12:19 <@RangerZ> basically water cooling your house, or water heating your house/pre-hot water tank
12:20 <@RangerZ> the efficiency ratings are insane for that
12:20 <@Dagmar> Eventually people will learn to build down, not up
12:20 <@RangerZ> in middle TN
12:20 <@RangerZ> 'sure'
12:21 <@oddball> One thing I would definitely look at if I was actually building a house is concrete instead of wood frame.
12:21 <@Dagmar> At least half the new developments start out by scraping the landscape _flat_ to build on it
12:22 <@Dagmar> This thing, whatever it is, going on at Charlotte and I-40 in West Nashville is the first time I've ever seen anyone _build up_ to earthworks to that degreee
12:22 <@Dagmar> We tend to bulldoze the tops off hills and then have to put back a measly 6 inches of topsoil before we build
12:23 <@RangerZ> oddball: yeah, and there are LOTS of 'different' types of concrete types to look into too, papercrete for on the cheap, fiber mesh backed instead of rebar (for certain appliations)
12:23 <@oddball> And, frome what I've seen, all of them do a better job of insulation than wood framed.
12:24  * RangerZ not like I actually took draftsman classes, mechanical drawing and architectural drawing or anything...
12:24 <@RangerZ> lol
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12:24 <@RangerZ> concrete has serious issues though
12:25 <@RangerZ> too rigid for one
12:25 <@oddball> Yeah, I've heard it's a bitch when it comes to actually maintenance.
12:25 <@RangerZ> massive amounts of CO2 production
12:25 <@RangerZ> thats a 'social' impact
12:25 <@RangerZ> but still
12:26 <@RangerZ> and with fracking 'waste water' wells lubricating old faults that hadn't shook in hundreds of thousands of years....
12:30 <@RangerZ> but honestly its biggest problem is tha when you hit someone over the head with a moderate size chunk of it, you don't get as good of satisfying feeling of the thud reverberating through the natural rock
12:30 <@RangerZ> ... i mean...
12:36 < aestetix> I just got a new idea for a troll
12:39 <@Dagmar> You were misinformed.  Concrete actually sequesters CO2
12:41 <@Dagmar> One of the issues the "let's build a completely enclosed habitat and live inside it for a year"
12:41 <@Dagmar> ...people ran into.  CO2 was mysteriously disappearing in small amounts that they couldn't account for.  The concrete the place was built with was still ever so slightly curing and absorbing the CO2.
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13:11 <@oddball> Hell, if I could convince Naienko of it, I'd find a hillside and build a me-sized hobbit hole.
13:29 < aestetix> penis
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16:16 < dasunt> FFS, could we please not do requests at the last minute?
16:16  * dasunt fumes at coworkers.
16:17 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: That's what you get for answering the phone.
16:17 < dasunt> _NSAKEY: I got *paged* because I didn't answer my phone.
16:18 < dasunt> Y'know, 'cause I wasn't in my office because I was too busy doing other shit that needed to get done before 5:30 today.
16:19 < dasunt> Oh, and this is cute - after dumping this on me, the person just ups and leaves.
16:20  * dasunt is a little ball of hate.
16:25  * dasunt now has to deal with the phone system to configure a new line:  hate it growing.
16:29 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUG-5kLRjeY
16:29 < PigBot> Title: Mystery Men (3/10) Movie CLIP - Mr. Furious Holds Back (1999) HD - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ho7f2tn
16:41  * Catonic is a big ball of hate.
16:43  * Catonic is a big ball of hate, self-loathing, regret... pretty much weapons-grade highly-refined hate.
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17:09 <@Evilpig> oddball: are you on the weird al mailing list?
17:12 <@Evilpig> http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1B0050529F5E4CEB
17:12 < PigBot> Title: Tickets | Weird Al Yankovic - Nashville TN at Ticketmaster (at www.ticketmaster.com) http://tinyurl.com/huoyvb3
17:15  * Catonic twitches
17:20 <@oddball> Evilpig: Apparently you didn't see me bitch about the date
17:20 <@oddball> It's the night before Hypericon... which means I'll be busy.
17:29 <@Evilpig> I just want the presale code.
17:40 <@oddball> And to answer your question, I am.
17:41 <@Evilpig> and does that mean you have the magic password??
17:42 <@oddball> I'd have to look
17:43 < dasunt> Okay.
17:43 < dasunt> Still at work, and it's 5:43.  Fuck.
17:43 < dasunt> Fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
17:43 <@Dagmar> oddball: You're on the board, aren'
17:43 <@Dagmar> t you?
17:43 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: don't derail him yet.  he's on a mission of vital importance already
17:43 <@oddball> Of Hypericon?  Yes.  And one of the directors.
17:44 <@Dagmar> No, of Nashville 2600
17:44 <@oddball> ah, no.
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17:44 <@Dagmar> oh then I *did* get everyone
17:44 <@Dagmar> Okay then
17:44 <@oddball> Naienko promised pain, not just on me, but on anyone that voted for me to be on the board.
17:45 < dasunt> Clusterfuck #2 is still going strong.
17:49 <@oddball> ah, apparently there's a *new* email list to join.
