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00:12 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4
00:12 < PigBot`> Title: President Obama Roasts Donald Trump At White House Correspondents Dinner! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/65v4hut
00:13 <@RangerZ> because.... its great to sometimes remember how we got to 'now' in history
00:13 <@RangerZ> best part of that is the line about how trump firing people on celebrity apprentice would keep him up at night
00:14 <@RangerZ> because the bin laden raid had already started and the helicopters were on the way to Pakistan at the time
00:14 <@RangerZ> LOL
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01:32 <@RangerZ> http://store.steampowered.com/app/405900?snr=1_41_4__42 great RPG finally coming to PC
01:32 < PigBot`> Title: Pre-purchase Disgaea PC on Steam (at store.steampowered.com) http://tinyurl.com/ztx5hlr
02:13 <@Dagmar> Yo yeah I've been tellin' you guys that large parts of Syria that used to be relatively modern-looking neighborhoods are just _gone_
02:13 <@Dagmar> That footage should be thrown in the _face_ of everyone who wants to act like a twit about Syrian refugees
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02:27 <@RangerZ> okay... what the fuckk.....
02:28 <@RangerZ> http://gradle.org/gradle-download/
02:28 < PigBot`> Title: Download Gradle l Open Source Enterprise Build Automation (at gradle.org) http://tinyurl.com/hojpvv2
02:28 <@RangerZ> The latest release of Gradle is version 2.10, released on 21st December 2015.
02:28 <@Dagmar> Your point?
02:28 <@RangerZ> same page.... [If you are using a version of Gradle prior to 2.4, please consider upgrading as newer versions are significantly faster. ]
02:28 <@RangerZ> there is up to 2.9 out
02:29 <@Dagmar> According to that page, they're up to 2.10 now
02:29 <@Dagmar> i'm not sure what's confusing here
02:30 <@Dagmar> Also, I am not 100% certain yet because I'm kind of out of practice at this sort of thing but I _may_ have a new girlfriend now
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02:30 <@RangerZ> and that would be?
02:30 <@RangerZ> (please don't say a new bottle of jack)
02:30 <@RangerZ> lol
02:30 <@Dagmar> I don't think you know her but she used to hang out with us back in the 90s
02:31 <@RangerZ> well, thats good
02:31 <@RangerZ> nope, I was in elementary school
02:31 <@Dagmar> Lindsey is (somwaht predictably) going apeshit, but she's _got_ to get over it
02:32 <@RangerZ> no... my confusion was forgetting fucking 'release version' math :/
02:32 <@RangerZ> 2.9 > 2.1
02:32 <@RangerZ> was what I was thinking
02:32 <@Dagmar> Ah...
02:32 <@Dagmar> Silly man
02:32 <@Dagmar> You don't drop the trailing zero
02:33 <@RangerZ> but its not a significant digit... my science teacher would cry at this....
02:33 <@Dagmar> The dot is not a decimal place
02:33 <@RangerZ> hehe
02:34 <@Dagmar> Man, if you leave your 3DS off for a while it seems like the entire upper management for Nintendo comes to the plaza gate with gold pants on
02:35 <@RangerZ> lol
02:48 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Does this mean you're bringing a date to the meeting?
02:49 <@Dagmar> Probably not but maybe
02:50 <@Dagmar> I have _absolutely_ gotta find my damn RPi wherever it's hiding tomrrow, or set up a webserver on my netbook
02:50 <@RangerZ> ?
02:51 <@RangerZ> for the 3ds network thing?
02:51 <@Dagmar> no, for the PN redemption demo
02:52 < _NSAKEY> aka, Project Fuck Fake Dagmar?
02:52 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
02:54 <@Dagmar> At this point, it really seems like there's little point in worrying about what goes into the QR code itself other htan just a 64-bit random number
02:55 <@Dagmar> 'cuz, I think maybe ~400 : 2^64 is going to be kinda difficult to brute force when well... we can just twist some nipples off
02:56 <@RangerZ> huh?
02:56 <@RangerZ> just 'figuring out' 64 bit numbers?
