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00:09 < aestetix> wow, you just cannot win with the SJWs
00:49 <@RangerZ> why were you trying to man-plain things to them in the first place?
00:49 <@RangerZ> aestetix: you should know better
00:49 <@RangerZ> its like talking to a libertarian, they think they know right, and refuse to learn anything about the realities of the world they live in
01:27 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRv7G7WpOoU
01:27 < PigBot> Title: SNOWBOARDING WITH THE NYPD - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jx6plb3
01:27 <@RangerZ> he snowboards through the travel ban in NYC
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06:44 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:52 <@Dagmar> Oh shit
07:52 <@Dagmar> The mouse dun goofed
07:53 <@Dagmar> Having your workers train their own replacements _as a condition of severance_ when those workers are H-1B visa people?
07:53 <@Dagmar> Oh hell they're going to lose their suit
07:54 <@Dagmar> loool
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08:14 < _NSAKEY> http://www.businessinsider.com/california-bill-would-outlaw-encryption-on-smartphones-iphone-android-human-trafficking-2016-1?IR=T&r=UK
08:14 < PigBot> Title: California bill would outlaw encryption on smartphones - Business Insider (at www.businessinsider.com) http://tinyurl.com/jsfuw4l
08:14 < _NSAKEY> This is going to get entertaining.
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10:01 <@Mirage> I think someone needs to have a door key/encrytion comparison chat with law makers so they might understand the real implications of the idiocity they keep trying to push.
10:02 <@RangerZ> Mirage: but the laws won't apply to the rich/powerful
10:02 <@RangerZ> what do they care about?
10:03 <@Mirage> Surely they would understand how insane it would be to force all "door lock manufacturers" to have one single master key created to open any door.
10:03 <@Mirage> And the widespread implications of that key faling into the wrong hands
10:06 <@RangerZ> thats not even the arguement
10:07 <@RangerZ> the better point is... "do you think someone won't re-make that key if you give them enough locks?"
10:09 <@Mirage> True too
10:09 <@Mirage> But requires more logic and abstract thought, which the politicians have already proven they can't use
10:11 <@RangerZ> nah
10:11 <@RangerZ> they can
10:11 <@RangerZ> they just generally refuse to do so
10:13 <@RangerZ> THEN ask them "alright, well then.... imagine a box with all of your personal se(x)crets and your private romantic encounters and info in it. and that box has the same master key as my box, and the other millions upon millions of boxes out there."
10:14 <@Evilpig> that wouldn't register, Mirage had it right with the door
10:14 <@RangerZ> nope that wouldn't.... but this would...
10:14 <@Evilpig> you take out your front door key and say very clearly "my key is the same as yours, what's to stop me from going into your house and moving in"
10:14 <@RangerZ> "Would you enjoy someone having the master key to that? Perhaps the head of the local political party that isn't yours? do you think they wouldn't use it?"
10:15 <@RangerZ> [Thus, the decision to step away from Twitter. He’ll still be making videos, but he hopes moving away from social media is for the best, in the years he has.]
10:15 <@RangerZ> http://kotaku.com/totalbiscuit-quits-social-media-with-emotional-goodbye-1754991166
10:15 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
10:15 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I think that would help 'The years you have left' too
10:21 < aestetix> who is totalbiscuit?
10:22 <@RangerZ> he's one of the top youtubers
10:22 <@RangerZ> he does videos on video games, non-score based reviews
10:22 <@RangerZ> In a separate post prior to leaving social media, Bain wrote: ”I wish social media had never been invented, it might be the worst thing to have happened to discourse in human history.”
10:22 <@RangerZ> lol
10:28 <@Evilpig> I'll agree with that
10:29 < aestetix> Evilpig: but you had a chance to destroy a large part of the problem
10:29 <@Evilpig> I did, and I chose my career instead
10:30 < aestetix> You could have blamed it on RangerZ
10:31 <@RangerZ> and lets be honest, its not like there weren't systems in place to restore whatever damage he would have done
10:32 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: I could have done major damage
10:33 < aestetix> oh come on you guys saw Mr. Robot right?
10:33 <@Evilpig> since they were in a single site configuration I could easily destroy it.
10:35 <@Evilpig> lemme put it this way.  if I wanted to take the site down while I was there, and accept the going to jail and eventual lawsuits.  I'd do it during a snowstorm.  start but cutting the primary incoming fiber connections
10:35 <@Evilpig> then i'd go pull all the drives out of the hadoop nodes one at a time to make sure the arrays failed with no chance of rebuilding
10:35 <@Evilpig> at that point the site is essentially done
10:35  * aestetix takes notes
10:35 <@Evilpig> as would be my career and freedom
10:36 <@Evilpig> assuming they put the drives back in and marked them as good, odds are the data wouldn't be repairable.  this would lead to the secondary problem of connectivity and repairing the fiber wouldn't be easy
10:41 < aestetix> If you wanted to give us the root password to the systems, what would you say?
