--- Log opened Sun Jan 31 00:00:48 2016 01:03 -!- RangerZ2 [~Mike@c-98-211-46-34.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:04 -!- RangerZ [~Mike@c-98-211-46-34.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:25 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ladymerl1n, @brimstone, jb7od, _NSAKEY, scoob, aestetix, Guest58558, RangerZ1, RangerZ2, @northrup, (+28 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 06:30 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @ShadowHntr, vaneck, @Catonic, dfused, @brimstone, strages, cyberanger, giezr, oddball, @Mirage (+27 more) 06:31 -!- opticron_ [~opticron@75.76.201.152] has joined #se2600 06:31 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Healix 06:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Healix 06:35 -!- opticron [~opticron@75.76.201.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:25 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 10:03 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 10:07 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:07 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 10:11 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 11:38 < RangerZ2> http://techaeris.com/2016/01/30/using-raspberry-pi-to-auto-tweet-comcast-about-slow-speeds/ 11:38 < PigBot> Title: Using Raspberry Pi To Auto Tweet Comcast About Slow Speeds - Techaeris (at techaeris.com) http://tinyurl.com/gqedo6z 11:38 < RangerZ2> Dagmar: I thought this was you at first 11:45 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 11:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 11:52 -!- opticron_ is now known as opticron 11:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o opticron] by ChanServ 12:21 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:31 < RangerZ2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAK0KXEpF8U 12:31 < PigBot> Title: John Cleese: Political Correctness Can Lead to an Orwellian Nightmare - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hvpg2tt 12:36 < _NSAKEY> http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-ominously-tells-iowan-supporters-mark-fron-52265 12:36 < PigBot> Title: Clinton Ominously Tells Iowan Supporters To Mark Front Doors With Campaign Logo Before Sundown - The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com) http://tinyurl.com/z9wzw8x 12:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 12:43 < RangerZ2> _NSAKEY: thats not fair 12:44 < RangerZ2> you're belittling the amount of people she'd kill, to only biblical plague levels, to become president if that was what it took 12:44 < _NSAKEY> I'm not a writer for The Onion. 12:45 < RangerZ2> the guy I know who is got fired IIRC 12:45 < RangerZ2> it becoming public that you are a felon.... because gamestop kept on letting you steal reservations and games until you hit the 1000$ mark.... will do that 12:45 < RangerZ2> lol 12:46 < _NSAKEY> That's pretty bad. 12:46 < RangerZ2> the guy was such a twit.... no only was he stealing reservation money.... he was then using his employee discount on those purchases 12:46 < RangerZ2> so they had a clear paper trail 12:47 < RangerZ2> I was literally the only non-seasonal employee to get out of the store I worked at without being 1) fired or 2) arrested 12:48 < RangerZ2> for a couple of years... 12:57 < dfused> goodie for you...you want an award or something? 12:59 < RangerZ2> nah, I made out like a bandit while I was there 12:59 < RangerZ2> I just didn't get caught 12:59 < RangerZ2> hehe 12:59 < dfused> heh 13:02 < aestetix> you know 13:02 < aestetix> I love asking self proclaimed "progressives" when they will be happy 13:02 < aestetix> since their only goals seem to be opposition to others 13:03 < RangerZ2> universal healthcare that covers vision and dental 13:03 < aestetix> and acting as missionaries 13:03 < aestetix> RangerZ2: I would love it if progressives worked to get that 13:03 < aestetix> instead they dish out microaggression bullshit 13:03 < RangerZ2> eliminating the idea of corps at people 13:03 < RangerZ2> eliminating non-public financing of campaigns 13:04 < RangerZ2> aestetix: no, 'progressives' you run into on twitter/etc are like that 13:04 < RangerZ2> real people don't use twitter like that 13:04 < aestetix> RangerZ2: have you seen the videos from students at universities? 