02:56 <@Dagmar> If someone walks up with a two foot stack of printed codes, it'll be time to just kick someone in the jimmy
02:57 <@Dagmar> If someone wants to "spoof" someone else's ticket, they'll have to basically guess the number the purchasing system generated for them
02:57 < _NSAKEY> I threw some checkcums at an online QR code generator not long after that conversation.
02:58 < _NSAKEY> I think sha1 might actually be not terrible for this particular task.
02:58 <@RangerZ> actually it is
02:58 < _NSAKEY> The more digits we add, the harder the codes might be to scan.
02:58 <@RangerZ> b/c sha1 is a function
02:59 <@Dagmar> Poking and prodding at the problem, sha224sum or sha1sum will generate a decent string to stick on the end of https://phreaknic.int/codez/?q=
02:59 < PigBot`> Couldn't snarf url: Unknown host.. http://tinyurl.com/j6n2jrl
02:59 <@Dagmar> lol
02:59 <@RangerZ> you would be better off using a 1990 pascal's random number generator WITHOUT the 'randomize' command, rather than using sha1
02:59 <@Dagmar> THe thorniest problem is really just getting the phones whoever is using to NOT be easily misled to talk to some other AP
03:00 <@RangerZ> just call 'Random.nextLong()' or whatever in the language of your choice
03:00 <@RangerZ> and be done with it
03:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah, the only reason to invoke a summing mechanism is because it is essentially generating a fixed length "random" string
03:01 <@RangerZ> or http://stackoverflow.com/a/5444902
03:01 < PigBot`> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request. http://tinyurl.com/jsu9jrh
03:01 <@RangerZ> generate X # of random characters
03:01 <@Dagmar> So, the QR code itself with M-level (15%) error correction (to avoid misprint or bad-scan bullshit) just has to contain a URL to send the check-in person's browser to an https server on a WPA-protected AP
03:02 <@Dagmar> WPA we can do easily enough
03:02 <@Dagmar> Phones get a little finicky now about even _allowing_ you to connect to an https server with a cert signed by something not in the keyring
03:03 <@RangerZ> you know what sucks about staying at vanderbilt for ~ 56 hours
03:03 <@Dagmar> I have a concern about putting something like the _actual_ phreaknic.info cert on a device that might "grow legs" on us
03:03 <@RangerZ> coming home... and going to sleep... and having NO FUCKING CLUE where you put down your wallet, your keys, your phone
03:03 <@RangerZ> etc
03:03 <@RangerZ> (when you wake back up 13 hours later)
03:04 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow I'm going to print two test tickets with codes on them and start beating up the whole trusted channel problem'
03:05 <@Dagmar> Like, what can I make these two phones i have actually accept
03:06 <@Dagmar> ...becuase the best (and likely only feasible) attack I can think of is to MITM the connection between the device the check-in people use to look up the e-ticket, and the server it talks to
03:06 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I'm pretty sure phreaknic.info doesn't do https.
03:06 < _NSAKEY> So, there's no phreaknic.info cert to put on anything that might sprout legs.
03:06 <@Dagmar> Well, we could certainly get one with letsencrypt
03:07 <@Dagmar> That might actually be a good way to go about it
03:07 <@Dagmar> Now that I think about it that's not really a bad fit since they're so short-term
03:07 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, that's probably the best way. I don't even know who has access to that box except ben.
03:07 <@RangerZ> actually... we could just make an app
03:07 <@RangerZ> and say "sorry, you MUST have an android device"
03:08 <@RangerZ> hehe
03:08 <@Dagmar> Nah, I'm sure someone's going to want to work check-in that has an apple thing
03:08 <@RangerZ> "none of us are stupid enough to use a mac as a desktop"
03:08 <@Dagmar> ..and all the phones that can read QR codes seem to be able to know what to do with an https url in one
03:08 <@RangerZ> you just put https:// in the beginning
03:08 <@Dagmar> Well, yhes
03:08 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: So, have special-purpose registration-only phones that get used with wifi?
03:09 < _NSAKEY> Could be accomplished with android prepaids.