10:42 <@Evilpig> I'd say it's random for every system
10:44 < aestetix> So if I were a private key for the root system, what would I look like?
10:44 <@Evilpig> you don't exist
10:45 < aestetix> Ok. If I were the keystore for all the random passwords, where would I live?
10:46 <@Evilpig> someplace safe
10:47 < aestetix> Would someone like you have access to it?
10:47 <@Evilpig> not anymore
10:47 < aestetix> Who might?
10:48 <@Evilpig> people that need that kind of information to do their job
10:48 < aestetix> Do any of them like alcohol a little too much?
10:49 <@Evilpig> all of them, they're young and like to drink
10:50 < aestetix> Do they like women too?
10:51 <@RangerZ> I'd say like 90% of them
10:51 <@RangerZ> based on statistics
10:51 <@Evilpig> your stats would be wrong
10:51 < aestetix> Ok. So they are young, like drinking too much, and women. I see no way this can be exploited.
10:51 <@Evilpig> well... maybe not.  alot of the "girls" liked girls.  and a few of the girls liked girls too
10:52 <@RangerZ> thats what I was counting on, plus the younger you are, the more 'fluid' your sexuality is suppose to be
10:52 <@RangerZ> look at _NSAKEY
10:52 <@RangerZ> he's what.... 19 now?
10:53 < aestetix> Evilpig: "girls"?
10:53 <@RangerZ> also, I was just assuming that it was a sausage fest
10:57 <@Evilpig> aestetix: https://www.google.com/search?q=Amelia+Gapin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X
10:57 < PigBot> Title: Amelia Gapin - Google Search (at www.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/gvot539
10:58 < aestetix> who is that
10:58 <@Evilpig> that's an example of a "girl"
10:59 < aestetix> are they trans or something?
10:59 <@RangerZ> a pretty jewish one
10:59 <@RangerZ> she looks like 1/2 the jewish girls I've gone to school with, so I'm guessing here
11:00 < aestetix> Evilpig: did you discover they were trans after a heavy makeout session?
11:00 <@Evilpig> aestetix: that person is married and I kept my distance
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11:57 <@rattle> Greeeeeeat..  Another one.  https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2016-January/000058.html
11:57 < PigBot> Title: [openssl-announce] Forthcoming OpenSSL releases (at mta.openssl.org) http://tinyurl.com/j7k6x3u
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12:10 < aestetix> rattle: good thing we have LibreSSL
12:33 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Where's their announcement?
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13:03 <@Mirage> Damn..Vanderbilt 401k valuation dropped 7.75% this month.  Good thing I'm not retiring anytime soon.
13:03 <@Mirage> EMC one was almost as bad.
13:03 < trickshotjohnny> the entire market is like that right now.
13:03 <@Dagmar> That reminds me that I need to transfer those funds out of it
13:04 < trickshotjohnny> uh, what?
13:04 <@Dagmar> The new system they're using actually makes money for the university
13:04 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm not about to take a bet as to who gets paid first in that arrangement, therefore, they don't get to hold my money in their plan anymore
13:05 <@Dagmar> I would not be even a little bit suprised to find the plan valuation for participants came because the university arranged to have a guaranteed payout
13:05 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Hear that..Dag and I are psuedo-technically paying part your wages, so you have to do what we say.
13:06 <@Evilpig> I'm listening to everything you two demand, and promptly ignoring it
13:06 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Much more likely, since they are based on stock portfolios, that the stock market has more to do with it than VU
13:06 < trickshotjohnny> well, that's like transfer to like.  cashing out of the market right now would be a bad move, though.
13:07 <@Evilpig> Mirage: it could be partially influenced by the impending split and moving assets between the two entities
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13:07 <@Mirage> The way I look at it is that the market going down is good for me because that means my contributions buy more stock
13:07 <@Mirage> Because my contributions are always the same
13:08 <@Dagmar> what... zeor?
13:08 <@Dagmar> er zero?
13:08 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Fidelity's 401k has nothing to do with VU splitting
13:08 < trickshotjohnny> well, the entire S&P500 has dropped by the exact percentage you mentioned, so I doubt that there's something fishy going on elsewhere.
13:09 <@Dagmar> No, but if you're about to say "The market never collapses" I will laugh at you
13:09 <@Mirage> Dagmar: for VU that's true, yes...but for EMC it means i get more stocks
13:09  * trickshotjohnny checks to see if there's a stock market, still.
13:09 < trickshotjohnny> yep, never collapsed.
13:09 <@Dagmar> My parents retirement funds lost so much value they might as well have stopped saving in the 80's
13:10 <@Dagmar> It's _still_ not competitive against The Mattress Fund
13:10 < trickshotjohnny> sucks for your parents, but what does their strategy have to do with the market at large?
