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06:30 <@Evilpig> fluffy white death from above!
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07:01 <@Dagmar> Well
07:01 <@Dagmar> We definitely have wintersign
07:11 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:11 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: Sleeting?
07:12 <@Dolemite> Or snow?
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07:16 <@Dagmar> Very snow.  Footage coming up in a few minutes
07:17 <@Dagmar> Rather a *lot* of snow considering that it was only supposed to start at 7am
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07:18 <@Evilpig> when I went to bed last night it was supposed to start at 10
07:18 <@Dolemite> We've got rain steadily falling here, but it's already 34F on the way to 42F for today, so I think we'll end up with a lot more rain than snow...  and certaily very little sticking to the roads
07:18 <@Evilpig> I was listening to the radio at 6 and they said it was turning from rain to snow then, but outside my apt I had half an inch on top of the ice
07:19 <@Dagmar> Oh there's ice under it?  How awesome
07:19 <@Dagmar> I'm probably going to take the cat outside in it once I'm dressed.  Hehe
07:19 <@Evilpig> yeah I was about to drive in but I slid with every step
07:19 <@Dolemite> Heh, yeah, I'm looking at radar maps right now...  Nashville is pink (ice) and everything East of it is green (rain)
07:20 <@Dolemite> You get near the TN/KY line and it turns pink to white
07:20 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: pink is okay, red is getting a little iffy
07:20 <@Dagmar> https://goo.gl/photos/hikVE7oSxB7zwPEaA
07:20 < PigBot> Dagmar: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
07:21 <@Dolemite> Ah, that looks like Knoxville did on Wednesday
07:21 <@Dolemite> Except we skipped the ice underneath.  We got actual powdery snow that made for great sledding.
07:21 <@Dolemite> Ober Gatlinburg has apparently been rather busy this week with real snow on the slopes
07:23 <@Dagmar> I'm sure they've had their hands full explaining to the tourists that snow is naturally gluten free
07:23 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/Ed6whugLiGTwUMoT9
07:23 < PigBot> Evilpig: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
07:23 <@Evilpig> attempting to work from home
07:27 <@Dolemite> Nothing wrong with getting some pussy while on the clock
07:27 <@Dolemite> I have a meeting from 9-10 and then will probably go home at lunchtime to avoid getting stuck as it changes from rain to sleet/snow this afternoon
07:40 <@klixa> yeah, my facebook is filled with Nashville snow pics... which is backwards, it shoudl be snowing in Ohio where i am...
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07:46 <@Dagmar> Not a lot of people out in it either http://ww2.tdot.state.tn.us/tsw/smartmap.htm
07:47 < PigBot> Title: TDOT Smartmap (at ww2.tdot.state.tn.us) http://tinyurl.com/d3vpm3
07:57 <@CRasH180> Traffic congestion everywhere
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08:32 < Synx_hm> i hate working from home
08:32 < Synx_hm> for a company based out of boston
08:33 < Synx_hm> no sympathy
08:33 < Synx_hm> oh neat i got a msg on irc last night being recrouted to islam
08:42 <@Evilpig> did it come complete with instructions for a bomb vest?
08:42 <@Evilpig> what's your target?
09:05 <@RangerZ> you know things are bad when Vandy cancels all classes
09:06 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: I know we talked about you pretending to recruit Synx_hm just to have him blow himself up
09:06 <@RangerZ> but I thought you were just kidding
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09:30 <@RangerZ> ETA to work 1hour and 33 minutes (74 mins more than usual)
09:32 < aestetix> jesus
09:32 < aestetix> how far from your work do you live?
09:35 < trickshotjohnny> 19 minutes away, typically?
09:48 < Synx_hm> ok dont go down nollensville road
09:48 < Synx_hm> at least not south of old hickory
09:49 < Synx_hm> ass hat decided to slow to a stop so i had no choice but to just drive around him
09:49 <@CRasH180> Weather bad in Nashville?
09:50 < Synx_hm> ha it was not susposed to snow until 11pm
09:50 < Synx_hm> i woke up to 5in of snow and its still coming down
09:50 < Synx_hm> https://twitter.com/NashSevereWx
09:50 <@CRasH180> ahhh
09:50 < PigBot> Title: NashSevereWx (@NashSevereWx) | Twitter (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hzzfq8f
09:50 < Synx_hm> make that 11am
09:50 <@Evilpig> tried to get my camera to focus on it, but not working well
09:50 <@Evilpig> http://webcam.wilpig.com
09:50 < PigBot> Title: MRTG Index Page (at webcam.wilpig.com) http://tinyurl.com/jexqh9w
09:50 <@CRasH180> yep, no mas
09:51 < Synx_hm> i went out to see if walmart had sleds :(
09:51 < Synx_hm> no luck
09:51 < Synx_hm> so i guess im one of those assholes
09:52 < Synx_hm> but i am slightly more prepaired with actual ability to drive a motor vehicle and snow raited tires + awd (not that they helps you stop in any way)
09:52 <@CRasH180> Take some cardboard and make your own. Those Dell computer boxes are heavy duty enough for that
09:52 <@CRasH180> Just put some grease on the bottom and you are off and sliding
09:52 < Synx_hm> thats good for me and the wife but not the 2 year old :(
09:52 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: anything is better than pickup truck with rwd
09:52 <@Evilpig> I'm staying right where i'm at
09:52 < Synx_hm> indeed
09:53 < Synx_hm> i do have a jar of bacon greese would work quite nice for that
09:53 <@CRasH180> All the dogs in the neighborhood would love you for using that
09:54 <@CRasH180> It is supposed to be near 60 or 70 here in Orlando today
09:54 <@CRasH180> Was chilly out this morning though
09:56 <@Dolemite> Synx_hm: A pool float works, too
09:56 < Synx_hm> oh shit
09:56 <@Evilpig> HAHAHAHAHAHA
09:56 < Synx_hm> how about a blow up kiddy pool with inflatable bottom
09:57 <@Evilpig> 1st dumbshit of the day stuck on the hill outside
09:57 < Synx_hm> god i hope i still have that
09:58 <@Evilpig> I GET TO USE MY SNOW SHOVEL!