13:04 < RangerZ2> yeah, and that is a small vocal minority 13:05 < RangerZ2> just because there are 20~40 vocal asshats at each univ. doesn't mean a whole lot to me 13:05 < aestetix> except they shut down events that everyone else wants to see 13:05 < RangerZ2> I've personally never seen that happen at either of the univ I've attended 13:06 < RangerZ2> and when crazypants tried to do the same at PN 2 years ago, we shot her down too 13:06 < aestetix> maybe it's less of a problem with engineering 13:06 < RangerZ2> she wanted a talk for "women only" and I asked her who was going to do the genital inspections 13:06 < aestetix> liberal arts colleges have turned apeshit nuts 13:06 < aestetix> uhhhh wtf 13:06 < aestetix> that is stupid 13:07 < RangerZ2> the talk was suppose to be on stopping stalkers 13:07 < RangerZ2> and she said women might not be comfortable with their male stalkers in the room 13:07 < aestetix> ... 13:07 < RangerZ2> so I asked her ... what about female stalkers 13:07 < RangerZ2> why can't men want to protect their privacy? 13:07 < RangerZ2> yeah... that went over real well 13:07 < RangerZ2> lol 13:08 < aestetix> Did she say privilege? 13:08 < RangerZ2> who knows, honestly the lot of us were kinda laughing at her at the same time we were telling her to go fuck herself (or dru) 13:09 < aestetix> she clearly has daddy issues 13:09 < aestetix> one of my favorite responses as of late "I am not your fucking therapist" 13:09 < RangerZ2> I hope for his sake that he at least got some form that.... because she at least fucked with his head 13:10 < RangerZ2> honestly, the only 2 people I've ever heard talk like the drama you talk about were here and the 1 girl I know(knew now) from Berkeley 13:11 < aestetix> it might be mostly a coastal thing 13:11 < aestetix> because it's really bad in the bay area and in boston 13:11 < aestetix> and apparnetly nyc as well 13:13 < RangerZ2> its a critical mass type of thing probably 13:13 < RangerZ2> you need a certain amount of internet(Tumblr/etc)-brain-soaked people who are close to each other to enable them to interact in person 13:14 < aestetix> and the bay area is awful for that 13:15 < aestetix> it sounds like the south is more reasonable 13:15 < RangerZ2> that is a very loaded statement 13:15 < RangerZ2> its more reasonable on 'that' end of things 13:16 < RangerZ2> but the "conservatives"(which are anything but) are much more in lockstep-stupid 13:17 < RangerZ2> This is my canonical example of that 13:17 < RangerZ2> http://gawker.com/5992352/crisis-averted-when-tennessee-lawmakers-discover-muslim-foot-bath-is-actually-just-a-mop-sink 13:17 < PigBot> RangerZ2: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes. 13:28 -!- RangerZ2 [~Mike@c-98-211-46-34.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:28 -!- RangerZ [~Mike@c-98-211-46-34.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 13:40 <@Dagmar> So... 13:40 <@Dagmar> Catonic tipped me off to this thread on Reddit 13:40 <@Dagmar> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/43fi39/i_set_up_my_raspberry_pi_to_automatically_tweet/czhzpd1 13:40 < PigBot> Title: Dugen comments on I set up my Raspberry Pi to automatically tweet at Comcast Xfinity whenever my internet speeds drop significantly below what I pay for (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/js2xgz2 13:40 <@Dagmar> Imma get so many fuckin upvotes 13:53 < aestetix> nice 13:58 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Have you started a youtube channel of the calls yet? 14:10 <@RangerZ> you'd have at least a dozen subscribers in this channel alone 14:17 < aestetix> yep 14:17 < aestetix> I would pay to listen to those calls 14:23 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeHNlJw3r4M so this could actually be an interesting precedent if it goes through 14:24 < PigBot> Title: Disney Sued For Making Workers Train Foreign Replacements - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jgewa9h 14:24 <@RangerZ> going after them with RICO 14:24 <@RangerZ> hehe 14:26 < _NSAKEY> If you ever wanted to follow McAfee on Instagram, now's your chance: https://www.instagram.com/officialjohnmcafee/ 14:26 < PigBot> Title: John McAfee (@officialjohnmcafee) • Instagram photos and videos (at www.instagram.com) http://tinyurl.com/jscavd4 14:31 < dfused> mcafee for prez!!! 14:31 <@RangerZ> Deez Nutz 14:32 < dfused> ur mom 14:32 <@RangerZ> my mom got out of politics about 15 years ago 14:34 < dfused> mine got out about 5 yrs ago....and into an urn.... 14:34 < dfused> ohnohedidnt! 