13:11 <@Dagmar> That if you think "professional" fund managers are any more accurate or reliable than a dartboard or a fucking chicken, you've drunk far too much kool-aid
13:11 <@Dagmar> When the market is about to collaps is ALWAYS a good time to pull funds out
13:12  * Evilpig checks the dark web for "fucking chicken"
13:14 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I think you have that movie already
13:14 < trickshotjohnny> Dagmar: that's why I prefer unprofessional fund managers.  they'll call you a fucking moron for thinking that cashing out at the bottom is a good idea.
13:14 <@Dagmar> We're not at the bottom
13:15 < trickshotjohnny> uh huh
13:15 < trickshotjohnny> what's the bottom?  0?
13:15 <@Dagmar> We're due for another fucking crash
13:16 < trickshotjohnny> how so?
13:16 <@Dagmar> Drat.  PetSmart is selling all their stuff 25% off online.  Looks like I get to go down there and order through my phone.
13:17 <@Dagmar> trickshotjohnny: Since the housing bubble popped, exactly how many of the factors that led to it were corrected?
13:18 <@Dagmar> It's an industry filled with people who can't go to jail, who have a guaranteed payday, and who literally spend all day sniffing each others farts
13:18 <@Dagmar> Of _course_ it's going to fall apart on them again
13:18 <@Dagmar> The oil industry change is just the thing to set it off, too
13:19 <@Dagmar> At any rate, I'm pulling my shit out of Vanderbilt's plan because fuck them
13:20 < trickshotjohnny> well, I can see you've taken the "don't make investing decisions based on emotion" and gone the opposite direction.
13:20 <@Dagmar> There's no emotion involved in refusing to deal with the morally bankrupt
13:21 < trickshotjohnny> no idea what factors that lead to the housing bubble that you're talking about, so I have no idea which ones you think have been corrected or not.  You're failing the burden of proof in the argument completely.
13:21 < trickshotjohnny> your evidence is an ad hominem attack on the executors of the market.  I don't think that they're the nicest bunch of guys, but "the stock market is failing because fuck bankers" is completely nonsensical.
13:22 <@Dagmar> If you think that was my argument, you weren't paying enough attention
13:22 < trickshotjohnny> Ah, can't effectively argue your position, so you're moving to attack me because I state that your arguments don't make sense to me.
13:23 <@Dagmar> About a year and a half before I left Vanderbilt, they changed the retirement plan company they were using to another company that had a plan that actually (somehow) pays Vanderbilt based on the value of the employee plans
13:23 <@Dagmar> Being that Vanderbilt are shits and were only a decent place for a brief period of time which completely evaporated after Chancellor Gee left, I see no reason to allow them to continue to benefit from the presence of my money
13:23 < trickshotjohnny> but your argument is that the vanderbilt plan sucks because it lost 7% of value while ignoring the fact that the S&P500 market index also lost 7% in value simultaneously.
13:24 <@Dagmar> Again, you weren't paying close enough fucking attention
13:24 < trickshotjohnny> if you're going to say something to me, say something that is worth the electrons on the wire.
13:25 < trickshotjohnny> I'm paying attention, and your claims have lots of holes.
13:25 <@Dagmar> I stated fairly clearly that I strongly suspect that Vanderbilt gets paid no matter what happens, which means the fund may well have done slightly better than the market, but it wouldn't matter because Vanderbilt came first when it comes time to get paid
13:25 < trickshotjohnny> question isn't that, though.  question is would you be better off if you had invested in an after-tax brokerage account instead.
13:25 <@Dagmar> Wouldn't it have been nice for that to be a valid question
13:26 < trickshotjohnny> because they have a 401k, you're not elligible to make pre-tax contributions to a personal IRA.  Your other options are personal over the counter investments.
13:26 <@Dagmar> In case you haven't noticed, companies with a retirement fund no longer allow you to _optionally_ contribute to the plan
13:26 < trickshotjohnny> no one can force you to contribute to a 401k AFAIK
13:26 <@Dagmar> ...and Vanderbilt had a j, not a k
13:26 < trickshotjohnny> they can just say "If you contribute to one, this is what you have to contribute to"
13:27 <@Dagmar> https://hr.vanderbilt.edu/benefits/retirement/
13:27 < PigBot> Title: Human Resources | Vanderbilt University (at hr.vanderbilt.edu) http://tinyurl.com/zlbr9r4
13:28 <@Dagmar> "Participation is mandatory as a condition of employment for eligible employees."
13:28 < trickshotjohnny> that language is not present on the page you linked to
13:29 <@Dagmar> No wonder you're having trouble keeping up.
13:29 <@Dagmar> There's three fucking sentences in the sole paragraph on that page
13:29 < trickshotjohnny> mandatory 3% contribution
13:29 <@Dagmar> What I _copied and pasted_ is the third sentence.
13:29 < trickshotjohnny> http://hr.vanderbilt.edu/benefits/RetirementSPD.pdf
13:29 < PigBot> trickshotjohnny: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
13:29 < trickshotjohnny> that is the link that contains your text, fuckwad
13:29 <@Dagmar> 3% is bigger than any of the raises anyone ever got there.