09:58 <@Evilpig> and to everyone that laughed at me for having one.  jokes on you now
09:59 <@CRasH180> Are you going to hit someone with that?
09:59 <@CRasH180> Evilpig: Have fun playing in the snow
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10:01 <@Dolemite> snow has made it to the plateau, now.  I guess I'll be leaving work in about an hour or so.
10:02 < Synx_hm> in other news the cat does NOT like the snow
10:20 <@Dolemite> Eep.  Moving fast.  Now radar shows it all the way on the East edge of the plateau.
10:24 <@RangerZ> also, temps dropped lower/faster than predicted
10:24 <@RangerZ> so don't be 'too' reliant upon them being precise
10:24 <@Dolemite> Well it's still raining, here, and 36 F.  I'm confident I have at least an hour.
10:25 <@Dolemite> Anywho, time to go to a retirement lunch for my admin assistant
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10:56 < Synx_hm> well i feel dumb agin
11:02 <@RangerZ> trust your feelings
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11:04 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: you at vandy?
11:04 <@RangerZ> or did they send you home too? (hahahahahahahaha)
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11:05 <@CRasH180> Based on previous comments from Evilpig, I would say at home
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11:06 <@RangerZ> ahh, didn't read that, but yeah, apparently
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11:38 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: I didn't go i
11:38 <@Evilpig> in*
11:38 <@Evilpig> I was just out shoveling my truck out and laughing at my neighbors and all their little cars that practically sit on the ground that can't get over the mounds the plow made
11:39 <@Dagmar> looool
11:39 <@Dagmar> Yeah I know if I go out in my car it might count as a snow plow
11:40 <@Dagmar> I see some of the neighbors unfamiilar with how this stuff works have attempted to move their vehicles to better locations
11:40 <@Dagmar> Somehow I don't think parking in the throughway instead of a space is going to help
11:41 < Synx_hm> hey dagmar
11:41 <@Dagmar> yo
11:41 < Synx_hm> got a new question for ya
11:41 <@Dagmar> OKay
11:42 < Synx_hm> i just created a new openvswitch bridge, call it br0
11:42 < Synx_hm> there is nothing, not a thing attached to it, not a physical ethernet port not a virtual interface
11:42 <@Dagmar> OKay.  No idea why you did that tho.  Is this on BSD or something?
11:42 < Synx_hm> linux
11:42 < Synx_hm> just to play with it
11:42 < Synx_hm> i can ping the IP assigned to br0 from my entire network
11:42 < Synx_hm> how the f
11:42 <@Dagmar> Okay, _really_ no idea why you pulled in something additional because the kernel does bridging just fine
11:43 <@Dagmar> You make one of the physical ethernet interfaces a member of the bridge
11:43 < Synx_hm> i did for all of 60sec but it took down my entire access to the box
11:43 < Synx_hm> now there is nothing assigned to it
11:43 <@Dagmar> You already had an IP address attached to eth0 then
11:43 <@Dagmar> That causes LOOPS
11:43 < Synx_hm> yup
11:44 < Synx_hm> but how is it even pingable now?
11:44 <@Dagmar> You have to remove all IPv4/IPv6 address assignments from the physical ethernet address _first_, and then bind it into the bridge
11:44 <@Dagmar> Then you put your IP address on the bridge device.
11:44 < Synx_hm> somebody learned the arp addr while it was up for 60seconds and now its making it there?
11:44 < Synx_hm> ya
11:44 <@Dagmar> This is hard to wrap your head around but bear with me
11:45 <@Dagmar> Let's say eth0 is a member of the bridge.
11:45 <@Dagmar> Let's say eth0 has an address on it
11:45 <@Dagmar> Let's also say that eth0 is allowing routing.
11:46 <@Dagmar> eth0 attempts to send a packet from it's IP address to some other IP address
11:46 <@Dagmar> This packet goes out on the bridge, and is then replayed to all bridge members, including itself
11:46 <@Dagmar> So now it's got a packet from itself to some other address
11:46 <@Dagmar> eth0 attempts to send a packet from it's IP address to some other IP address
11:46 < Synx_hm> makes sense
11:46 <@Dagmar> This packet goes out on the bridge, and is then replayed to all bridge members, including itself
11:46 <@Dagmar> So now it's got a packet from itself to some other address
11:47 <@Dagmar> So now it's got a packet from itself to some other address
11:47 <@Dagmar> Over and over and over
11:47 <@Dagmar> The virtual interfaces that are members of the bridge are going to be fine
11:47 < Synx_hm> so when i removed eth0 from the bridge all my lan clients still had the arp table with the eth0 mac so i can ping the ip that was on br0 because eth0 is doing routing
11:47 <@Dagmar> The physical one will fuck right up if it has an IP address bound to it
11:48 <@Dagmar> What distro are you using?