14:36 < dfused> meh... almost lost my father this week as well. fucking stroke. so I'm a bit bitter this week. 14:44 < aestetix> oh shit 14:44 < aestetix> dfused: I hope he recovers well 14:44 < aestetix> RangerZ: what did your mom do? 15:03 < aestetix> besides fucking your dad 15:10 <@RangerZ> county level politics 15:11 <@RangerZ> my recommendations page on my resume when I applied for my first job had nothing but office numbers... because its good practice to never put home address/phone numbers of judges and politicians into the public.... lol 15:11 <@RangerZ> 1 county commissioner, 1 county judge, and 1 township trustee 15:12 <@RangerZ> dfused: hope things improve 15:13 <@RangerZ> https://www.aclu.org/report/driving-while-black-racial-profiling-our-nations-highways 15:13 < PigBot> Title: Driving While Black: Racial Profiling On Our Nations Highways | American Civil Liberties Union (at www.aclu.org) http://tinyurl.com/q3rm5pt 15:13 <@RangerZ> FYI, don't drive 'Black' while in FL apparently 15:14 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 15:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 15:16 <@RangerZ> "funniest"(in sad way) part of this is that at least 1 County in FL with a history of racial profiling.... have just 'stopped reporting' the stats on racial data 16:06 < aestetix> vagina 16:09 <@Dagmar> Motehrfucekrs 16:10 <@Dagmar> I just noticed my upstream signal levels are hella high again 16:10 <@Dagmar> Fucking Comcast 16:10 <@Dagmar> I'm resetting the damn modem again 16:13 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 16:22 <@Dagmar> Well, here's a terrifying thing to see showing up in the source of the webpages the modem generates 16:22 <@Dagmar> 16:24 <@RangerZ> .... 16:28 < aestetix> lol 16:29 <@RangerZ> you know.... I just realized something.... 16:30 <@RangerZ> The military has paid ~375k for me to attend vandy.... 16:30 <@RangerZ> tuition, stipend, and health insurance 16:56 < aestetix> RangerZ: you were in the military? 16:56 <@RangerZ> nope 16:56 <@RangerZ> *ARPA departments 16:56 <@RangerZ> AF* and DoD* 16:57 <@RangerZ> which is what makes it 'odd' to me 17:00 <@RangerZ> now I'm fully funded by Coursera, but thats new 17:01 <@RangerZ> ....but.... I don't earn the 'instructor' part of funding from coursera... which is better for me short term... who knows long term :/ 17:03 <@RangerZ> http://orig14.deviantart.net/801e/f/2012/077/9/3/korn___follow_the_leader_created_in_adobe_flash__by_tom11170-d4t6ikq.jpg hehehe.... googled "follow along" 17:18 <@RangerZ> https://pixabay.com/en/ducklings-squeaking-follow-water-305563/ who is puttying duckies in his slides.... ohh yeah.... 17:18 < PigBot> Title: Free vector graphic: Ducklings, Squeaking, Follow, Water - Free Image on Pixabay - 305563 (at pixabay.com) http://tinyurl.com/z8wy4ou 17:20 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xjvgtbirywmznqwy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kyywaqdoewflbrqi] has joined #se2600 17:26 -!- dasunt_ [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has joined #se2600 17:33 -!- scoob [~scoob@fsf/member/scoob] has joined #se2600 17:45 <@Dagmar> LOOOOOL 17:45 <@Dagmar> ShoeOnHEad put a new video up 17:47 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GGwfGSHJCY&feature=youtu.be&t=218 17:47 < PigBot> Title: "questions" for men answered by woman - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jm4bjy9 17:47 <@Dagmar> Her reaction to that bogus question is hilarious. 