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00:00 < aestetix> god german is insane
00:00 < aestetix> the inversions are killing me
00:11 <@RangerZ> aestetix: thedailybeast.com have fun. Its like a game... find all the anti-bernie/pro-hilary articles
00:16 < aestetix> lol
00:16 < aestetix> that's the rag that Adrian Lamo kept piping his bullshit through during the wikileaks drama
00:21 <@RangerZ> sad thing is... they DO have good works on there (occassionally)
00:21 < aestetix> I've actually been listening to Rush Limbaugh
00:21 < aestetix> it's so fun hearing the GOP implode
00:21 <@RangerZ> but its mostly "3rd way-Corpritist 'democrat'" stuff
00:22 <@RangerZ> Sam Seder has a piece he does called "random rush" where he randomly listens to rush for 60 seconds and then explains it
00:22 <@RangerZ> its really funny/informative about the right wing
00:23 < aestetix> actually
00:23 < aestetix> Trump is like a more polished version of Rush
00:23 <@RangerZ> more like Trump is the personifcation of what Rush/et.al. have been propping up as the 'ideal' republican for decades
00:24 < aestetix> I thought they were propping up Buckley as the ideal
00:24 < aestetix> Trump is like the anti-Buckley
00:24 <@RangerZ> billionaire, doesn't use 'politically correct' speech, hates minorities(but says he loves them), attacks the press
00:25 <@RangerZ> nah, 'buckley' is just the fig leaf that the intellectuals pretend to be shooting for
00:25 < aestetix> indeed
00:25 <@RangerZ> the 'intellectuals' of the Republican Party have 1) became Democrats 2) died 3) are crying over this election
00:25 < aestetix> Christopher Hitchens for example was a Buckley wannabe
00:26 < aestetix> so is Richard dawkins
00:26 <@RangerZ> 'aaaaa.... huh'
00:27 <@RangerZ> what in the world makes you say that?
00:27 < aestetix> Simple. Buckley had a depth that both of them want but neither have.
00:28 <@RangerZ> ahh, I was going to say... b/c he was a strict Catholic
00:28 < aestetix> lol I know that
00:28 < aestetix> That's more of a personal thing too. Although I would have loved to see them debate that.
00:29 < aestetix> I'm sure Buckley would destroy both of them at once.
00:29 < aestetix> Personal as in Buckley never made his religion part of the main course.
00:30 <@RangerZ> Though I think Dawkins perhaps, I think Hitchens was often underestimated
00:30 <@RangerZ> Dawkins is too dismissive, whereas Hitchens at least tries to see where you are coming from to tell you that you are wrong for beliving in sky gods
00:31 < aestetix> right
00:31 < aestetix> and unlike either of them, Buckley actually knew theology.
00:31 < aestetix> Dawkins/Hitchens and all the new atheists go for tenor points. They just bring up the inquisition and other crap and demand that the Church justifies it.
00:32 < aestetix> I strongly doubt either of them could, for example, debate the merits of Aquinas's points about the trinity. Buckley could.
00:33 <@RangerZ> don't know, I personally don't know much about aquinas's finer points myself
00:33 < aestetix> RangerZ: i've been inspired to read it because apparently Dante's Inferno was basically a satire of Aquinas
00:34 <@RangerZ> but I also don't care about the metaphysical
00:34 < aestetix> RangerZ: but it also influences philosophy in general
00:34 < aestetix> I mean, early Catholic theologicans were heavily influenced by the neoPlatonists
00:34  * RangerZ shrugs
00:34 <@RangerZ> honestly I don't 'care'
00:34 <@RangerZ> I mean... i 'do'
00:34 < aestetix> And likewise, folks like Nietzsche, Marx, and so on were
00:35 < aestetix> right right
00:35 <@RangerZ> but not enough to actually look into it too much
00:35 < aestetix> but what I am getting at
00:35 < aestetix> There is a depth there that neither Hitchens nor Dawkins possesses.
00:35 <@RangerZ> OH I get your point
00:36 < aestetix> Dawkins debates with points that remind me of a college freshman./
00:36 <@RangerZ> and? how is that bad? media "should be" targeted at an 8th grade reading level
00:36 <@RangerZ> and 3rd grade in GOP primary
00:36 <@RangerZ> lol
00:37 < aestetix> It's not bad in itself, except when it parades as intellectual vigour.
00:38 < aestetix> And Dawkins is also training a generation of zealout atheists who yell and scream. It's similar to the so-called liberals at universities who censor anything they don't like.
00:38 < aestetix> such as vagina
00:41 <@RangerZ> I dunno, I think you are lumping the two together too much, both "Atheism" and 'new athiests', etc. have changed dramatically since hitchens died
00:42 < aestetix> how?
00:42 <@RangerZ> Also, you have the cause/effect cycle that is producing the 'followers', moreso than you have the individuals creating them
00:42 <@RangerZ> "The Internet"
00:42 <@RangerZ> "Social Media"
00:42 < aestetix> you mean tumblr
00:42 <@RangerZ> no, i mean its reach/impact
00:42 <@RangerZ> of course both existed before 2008
00:42 <@RangerZ> but Twitter/etc didn't become big until then
00:43 <@RangerZ> Hitchens died in what... 08/09 ?
00:43 < aestetix> dunno
00:43 <@RangerZ> 2011*
00:43 <@RangerZ> but still, thats 5 years ago, even assuming he was active until that date
00:45 <@RangerZ> I look at how much "feminism" has changed in the last few years
00:45 < aestetix> If you're suggesting that new atheists have the same intellectual acumen as Trump supporters, I agree
00:45 <@RangerZ> no, I'm suggesting that basically we exist in a different world now
00:46 < aestetix> I don't think the world has changed that much, except that everyone has gotten a bit dumber thanks to twitter
00:46 <@RangerZ> I honestly have no idea of the 'finer points' of 'new athiests', but that seems to be the point, with a lot of these new terms, there is no defining body that declares what is what.