11:48 < Synx_hm> ubuntu
11:48 <@Dagmar> Okay, so... almost certainly NetworkManager in play then if you've been keeping it update
11:48 <@Dagmar> Do everything through nmcli
11:49 < Synx_hm> dont have network manager installed per apt-get
11:49 < Synx_hm> ubuntu-server
11:49 <@Dagmar> _Interesting_
11:49 <@Dagmar> I didn't even know that was possible with ubuntu-server without a fight
11:49 < Synx_hm> i didn't do anything special
11:49 < Synx_hm> just 14.0.3 LTS normal normal install
11:50 <@Dagmar> Ah... 14, so... slightly old
11:50 <@Dagmar> ...but it works at least
11:50 < Synx_hm> all my 14 box's say network-manager is not there just checked
11:50 <@Dagmar> I think I mentioned the bugs in Network Manager which made this an anal fuckfest only got fixed in December
11:50 <@Dagmar> Well, same rules apply.  Take your ifcfg-eth0 file and basically just rename the fucker to ifcfg-br0
11:51 <@Dagmar> You'll be configuring the bridge device as if it were the physical ethernet interface
11:51 < Synx_hm> ya i can manually config via ip or ifconfig
11:52 < Synx_hm> anyways what i dont get here (and i just did a server reboot to flush configs) is how i can ping the ip on the br0 interface from my physical LAN when br0 is not attached to any interface on the box
11:52 < Synx_hm> oh nm
11:52 <@Dagmar> Oh I misread something earlier.  I thught you were asking a question about "How can I make it so I can ping the br0 interface from my entire network"
11:52 < Synx_hm> since eth0 is doing routing anyways it much see the ARP who has request and says oh look i also have that ip on br0 ill say its mine
11:52 <@Dagmar> eth0 doesnt' do any routing
11:53 <@Dagmar> ...not in this case
11:53 < Synx_hm> haha no i was asking how it was possible i was able to ping
11:53 <@Dagmar> OKay yeah if you had an IP on eth0 and br0 it will get hellishly confused
11:53 < Synx_hm> i dont anymore
11:53 < Synx_hm> and i flushed all arp caches
11:53 <@Dagmar> I'm surprised your switch didn't shut you out
11:54 <@Dagmar> Also keep in mind that Linux will respond to an ARP query on _any_ interface for any IP bound to it
11:54 < Synx_hm> i turned off loop protection on the physical switch and this server is in vmware anyways so its on a esxi vswitch before it trunks to my physcical switch
11:54 < Synx_hm> so thats how its happening then
11:54 <@Dagmar> There's a patch you have to apply to the kernel to make that stop hapening
11:54 < Synx_hm> it responds so i get its MAC of eth0, i ping br0 ip at eth0 mac and linux must do some routing magic because of the default docker iptable rules?
11:54 < Synx_hm> and ip_forward being on
11:55 <@Dagmar> http://ja.ssi.bg/#hidden
11:55 < PigBot> Title: Software, Patches and Docs (at ja.ssi.bg) http://tinyurl.com/znjm5q4
11:56 <@Dagmar> Normally this just makes shit run faster
11:56 < Synx_hm> ok so i think it makes sense then
11:56 <@Dagmar> ...except in the case of having a lot of internal interfaces, which makes it get very fuckin' weird
11:56 < Synx_hm> i have a few other bridges but they are on different subnets so my arp would just be for my gateway would be to my gateway if i tried to ping
11:57 <@Dagmar> Case in point, I set up a box once on a condoplex network that had an external interface bound to a static (public) IP
11:57 <@Dagmar> The internal interface used one of the 172 addresses
11:57 <@Dagmar> There were idiots in the condoplex just plugging their ethernet into a goddamn switch, and polluting the common broadcast segment with other 172 address traffic
11:58 <@Dagmar> Some poor fucker was having a hell of a time printing
11:58 <@Dagmar> ...his printer was on the same address as the internal interface of this firewall
11:58 < Synx_hm> ha
11:59 <@Dagmar> ...so whenever his misconfigured shit would attempt to contact the printer, the firewall box would respond to arp and do it _first_ (because Linux is screamingly quick about this), and tell him to talk to the hand because port 512/udp is fucking closed mate
11:59 <@Dagmar> It was also making a lot of weird entries in the firewall logs
11:59 < Synx_hm> haha thats quite funny
12:00 < Synx_hm> and stupid for linux to respond out one nic with an arp request for an ip that resides on a different interface
12:00 <@Dagmar> No, it's actually not
12:00 <@Dagmar> Under normal/reasonable circumstances, that traffic would be considered _alien_ traffic anyway
12:01 < Synx_hm> ahh right i forgot to think that the traffic should be there anyways
12:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah, in my case, the 172 traffic should have never been on the external broadcast segment at all
12:02 <@Dagmar> it was only there because someone else fucked up
12:06 < Synx_hm> oh so back to the bridge line of questioning
12:07 < Synx_hm> if i think of a bridge as a switch... really i should tie the physical interface to the bridge and then leave the bridge without an ip and the physical without an ip
12:07 < Synx_hm> then attached another virtual port, put the IP on that
12:07 < Synx_hm> right?
12:14 <@RangerZ> damn it....
12:14 <@RangerZ> its whiter outside right now than a Trump Rally
12:21 <@Dagmar> Fucking Comcast resp
12:21 <@RangerZ> lol...
12:21 <@RangerZ> what now
12:21 <@Dagmar> Some fuckwit called me up to try to resolve my ticket by telling me that the cablemodem wasn't compatible
12:21 <@Dagmar> Douchebag
12:22 <@Dagmar> Now I have to call and make sure he didn't flag the fucking ticket as resolved
12:28 <@Dagmar> HAHAH  there are idiots in trucks stuck outside
12:28 <@Dagmar> I should go buy snacks or something
12:29 < Synx_hm> comcast has been on a remove all docsis < 3 and in some cases inform customers docsis 3.0 modems will soon be incompatable kick lately
12:29 < Synx_hm> cmts will backwards support 3.0 for many many years
12:29 < Synx_hm> its a bullshit move to get customers that own their own gear to rent new crap from comcast
12:29 <@Dagmar> So, the caddy SUV utside got stuck when the guys rear tires dug in
12:30 <@Dagmar> A dude in a 4wd truck brought a chain to pull him out, is now also stuck
12:30 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAHH
12:30 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: My ticket is still listed as open
12:30 < Synx_hm> my neighbours truck is in a ditch down the hill
12:30 <@Dagmar> The numebr of things those idiots have told me which are not true kills me
12:30 <@oddball> but... but... he's got 4 wheel drive!
12:31 <@Dagmar> The best part about these truck morons is IF THEY WOUDL HAVE GONE THE OTEHR WAY, it's all fucking _flat_
12:31 <@Dagmar> That's the way I get in and out of here when there's "weather"
12:31 <@oddball> But they have 4 wheel drive, they don't have to worry about that shit!
12:31 <@Dagmar> Dumbass wanted to go up the hill instead of down it
12:31 <@oddball> (actual thinking on their part)
12:31 <@Dagmar> Oh the SUV is very clearly rear-wheel drive only
12:31 <@Dagmar> I think I'm going to move my car to a place protected by trees
12:32 <@Dagmar> ...right in front of these guys
12:32 <@oddball> Oh, then it's the "I've got an SUV!" syndrome.