17:49 < aestetix> wait 17:49 < aestetix> how can I get funded by coursera 17:50 <@RangerZ> use your real name 17:50 < aestetix> I do! aestetix is real 17:50 <@RangerZ> and be an academic who is already working for professors who are working for coursera 17:51 < aestetix> ok, so you should hire me 17:56 <@RangerZ> sure 17:56 <@RangerZ> you can accept 25k/yr right? 17:56 <@RangerZ> also, I'm not a professor 17:56 <@RangerZ> only an instructor (on coursera) 18:04 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-117-167.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:09 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:15 <@RangerZ> ....yeah.... thought so... lol 18:15 -!- cyberanger [~cyberange@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 18:24 -!- draake [~h4ckm3@c-174-49-4-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:25 -!- draake [~h4ckm3@c-174-49-4-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:33 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@c-174-49-4-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:35 < aestetix> RangerZ: you make 25k/year? 18:36 <@RangerZ> basically 18:37 <@RangerZ> it covers rent and utils basicaly 18:37 <@RangerZ> basically* 18:37 <@RangerZ> food* included too 18:38 <@RangerZ> its a bit tight because I don't have a roommate, but almost all other grad students have one 18:38 <@RangerZ> also, you have to remember, I pay 781$/month for 1000sq.ft. 2bd 1.5 bathroom apartment (thats including water) 18:40 < aestetix> oh wow 18:40 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/tbVNc63.png 18:45 <@RangerZ> what? 18:46 <@RangerZ> its a consistent POV, she is saying that she is upset that some part of her misses it 18:47 <@RangerZ> look at people who stop doing drugs, its for the best... but sometimes they miss parts of it, and.... lol 18:54 <@RangerZ> its humerus at first glance, but reading it carefully makes it a bad attack against her, because it means the person doing the attacking hasn't thought through the statements properly 18:55 < aestetix> wow 18:55 < aestetix> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402 18:55 < PigBot> Title: Mount efivarfs read-only · Issue #2402 · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/go6bm5y 18:58 <@RangerZ> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2402#issuecomment-176805296 18:58 < PigBot> Title: Mount efivarfs read-only · Issue #2402 · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/h79j3cz 18:58 <@RangerZ> via a hasty use of rm -rf / 18:58 <@RangerZ> --- Is there any other kind? :) 18:58 <@RangerZ> Where is benthemeek when you need him.... hehe 19:00 < aestetix> seriously 19:00 < aestetix> this all happened because somoene ran rm -rf on their drive for fun 19:00 < aestetix> and it deleted their UEFI config 19:00 < aestetix> so their system won't boot 19:01 < aestetix> and they can't just swap in a new drive to fix it 19:05 < _NSAKEY> I saw that. It's great. 19:05 < aestetix> I got outraged at how stupid it was, but calmed down when I saw it was systemd. 19:05 < _NSAKEY> rming shouldn't brick a board, but +1 for less-than-lethal natural selection. 19:06 < _NSAKEY> I'm still of the opinion that if Poettering had been creamed by a bus about 5 years ago, the open source community would be a lot better off. 19:06 < aestetix> haha 19:06 < _NSAKEY> But in this case, I can't help but laugh. 19:06 < aestetix> it would be fun to have a split screen going, one tailing syslog, one rm rfing 19:07 < _NSAKEY> What, you mean the binary logs? 19:07 < _NSAKEY> I was telling someone last night, whatever idiot decided that systemd doing binary logging was a good idea was clearly the victim of a lobotomy gone wrong. 19:08 < _NSAKEY> Otherwise, it's hard to imagine that anyone who deals with computers for very long is actually that stupid. 19:08 < aestetix> wait, systemd does binary logs? 19:08 < aestetix> of what? 19:08 <@RangerZ> but its 'perfect logging' via encryption or ....something 19:08 < _NSAKEY> Some sort of violent head trauma is the only way it makes sense. 19:08 <@RangerZ> of everything 19:08 < aestetix> why? 19:08 <@RangerZ> aestetix: it doesn't even HAVE plain text logging IIRC 19:08 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: All the logs, by default, are not text files anymore. They're binary blobs... Because someone has brain damage. 