00:46 < aestetix> well and Shadow404 probably uses butt plugs more than he did 5 years ago
00:47 <@RangerZ> I -honestly- have no idea of the ideology of feminists like crazypants, etc.
00:51 <@RangerZ> the film, Religulous (2008) for example was probably a watershed moment. I watched it and thought it was funny. my girl at the time didn't like it b/c it was too mocking. But At that point, I think the 'movement' needed to shift from 'outreach' (which the 4 horsemen of Atheism were great for) and more into a 'how to improve things'
00:51 < aestetix> Is that a satire based on caligula?
00:52 <@RangerZ> no, more of a documentary, but with comedy in it. ... but basically they never moved into "just call yourself a Deist/agnostic, instead of 'athiest', because then it is easier to gain political power"
00:53 <@RangerZ> they never transitioned from 'outreach' into 'organization building' ... or if they did... it sucked
00:53 <@RangerZ> plus, we're back to the same "issue" that we've discussed several times
00:54 <@RangerZ> "leaderless-movements are now doomed because of social media"
00:54 <@RangerZ> it is TOO EASY to co-op a movement
00:55 <@RangerZ> be it '5 guys and fries, and the web of gaming journalism nepotism/etc' ... turning into -> conservative topic "gamer gate"
00:55 <@RangerZ> OWS
00:56 <@RangerZ> BLM to a lesser degree because they DO have the community organizers
00:58 <@RangerZ> but look at how Ferguson went, a few people were used as the rationale for cracking down on everyone
01:00 <@RangerZ> the cops even turned down news cameras (for no reason) because they felt imboldened. those in authority feel that way when they feel that they are the 'righteous' side, especially when there is a scape-goat on the other side
01:00 <@RangerZ> same IRL as online
01:00 <@RangerZ> and of course, 'tumblr'
01:00 <@RangerZ> hehe
01:02 < aestetix> so I think it is logical to conclude that Evilpig is personally responsible for the shit level of discourse in the US
01:02 < aestetix> all he had to do was kamikaze on tumblr
01:02 <@RangerZ> no
01:03 <@RangerZ> he would have had to blow the building
01:03 <@RangerZ> and he would have ended up killing someone
01:03 < aestetix> worth it
01:03 <@RangerZ> it would have been better if he re-directed tumblr -> hope's site
01:04 < aestetix> especially if he took down yahoo at the same time
01:04 <@RangerZ> how do you kill yahoo? as the imortal word of south park about WOW gamers... How do you kill that which has no soul ?
01:05 <@RangerZ> hehe
01:05 < aestetix> that's easy. use mod_rewrite so that all http requests return goatse
01:06 <@RangerZ> no
01:06 <@RangerZ> send them a custom CSS that re-skins 4chan/b/
01:06 <@RangerZ> then send them there inside an iframe
01:07 <@RangerZ> "congrats, you have been selected because of your influential use of Tumblr to participate in a trial run of Tumblr 2.0"
01:07 <@RangerZ> then then just walk away
01:08 <@RangerZ> let nature take its course
01:28 <@RangerZ> http://www.destructoid.com/go-on-sign-up-for-a-nintendo-account-342029.phtml
01:28 < PigBot> Title: Go on, sign up for a Nintendo Account (at www.destructoid.com) http://tinyurl.com/jp294py
01:34 <@RangerZ> also...
01:34 <@RangerZ> from the "fuck this news story" dept....
01:34 <@RangerZ> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3034028/security/apple-ordered-to-assist-in-unlocking-iphone-used-by-san-bernardino-attacker.html
01:34 < PigBot> Title: Apple ordered to assist in unlocking iPhone used by San Bernardino attacker | PCWorld (at www.pcworld.com) http://tinyurl.com/zh3kchu
01:37 <@RangerZ> because ...“What the court is essentially ordering Apple to do is custom-build malware to undermine its own product’s security features, and then cryptographically sign that software so the iPhone will trust it as coming from Apple,”...
01:37 <@RangerZ> That could NEVER GO WRONG
02:16 <@Dagmar> Or, they could just ask the NSA to lend them the firmware they have
02:17 <@Dagmar> ...because I'm pretty sure they have already snatched copies of Apple's signing key
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05:39 < aestetix> man
05:39 < aestetix> between bash, grep, awk, and sed, there is not much you cannot do
05:39 < aestetix> well except for getting laid
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06:44 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:06  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:18 < aestetix> god I hate systemd
07:25 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Is there an init system that you don't hate?
07:30 < aestetix> qdos
07:31 < _NSAKEY> Before MS bought it?
07:32 < aestetix> lol yes
07:32 < aestetix> or... what was it called
07:32 < aestetix> qpm?
07:32 < _NSAKEY> It was QDOS before MSDOS.
07:32 < _NSAKEY> CP/M?
07:32 < aestetix> yes
07:32 < aestetix> thank you
07:33 < _NSAKEY> Have you tried anything that uses OpenRC?
07:33 < aestetix> no
07:34 < aestetix> this is making me think of all the snowden groupies who have no idea what qdos or cp/m are
07:34 < _NSAKEY> Heh.
07:35 < _NSAKEY> You know, FreeDOS is a thing...
07:35 < _NSAKEY> Just don't expect it to be able to use more than one CPU core, or a lot of other things.
07:35 < aestetix> hahaha
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07:36 < _NSAKEY> Dell even sold computers with FreeDOS pre-installed at one point.