12:32 <@Dagmar> Yes it is
12:32 <@oddball> Or just simply "meh, I don't have to actually change my driving behavior based on weather."
12:32 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAH THEY'RE ABOUT TO GIVE ME REDDIT POINTS!
12:33 <@Dagmar> I have to record this now
12:33 <@Dagmar> They hooked the chain up to something that wasn't actually the hitch support and nearly tore the bumper off
12:33 <@oddball> Since we rarely actually get snow, people don't realize that you've gotta slow the fuck down and think 3 steps ahead while driving in it.
12:34 <@oddball> bwahahaha
12:34 <@Dagmar> FUCK
12:34 <@Dagmar> They tore a piece of the undercoat off and I missed it
12:35 <@Dagmar> If I'm real lucky I'll get to see them remove part of the exhaust system
12:37 <@oddball> undercoat? as in paint?
12:39 <@Dagmar> No, as in protective metal plate
12:39 <@Mirage> skid plate?
12:39 <@Mirage> heat shield?
12:39 <@Dagmar> They got the SUV unstuck, but not before the truck nearly backed right into a minivan
12:40 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I don't know WTF it was, but probably not a "heat shield" on the rear of the SUV
12:40 <@oddball> ah, ok
12:41 <@oddball> probably skid plate
12:41 <@Dagmar> Now I'm concerned about what some morons may to do my car
12:41 <@Dagmar> I think I need to move it to between some other cars or something.
12:42 <@Dagmar> The open space next to it is likely to entice idiots to do something they shouldn't
12:46 <@RangerZ> you should go walk up to them and record your introduction where you put up a chair and a small table and snacks to watch them
13:00 < Synx_hm> im told last year during the big ice storm one of the neighbors here parked down the hill a bit because they couldn't get any farther up, so there their truck is parked for a few hours and out the window another neighbor watches the parked truck begin to slide all the way down the hill spining a few times, misses 4 other parked cars misses a ditch and comes to rest on the other side of the street perfectly
13:00 < Synx_hm>  parked
13:00 < Synx_hm> there are deep ditches on both sides of this street all the way down the hill btw
13:01 < Synx_hm> guy was quite confused as to why his parked truck was parked elsewhere down the hill when he went to head out later ha
13:02 <@Evilpig> damn snow is still coming down
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13:03 < Synx_hm> there will be another round of light snow later this afternoon too as the last end of the front wraps around
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13:05 < Synx_hm> https://twitter.com/NashSevereWx/status/690605237325971456
13:05 < PigBot> Title: NashSevereWx on Twitter: "Snowband seems to hate Franklin, love everyone else as it crosses 65 at 1239 PM, More snow! https://t.co/BS1vbmo9Cw" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/jqvz6uj
13:05 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: where are linux bridges stores for persistance? i dont see anything in /etc/network/interfaces but on reboot lxcbr0 keeps coming back
13:06 < Synx_hm> i know ovs does its own thing so im not worried about the other ovs bridge that comes back
13:06 <@Dagmar> If it's got 'lxc' in the name and you didn't put it there, your container system is creating it
13:06 <@Dagmar> Linux doesn't have fuckin' persistence for this
13:06 < Synx_hm> thats what i thought
13:07 <@Dagmar> If you're using hte in-kernel stuff, it's either there or it's not
13:07 < Synx_hm> fucking openstack install hung and the uninstall process did not clearnly remove the hanging lxc interface
13:07 <@Dagmar> ...just like there's no persistence for regular ethernet interfaces
13:07 < Synx_hm> must be a startup script somewhere
13:07 < Synx_hm> thanks thats what i had thought
13:08 < Synx_hm> found it in /etc/default/lxc-net so some startup script must be sourcing that
13:18 <@RangerZ> so... I gotta admit that the only thing funnier than Dagmar's crusade against comcast, and Synx_hm's sisyphean struggle to get docker networking working.... is the Republican in-fighting over Trump/Cruz right now
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13:20 < Synx_hm> haha
13:20 <@RangerZ> although Dagmar and _NSAKEY did have some very funny insults and jokes about Synx_hm at dinner
13:21 <@RangerZ> I was the proper gentleman and didn't make any jokes myself, and only laughed along
13:24 < Synx_hm> *sad face*
13:28 <@RangerZ> unless you are crying then how is Evilpig suppose to get to sleep tonight?
13:29 <@RangerZ> thats like a glass of warm milk and cookies for him
13:29 < Synx_hm> valid
13:30 <@RangerZ> so.... that actually reminds me of this girl we used to know... she was playing along this guy we knew... and he was 23~24 before he got his driver's license.... and our joke about him marrying the first thing that let him sleep with it... became true....
13:31 <@RangerZ> well she got onto -his- personal teamspeak and told us all... about how she would get off on his suffering....
13:55 <@RangerZ> just shoveled the front walkway to the apartments and poured more salt pellets out there
13:55 <@RangerZ> people are going to be like "wtf... why is there a walkway to ONE fucking car
13:55 <@RangerZ> hehe
13:56 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: i finally figured out why i've never been able to get linux bridging working with sub veth in docker
13:56 < Synx_hm> jesus
13:56 < Synx_hm> apparantly the host interface must be able to go into promisc mode
13:57 <@Dagmar> Yes
13:57 < Synx_hm> and my esxi vswitch was not allowing that
13:57 < Synx_hm> *facepalm*
14:03 < aestetix> vagina
14:03 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: here is the rub
14:04 < Synx_hm> vmware thinks promis mode should mean make the switch a hub
14:04 < Synx_hm> so now i get all traffic on the entire network sent to my port
14:11 < Synx_hm> even on a seperate portgroup im still sniffing the entire f'ing vswitch lovel
14:12 < Synx_hm> lovely
14:17 <@RangerZ> thats it
14:18 <@RangerZ> keep it up
14:18 <@RangerZ> you might even make Evilpig smile today
14:18 <@Dagmar> So... you're telling us that vSphere is failing at switch
14:18 < Synx_hm> we'll come on this one isn't so bad no?