19:08 < aestetix> .... 19:09 < aestetix> WHY? 19:09 <@RangerZ> its to make logs more legally viable.... basically 19:09 < _NSAKEY> Debian fixed this nonsense by throwing syslog in the mix and having text logs by default, as it should be. 19:09 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Nope 19:09 < aestetix> I mean mysql uses binary logs to help replication be faster 19:09 <@RangerZ> it uses hashing to prove that logs aren't tampered 19:09 <@Dagmar> So do a few other versions of syslog 19:09 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: really? that was my understanding of it 19:09 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Brain damage. I keep typing it. If not a lobotomy, then they probably got forcibly thrown on their head down a flight of stairs as a baby. 19:09 <@Dagmar> Systemd has binary logging so they can include metadata in with the logs 19:09 <@Dagmar> ...so it can be like fucking Windows event viewer 19:09 < aestetix> I mean I have to grep for things in syslog all the time 19:10 < aestetix> binary logs kill that 19:10 <@Dagmar> ...because those logs never, ever get corrupted and become unreadable. 19:10 <@Dagmar> You're not supposed to use grep (or any tool of your own choice) anymore 19:10 <@Dagmar> You're suppsed to use journalctl IIRC 19:10 < aestetix> uh 19:10 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: if that is the rationale... then they need fucking slapped 19:11 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The systemd apologists insist that you can run the binary logs through some program that dumps out text. 19:11 < _NSAKEY> s/slapped/killed with fire/ 19:11 <@Dagmar> Or some damn tool or other that lets you filter what it outputs based on metadata and a regexp matcher that's probably slower than grep/sed 19:11 < aestetix> what's wrong with grep? 19:11 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Jesus Poettering didn't invent it. 19:11 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Sadly, that's _exactly_ the rationale 19:11 < aestetix> What is journalctl? 19:12 < aestetix> Is it some sort of aborted grep clone? 19:12 <@RangerZ> .... what is the fucking problem with CSV for adding more 'meta data' columns 19:12 < _NSAKEY> All the extra non-init functionality has a -ctl equivalent. 19:12 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: In a word? Hubris. 19:12 < _NSAKEY> Instead of simply typing "reboot," you use the new, shiny, and totally-not-too-many characters "machinectl reboot" 19:13 < aestetix> That is just stupid. 19:13 < _NSAKEY> I just spun up a CentOS VM because it's been a while, and I should probably get more familiar with the redhat way of abusing linux. 19:14 <@Dagmar> Thankfully there's still wrappers that translate the previous way of doing things to the "correct" way of doing things for you 19:14 < _NSAKEY> That being said, the VM's hostname is "neckbeard" to reflect my contempt for redhat. 19:14 < aestetix> The attitude of these idiots makes me wonder if systemd should be rewritten in ruby or python 19:15 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: ahh I was going to say.... I just used a debian fork for RaPi that 'shutdown' just worked... 19:15 <@RangerZ> I had no idea it was translating that into -ctl version.... 19:15 <@RangerZ> :/ 19:15 < aestetix> Does machinectl just trigger the reboot syscall with some added logging? 19:16 <@Dagmar> No, it tells systemd to shut everything down first because if it just triggered the reboot syscall your shit would break 19:16 < aestetix> How is it different from just using reboot? 19:17 <@RangerZ> systemD puts its D into it first 19:17 < aestetix> lol 19:17 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It should be re-written in javascript. 19:17 < aestetix> systemd.js? 19:17 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: you fucking joke... but there is a project doing that 19:17 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Not even surprising. 19:18 <@RangerZ> http://www.toptal.com/nodejs/nodeos-the-javascript-based-operating-system 19:18 < PigBot> Title: NodeOS - The Node.js Based Operating System | Toptal (at www.toptal.com) http://tinyurl.com/nvh9gmf 19:18 < aestetix> .... 