13:30 < trickshotjohnny> the third sentence you copied and pasted comes from the PDF
13:30 <@Dagmar> trickshotjohnny: Tough shit fuckwit, the text is on that page
13:30 < trickshotjohnny> not present on my browser.  good for you.
13:31 < trickshotjohnny> the word 'mandatory' wasn't on the page.
13:31 < trickshotjohnny> ctrl-f 'mandatory' no results.
13:31 < trickshotjohnny> it was in the PDF linked on the page.
13:31 <@Mirage> trickshotjohnny: VU is good at making employees follow questionable practices by labeling them "a condition of employment"
13:31 <@Dagmar> Then learn to fuckin' type is all I have to say
13:31 < trickshotjohnny> yeah, that is pretty shitty.
13:32 < trickshotjohnny> part of why I don't call back recruiters about .edu, .gov, or .mil jobs.
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13:33 <@Dagmar> http://dagmar.isamotherfucking.ninja/dumbass.png
13:34 < trickshotjohnny> Dagmar: good luck surviving the impending market collapse.  make sure you stock up on bread and milk.
13:34 <@Dagmar> ...and being that I *know* Vanderbilt doesn't change their actual content based on the browser type, I think you shoudl probably shut your hole about claims that the text wasn't on that page
13:34 <@Dagmar> Remember, Mirage and I used to _run_ those fucking servers
13:35 < trickshotjohnny> key word being 'used to'?
13:35 <@Mirage> trickshotjohnny: my favorite "condition of employment" that we had was the HR policy we had to sign stating that we were required to be in the office 8hrs per day, there was no such thing as comp time, and that we also had to work any additional hours as required by our position.   in ITS with DNS/web changes coming in daily and not being able to be made until after 6pm for some or 11pm for others, that made for lots of averge wo
13:35 <@Dagmar> Oh you're about to try to argue that it's our fault Vanderbilt are dicks?
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13:36 <@Dagmar> You should really show up to a meeting in person and talk shit like that
13:36 < trickshotjohnny> oh, I'm familiar with VU IT.
13:37 < trickshotjohnny> you both are preaching gospel.
13:37 <@Dagmar> THeir fuckwit policies are how I found out Dominos will send you a fucking Christmas card if you order more than 100 pizzas a year
13:37 <@Dagmar> I was ordering a pizza every time I had to do an after hours change at 10pm because of fuckwittery
13:38 <@Dagmar> I still feel bad for having talked Mirage into sticking it out a few more weeks after we got horse-traded back to ITS and put under that fat fucktard Hogan
13:39 <@Mirage> It worked out...I escaped VU and Nashville both...and actually get paid now.
13:39 < trickshotjohnny> do you have as much frosty piss from it as dagmar?
13:40 <@Dagmar> LIke I said, you should show up to a meeting in person and talk shit like this
13:40 <@Mirage> What we were making at ITS doesn't count.  Those salaries were more like just adding insult to injury for what we were responsible for and doing.
13:41 <@Dagmar> I think considering that the difference between what they were paying me and what I should have been getting was over $100,000 by the time I left, the entire place can go straight to hell
13:41 <@Dagmar> ...and that is an _extremely_ conservative estimate.
13:41 <@Dagmar> I've enjoyed hearing about their all-day outages of email since I left
13:42 <@Mirage> Dagmar: all that got moved to Exchange, including the smtp-routing layer, so wouldn't have been our problem anyway.
13:42 <@Dagmar> THat's why they had the all-day outage
13:43 <@Dagmar> They foolishly did their usual bullshit of pretending to know what was going on
13:43 <@Dagmar> Did not do the research that you or I did
13:43 <@Dagmar> Did not sufficiently test before deploying
13:43 <@Dagmar> ...and had no proper ability to roll it back when it started failing (which was almost immediately)
13:44 <@Dagmar> So, even once they got it _working_ again they lost a lot of functionality
13:45 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is that it wasn't THAT goddamn complex
13:45 <@Mirage> Given that the massive exchange hosts were regularly getting hammered into non-existence by those tiny linux boxes, i'm suprised they even finally attempted it.
13:46 <@Dagmar> Once I broke the fucking thing down I had new m4 files ready to go
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13:46 <@Dagmar> Of course, I absolutely deleted those from the laptop before I left
13:47 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I thought by now you'd have become familiar with the "Everything is fine" approach to adminning the Windows teams used
13:47 <@Dagmar> That red line for "mysteriously dropped connections from the Exchange servers" never, ever went away
13:47 <@Dagmar> ...and at no point was Roland _ever_ made to account for it.