07:37 < _NSAKEY> https://www.dell.com/content/learnmore/learnmore.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~id=os_freedos_dimen&~line=desktops&~mode=popup&~series=dimen
07:37 < PigBot> 'Title: Find a Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Server, Printer, Software, Service, Monitor or TV at Dell. | Dell (at www.dell.com) <!DOCTYPE html>\n<!--[if lt IE 7]> <html class="no-js ie6 oldie" lang="en-US"> <![endif]-->\n<!--[if IE 7]>    <html class="no-js ie7 oldie" lang="en-US"> <![endif]-->\n<!--[if IE 8]>    <html class="no-js ie8 oldie" lang="en-US"> <![endif]-->\n<!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> <html class="no-js" lang="en-US"> <!--<![endif]-->\n<head>\n<meta http-e
07:37 <@Evilpig> lol
07:38 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: At least you have choices. Just don't expect any of the software you have to use to work on something like FreeDOS.
07:39 < aestetix> BeOS is where it's at.
07:39 < _NSAKEY> I've been lightly playing with alpine for the last few weeks.
07:39 < _NSAKEY> With this recent glibc vuln, I might get more serious about that.
07:40 < aestetix> btw
07:40 < aestetix> wtf is up with thunderbird? I moved all my mail to mutt, and searching/etc is all so much faster now
07:40 < aestetix> and no huge memory overhead
07:40 < aestetix> like thunderbird would just freeze up my whole system every few minutes.
07:40 < _NSAKEY> My FreeBSD adventures have mostly been fun, but I have this one problem that crops up every time the php packages upgrade. I have to uninstall the memcache port and reinstall  it. It's annoying.
07:41 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You just weren't throwing enough hardware at the problem.
07:41 < _NSAKEY> Mozilla's shit has always been bad about sucking up memory, and the devs have always feigned ignorance about it until after they've fixed some giant memory leak.
07:42 < _NSAKEY> That's one thing I've noticed about them over the years, and they were doing that before they decided to go out of their way to drive users away with shitty UIs that no actual user wanted.
07:42 < _NSAKEY> I won't even use Firefox anymore except for Tor Browser sessions, and there are two reasons for that.
07:42 < aestetix> yeah Brave should be interesting
07:43 <@Evilpig> porn and conspiracy theories?
07:43 < aestetix> especially given that it's headed by the guy Mozilla's shareholders ousted
07:43 < _NSAKEY> 1. I trust the security of vanilla chrome over vanilla firefox. e.g. The flash plugin sandboxing in chrome.
07:43 < aestetix> Indeed. I like that flash is enabled in chrome without needing to be installed on my system
07:43 < _NSAKEY> 2. Linux starts crying if I try to run Tor Browser and Firefox at the same time.
07:44 < _NSAKEY> I'd rather have Tor Browser's hardening patches, so my vanilla firefox installation just takes up disk space.
07:44 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Yeah, and Chrome does proper sandboxing of the plugin too.
07:46 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: wait, does Tor Browser and Firefox share libraries?
07:46 < aestetix> b/c that sounds like a great opportunity for information leakage
07:48 <@Evilpig> aestetix: they're both firefox
07:49 <@Evilpig> the tor browser version just has some js shit disabled by default and the proxy set to use the tor client
07:49 < aestetix> that's not the issue
07:49 < aestetix> the issue is shared libraries
07:50 < aestetix> IE I thought the tor browser bundle would be statically linked
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08:00 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: They do more than that.
08:00 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I stand corrected.
08:00 < _NSAKEY> That weird behavior used to happen for me, but I last tried it over a year ago.
08:01 < _NSAKEY> That still isn't going to make me start using vanilla firefox though.
08:03 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Firefox doesn't go nearly as far as TBB in terms of anti-fingerprinting techniques, and as far as I know firefox doesn't really do hardened builds.
08:05 < _NSAKEY> If they do, it's probably not to the degree that the TBB team does.
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08:27 <@Evilpig> hahaha http://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/make_me_a_sandwich.png
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08:55 < aestetix> btw, re: apple
08:55 < aestetix> while I applaud their stance, I don't believe them.
08:55 < aestetix> I'm unconvinced there isn't a backdoor built into the phones
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08:56 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You're probably right, but fuck the police.
08:57 < aestetix> I mean, given that Apple's customer base buys new hardware every year, that means they forget about things easily. So why would they care about encryption?
08:57 < aestetix> I think it's less a selling point, and more a fuck you to the government point.
08:57 < _NSAKEY> That makes it a perfectly valid point in my book.
08:58 < aestetix> Sure.
08:58 < aestetix> But don't conflate the two. And why would you trust Apple over the government?
08:58 < _NSAKEY> I'm not going to rush out and start buying Apple products, but we need bigger companies to tell the feds to go die in the nearest fire.
08:58 < aestetix> I prefer to trust neither.
08:59 < _NSAKEY> I don't trust Apple either, which is one reason I don't buy their products.
08:59 < aestetix> I got into an argument with someone about this at a conference a few months ago. He claimed that if news of an apple backdoor came out, it would kill their credibility.
08:59 < _NSAKEY> I had to use a macbook pro a few months ago to fix something for someone, and it was really nice, but I don't think I'd ever want to own one.
08:59 < aestetix> I argued that 99% of their customers don't actually use or care about encryption.
09:00 < aestetix> They care about stupid shit like their phone bending.
09:00 < _NSAKEY> If they haven't doored their disk encryption set-up, then what they're using for the newer phones is nice.
09:00 < _NSAKEY> Forced 80ms delay between password tries? Using the on-processor ID that can't be extracted as a salt? All good stuff.
09:01 < aestetix> If there is no backdoor to their system, then why don't they make their encryption code open source?
09:01 < _NSAKEY> ... Assuming it actually workms as advertised.