19:18 <@RangerZ> and apparently that isn't the -only one- either.... 19:18 < aestetix> Is there a ReactOS now? 19:19 <@RangerZ> yeah, its called Emacs 19:19 <@RangerZ> ohh wait... 19:19 < aestetix> hahaa 19:19 <@RangerZ> hehe 19:19 <@RangerZ> Doug uses Emacs when he is giving his live lectures for his MOOCs 19:19 <@RangerZ> and the learners are like "what is this black magic" 19:20 < aestetix> Is there anything emacs can do that vim can't? 19:20 < aestetix> I mean vim is more logical by sourcing things like web browsers to bash... 19:20 <@RangerZ> I think it has better CLI integration IIRC, but honestly I couldn't really compare the two 19:20 < aestetix> I've used vim a LOT, I have only used emacs once. 19:21 < aestetix> And that one time involved 10 minutes of "how the hell do I quit" 19:21 -!- deadcell [~deadcell@107.181.179.146] has joined #se2600 19:21 <@RangerZ> thats me with VIM, I hardly ever use a CLI editor 19:21 -!- deadcell is now known as Novex 19:21 < aestetix> actually it would be cool to do vimOS 19:22 < aestetix> which would really just be making a bunch of ! macros 19:23 <@RangerZ> http://www.eso.org/sci/facilities/paranal/instruments/vimos.html 19:23 < PigBot> Title: ESO - VIMOS (at www.eso.org) http://tinyurl.com/qal27tq 19:24 * RangerZ knows what he did, but found it amusing 19:24 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Something else... Instead of "/etc/init.d/sshd restart" or "service ssh restart" you ahve "/bin/systemctl restart sshd.service" 19:24 < _NSAKEY> That's what neckbeard just barfed at me. 19:30 < aestetix> heh I just lost 10 minutes playing around with vim buffers 19:30 < aestetix> I really don't know how people can tolerate sublime when they can use vim 19:34 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I stand corrected. 19:34 < _NSAKEY> It's "systemctl reboot" to reboot, because "reboot" wasn't enough characters. 19:35 <@RangerZ> aestetix: isn't sublime a desktop app? and not a CLI one? 19:35 <@RangerZ> that alone makes the difference for people 19:36 <@RangerZ> most people don't need to code over SSH 19:36 < aestetix> RangerZ: yes 19:37 < aestetix> RangerZ: but even so, keyboard is faster than mouse 19:37 <@RangerZ> and? 19:38 <@RangerZ> because dvorak won out over qwerty 19:38 < aestetix> lol 19:39 <@RangerZ> and and lockheed martin didn't lose out a billion dollars when they made an air-traffic control system that used a mouse instead of knobs all around the screen.... like the air-traffic controllers were trained on and used to 19:39 < aestetix> well I don't expect everyone to go to college either 19:39 < aestetix> but those who do, and actually put in a lot of work, find great reward 19:39 < aestetix> same with vim 19:40 <@RangerZ> and? 19:40 <@RangerZ> your point? 19:40 <@RangerZ> lol 19:40 < aestetix> they are missing out 19:40 <@RangerZ> not to them 19:40 < aestetix> of course if you go to college there is a trivial chance you get stuck with RangerZ as a teacher 19:41 <@RangerZ> also the sliding 'code-overview' that sublime has I don't think can be done with vim at all 19:41 < aestetix> what is that? 19:41 <@RangerZ> a GUI representation of where in the code file you are 19:42 <@RangerZ> from like -4000% zoom or something (on sliding scale based on file length) 19:42 < aestetix> well you could do something similar with folds 19:42 <@RangerZ> I'm not saying you are -technically- incorrect, but you are ignoring user-driven development/choice/etc 19:44 < aestetix> I just learned a new vim command, this is awesome 19:45 < _NSAKEY> Do you want a gold star? 19:45 <@RangerZ> I think so 19:45 < aestetix> lol 19:45 < aestetix> :sb 19:45 < aestetix> if you have multiple buffers, you can create a new split with the buffer you specify 19:45 < aestetix> it's pretty nice 19:52 -!- Novex [~deadcell@107.181.179.146] has left #se2600 ["Leaving"] 20:00 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtkeweziyzmtrynb] has joined #se2600 20:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by ChanServ 20:09 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-44-245.