17:50 <@Dagmar> No, We just set up a Slack is all
17:50 <@Dagmar> You weren't at the board meeting so I spaced and left you out
17:50 <@Dagmar> Being that I'm not wholly clear on what we're doing with the thing, you'll probably get an invite in the next couple of days anyway
17:51 <@Dagmar> hehe
17:51 <@oddball> I was talking about the Weird Al thing.
17:51 <@Dagmar> Ah
17:51 <@Evilpig> oddball: damnit.  I think that's the one I just signed up for.  it's the same service primus is using
17:53 <@oddball> Dagmar: So, Google Hangouts was determined to not be sufficent?  (I've never used Slack)
17:53 <@Dagmar> There's some powerful advantages to Slack
17:53 <@Dagmar> For one, it's architected like IRC
17:54 <@Dagmar> We can do file dumps, as well as (and this is important) ad-hoc working groups
17:54 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I still think it's funny that mentioning using actual IRC is so heavily frowned upon.
17:54 <@oddball> Ah.  Yeah.  That second bit is handy
17:54 < _NSAKEY> Nobody wants to talk about that.
17:55 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Can you do the first portion of this? https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/201727913-Connecting-to-Slack-over-IRC-and-XMPP
17:55 < PigBot> Title: Connecting to Slack over IRC and XMPP Slack Help Center (at get.slack.help) http://tinyurl.com/pxu3ons
17:55 < _NSAKEY> I really don't want to use anything except irssi, unless I'm just forced to.
18:00 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: I used to connect to slack via irc
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18:03 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Done
18:03 <@Dagmar> SSL required, mind you
18:04 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: By the way... I'm pretty sure as an admin you were probably able to do that yourself.
18:21 <@Dagmar> Apparently there was a UI change for the Hangouts web interface I just didn't have before the board meeting
18:40 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I wasn't aware you made me an admin.
18:42 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I also avoid services that don't use SSL, so SSL as a requirement is fine.
18:43 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Good to know. I don't care for funky web 2.0 garbage on a desktop.
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20:43 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: FYI hangouts is being scrapped in next version of Android
20:43 <@RangerZ> as is SMS/text/etc
20:43 <@RangerZ> they are going to a unified system, similar to apple's
20:43 <@RangerZ> where those are just 'inputs' for your 'communications'
20:51 <@RangerZ> but all the 'apps' will be tied together
20:57 <@eryc> http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/23/11099634/htc-vive-vr-headset-mwc-2016
20:57 < PigBot> eryc: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
20:58 <@RangerZ> eryc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGitWxzPhao
20:58 < PigBot> Title: GDC 2016: Sony PlayStation VR Presentation and Hands-On Demos Coming Soon - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/haup8sv
20:58 <@RangerZ> march 15th in san fran (press event)
20:58 <@RangerZ> I'm expecting price+date then
20:59 <@RangerZ> and Sony's non-hatred for PC games interacting with PS games... I can -only- hope that PSVR can work with PC too
21:00 <@eryc> yea you just need to install their driver SonyVRtkit.exe
21:01 <@RangerZ> lol
21:01 <@RangerZ> yeah, sony was stupid about that
21:05 <@RangerZ> if Apple wasn't so fucking profitable I'd tell Sony that it needs to be less 'proprietary' with its shit
21:10 <@RangerZ> but thankfully sony has been actually 'acting' pro-consumer lately
21:10 <@RangerZ> since PlayStation is the only profitable part of the company now a days
21:11  * RangerZ knows that it is still profit-motive to 'act' pro-consumer, but still, I'll take it when I can get it
22:48 <@oddball> RangerZ: No no... go ahead and tell them that proprietary sucks.  Just look at the Sony Memory Stick.
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22:55 <@Dagmar> Awesome
22:55 <@Dagmar> Comcast's On Demand is empty tonight for some reason
22:57 <@RangerZ> http://www.wptv.com/news/world/egyptian-toddler-sentenced-to-life-in-prison_
22:57 < PigBot> Title: Egyptian Toddler Sentenced To Life In Prison - wptv.com (at www.wptv.com) http://tinyurl.com/z3ykotm
22:57 <@RangerZ> "mass trials"
22:58 <@RangerZ> and just 'convicting them'
22:58 <@Dagmar> Crazy
23:00 <@RangerZ> so I was very pleased with NPR's coverage of the apple/fbi nonsense
23:01 <@RangerZ> and the EFF rep on there brought up a good point I hadn't thought about (mainly b/c I haven't really thought about the specifics of the case much) but...
23:01 <@RangerZ> they want to 'force' apple to use its 'private' signing key to include software/features 'it wants' into Apple's software
23:02 <@RangerZ> thats "BAD" enough when it comes to phones
23:02 <@RangerZ> but... the precident (sp?) would allow them to do that to MSFT or Google, or the Mozilla Foundation, etc.
23:03 <@RangerZ> let alone allowing the UK's GCHQ, or China, or Russia, etc.
23:03 <@RangerZ> "well you did it in USA, if you want to operate in our country, you must allow us to do it too"
23:06 <@RangerZ> I'm sorry Linus, you 'must' include this NSA backdoor into the linux kernel
23:06 <@RangerZ> or else you won't be allowed to leave the US, b/c you'll be in 'contempt of court'
23:06 <@RangerZ> and can be held -indefinately- in that case
23:55 < aestetix> damn
23:55 < aestetix> how about that Trump
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