03:09 <@Dagmar> No.  Just whatever phone the person doing check-in has
03:09 <@Dagmar> ...and I've got a spare Galaxy S3 here, and a Motorola Xoom
03:09 <@Dagmar> I could loan those for use even
03:09 < _NSAKEY> I've got some shitty prepaids that aren't going to get used otherwise.
03:09 <@Dagmar> The main thing is just getting them onto a network _we_ control access to carefully
03:09 < _NSAKEY> I have $20 total in them, give or take. If they walk away, I'm not going to care too much.
03:09 <@RangerZ> hell... we can hook them up via USB
03:09 <@Dagmar> Hence, the RPi or something someone can't walk off with
03:10 <@RangerZ> have them use THAT for data transmission
03:10 <@RangerZ> (which might actually not be a bad idea... plus it keeps it charged too)
03:10 <@Dagmar> I don't really want to have them to be cabled to something
03:10 <@Dagmar> ...but it's worth considering
03:10 <@Dagmar> I can _probably_ figure out how to make an RPi or some cheap-ass PC talk to them
03:11 <@Dagmar> ...but then theres' the issue of it's not entirely easy with some of these to do IPv4 over a USB tether
03:11 <@Dagmar> IF we can make this flexible enough it'll be a nice feather in our caps to be able to open it
03:12 <@Dagmar> Also, some fucker will probably sue us for patent infringement anyway, so might as well fuck them up the ass by letting the genie straight out of the bottle
03:13 <@Dagmar> Blockchains could be leveraged, but I don't want to turn this into something one has to be deeply versed in blockchains to fuckin' understand
03:13 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: People like that are what the LART is for.
03:14 <@Dagmar> hehe to be honest we could probably actually issue them a one-cent bitcoin
03:14 <@Dagmar> I could front four bucks onto that
03:15 < _NSAKEY> That sounds too much like a barrier to entry. Not everyone who goes to PN is going to want to go full-on cypherpunk.
03:15 <@Dagmar> They'd just need to bring that one-cent bitcoin to the 'con
03:15 <@Dagmar> Printed
03:16 <@Dagmar> Yeah but it would turn the issue of a secure channel for redemption into a much, much more complex (and harder to break) proble
03:16 <@Dagmar> m
03:16 < _NSAKEY> I mean, we can't even shame RangerZ into connecting to freenode with SSL. What makes you think all the attendees are going to be on board with being part of penny bitcoin transactions in order to validate registration?
03:16 <@Dagmar> cuz all they'd be bringing is a printed qr code
03:17 <@Dagmar> The key thing on our end is that we've got a _list_ of the codes that are involved at the local site
03:17 <@Dagmar> ...but I think using a blockchain would put us into Rube Goldberg territory and this doesn't need to be terribly complex
03:21 <@RangerZ> why do I need to connect to a -public- server with ssl?
03:21 <@Dagmar> Depending on what I figure out tomorrow, I may just be bringing a bunch of questions to ask people instead
03:21 <@Dagmar> What public server
03:21 <@RangerZ> freenode
03:21 <@Dagmar> Oh, well, for one YOU CAN AUTH AT THE SAME TIME
03:21  * RangerZ shrugs 
03:21 <@Dagmar> None of this shit you've seen where people join and then appear to immediately part and join again with a new host (because of their mask) as they auth
03:22 <@Dagmar> Also, not using plaintext auth for the win
03:22 < _NSAKEY> Not using plaintext for the win.
03:22 < _NSAKEY> Plaintext is dangerous and needs to be unceremonously forced out wherever possible.
03:22 <@Dagmar> Well, the utility of encrypting a _public_ network is kind of minimal
03:23 <@Dagmar> ...but much larger is the benefit of auth to the IRC server happening via ssl
03:23 < _NSAKEY> I disagree. Encrypt everything, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it.