09:01 < _NSAKEY> *works
09:01 < _NSAKEY> Like I said above, I don't trust them and wouldn't use their products, but I like the fact that they're telling the government to go pound sand.
09:03 < _NSAKEY> The only way I'd see myself using Apple gear is if I went to work somewhere and they said, "We're giving you a work laptop. You get to choose between a macbook or this cheesy Lenovo over here."
09:03 < aestetix> cheesy lenovo?
09:03 < aestetix> you mean a thinkpad?
09:04 < _NSAKEY> Lenovo = Lolnovo, because of superfish, etc.
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09:36 <@Evilpig> haha http://i.imgur.com/TiycFOR.jpg  "XCom2 mod that reflects soldier accuracy."
09:37 <@Dagmar> heheh
09:38 <@Evilpig> a few times when i've had 85%+ chance to hit and those motherfuckers miss.  I just wanna put a red shirt on them and say buh-bye
09:42 <@RangerZ> https://www.rt.com/news/332669-genetically-modified-mosquitoes-zika/
09:42 < PigBot> Title: WHO backs GM mosquitoes & bacteria to fight Zika virus — RT News (at www.rt.com) http://tinyurl.com/hwr84xt
09:42 < _NSAKEY> That can't possibly go wrong.
09:43 <@RangerZ> despite the fact that some early research is liking the microcephaly to GMO mosquitoes in the first place
09:43 <@RangerZ> and of course.... its a subsidiary of Monsanto
09:44 <@RangerZ> GMOs aren't inherently bad
09:45 <@RangerZ> GMOs being controlled by a (mono|olig)arcy are
09:45 <@Dagmar> What about GMOs that trample whole cities?  Those aren't bad?
09:46 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I'm guessing the G in your version of GMO stands for "Gozilla," but what about M and O?
09:48 <@Dagmar> No, mainly I'm talking about six-story tall giant corn.
10:04 < aestetix> god I hate fauxminists
10:07 < aestetix> when did polerin become a fauxminist?
10:10 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/polerin/status/699989068713717760
10:10 < PigBot> Title: Erin OMallow on Twitter: "@aestetix @ashedryden If someone is making fucked up jokes/statements about trans people without directing them at me, still harassment" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hjm3g53
10:10 < aestetix> I'm not sure how to take this seriously.
10:11 <@Dagmar> Right about the time she started taking hormones she developed a serious victim complex
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10:11 < aestetix> I asked her to continue the chat in private for obvious reasons.
10:12 < aestetix> Seeing as I have been personally threatened over these issues by fascists who call themselves feminists.
10:12 <@Dagmar> She goes out of her way to find reasons to be offended by things, and to find reasons to decide things she doesn't like are directed at her
10:12 <@Dagmar> I stopped being able to deal with her
10:13 <@Dagmar> ...because with that standard in mind, "If I see it and I could be offended by it, then it was targeted at me" there is literally *no end* to the amount of harassment that takes place, thanks to the internet.
10:13 <@Dagmar> ...and that includes for you and me as well
10:13 <@Dagmar> If we adopt that same stance, we too can be harassed and abused by the rest of the human race, 24/7/365.
10:18 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: please stop haassing me, discussion of harassment is obviously a thinly vailed attempt to attack me
10:18 <@RangerZ> hehe
10:19 <@RangerZ> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-wants-apple-to-help-unlock-iphone-used-by-san-bernardino-shooter/2016/02/16/69b903ee-d4d9-11e5-9823-02b905009f99_story.html
10:19 < PigBot> Title: Apple vows to resist FBI demand to crack iPhone linked to San Bernardino attacks - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/hrz2a47
10:20 <@Dagmar> So here's the thing that's not being said
10:20 <@RangerZ> Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out
10:20 <@Dagmar> Wasn't Apple just a very short time ago, saying that they were deploying encryption that they, themselves could not break eveni if asked to?
10:21 <@Dagmar> Their blog post doesn't seem to be talking about this from the perspective of, "Even if we make this custom backdoored firmware, without the user's unlock code it won't affect anything"
10:21 <@RangerZ> yeah, but obviously that isn't the 'real' battle being waged
10:21 <@RangerZ> they want to legally make apple 'have to' do this
10:22 <@Dagmar> It's really all they should have to say
10:22 <@Dagmar> ...and they're not saying it.
10:22 <@RangerZ> even if it can't be done technically
10:22 <@Dagmar> ...which means they're basically admitting they lied to us before.
10:22 <@Dagmar> ...and that these phones _are_ decryptable if you compromise the OS.
10:22 <@RangerZ> THEN they will have a talking point for a law 'requireing' tech companies to BE ABLE TO do it
10:23 <@RangerZ> this battle isn't over 'just' this one phone
10:24 <@RangerZ> its just a great scape-goat for the pro-gov't-1984/v-for-vendetta-surveillance-types
10:25 <@RangerZ> 'national security' has now surpassed 'keeping the children safe'
10:27 <@RangerZ> I bet you that the FBI would be 'happier' if apple -couldn't- make the backdoor for this phone
10:27 <@RangerZ> that way they would have the talking-point
10:28 <@Dagmar> Digging more it looks like the main feature they're asking for is the ability to bypass the timeout on passcode entering so they can brute-force the code
10:29 <@RangerZ> its not even the timeout, its the '10-bad attempts and wipe' feature, that is the 'big' issue
10:30 <@RangerZ> if apple can't bypass the crypto, then the judge might as well have orded Apple to invent time travel
10:32 <@RangerZ> well... Evilpig ... there goes a grand
10:33 <@RangerZ> "For $1,000 the creators of Cyanide & Happiness will work with you to create three customized panel cards about you... "
10:34 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: It must have an obligatory reference to "Never stick your dick in crazy"
10:34 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: The only reason, supposedly, that the order may be technically possible to obey is because it's an older iPhone.