13:48 <@Dagmar> On two separate occasions, someone _really high_ in the org chart had mails delayed for 24 hours because of that
13:48 <@Mirage> Of course not, he was one of the main ones with his nose up Hogan's ass
13:48 <@Dagmar> My response was the same both times... "Fix the exchange servers.  Here is the list of times during the day the mail was attempted to be sent, but the Exchange servers didn't feel like cooperating"
13:50 <@Dagmar> It still kills me that the reason Mysql02 finally got out from under the bullshit of the overloading mssql servers was _Roland_ saying he thought that _it_ was slowing down Sharepoint
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...and they moved it as a standard change
13:50 <@Dagmar> No notification whatsoever to people like... _me_
13:50 <@Dolemite> dafuq
13:50 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: If you think I'm exaggerating in saying I'd be justified in taking a swing at Hogan, you'd be wrong
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13:51 <@Dolemite> Well Hogan deserves a dickpunch for so many other reason already
13:51 <@Dagmar> I sent that fat fucker mails two weeks in advance of the last catastrophic meltdown of the entire web environment telling him in very direct ways it was _going_ to happen again
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13:51 <@Dagmar> ...and once again I got to spend roughly 18 hours straight _just_ beating up servers to prevent public-facing downtime
13:52 <@Dagmar> I brought him the graphs from the storage team showing him how overloaded that segment was
13:52 <@Dagmar> Direct 1:1 correlations between dismal failures in the environment and their causes, and still he did _nothing_
13:52 <@Dagmar> Well, other than claim on a performance review that I lacked the interest or ability to be a part of a team
13:53 <@Mirage> At the time I left the main problem with the web environment, and most everything else in Hill was that the storage was setup wrong and that two MSSQL servers were decimating the performance by generating more IOPs themselves than the etire Virtual Environment
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13:53 <@Dagmar> Considering that I spent a lot of time running around to people's desks to get them on board with solutions... fuck him especially hard for that
13:53 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Yeah after you left I brought him _color fucking pictures_ of the overloaded segments of the storage fabric
13:54 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: "the team" = butt sniffers of him/whoever he butt sniffs
13:54 <@Dagmar> A week later they experimentally relocated a certain Dean's 1Gb tables to it's own instance, because he and Sean collectively decided that might have been the problemn
13:54 <@Mirage> Yeah, it had already been communicated before that as well..though I'm sure he acted like it was something new
13:54 <@Dagmar> That's when I completely lost respect for Sean's ability to troubleshoot
13:55 <@Dagmar> 1Gb of bullshit or not, Villettes nonsense never wound up in the slow-query list
13:55 <@Mirage> I'm suprised you ever had any respect for anything about Sean except for his capacity to deflect and be a douche
13:55 <@Dagmar> Well, he read some of the right bogs
13:55 <@Dagmar> er blogs
13:56 <@Dagmar> His ability to be an effective engineer was next to nothing tho
13:56 <@Mirage> Well, he was originally hired on by Guy based on the merits he exhibited during a flight from CA
13:57 <@Dagmar> Seriously tho... HOgan wrote that in my performance review while _telling me_ "Oh you don't need to read that" during the meeting to discuss it
13:57 <@Mirage> Dolemite missed so much fun when he fled VU for ORNL
13:58 <@Dagmar> The level of chicanery just kept increasing exponentially
13:58 <@Dolemite> Yeah, on one hand I have to wonder what would have happened had I stuck around and cockblocked Hogan from being in that position...   and on the other, I'm so glad I left when I did
13:59 <@Dagmar> When reading my office email is literally the first thing I do when I get up in the morning, afaic people can fuck right off about whether or not I am at my "desk" at 8:58 or 9:02
14:00 <@Dagmar> ...especially considering more than one of those "incidents" was me stopping to check in with the backup or storage teams to find out what the status of a problematic issue was
14:12 <@Dagmar> Actually, that was most of them.  I was deliberately fucking with whoever was clock watching.
14:14 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: I hate to point out.... that you were -purposely- not "playing along to get along"
14:14 <@RangerZ> and that is what "they" (yes, the magical 'they') don't like
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14:27 <@RangerZ> so I just pre-ordered every game I'm planning on buying this year. Amazon has just basically made Gamestop a _complete_ waste of time/effort. especially with the 20% off on pre-orders (plus billing doesn't happen until shipping, unlike Gamestop)
14:29 <@CRasH180> not so much for people that do not like to pre-order games, but actually enjoy going to a store to look at games, hardware, etc up close and personal
14:29 <@CRasH180> or, people that still enjoy pre-ordering, but also enjoy what I just mentioned too
14:30 <@RangerZ> CRasH180: I agree, but the 'thing' is... you haven't stepped into a gamestop recently have you?