03:23 <@Dagmar> I'm fine with encrypting everything, but at minimum, auth should be encrypted
03:24 <@Dagmar> It also makes session-hijacking a non-issue
04:30 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/yahoo_ivory_loc_rb/
04:30 < PigBot`> Title: Avaaz - Yahoo - stop your deadly ivory trade! (at secure.avaaz.org) http://tinyurl.com/hk6yuzp
04:30 <@RangerZ> thought you might find that interesting
04:31 <@RangerZ> they don't just dislike pigs, they hate elephants too
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06:18 < aestetix> god I hate systemd
06:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:00  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:03 <@Evilpig> I got this email this morning and found it interesting and fucking retarded at teh same time.  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/837745346/cast-metal-gaming-dice/posts/1482801
07:03 < PigBot`> Title: Cast Metal Gaming Dice by Trayser Metal Works Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zpw3yx6
07:03 <@Evilpig> kickstarter seems to be the goto place for patent trolls now
07:05 <@Evilpig> how is this worthy of a patent?
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07:10 < aestetix> Evilpig: have you seen some of the patents that get approved?
07:12 <@Evilpig> yes I was just looking at those two there and honestly what a waste of the patent system.  the concept of the die isn't new, the styling of the dice shouldn't be able to be patented
07:13 <@Evilpig> I understand that if you come up with a really neat idea you don't want someone else making money off your work, HOWEVER, with shit like this there is room for similar thought to create similar works with no prior interaction
07:14 <@Evilpig> so the system is being used to punish creativity 
07:14 < aestetix> yep
07:14 < aestetix> also the bit where patents get extended
07:14 < aestetix> and patent trolls
07:15 <@Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/HzzGkoy.jpg
07:15 <@Evilpig> see the dice on the right of that image they are not going to make now because of this patent claim against them
07:16 < aestetix> uh
07:16 < aestetix> so you can get a honeycomb pattern patented?
07:16 <@Evilpig> dude did
07:18 <@Dolemite> I think there's a beehive or two million that could be presented as prior art
07:18 < aestetix> maybe phreaknic should apply for a patent on the skydogcon logo
07:18 <@Dolemite> I think Evilpig and I should patent something in DCIM and then charge royalty fees to the commercial versions
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07:27 < aestetix> Dolemite: you could partner up with the Fine Brothers
07:27 < aestetix> and do reaction videos for the commercial versions when they find out they have to pay you
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08:46 <@Shadow404> burp
09:03 < dfused> craving toaster strudles
09:11 < aestetix> Shadow404: how's it hanging
09:15 <@Shadow404> busy doing home improvement projects at beginning of year
09:16 <@Shadow404> keeping me super busy every weekend
09:17 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: how's the pit in the basement coming along?  are you gonna put up a fence to keep precious from falling in with the fatties?
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09:38 <@Dolemite> Don't forget the bucket on a rope for the lotion
09:40 <@Evilpig> if he's doing remodeling he could modernize that and plumb down a lotion dispensor
09:40 < dfused> quid pro quo clarice....
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10:35 < _NSAKEY> This goes back to the discussion about people with patents from last night.
10:36 < _NSAKEY> Luser attitude readjustment tools would solve that problem quite quickly.
10:39 < aestetix> oh wow
10:39 < aestetix> burning man drama
10:39 < aestetix> lol
10:39 < aestetix> https://burners.me/2016/02/03/burning-man-tickets-1600/
10:39 < PigBot> Title: Burning Man Tickets: $1500 | Burners.Me: Me, Burners and The Man (at burners.me) http://tinyurl.com/hkdcoyu
10:40 <@oddball> Drama? With burning man?  Say it ain't so!
10:45 < aestetix> I am so glad I'm not in SF
10:45 <@oddball> I take it more protests?
10:45 <@oddball> Because... uh... it's Thursday?
10:45 < aestetix> No, just angry startup employees pissed at burning man ticket prices
10:47 <@oddball> Here's an idea: you think it's too much? don't go!
10:48 <@oddball> Also... what's actually included in that ticket price?  Is there programming, etc?
10:50 <@oddball> All I've ever heard about it was that the attendees pretty much bring *everything* and all the organizers provide is the space.
11:01 < aestetix> no and yes
11:04 <@oddball> So, some of the art displays/performances/etc are paid for by the organizers?
11:21 < aestetix> no
11:21 < aestetix> some of them are paid for by art grants
11:21 < aestetix> no programming is in the ticket price
11:21 <@oddball> So, the answer of "what's included in the ticket price" is "Access to a chunk of desert?"