14:18 <@Dagmar> hhehe
14:18 < Synx_hm> its not failing
14:18 < Synx_hm> its f'ing designed stupid
14:19 <@Dagmar> Well, I won't argue that, but there's probably a setting within vSphere so it doesn't freak out about your virtual machine attempting to put it's interface into promisc mode
14:19 < Synx_hm> it doesn't learn MAC through link state + tables apparantly, it learns vnic MAC though its own config so...
14:19 <@RangerZ> I think that is the definition of... fail...
14:19 < Synx_hm> no thats not the issue
14:19 < Synx_hm> i can enable promisc fine in vsphere
14:19 < Synx_hm> its what that means to the vsphere vswitch
14:19 < Synx_hm> promisc mode to a vmware vswitch == send me ALL your switch traffic, ALL OF IT
14:20 < Synx_hm> like a hub
14:20 < aestetix> so yeah
14:20 < aestetix> that privacy committee I served on
14:20 < aestetix> http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2016/01/22/oaklands-privacy-commission-could-be-one-of-most-active-in-country
14:21 < Synx_hm> which is NOT what i desire nor does anybody desire
14:22 < Synx_hm> the root of the issue is such... instead of learning MAC from the port usage vmware vswitch learns MAC from the vm config settings, so unless your traffic is sent to the MAC of the vnic they the vswitch will not send you shit
14:22 < Synx_hm> instead of a normal switch where it will learn all the MAC's associated with a port
14:22 <@Dagmar> All the more reason I enjoy using KVM
14:22 < Synx_hm> ya this one issue is making me consider dumping esxi
14:36 < Synx_hm> who the fuck would designed the vswitch this way
14:36 < Synx_hm> my god
14:36 < aestetix> RangerZ: I thought at least you would have some reaction
14:50 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: Having given it some thought, I suspect you're actually going to be stuck acutally having to do routing instead of bridged communication with your containers
14:51 < Synx_hm> ya
14:51 <@Dagmar> At least until you can find a non-stupid mode to configure the virtual machine's ethernet device
14:51 <@oddball> Contemplating walking down to the Walgreens down the street for... reasons.
14:52 < Synx_hm> only logical answer is to buy another nic for the esxi host, then trunk that to my physical switch and setup a new vswitch just for promisc mode traffic
14:52 < Synx_hm> that way im not forwarding the entire vlan just the shit that is on that vswitch
14:52 < Synx_hm> but really the logical answer is fuck docker just run plex in a full vm like i already am
14:52 <@RangerZ> oddball: beer, condoms, or the anti-homicidal medicine ?
14:53 < Synx_hm> i must just migrate this entire thing to openstack though
14:53 < Synx_hm> wonder if openstack does vt-d hardware passthrough
14:53 <@oddball> Well, we are out of milk.
14:54 <@oddball> And I think I only have one or two beers left.
14:54 <@oddball> Of course, I do have a good amount of pie on hand.
14:54 <@RangerZ> good news, that means you can move up from drinking piss to real liqueur
14:54 <@oddball> Oh, I don't stock the shitty beer.
14:55 <@RangerZ> lies
14:55 <@RangerZ> no such thing as a non shitty beer ;)
14:55 <@Catonic> Synx_hm: it's a bitch to configure any Linux system to have an ip on eth0 and an ip on br0. I've done it in the Centos world and it works, but I don't remember if I've done it in the Ubuntu world or not.
14:55 <@Catonic> It involves very carefully crafted lies.
14:56 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: what if the veth pair attached to br0 could have the same MAC as br0 (i already tried kernel loses its mind)
14:56 < Synx_hm> ha
15:01 <@RangerZ> http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/ted-cruz-has-been-riduculed-years-his-former-college-roommate-who-turned-successful hahaha
15:01 < PigBot> Title: Ted Cruz Has Been Ridiculed for Years by His Former College Roommate Who Turned into a Successful Screenwriter | Alternet (at www.alternet.org) http://tinyurl.com/oct85sr
15:04 <@Catonic> http://pastebin.com/7HJqAwWZ
15:04 < PigBot> Title: bridge config - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) http://tinyurl.com/jkh66po
15:07 <@Dagmar> Catonic: That's why I say that... if you have the latest version of NetworkManager (because prior to December it would just fuck up) this is easier through nmcli
15:07 <@Dagmar> It's literally just 4 commands to build the new bridge properly.
15:08 <@Dagmar> Without the latest verion, oh hell yes you want NM_CONTROLLED=no in there every other line if you hav to.
15:08 <@Catonic> http://pastebin.com/SGWG5b2X
15:08 < PigBot> Title: ubuntish - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) http://tinyurl.com/jv6adkz
15:09 <@Catonic> the crux of it is getting an IP on eth0, and still having the ip on br0 for actual work... that way you can ssh to the box when it falls over on it's sword.
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15:10 <@Dagmar> Nope
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15:10 <@Dagmar> You can't both bind eth0 into a bridge _and_ have an IP on it
15:10 <@Catonic> sure you can.
15:11 <@Catonic> you just have to make sure it happens in the right order or in such a way that it nukes the IP out of eth0
15:11 <@Dagmar> Except it doesn't acutally drop the IP from eth0 when it makes it a member of the bridge....  Breaks it instead
15:12 <@Catonic> well, you configure it in some bastardized way and it does the right thing when br0 comes up... but factually, no, there is not an IP on eth0 once the bridge comes up and is configured.
15:13 <@Dagmar> I prefer to just configure things correctly in the first placew
15:14 <@Catonic> I prefer full remote access to systems, but I'll work with what I have until I get to do that.