10:34 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you should spend the 1 grand and have one of the cards a QR code to goatse
10:34 < _NSAKEY> ... Which seems to me like the wind-up to a pitch about regularly upgrading your iDevice.
10:35 <@RangerZ> Dolemite: then Dagmar's card set would be "I only stick my dick in crazy" ?
10:35 <@RangerZ> hehe
10:35 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: And aestetix's would simply be 'penis'
10:42 <@RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/south-dakota-may-regulate-transgender-students-bathroom-use/2016/02/17/351eb8b4-d591-11e5-a65b-587e721fb231_story.html
10:42 < PigBot> Title: South Dakota may regulate transgender students’ bathroom use - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/jzuf6dg
10:42 <@RangerZ> point people towards shit like that instead of 'micro-aggression' BS
10:48 <@RangerZ> so... I'm surprised I haven't seen anything on this until now
10:48 <@RangerZ> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/02/hackers-are-holding-a-hospitals-patient-data-ransom/463008/
10:48 < PigBot> Title: A Los Angeles Hospital Is Paralyzed by a Ransomware Attack - The Atlantic (at www.theatlantic.com) http://tinyurl.com/zdrxrr5
10:50 <@RangerZ> "The fact that hackers were able to encrypt patient records doesn’t necessarily mean they gained access to those files"... Actually that is pretty much exactly what it means...
10:51 <@RangerZ> unless they designed a pro-ransomwware/pro-privacy system
10:51 <@Dagmar> If it was possible to encrypt files without having any access to them, Comcast would be having a lot of random outages right now
10:51 <@Dagmar> Well... more than usual.
10:53 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: don't envision encrypting comcast's billing system, and then throwing away the crypto keys
10:53 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
10:53 <@Dagmar> If this shit were possible, Comcast would be _done_
10:55 <@Dolemite> “When the flood waters subsided and rushed into the oceans there was no vegetation on the earth because the earth had been covered with water. . . . The dinosaurs on [Noah’s ark] may have been babies and not able to reproduce. . . . After the flood, the few remaining Behemoths and Leviathans may have become extinct because there was not enough vegetation on earth for them to survive to reproductive age.”
10:55 <@Dolemite> The author of that quote is running for School Board in TX...  the state that basically determines what school books get published and the other 49 states follow
10:56 <@RangerZ> FML
10:56 <@Dolemite> “Climate change has nothing to do with weather or climate, it’s all about system change from capitalism (free enterprise) to Socialism-Communism. The Climate Change HOAX was Karl Marx’s idea. It took time to ‘condition’ the people so they would believe such a HOAX!”
10:57 <@RangerZ> what...
10:57 <@RangerZ> thats not bible-thumper nonsese... that is pro-copritist bable-speak
10:57 <@Dolemite> “Obama has a soft spot for homosexuals because of the years he spent as a male prostitute in his twenties. That’s how he paid for his drugs. He has admitted he was addicted to drugs when he was young and he is sympathetic with homosexuals; but he hasn’t come out of the closet about his own homosexual/bisexual background.”
10:58 <@Dolemite> http://tfn.org/2016-elections-this-years-extremist-candidate-for-the-texas-state-board-of-education/
10:59 <@Dagmar> Wow.  If you want to see some fuckin' *liars* http://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/consumer-alert/critics-call-279-loan-a-debt-trap-for-poor
10:59 < PigBot> Title: Critics Call 279% Loan A Debt Trap For Poor - Story (at www.newschannel5.com) http://tinyurl.com/z2poakz
11:05 <@Dagmar> ...and because I am a giant dick, also reposted to the Nashville+ community
11:05 <@Dagmar> ...where I flat out call it slavery.
11:06 <@Dagmar> Why even *bother* mincing words about this
11:06 <@Dagmar> We had legislators decide this needed to be legal
11:06 <@Dagmar> Let's call some fuckers out
11:07 <@Dagmar> THey interviewed a woman who said with a straight face she didn't feel 279% annual interest was excessive
11:07 <@klixa> she probably cant do math
11:08 <@Dagmar> No, she works for the company handing out those loan agreements
11:08 <@klixa> oh, ok...sociopath then
11:08 <@klixa> :)
11:08 <@Dagmar> Cracker
11:08 <@Dagmar> She is basically a cracker.
11:11 <@Evilpig> those are preying on the low income and stupid.  emphasis on the stupid.
11:11 <@Dagmar> Perhaps not
11:12 <@klixa> yeah, when im bork i eat ramen noodles and stay at home and act sad :(
11:12 <@klixa> broke*
11:12 <@Dagmar> I am interested in hearing how the guy from Fort Campbell had his loan "converted" to a flex loan
11:12 <@klixa> they had one guy tho, in the video, that said his loan got transferred into a flex loan against his will
11:12 <@klixa> yeah jinx
11:12 <@Dagmar> Yeah that doesn't even seem a little bit kosher to me
11:12 <@klixa> he could be misunderstadning
11:13 <@klixa> some predatory person might have convinced him he had to have it done that wya or somethng
11:13 <@Dagmar> Almost certainly
11:13 <@Dagmar> Sane people don't say "Oh yeah, I want to pay 279% APR"
11:13 <@Dagmar> Not a fuckin' chance
11:14 <@klixa> my bf used to install alarms in San Benrdardino county, and in that county all the elderly have a free medical alert pendent. The cmpany he worked for was targeting the elderly, and saying :hey we are here to upgrade your pendent for free" and were basically tricking them into a 2 year alarm contract. My bf quit when he realised this
11:14 <@klixa> im imaging something like that happened to this guy
11:14 <@RangerZ> well, we at least have definitive proof that backdoors in crypto is bad http://www.macrumors.com/2016/02/17/donald-trump-on-apple-backdoor-refusal/
11:14 < PigBot> Title: Donald Trump Criticizes Apple for Opposing iPhone 'Backdoor' Order: 'Who Do They Think They Are?' - Mac Rumors (at www.macrumors.com) http://tinyurl.com/gv8w2bh
11:15 <@klixa> omg, trump is a such a dumbass
11:16 <@brimstone> i kinda want to vote for him just so our electoral system gets overhauled
11:17 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: They don't give them a choice at the stores.