11:23 <@oddball> Because I've heard that they charge standard concert screwing you over prices for things like water, and I believe the accomodations are "whatever tent you brought with you."
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11:26 < aestetix> right
11:26 < aestetix> I mean you can buy things at center camp
11:26 < aestetix> but that's frowned upon
11:26 < aestetix> the whole idea is you go to another camp, and give them something in exchange for water
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12:33 <@RangerZ> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/business/drug-prices-valeant-martin-shkreli-congress.html?_r=0
12:33 < PigBot> "Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 302: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.\nThe last 30x error message was:\nFound. http://tinyurl.com/hx3v2ww"
12:33 <@RangerZ> fuck this asshat
12:34 <@RangerZ> I'd be doing the same shit
12:34 <@RangerZ> but I wouldn't have a shit eating grin on my face
12:34 <@RangerZ> (actually I probably would, depending on why I was there... but still... fuck him)
12:38 < aestetix> smart aleckk or not, he is simply acting within his rights
12:46 <@Evilpig> he might be within his rights, but he can still be a giant dick bag.  he could get gunned down in the street and I don't think anyone would feel any sympathy when the cops were unable to find the killer.
12:46 <@Evilpig> hell the killer could probably do as much as leave a signed note, and some digital video of the act and would still never be found.
12:46 <@Dolemite> He needs to contract a disease that can only be cured by a drug from a competitor of his that prices each pill at $1M
12:50 < _NSAKEY> I watched that video, along with his latest Wu Tang diss video.
12:51 < _NSAKEY> The guy's a dick and needs to die over the course of about 12 hours, but I like the fact that he's at least got the balls to be unapologetic about being a dick who needs to die slowly.
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13:58 <@Dagmar> I kinda hope someone sneaks up on Shkreli with a dirty needle
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14:20 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I have a blowgun. If someone will make AIDS needles into darts, I wouldn't mind doing the deed.
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14:40 <@Evilpig> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjzvNDf-97KAhWCYyYKHYqWDbkQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3Dthe%2Bdeed&usg=AFQjCNF3ROkEvOo8DI4u__OZaVsGUnlCzg&sig2=kjuMCaeSvKYt56EydWU87Q
14:40 < PigBot> Evilpig: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
14:40 <@Evilpig> god damnit google
14:40 <@Evilpig> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+deed
14:40 < PigBot> Title: Urban Dictionary: the deed (at www.urbandictionary.com) http://tinyurl.com/hh24mov
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16:22 < frsilent> HPVED-TXW7K-FMB6G
16:22 < frsilent> frozen synapse steam key if anyone wants it
16:44 <@Evilpig> jesus.  xcom2 is 23GB
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16:51 <@Dagmar> I'm sorry... Did you think it was a game for filthy casuals?
17:03 <@Evilpig> yes, yes I did
17:32 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: so I realized why I thought that gradle's version was fucked up.... because android's gradle plugin is fucked
17:32 <@RangerZ> it doesn't work (with the auto-gen'd version) of android plugin
17:32 <@RangerZ> saying 2.10 < 2.2
17:33 < _NSAKEY> To be fair, in just about any other context that would be correct...
17:34 < _NSAKEY> ... But some genius decided to break basic math rules at one point, and now we're stuck with illogical numbering schemes.
17:34 <@RangerZ> which is why my sleep deprived brain didn't catch it as odd
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18:37 < aestetix_> penis
18:40 < aestetix_> there is one thing about this article that is hilariuos: https://keybase.io/introducing-the-keybase-filesystem
18:40 < PigBot> Title: Introducing the Keybase filesystem (at keybase.io) http://tinyurl.com/zy98jyt
18:50 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Sarah says "thanks wilbur!"