14:30 <@Mirage> RangerZ: but you're missing out on the "exclusive content" you get from buying at GameStop
14:30 <@CRasH180> I have actually
14:30 <@CRasH180> about a week ago
14:30 <@RangerZ> ahh, the one near here is basically a fucking thinkgeek store that 'happens' to have some games
14:31 <@CRasH180>  Oh, well, that sucks
14:31 <@RangerZ> sorry.... thinkgeek AND skylanders/disney infinity/etc
14:31 <@CRasH180> When I was in Nashville, the one on Nolensville Pk and Old Hickory Blvd was pretty well stocked
14:31 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: No, I was looking for the only way I could get out of there, because I'm not the type of man who _quits_ just because something is hard
14:32 <@Dagmar> I wanted a moral victory, including knowing exactly who was complicit in the bullshit
14:32 <@CRasH180> Although, we went to the Best Buy here in Orlando and it was a Sky Landers game land
14:32 <@Dagmar> Also, I wanted to make certain I had the option to file a lawsuit if needed
14:33 <@CRasH180> Reminded me too much of Pokemon taking over an entire shelf
14:33 <@Dagmar> Hey at least it wasn't fucking Care Bears at Hot Topic
14:33 <@CRasH180> lol
14:33 <@CRasH180> No, that would be Tear Bears, not Care Bears
14:33 <@Dagmar> As a matter of fact it actually _was_ fucking Care Bears
14:33 <@CRasH180> what?!
14:34 <@Dagmar> The two and a half feet tall kind, all over the walls
14:34 <@CRasH180> wtf
14:34 <@CRasH180> Ok, that is just scary
14:34 <@Dagmar> The next to last time I was in one of those places I had one of their sales people quip something along the lines of "if you want to be goth about it" or somesuch
14:34 <@Dagmar> ...while I'm standing there in all-black everything, including tie.
14:35 <@Dagmar> Now they basically sell children's clothes and piercings that children can't use because they're children
14:35 <@CRasH180> I got nothing
14:35 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: Did I ever tell you I was offered a Assistant Manger position at the hot topic when it opened back home?
14:36 <@Dagmar> Wouldn't surprise me
14:36 <@RangerZ> This was when I wore nothing but khakis and collared shirts (for work)
14:36 <@RangerZ> but I would go into the store and look at the stickers they had and tshirts
14:36 <@RangerZ> (I went into the store at one mall, the job was at a different one)
14:37 <@RangerZ> the district manager looked like Jolie in her blond dreads from gone in 60 seconds, I found it quite amusing how much of a dead ringer she was for her in that role, lol
14:39 <@Mirage> I just had a fun conversation with a project manager explaining that SNMPv3 was a protocol implementation and not an actual software version
14:43 <@CRasH180> heh
14:48 <@RangerZ> CRasH180: yeah, I talked to the manager of the store here, and apparently all the stores are going to be like that soon. They are moving more and more to 'gaming merchandise'
14:49 <@CRasH180> oh goodness. That is not a good idea
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14:51 <@RangerZ> hell... I remember when I started working at the Software Etc. in high school... that 1/2 the store was still computer games
14:51 <@RangerZ> now, you are lucky to get more than an endcap
14:52 <@RangerZ> hell.... we even had top tier video cards -in stock-
14:53 <@RangerZ> but digital distribution just killed them
14:53 <@RangerZ> and a LOT of people are moving that way for console games too
14:54 <@RangerZ> well... "digital" -> piracy  90s/00s , and then steam later 00s and 10s
14:55 <@CRasH180> yeah
14:56 <@CRasH180> We mainly go there for stuff for our WII U
14:56 <@RangerZ> for PS Vita games I buy almost exclusively digital now, but physical for 3DS
14:57 <@RangerZ> mainly because Sony at least has a clue about digital purchases, whereas nintendo is only 'now' realizing that -maybe- it should have a single account for everything
14:57 <@RangerZ> and nintendo purchases are tied to your -hardware- not an 'account'
14:58 <@RangerZ> at least for 3ds, not 100% sure on wii u
14:58 <@Mirage> god forbid that you're Wii/3DS blow up and have to be replaced then.
14:58 <@CRasH180> They are tied to your account on the WII U as well
14:58 <@RangerZ> Mirage: thats the thing, they are tied to 'both', but "really" the hardware
14:58 <@RangerZ> which makes it 'weird'
14:59 <@CRasH180> You still need a big enough hard drive to download the games of course
14:59 <@RangerZ> you can transfer , just a PITA
15:01 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: nintendo purchases are boudn to your account
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15:04 <@CRasH180> Yep
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15:20 <@RangerZ> wow.... fuck MSFT
15:20 <@RangerZ> ...no I do NOT want to "rate" the fucking _calculator_ .... in your 'app store'
15:21 <@RangerZ> there is a reason why I disabled cortana and that nonsense
15:23 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: At least you can call Nintendo and transfer the licenses to new hardware
15:23 <@Dagmar> They're totally fine with that
15:34 <@Evilpig> I thought I was gonna hvae to do that the other night
15:35 <@Evilpig> the right button on my 3ds stopped working.  I took it apart and just reconnected the ribbon and it started working right again
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16:21 <@Dagmar> Damn idiot started working through the phone nonsens again
16:21 <@Dagmar> er call flow
16:21 <@Dagmar> Jesus jumping christ
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16:55  * aestetix touches the PigBot 
17:00 <@Evilpig> this is an interesting idea.  https://www.snappower.com/snaprays-guidelight/
17:00 < PigBot> Title: SnapPower Guidelights - New | SnapPower (at www.snappower.com) http://tinyurl.com/zeovyef
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17:06 < aestetix> ok
17:06 < aestetix> what is a website with a lot of annoying ads?