11:17 < _NSAKEY> There was some regulatory change with title loans, so a bunch of those places moved to flex loans without giving their customers a choice about it.
11:18 < _NSAKEY> It's complete and utter horse shit, and they're all in for a bigger regulatory dicking than they realize, but that's what they did.
11:18 < _NSAKEY> Why do you think I brought a laptop with a resume to polish to the last 2600 meeting?
11:18 < _NSAKEY> That shit is getting too greasy for even me to stomach it.
11:18 <@Dolemite> I guarantee that there were plenty of State Congressmen with their hands in the cookie jar of Advance Financial and other Payday lenders.
11:19 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: Do you work for one of these places?
11:19 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: I repossess cars.
11:19 <@Dolemite> Which is the strong arm of the title places.  Gotcha.
11:19 < _NSAKEY> I won't fuck with Advance.
11:20 < _NSAKEY> We actually had a guy with the repo insurance company call us to ask if we were doing any of their work.
11:20 < _NSAKEY> Apparently they've been deemed extra-risky to even have as a client, from an insurance adjuster's standpoint.
11:21 < _NSAKEY> That phone call was basically a "If you're doing business with them now, you need to stop" phone call.
11:22 < _NSAKEY> Look for the title loan industry to implode in the next 2-3 years.
11:23 <@Dolemite> Man I hope so
11:23 <@Dolemite> They're the only thing with more locations than Walgreen's
11:23 < _NSAKEY> At one point, there was enough money in it that I was just like, "Haha, screw going to college and joining the student loan debt rat race."
11:24 < _NSAKEY> Then the usual inbreds who are in what passes for the repo industry realized that there was money to be made in this portion of the market that they had decided they were too good to service.
11:26 < _NSAKEY> I was laughing at the last 2600 meeting about how one of those people went out of his way to get my attention, and how that's a bad thing.
11:27 < _NSAKEY> tl;dr: I own the domain for his old website now, because he was too broke to renew. I also provided info that lead to a 7-figure lawsuit he was in getting tossed, all because he decided he wanted to play hardball but didn't realize that he was still in the peewee league.
11:28 < _NSAKEY> As a post-script to that lawsuit thing, he sold his company not long after that happened. Successful troll is successful.
11:29 < _NSAKEY> Oh, oh, oh.
11:29 < _NSAKEY> I just read more of this story.
11:29 < _NSAKEY> Hodges explained, "It's half the price of a pay day loan. So I think it's really good for these consumers -- and that's why they like it so much."
11:29 < _NSAKEY> This is kind of completely bullshit, and here's why:
11:29 < _NSAKEY> Payday loans are capped.
11:30 < _NSAKEY> The APR was 391% the last time I checked, but you can't have more than $500 worth of payday loans at a time. They also actually check through some centralized system to make sure you don't exceed the cap.
11:30 < _NSAKEY> Flex loans have a much higher cap.
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11:30 < _NSAKEY> So, while it's strictly true that it costs less in that the APR is lower, nobody is getting $500 flex loans unless that's all they can get.
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11:31 < _NSAKEY> All these companies are scared to death of the CFPB.
11:32 < _NSAKEY> From my standpoint, it basically means adhering to the same rules as before.
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11:32 < _NSAKEY> 1. Document the things that are done.
11:32 < _NSAKEY> 2. Don't disclose to third parties.
11:33 < _NSAKEY> There are a bunch of competitors on facebook and the like who take pictures of cars and post them. I'm thinking about amassing a collection of those and causing an epic meltdown by submitting them to the CFPB and anyone else who might be interested.
11:33 < _NSAKEY> They can't do that, and they deserve to burn at the stake for being too stupid to know better.
11:33 < _NSAKEY> Ok, I think I can safely [/rant] now.
11:36 <@NotLarry> someone suggested I should find my relatives and reach out to them because "you don't want to die alone NotLarry."  I don't think they read the pamphlet...
11:37 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: I doubt that's the first time someone suggested fratricide to you
11:37 < _NSAKEY> NotLarry: What pamplet is that? Have you taken up handing out Jack Chick tracts?
11:40 <@NotLarry> Thanks _NSAKEY.  That website is so going on my favorites list.
11:41 < _NSAKEY> You've never heard of Jack Chick before now? You haven't been living.
11:49 < _NSAKEY> NotLarry: If that isn't enough for you... http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick/
11:49 < PigBot> Title: The Jack T. Chick Parody Archive (at www.weirdcrap.com) http://tinyurl.com/4wzh3o
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13:06 < dfused> .....when you call a rep and they dont now what phonetic alphabet is....and spend multiple tries to say email address W/O using it.