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15:33 < aestetix> jesus
15:33 < aestetix> there is a GOP debate basically every two weeks until mid march
15:34 < aestetix> http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-republican-primary-debate-schedule/
15:34 < PigBot> Title: Republican Debate Schedule (2016 Primary Debates) | 2016 Election Central (at www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/o5hjcf5
15:40 < Synx_hm> now im fighting with the fine people in #vmware over the insane decision to make vmware vswitches treat promisc as forward me all traffic on the entire switch
15:40 < Synx_hm> haha
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16:04 < Synx_hm> http://www.virtuallyghetto.com/2014/08/new-vmware-fling-to-improve-networkcpu-performance-when-using-promiscuous-mode-for-nested-esxi.html
16:04 < PigBot> Title: New VMware Fling to improve Network/CPU performance when using Promiscuous Mode for Nested ESXi | virtuallyGhetto (at www.virtuallyghetto.com) http://tinyurl.com/ow5aldl
16:07 < aestetix> jesus
16:07 < aestetix> Let's Encrypt is like the Healthcare.gov of securityu
16:08 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Is this a reference to the sudo requirement?
16:08 < _NSAKEY> I saw you tweeting about it.
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16:10 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: and the 90 day expiration
16:10 < aestetix> and a number of other issues
16:10 < aestetix> like it apparently installs django
16:10 < aestetix> wtf
16:11 < aestetix> if I wanted a webserver I'd install emacs
16:11 < aestetix> lol
16:11 <@Evilpig> or systemd
16:11 < aestetix> no, systemd is the webserver you can't turn off
16:14 < _NSAKEY> django? What?
16:14 < _NSAKEY> I'm using Let's Encrypt for a site I don't really care about, and django is not installed on the box.
16:15 < aestetix> huh ok
16:15 <@Evilpig> lol  http://geekologie.com/2016/01/meanwhile-in-japan-upskirt-printed-umbre.php
16:15 < aestetix> maybe I was wrong
16:15 < PigBot> Title: Meanwhile In Japan: Upskirt Printed Umbrellas | Geekologie (at geekologie.com) http://tinyurl.com/zge6yak
16:15 < _NSAKEY> Then again, my set-up is funky enough that I had to use --cert-only and --debug.
16:15 < _NSAKEY> The 90 day expiration isn't so bad. crontab it and STFU.
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16:24 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I dislike how it requires me to shut down my own webserver so it can run its own.
16:24 < _NSAKEY> Maybe I'm not seeing django in my package manager due to git cloning this, but that part of it is kind of annoying.
16:25 < aestetix> yeah I was wrong I don't see django
16:27 < aestetix> although that was interesting....
16:27 < aestetix> I noticed in the letsencrypt script, it had pip install letsencrypt
16:28 < aestetix> so I just created a virtualenv, and tried to run that
16:28 < aestetix> and it failed because it didn't have root access
16:28 < _NSAKEY> I'm running the script now, and see where it demands root privs.
16:28 < aestetix> oh that's because I forgot to activate it
16:28 < _NSAKEY> I didn't notice before because I was running it as root and not really paying attention to the spammy output.
16:31 < dasunt_> Are there dentists that give hydrocodone for pain relief?
16:32  * dasunt_ is mildly concerned with how much OTC pain relievers he's using lately.
16:33 < aestetix> I think I may actually switch to mutt for all my email stuff
16:33 < aestetix> since mutt is integrated with vim :)
16:39 <@RangerZ> so I have a question that might sound nuubish for this channel, but anyone have a good guide for setting up sshd/etc on a box? I have my RaPi 2B that I want to setup openELEC on, and I found 'this'...
16:39 <@RangerZ> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php/OpenELEC_FAQ#SSH
16:39 < PigBot> Title: OpenELEC FAQ - OpenELEC (at wiki.openelec.tv) http://tinyurl.com/gktzkqk
16:39 <@RangerZ> but I obviously want to disable PW login and require key
16:40 < aestetix> I think it's PasswordAuth No
16:40 < aestetix> or some setting in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
16:41 < aestetix> and just put the pubkey in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
16:45 <@RangerZ> okay....
16:45 <@RangerZ> "(4:44:12 PM) gda: RangerZ: yes, you can't change the password"
16:46 < aestetix> huh?
16:47 <@RangerZ> _everything_ in openELEC runs at root, and they made /etc/passwd readonly
16:47 <@RangerZ> though... I'd be curious to see how that works for _root_
16:52 <@RangerZ> okay... I'm at a loss here... apparently the entire root FS is read only in openELEC
16:54 <@RangerZ> alright... I think I'm at Synx_hm levels of confusion here
16:55 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Are you wanting to set up SSH in a sane manner?
16:55 < _NSAKEY> With pubkey auth, and all the goodies?
16:55 < _NSAKEY> You might want to look at this: https://github.com/nsakey/happy-dance
16:55 < PigBot> Title: NSAKEY/happy-dance - Shell - GitHub (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/jgstkx5
16:55 < _NSAKEY> You'll want to back up the ssh configs on the pi... Maybe.
16:56 < _NSAKEY> That script just blows them away, without any regard for what the person running the script wants.
16:56 < _NSAKEY> I've thought of changing that, but haven't gotten around to it.
16:57 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: possibly, I really just want to setup SSH to work on it, and _not_ have a non-changeable username/pass
16:57 <@RangerZ> because _fuck that_
16:58 <@RangerZ> even if it _IS_ only going to be internal
16:58 <@RangerZ> I know you fuckers
16:59 <@RangerZ> and even once, you'd all start to fuck with it
16:59 <@RangerZ> out of principle alone
16:59 <@RangerZ> lol
17:00 <@oddball> Just got back from walking down to the local Walgreens for some snacks.  Overheard the employees bitching that the nearby CVS was closed.
17:01 <@RangerZ> ?
17:01 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: If you can't change the pass, you could set the shell it uses in /etc/passwd to /bin/false.
17:01 <@RangerZ> why... were they looking to switch jobs?
17:01 < _NSAKEY> Then make another user.
17:01 < _NSAKEY> Or, use the same user but assign it a pubkey, and disable password auth entirely.
17:02 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: apparently the boot FS is read only, so none of that would work... or something
17:02 < aestetix> so
17:02 <@RangerZ> I honestly haven't even thought about the implications of what that would all mean.... but I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that its a concept
17:02 < _NSAKEY> So why are you sold on this particular distro?
17:02 < aestetix> why does thunderbird have so many child processes running?