17:06 < aestetix> Testing out something, and I do not want to disable adblock
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17:13 <@Evilpig> facebook
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17:18 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR2OWrOc8xk&feature=youtu.be
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17:18 <@Dagmar> Wheee
17:18 < PigBot> Title: Today Show host Karl Stefanovic in stitches over Oporto robbery heroes - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jhbm358
17:18 <@Dagmar> More nonsense and lies from Comcast
17:18 < aestetix> this is the best interview ever
17:18 <@Dagmar> That rep just told me that Extreme 250 is only for business customers
17:18 <@Dagmar> Their website disagrees
17:20 <@Evilpig> ummm they don't have any extreme anything on the business side
17:20 <@Evilpig> the biggest they offer before teh gig connections is called "Deluxe 150"
17:20 <@Evilpig> and that's $250 a month for 150 / 15
17:20 <@Evilpig> my bad.  150 / 20
17:24 <@Dagmar> Fuck 'em.  I'm going to call them again.
17:25 <@Dagmar> I'm looking at the damn bill from the start of the month and it has 'Extreme 250 Internet' right on it
17:25 <@Evilpig> sounds like you got someone that doesn't know their own service offerings again
17:26 <@Dagmar> The website also tells me that Extreme 250 is available
17:32 <@Dagmar> Like it matters but I just used the URL from the bill to file a complaint with Comcast via nashville.gov
17:32 <@Dagmar> Now I'm going to call them again about the speed thing
17:33 <@Dagmar> Damnit.  PetSmart must not have had that cat tree in stock like hte sytsem thought
17:33 <@Dagmar> ...or at all
17:33 <@Dagmar> It's literally gone from the website now
17:34 <@Dagmar> At least the OTHER one I just tried to order was in
17:34 <@Dagmar> Gonna call Comcast while I use the bathroom and then go pick it up
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18:04 <@Dagmar> Okay, so... apparently the Extreme 250 Internet service _is_ available, but only with a 24-month termination agreement
18:05 <@Dagmar> _That_ I'm not willing to suffer
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20:08 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah, I saw that and I was like.... ohh... 'thats a thing'...
20:16 <@RangerZ> so.... I just realized that you can _MUTE_ tabs.... I wonder how that is going to become important when HTML5 ads start to be pushed out...
20:16 <@RangerZ> you know... with <sound>fuck-you-and-your-ears</sound>
20:47 <@RangerZ> so republican governor decides to ask for Medicare for all Flint MI children until they are 21
20:48 <@RangerZ> I guess we just need to poison every person in the US to get universal healthcare... :/
20:53 <@Dagmar> Ugh.
20:53 <@Dagmar> I got the _monstrous_ cat tree home
20:53 <@Dagmar> Mortie apparently thinks it smells suspicious
20:55 <@RangerZ> 1) because you have so much free space? 2) does it?
20:56 <@RangerZ> 3) try freebreeze it to get possible smell of cleaner(s)/etc out of it?
20:56 <@Dagmar> I'm going to rub catnip all over it
20:56 <@Dagmar> I had to sort of corkscrew it to get it into my car
20:56 <@RangerZ> oh geeze....
20:56 < _NSAKEY> Was it the cat tree you were originally wanting?
20:56 <@RangerZ> I never even thought about 'how you got it home'....
20:57 < _NSAKEY> It can't be that monsterous, if you fit it in your rollerskate.
20:57 <@RangerZ> he never said his window was closed
20:57 <@Dagmar> http://www.petsmart.com/cat/furniture-towers/whisker-city-skyscraper-cat-tree-zid36-5177897/cat-36-catid-200085?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
20:57 < PigBot> Title: Whisker City® Skyscraper Cat Tree | Furniture & Towers | PetSmart (at www.petsmart.com) http://tinyurl.com/z6pn373
20:57 <@Dagmar> 65" tall
20:58 <@Dagmar> I did advise PetSmart to keep a picture of it handy because if I had an accident on the way home the hospital was going to need some guidance in sorting out what belongs to what
21:03 <@Dagmar> Okay, now that it's had catnip rubbed all over it she's crawling all over the thing.  Hehe
21:04 <@RangerZ> Dagmar, just be glad they don't have a bouncy castle with Suicide Girls spread all over it
21:04 <@RangerZ> hehe
21:04 <@RangerZ> s/glad/upset/      one of the two...
21:05 <@Dagmar> o.O
21:05 <@Dagmar> THe things I could do...
21:07 <@RangerZ> "no shirt, no shoes, no leaving"
21:07 <@RangerZ> hehe
21:15 <@Dagmar> "No shirt, no shoes, FREE DRINKS!"