13:07 <@Mirage> I alwasy find it amusing when people are on-the-fly coming up with shit when they don't actually know the military/police standards
13:07 <@Dagmar>  "A as in asshole, B as in bastard, C as in Comcast, D as in Dick
13:08 < dfused> m as in mancy
13:09 <@Mirage> n as in pneumonia
13:09 < dfused> f as in fix my shit
13:10 <@Mirage> NotLarry: here;'s your task..come up with a new phonetic alphabet where the first initial of none of the words actually starts with the corresponding letter
13:11 <@Mirage> or at least as many words as possible
13:11 <@Dagmar> No, it's "F as in fuck you"
13:25 <@Evilpig> result of managerial 1 on 1 meeting.  "stop taking tickets, work on these projects"
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13:35 <@Mirage> Yeah, do less tickets slower..ensure expecations to customers are kept at a reasonably low level
13:38 <@Evilpig> Ticket count last week.  pig: 21, john: 12, jarvis: 15, bill: 2
13:57 <@Mirage> yeah, sounds about right.   STOP IT!
13:58 <@Mirage> When Dag and I were over at EAI for that year Alan and John were dumbfounded by the volume of tickets that we blew through for the ITS environment
13:59 <@Mirage> And of course Chad was giving us hell about how many hours we were working to stay on top of all of it.
14:01 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/robdenbleyker/photos/a.376139849997.159257.51191684997/10153675282089998/?type=3&permPage=1
14:02 < PigBot> Title: Timeline Photos (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/zvqvfuu
14:02 <@Evilpig> haha.  these guys and their jokes
14:59 < dasunt> I'm looking at the geocache map and isolated geocaches.
14:59 < dasunt> Usually people have a first find of a newly placed geocache in a few days.
15:00 < dasunt> This one has gone for over five years:  https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC1TJF4_eyes-lake
15:00 < PigBot> Title: GC1TJF4 Eyes Lake (Traditional Cache) in Ontario, Canada created by Ezekiel (at www.geocaching.com) http://tinyurl.com/hokwexa
15:00 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I see they're maintaining their usual level of output
15:01 <@Dagmar> More of why I was unwilling to even humor the idea of being two minutes later
15:01 <@Dagmar> er late
15:01 <@Dagmar> I know I was killing more issues than pretty much everyone in the departmnet
16:03 < _NSAKEY> dfused: More like "F as in fuck you for being such a worthless idiot."
16:04 < _NSAKEY> I once got a police dispatcher who didn't know phonetic alphabets. That was special.
16:04 < _NSAKEY> Or I had one today who thought "Sierra" was "C" after I already called out "Charlie."
16:04 < _NSAKEY> What barrel are they scraping the bottom of to fill these jobs?
16:08 < dfused> everyday just gives me another reason to hate ppl ...
16:09 < dasunt> dfused: And here I was, just looking at Craigslist pricing.
16:13 <@RangerZ> dfused: dasunt you fuckers
16:14 <@RangerZ> I was really confused for a minute, thinking that dfused was talking to himself
16:14 <@RangerZ> fucking cold/sinuses making me feel all groggy
16:15 < dasunt> Craigslist pricing:  Claim it's unused, sell it for the same or slightly more than the online price for a new unit.
16:17 < dasunt> FFS, I blame the damn "buy crap and flip it" TV shows.
16:18 < dasunt> I'm not sure if that's the cause, but I want to hate on them anyways.
16:18 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: I know the feeling. Storage Wars ruined buying unpaid storage units.
16:19 < _NSAKEY> Too many newbies got in on it.
16:20 < dasunt> _NSAKEY: Lemme guess, a bunch of idiots who think that spending 2 hours to make $5 in profit is a good plan?
16:20 <@RangerZ> dasunt: no, they raise the price beyond what it 'should' be
16:21  * RangerZ worked at a self-storage place, and saw people starting to do that
16:22 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: Close enough.
16:23 < dasunt> RangerZ:  I thought that's what I'm referring to - people who overvalue buying units because they can sell the goods for a little more, not realizing that their net revenues makes burger flipping look good.
16:26 < dasunt> Like seriously, WTF:  http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/bop/5452357858.html
16:26 < PigBot> Title: Old Bicycle Seat ( Persons ) Brand (at minneapolis.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/hrofja5
16:30 <@RangerZ> there you go, you got yourself a deal
16:30 <@RangerZ> brand new that would only cost you 20$
16:30 <@RangerZ> hehe
16:33 <@RangerZ> dasunt: I meant more along the lines that (ignoring their 'time investment') that they would raise the price beyond the actual value of the goods
16:33 < dasunt> Unless I'm missing something about the brand or the model, that looks a lot like a run of the mill 60s or early 70s bike seat.  One that probably got left out in the rain for a decade or so.
16:33 <@RangerZ> but yeah, you're basically right
16:33 < dasunt> RangerZ: Well, people tend not to be good with money.  Or something.
16:34 < _NSAKEY> dasunt: I actually know someone who used to make decent money buying storage units and selling the junk out of them.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> People would see furniture and not want to touch it. He loved furniture because he could dump it quickly.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> He built such a reputation for selling stuff like that, that sometimes he would have randoms call him offering to sell stuff.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> One of the funnier stories I remember involved a woman who was leaving her husband while he was at work.
16:36 < _NSAKEY> This guy gave her money, cleaned the apartment out, and she left her keys on the floor.
16:38 < dasunt> I wonder about the legality of her doing that, if she was married.  Wouldn't it be joint property?
16:39 <@Evilpig> both parties have full legal claim to it up until the split is announced or something like that
16:40 < _NSAKEY> Actually, now that I think about it they might not have been married. Either way, it was an asshole move.
16:41 < _NSAKEY> I didn't hear about it until days after it was done, which means that the furniture was likely already gone.