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 20:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 20:14 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: I'd actually argue that 'systemctl reboot' is needless redundancy because it's not like there's any question about what the damn command does or which machine it applies to. 20:14 <@Dagmar> Failing at that is practically anathema to good UX 20:14 <@Dagmar> A user shouldn't have to specify anything that could reasonably be construed as obvious or inescapable 20:15 <@Dagmar> ...and it's especially silly since `reboot` (and `shutdown`) itself has been a shell script that calls init with a few extra arguments for a long-ass time now. 20:15 <@Dagmar> Yet another Great Leap Backwards 20:16 < aestetix> it could be worse 20:16 < aestetix> it could be "def reboot:" 20:26 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I agree completely. 20:26 < _NSAKEY> Still, simply using "reboot" works on centos... for now. 20:30 <@RangerZ> https://twitter.com/hashtag/UnsubFineBros?src=hash 20:30 < PigBot> Title: #UnsubFineBros hashtag on Twitter (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/jsanxcp 20:31 <@RangerZ> losing 125k subscribers for anyone else would pretty much be their death nail 20:31 <@RangerZ> they have 'now' 13.97 million subscribers 20:49 <@Dagmar> Well, what they did _was_ fairly stupid 20:49 <@Dagmar> To come up with a dumb gimmick with no real uniqueness to it and the beat it _into the ground_ is not the sort of thing deserving of trademark or copyright protection 20:50 <@Dagmar> The only people to blame for the "dilution" of what they were doing are themselves... for coming up with such a lame gimmick in the first place. 20:52 <@RangerZ> 'best' part is that they were copyright claiming 'react' videos that were 'reacting' to their own videos 20:52 <@RangerZ> which is why DMCA/youtube's system in particular is such BS 20:53 <@Dagmar> Seriously? They actually went so far as to pull that shit? 20:53 <@Dagmar> Wow. They're fuckin' _done_ then. 20:54 <@Dagmar> If they were worried about how they were going to sustain the size of their "company" with it's rather sketchy business model before, I suppose that was one way to remove all doubt 21:00 <@RangerZ> yeah, they want a copyright on the term 'react' 21:00 <@RangerZ> and even said shit about The Ellen Show doing 'react' videos 21:01 <@RangerZ> somehow I doubt they went forward trying to claim copyright on -that-... 21:08 -!- jaake [~h4ckm3@c-174-49-4-78.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 21:32 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 21:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 22:07 -!- Novex [~deadcell@107.181.179.146] has joined #se2600 22:07 -!- Novex [~deadcell@107.181.179.146] has left #se2600 ["Leaving"] 22:12 -!- LastChild [Narf@DHCP-129-59-41-106.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 22:39 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8nSn7PWcw 22:39 < PigBot> Title: The Division PC Beta Is Easily Hacked - GS News Update - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jpljeul 22:39 <@RangerZ> client side authoritative stats.... yeah... 'not' a good idea 22:43 <@RangerZ> https://www.rt.com/news/330728-gmo-mosquitoes-zika-virus/ 22:43 < PigBot> Title: GMO mosquitoes could be cause of Zika outbreak, critics say — RT News (at www.rt.com) http://tinyurl.com/zjmoobv 22:43 <@RangerZ> isn't that the starting plot line for a lto of zombie movies? 22:44 <@RangerZ> s/lto/lot 22:50 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vtkeweziyzmtrynb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 23:28 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 23:45 -!- oddball_ [~oddball@c-98-240-105-54.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:48 -!- giezr_ [~giezr@198.143.186.116] has joined #se2600 23:48 -!- brimston3 [~brimstone@noranti.in.the.narro.ws] has joined #se2600 23:49 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @brimstone, giezr, oddball, dfused 23:50 -!- dfused [~dfused@li818-83.members.linode.com] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Mon Feb 01 00:00:53 2016