18:51 <@Mirage> Evilpig: not gonna tell you what she's talking about, though
19:08 <@Evilpig> I probably don't want to know
19:11 <@Mirage> Sure you do...that's why I'm not gonna tel you
19:11 <@Mirage> =P
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19:38 <@RangerZ> so I feel like I don't even need to watch the democratic debate
19:39 <@RangerZ> Clinton is going to say she is to the left of President Elect Sanders (Clinton's nightmare of her manifest destiny not coming true)
19:39 <@RangerZ> and Sanders is going to laugh it off
19:39 <@RangerZ> lol
19:40 < aestetix_> wait is there another debate toniht?
19:42 <@RangerZ> yeah
19:42 <@RangerZ> Clinton is disparate now
19:42 <@RangerZ> so she wanted another debate
19:43 <@RangerZ> Sanders was like "sure"... if you agree to 4 more (well 3 more after this one tonight)
19:43 <@RangerZ> (something quote-close to this) "Because we won't be dictated to by the whims of the Clinton Campaign to only be holding debates when she wants them"
19:44 <@RangerZ> and debbie wassherman-shultz(sp?) is a fucking HACK
19:44 <@RangerZ> she basically admitted that "now that clinton wants more debates, we can have them"
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19:54 <@RangerZ> http://americablog.com/2016/02/most-voters-are-ready-for-a-political-revolution-per-new-poll.html
19:54 < PigBot> Title: Poll: Most voters are ready for a political revolution to redistribute wealth - AMERICAblog News (at americablog.com) http://tinyurl.com/hmh27vl
19:55 <@RangerZ> the problem with Democrats is that they refuse to fight (generally)
19:55 <@RangerZ> The US is a liberal Nation when it comes to policy  73% support raising taxes on the wealthy, 66% support raising taxes on big corporations, 55% support single payer health care and 59% support free college.
19:56 <@RangerZ> and more conservative when view taxes, but I would argue that is due to as much marketing since the 60s as much as any reality
20:17 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: I see your home has instilled your work ethic into you and your other KY'ers http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/i-needed-a-bj-kentucky-mayor-admits-favors-for-sex-scheme-but-charges-are-dismissed-anyway/
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20:22 <@RangerZ> aestetix_: were you the one who was showing off how tmux had like 20k sessions started?
20:22 <@RangerZ> I stumbled across mention of tmux (been testing it out vs just using screen like always)
20:26 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: tmux is nice for one minor thing. I sometimes ssh into my shell box from the laptop, and I can have the session playing out both on the laptop and my desktop at the same time, without having to re-attach to the desktop later.
20:28 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Did you hear about this? https://twitter.com/fxmatt4/status/695413144001228801
20:28 < PigBot> Title: Frank Matt on Twitter: "Police in Flint used guise of water filter delivery to arrest people https://t.co/mxmiYeHFLZ https://t.co/jqrKk3TPvJ" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zbudluq
20:38 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2xMUNqfN4c
20:38 < PigBot> Title: Mattel and Hasbro Reportedly in Merger Talks - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jx3myau
20:38 <@RangerZ> because "that is what we need" 'more big companies'
20:38 < aestetix_> why are these debates so hard to watch
20:38 <@RangerZ> aestetix_: because you are used to GOP ones
20:38 <@RangerZ> and expecting stupidity
20:39 <@RangerZ> Democrats are debating policies, and the Moderators are actually competent
20:39 < aestetix_> no I mean
20:39 < aestetix_> how the fuck do you tune in
20:39 <@RangerZ> ohh
20:39 < aestetix_> they keep shutting down the streams
20:39 <@RangerZ> nah
20:39 <@RangerZ> zahipedia.net/2010/01/28/online-msnbc-news-live-msnbc-live-news/
20:39 <@RangerZ> just have to have better links
20:40 <@RangerZ> and livenewschat.eu/politics/
20:40 <@RangerZ> both of those always point to MSNBC
20:40 <@RangerZ> livenewschat is actually really good because it points to lots of channels, like CNN, RT, etc.
20:40 < aestetix_> any they use flash :/
20:41 <@RangerZ> of course
20:41 <@RangerZ> but that is why you use chrome and be done with it
20:45 < aestetix_> oh wow this is good
20:48 <@RangerZ> they are both direct satellite feeds, the one is one directly from MSNBC directly without even any ads
20:48 < aestetix_> I mean the content
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