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18:27 < _NSAKEY> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/17/moscow-anti-smoking-campaign-uses-obamas-image
18:27 < PigBot> Title: 'Smoking kills more people than Obama' poster appears in Moscow | World news | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) http://tinyurl.com/zsbnbbf
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19:00 <@RangerZ> aestetix: trump town hall on msnbc
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20:20 <@RangerZ> damn it... the Frankin quote sounds like it is anti-cryptography
20:20 <@RangerZ> “Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”―Benjamin Franklin
20:48 <@RangerZ> rubio just lost Dagmar's vote https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/700149701513973762
20:48 < PigBot> Title: Josh Barro on Twitter: "BREAKING: Marco Rubio has never been to a rave." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/z2j695q
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22:10 <@RangerZ> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hollywood-hospital-bitcoin-20160217-story.html
22:10 < PigBot> Title: Hollywood hospital pays $17,000 in bitcoins to hackers who took control of computers - LA Times (at www.latimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/hskbz3k
22:11 < _NSAKEY> If it supposedly didn't comp patient data... Then why did they even care?
22:11 < _NSAKEY> Nuke the affected machines and go on.
22:14 <@RangerZ> it did
22:15 <@RangerZ> they just want to pretend that it didn't break ALL KINDS of federal laws
22:15 <@RangerZ> HIPAA, etc
22:24 < _NSAKEY> Well, yeah. It was a leading question.
22:25 < _NSAKEY> I think if I was making a joke about republicans being racists or in the closet, you would have gotten it instantly.
22:28 < _NSAKEY> Umm...
22:28 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/700149960420016128
22:28 < PigBot> Title: Josh Barro on Twitter: "OMG Rubio says he likes EDM because "the lyrics are clean." That is the most Republican case for EDM ever." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/jmya8px
22:28 < _NSAKEY> How old is this guy, again?
22:28 < _NSAKEY> And why are Republicans talking about dance music?
22:29 < _NSAKEY> Can anyone offer an explanation that won't make me want to stick a spoon in my eyes?
22:38 <@RangerZ> yes
22:38 <@RangerZ> GOP town hall on CNN tonight
22:38 <@RangerZ> he was asking everyone their favorite music, and surprisingly rubio's is daft punk
22:38 < _NSAKEY> What did the others say?
22:39 <@RangerZ> carson was classical
22:39 <@RangerZ> Bush was the sounds of the ocean, like his chances washing out to sea
22:39 < aestetix> wait
22:39 < _NSAKEY> That's a low energy answer.
22:39 < aestetix> another GOP debate?
22:39 <@RangerZ> no...
22:39 <@RangerZ> TOWN HALL
22:39 <@RangerZ> hehe
22:40 < _NSAKEY> What did Trump say?
22:40 <@RangerZ> they take turns, and are asked questions by 'the audience'
22:40 < aestetix> RangerZ: url?
22:40 <@RangerZ> (obviously screened by the moderator)
22:40 <@RangerZ> cnn.com
22:40 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: What was Trump's favorite music?
22:40 <@RangerZ> he is tomorrow
22:40 <@RangerZ> they went in turns
22:40 < _NSAKEY> How many GOP candidates are left?
22:40 <@RangerZ> 6
22:41 <@RangerZ> which is why this campaign is a classic case of "what is in the best interest of an individual is not always in the best interest of the group"
22:41 < aestetix> oh they have not aired yet
22:41 < _NSAKEY> So Trump, Cruz, and who else are going to answer the music question tomorrow?
22:41 <@RangerZ> bush
22:41 <@RangerZ> I don't think bush was today
22:41 < _NSAKEY> I thought you already said he said the sounds of the ocean.
22:41 <@RangerZ> I just completely made up his answer out of thin air
22:42 < _NSAKEY> Oh.
22:42 < _NSAKEY> It sounds like something he would say.
22:42 <@RangerZ> his answer was for the 'washing out to sea' joke
22:42 <@RangerZ> yeah, sadly... parody when you can't tell the difference... classic sign of republicanism
22:42 < _NSAKEY> It was totally believable.
22:48 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Lx-3DPXzo
22:48 < PigBot> Title: Donald Trumps Vice President? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jhb9gsh
22:59 < _NSAKEY> https://www.yahoo.com/politics/nsa-chief-paris-would-not-have-happened-without-184040933.html
22:59 < PigBot> Title: NSA chief: ‘Paris would not have happened’ without encrypted apps (at www.yahoo.com) http://tinyurl.com/he4cfda
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23:04 <@RangerZ> neither would have friday the 13th
23:05 <@RangerZ> the -original one- with ROT13
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23:13 < aestetix> this is the funniest town hall I have ever seen
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23:32 <@RangerZ> holy shit
23:32 <@RangerZ> apparently on twitter if you block someone... they can still post to your profile, but only 'you' won't see it
23:32 <@RangerZ> but your followers will
23:32 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y9bS5cqLaM
23:32 < PigBot> Title: BBC 3 Interviews TotalBiscuit about online harassment and gaming - Full audio - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j3alnkl
23:33 <@RangerZ> a really nice discussion actually (not SJW~ish)
23:44 < aestetix> lol
23:44 < aestetix> RangerZ: from what I understand the ad issue with blocked accounts is still a thing on twitter
23:45 < aestetix> IE you can block someone, but still see their tweets if they pay to target you with ads
23:46 <@RangerZ> yeah, IIRC Twitter actually said they WOULDN'T fix it
23:46 <@RangerZ> b/c then you could just go block every advertiser
23:50 < aestetix> which is great because it means you can still have fun with that
23:51 < aestetix> twitter has an amazing ability to be wrong about pretty much every policy decision they make
23:52 <@RangerZ> TB makes some really good points, about how you can't have a desktop app that filters
23:52 <@RangerZ> that you can't block tweets from people who still have the 'egg' picture
23:52 <@RangerZ> can't block accounts that aren't 7 days old, etc.
23:53 <@RangerZ> which is actually a really good point
23:58 <@RangerZ> I wasn't aware of the desktop app thing
23:58 <@RangerZ> I might have to look into that
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