17:02 <@RangerZ> I'm not
17:03 <@RangerZ> aestetix: for networking
17:03 <@RangerZ> aestetix: and NSA
17:03 <@RangerZ> at least one of those is true
17:03 <@RangerZ> ....with you... who knows
17:04 <@RangerZ> its the same reason we teach concurrency on android, its good design in general, but android actually kills your program and warns you if you lag out for even a few frames
17:05 <@RangerZ> any app with networking should use different threads (processes are fine too) for long-running background operations
17:05 <@RangerZ> and -finally- applications are starting to follow that lead on desktop apps, etc.
17:06 < aestetix> lol
17:07 <@RangerZ> if that is 'not' the reason for thunderbird... than I'd be VERY surprised
17:12 < aestetix> That would not explain why Thunderbird feels the need to use 1.5 gigs of ram
17:13 <@RangerZ> sure it would
17:13 <@RangerZ> its incorporating firefox code
17:13 <@RangerZ> and firefox is trying to catch up to chrome
17:13 < aestetix> and firefox is known to be a bloated piece of shit
17:13 <@RangerZ> hehe
17:13 < aestetix> like I said
17:14 <@RangerZ> actually, FF and Chrome using up a lot of ram, is a tradeoff I personally agree with
17:14 < aestetix> RangerZ: firefox is pretty reasonable if you don't have flash installed
17:14 <@RangerZ> caching in RAM things that you'll need in a zygote process makes the UI/UX MUCH faster
17:15 <@RangerZ> but for .... thunderbird.... which is NOT dynamically loading content .... other than 'text'
17:15 <@RangerZ> I can't see much of a valid reason.... unless you are having it read RSS feeds from hundreds of sites
17:15 < aestetix> I guess fast searches through your email
17:15 <@RangerZ> could be
17:16 <@RangerZ> but that should be written to disk
17:16 < aestetix> or nsa backdoors
17:16 < aestetix> you'd think
17:16 < aestetix> especially with SSDs
17:16 < aestetix> Or maybe thunderbird could take a page from databases
17:16 <@RangerZ> but caching in memory should be an 'option' too
17:16 < aestetix> and use b+ trees to index emails
17:16 <@RangerZ> it probably does
17:17 <@RangerZ> actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Emde_Boas_tree
17:17 < PigBot> Title: Van Emde Boas tree - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/97kzhrf
17:17 <@RangerZ> they are Lg(Lg(N))
17:17 <@RangerZ> blows away Lg(N)
17:17 <@RangerZ> lol
17:17 < aestetix> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/artist-to-sit-naked-on-a-toilet-for-two-days-to-protest-bullst-art-world-a6827351.html
17:17 < PigBot> Title: Artist to sit naked on a toilet for two days to protest 'bulls**t' art world | News | Culture | The Independent (at www.independent.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/jofquw3
17:18 <@RangerZ> BUT ... it takes a graduate level algorithms course to fucking understand VEB trees
17:18  * RangerZ knows from very very painful semester 
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17:19 <@RangerZ> but if you ever want a look-up system that will scale better than any -default- algorithms.... there you go
17:20 <@RangerZ> well... scale in lookup and insertion times
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17:24 <@RangerZ> ceiling(lg2(ceiling(lg2(2^20)))) = 5
17:24 <@RangerZ> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ceiling%28lg2%28ceiling%28lg2%282%5E20%29%29%29%29
17:24 < PigBot> Title: ceilinglg2ceilinglg2220 - Wolfram|Alpha (at www.wolframalpha.com) http://tinyurl.com/huqahd4
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17:25 <@RangerZ> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ceiling%28lg2%28ceiling%28lg2%282%5E64%29%29%29%29
17:25 < PigBot> Title: ceilinglg2ceilinglg2264 - Wolfram|Alpha (at www.wolframalpha.com) http://tinyurl.com/za3jtkz
17:25 <@RangerZ> ceiling(lg2(ceiling(lg2(2^64))))
17:26 <@RangerZ> ceiling(lg2(ceiling(lg2(2^32)))) = 5
17:26 <@RangerZ> ceiling(lg2(ceiling(lg2(2^64)))) = 6
17:26 <@RangerZ> ceiling(lg2(ceiling(lg2(2^128)))) = 7
17:26 < dasunt_> I'm killing time waiting out the clock at work,just in case any last minute surprises comes in.
17:26 < dasunt_> I've managed to get my hometown in geoguessr.
17:26 <@RangerZ> dasunt_: you want us to make one for you?
17:27 <@RangerZ> if we ALL try very hard, we might be able to
17:27 < dasunt_> :(
17:27 < dasunt_> No.
17:27 < dasunt_> I have 3 minutes left.
17:28 < dasunt_> So just fucking around with geoguessr.
17:28 < dasunt_> Which is a way to demonstrate just how low quality google street view is in many parts of the country.
17:30 < dasunt_> Got a spot that was about 100 miles away from me, but the image quality was so horrific I guessed a few states away.
17:31 <@Catonic> dasunt_: I love that we get time off for snow, and y'all just shrug and go on with life.
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18:00 <@Evilpig> who got time off for snow?  I had to work from home
18:01 <@Evilpig> paper mario or borderlands 2....
18:01 <@Evilpig> I think I'm gonna snipe some bitches and broadcast it
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18:09 <@RangerZ> anyone have any experience doing their own taxes with a  sole proprietorship small business?
18:17 <@RangerZ> also... fuck TN Gov't website for changing its permanent URL links...
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18:35 <@RangerZ> https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Sole-Proprietorships nevermind I found the IRS forms I'll need (is just 1040, nothing too special.... especially since I have no income form it yet(let alone profits))
18:35 < PigBot> Title: Sole Proprietorships (at www.irs.gov) http://tinyurl.com/zsf3unw
18:36 <@RangerZ> s/form it/from it/
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20:14 < Synx_hm> the #vmware crowd has not been receptive to my finding a vib on the vmware website that resolves the insane behavior of a vswitch in promisc mode
20:14 < Synx_hm> all they had to say was "ugh duh its complex and read the networking docs"
20:15 < Synx_hm> then we i shoved the official fix in their face (quite nicely i might add) its "interesting... cool..."