21:20 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CAy5cR_Dds wow... Rand Paul actually calling Trump a delusional narcissist and a windbag unfit to be president
21:20 < PigBot> Title: The Nightly Show - Rand Paul on the Donald Trump Phenomenon - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zl7wrnl
21:24 <@RangerZ> but I got a question.... http://lowel.tiffen.com/rifa/rifa66_b.html anyone know WTF  [ FC(lux)5' ] means? (I mean I 'know' what it means.... but I have no idea how to convert that to lumens or lux @1m, etc.
21:24 < PigBot> Title: Lowel Rifa eXchange 66 (at lowel.tiffen.com) http://tinyurl.com/hxcb427
21:35 <@Dagmar> Damn, I wish I'd known people in ED were finding "unknown artifacts" in space that broadcast messages
21:36 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: light at five feet and ten feet
21:42 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: I know that much, but its a non-standard measurement, because 3ft (1m actually) _is_
21:49 <@Dagmar> Well, I suppose they could use math and just give two numbers
21:49 <@Dagmar> ...but then all the studio people would be "math is hard!"
21:49 <@RangerZ> I'm not against 'doing the math'... but I don't know the formula for light diffusion, etc...
21:51 <@Dagmar> You probably wouldn't want it, either, since it involves humidity and atmospheric particle counts
21:53 <@Dagmar> THey made the chart pretty simple tho
21:53 <@Dagmar> FC being foot candles, lux being 10.8 times that
21:54 <@Dagmar> I say just use some desk lamps and call it good.  :0
21:54 <@Dagmar> ;)
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21:56 <@Dagmar> I'm sorry
21:56 <@Dagmar> This is going to seem cruel but...
21:56 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
21:56 <@Dagmar> http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/2-robertson-county-teens-die-after-drinking-racing-fuel
21:56 < PigBot> Title: 2 Robertson County Teens Die After Drinking Racing Fuel - Story (at www.newschannel5.com) http://tinyurl.com/jrf89w7
21:56 <@RangerZ> um....wtf
21:56 <@Dagmar> Seriously.  What the fuck are these hillbillies thinking
21:58 <@RangerZ> I mean.... wtf...
21:58 <@RangerZ> _where_ or _how_ did they get the idea that would be 1) safe 2) good idea
22:04 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: so apparently light (and many other things) follow the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
22:04 < PigBot> Title: Inverse-square law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/95nb8hw
22:05 <@RangerZ> so the light gives off 3000 FC
22:06 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Someone at Mountain Dew is probably throwing a fit.
22:06 < _NSAKEY> http://www.mountaindew.com/dewshine/
22:06 < PigBot> Title: Mountain Dew DEWshine (at www.mountaindew.com) http://tinyurl.com/pdye64v
22:10 < _NSAKEY> https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/01/26/0330200
22:10 < PigBot> Title: Trend Micro AV Has HTTP Listener Which Can Run Arbitary OS Commands From the Internet - SoylentNews (at soylentnews.org) http://tinyurl.com/jn4bchv
22:18 <@RangerZ> [JavaScript with node.js]
22:18 <@RangerZ> End of story
22:18 <@Dagmar> Hmm... crashchrome.com
22:18 <@RangerZ> nothing good can come of that
22:18 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Yeah that's okay since it's actually not very good
22:18 <@Dagmar> I bought some
22:19 <@Dagmar> The bottle is interesting looking, but it's just "sharp" tasting without actually having a real citrus flavor
22:20 <@Dagmar> Some people might be enjoying it, but that it's not available in anything but glass bottles should tell you something about how well it's doing
22:20 < _NSAKEY> What?
22:20 < _NSAKEY> What do glass bottles have to do with the Trend Micro story?
22:20 <@Dagmar> Talking about dewshine
22:20 <@RangerZ> nothing, they have to do with dew
22:21 <@Dagmar> They sell Dewshine at both Publix and Walgreen's
22:21 < _NSAKEY> Oh, ok. I've been up since 3 and have been on the road most of the day. Right now, I am not the picture of coherence.
22:21 < _NSAKEY> 3, as in 3 AM.
22:21 <@Dagmar> I'm not going to go so far as to say 'Tastes like chemicals' but maybe if it were added to actual moonshine it might make a difference
22:22 <@Dagmar> ...and keep in mind that I *do* like the Mountain Dew White Out
22:22 <@Dagmar> ...which is literally just chemicals without even bothering with dyes
22:36 <@Dagmar> Well... shit
22:36 <@Dagmar> I guess I don't have to care about BBCA for awhile after all
22:36 <@Dagmar> No Doctor Who episodes this year
22:36 <@Dagmar> ...as in 'There will be'...
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23:31 <@RangerZ> yeah, they are on indefinite hold for right now
23:31 <@RangerZ> the Dr. decided to stop his time-lording
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23:48 <@RangerZ> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/26/five-oregon-occupiers-arrested-one-person-killed-in-confrontation-with-police/
23:48 < PigBot> Title: Eight Oregon occupiers arrested, one person killed in confrontation with police - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/hhhfbtb
23:52 <@RangerZ> good fucking riddance to these jackasses, I just wish that no one died, that way they could spend the years in prison as a fucking example of being morons
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