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20:24 <@RangerZ> what is the official fix?
20:24 <@RangerZ> "don't do this"
20:24 <@RangerZ> ?
20:25 <@RangerZ> lol
20:25 <@RangerZ> (actually, is it working now because of the vib?)
20:25 <@RangerZ> Synx_hm: ^
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20:35 < Synx_hm> its working now because of the vib
20:36 < Synx_hm> as in the vib turns off the insane "feature" of promisc turning your vswitching port into a ALL PORT MIRROR
20:36 < Synx_hm> thats a huge error on vmwares part and i am really surprised its not more common knowledge or at least has not been fixed
20:36 < Synx_hm> https://labs.vmware.com/flings/esxi-mac-learning-dvfilter
20:36 < PigBot> Title: ESXi Mac Learning dvFilter VMware Labs (at labs.vmware.com) http://tinyurl.com/n3fvljq
20:40 <@RangerZ> well thats good
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22:13 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrNXGpQCZ0&feature=youtu.be&t=167
22:13 < PigBot> Title: The Craziest $200 Phone? Honor 5X, 5.5" IPS, Loaded Android Phone - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jxrcfhr
22:13 <@RangerZ> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
22:14 <@RangerZ> everyone will appreciate the timestamp and the next ~15 seconds
22:24 <@oddball> Ok, that guy's pretty amusing to watch.
22:31 <@RangerZ> if you haven't seen him before, check out some of his videos
22:31 <@RangerZ> him showing up to PN wouldn't surprise me
22:31 <@RangerZ> and Pistol his ... I'm guessing g/f or something... is basically "Dagmar Candy"
22:32 <@oddball> heh
22:32 <@RangerZ> tats, gamer, techie, smokes....
22:34 < _NSAKEY> Heh at "Dagmar Candy." That was a funny conversation.
22:35 <@RangerZ> they do weekly tech review show thats actually pretty informative, and they are almost as paranoid about privacy as aestetix and _NSAKEY
22:37 <@oddball> cool
22:38 <@RangerZ> so I copy/pasted this... and the rollover made me be like.... WTF.... when did I buy that....
22:38 <@RangerZ> 20ft 4­Channel XLR Male to XLR Female Snake
22:38 <@RangerZ> All I saw was "Female Snake"
22:38 <@oddball> heh
22:38 <@RangerZ> I know I dated a couple
22:38 <@RangerZ> but geeze
22:38 <@Evilpig> /bin/sh: ssh2: command not found
22:39 <@Evilpig>  22:39:00 up 4 days,  5:25,  1 user,  load average: 40.14, 43.32, 39.86
22:39 <@Evilpig> wtf
22:39 <@Evilpig> somethign is just not right with that install
22:39 <@RangerZ> could it not be on the path?
22:41  * RangerZ reads the 2nd line now and is even more confused
22:42 <@Evilpig> I gave it the wrong command
22:42 <@Evilpig> the load is my plex server
22:42 <@Evilpig> I just tried to watch something but it was slow to load then I noticed I had a load of 50
22:43 <@Evilpig> but there were only 6 people on the server, so it was just acting up
22:46 <@RangerZ> ohh and FYI, that router I talked about, I was going through records, and amazon did some funny accounting math...
22:46 <@RangerZ> because you bought the router for 188 with logitech c920 or 188 without one
22:47 <@RangerZ> and then on the invoice it was 138$/50$ split between router/webcam
22:47 <@RangerZ> so the price hadn't gone back up
22:47 <@oddball> Evilpig: Maybe the Plex server is rebuilding its database?
22:47 <@RangerZ> s/back/ /
22:48 <@Evilpig> it looks like it is just breaking these transcodes up in shitloads of parts
22:49 <@Evilpig> i'll worry about it after I get the board swapped out
22:52 <@Evilpig> check this out
22:52 <@RangerZ> new mobo incoming?
22:52 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6h7hmpylm5a2m1/Screenshot%202016-01-22%2022.51.56.png?dl=0
22:52 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-01-22 22.51.56.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/zlamtnq
22:52 <@Evilpig> should have been here today but the snow storm fucked me
22:52 <@Evilpig> 60 transcoding threads
22:52 <@Evilpig> actually 120 if I am looking at that right
22:54 < _NSAKEY> So I discovered /r/ProRevenge, and this reads like something you guys might enjoy: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRevenge/comments/41q5w4/telephone_tough_guy/
22:54 < PigBot> Title: Telephone tough guy : ProRevenge (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/hhjyy6o
22:57 <@Evilpig> https://www.fedex.com/apps/fedextrack/?action=track&tracknumbers=782204898218&cntry_code=us&language=english&clienttype=ivother
22:57 < PigBot> Title: Track your package or shipment with FedEx Tracking (at www.fedex.com) http://tinyurl.com/hk7o4rz
22:58 <@Evilpig> i'm out.  later ladies
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23:07 <@RangerZ> apparently I'm dumbfounding the neighbors by going out there and brushing the snow off my car
23:07 <@RangerZ> had to tell someone "so that the sun will melt the thin layer of ice that is left on it in the morning and I don't have to"
23:08 <@RangerZ> "well, the sun and me warning up the car"
23:08 <@RangerZ> lol
23:18 <@oddball> It's almost like you've done this before.
23:19 <@oddball> My martial arts classes are canceled for tomorrow, so I said "fuck it, not cleaning off the car."
23:32 <@RangerZ> I was the brilliant one who left the fucking XLR -> USB converter at campus....
23:33 <@RangerZ> so I gotta go in a some point over the weekend to finish up this module so it will be ready to publish next month
23:36 <@oddball> oops
23:36 <@RangerZ> yeah...
23:37 <@RangerZ> "best" part is... I really didn't need to take it in at all
23:37 <@RangerZ> I just wanted to experiment with trying a new workflow out
23:37 <@RangerZ> and... didn't even do that
23:37 <@oddball> sonofabitch
23:43 <@RangerZ> pretty much
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