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02:30 < aestetix> watching the javascript war is kind of fun
03:02 < RangerZ1> ?
03:45 < aestetix> RangerZ1: the react vs angular vs meteor drama
03:47  * RangerZ1 shrugs
03:47 < RangerZ1> I know "of" those words
03:48 < RangerZ1> but I purposely haven't done any JS work in.... it might be close to 10 years now....
03:48 < RangerZ1> no... 7 or 8
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07:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:48  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:58 <@Dolemite> I have declared 2016 to be the "Year of Unsubscribe," where I actually click on the Unsubscribe button for all of these spam messages I get at work...   I think I'm in the 100s already
08:36 <@Evilpig> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/forecast-bar-weather-powered/id982710545?mt=12
08:36 < PigBot`> Title: Forecast Bar - Weather Powered by Forecast.io on the Mac App Store (at itunes.apple.com) http://tinyurl.com/gwywq9y
08:36 <@Evilpig> take note of the little box near the bottom of "top in-app purchases"
08:36 <@Evilpig> this is the type of dev I want to punch in the throat
08:38 <@Dolemite> If by throat you mean nutsack, I'm with you
08:38 <@Evilpig> oh no, I mean throat.  nuts you can get over pretty easily, but in the throat...  you know you've really fucked up
08:38 < _NSAKEY> Why not both?
08:38 <@Evilpig> $6 for a weather widget.  okay cool.
08:39 <@Evilpig> but then you go and add in, in app purchases for extra calls to someone else's api?  REALLY!?!
08:48 < Synx_hm> i think i have given up on weave and docker bridge network, fuck it i think ill just go openvswitch and uplink directly to my physical/virtual network stack and give each docker a real routable ip on my lan
08:49 <@Evilpig> quitter
08:52 < Synx_hm> i spent all yesterday hunting multicast packets
08:52 <@Evilpig> maybe you should try some different bait?  or perhaps a hunting blind so you can wait for them to come to you?  did you figure out their natural habitat so you know you were huting in the right location?
08:57 < Synx_hm> found em on the input chain of iptables
08:58 < Synx_hm> need them on the forward chain
08:58 < Synx_hm> i quit
08:59 <@Evilpig> iptables -T FORWARD -j ACCEPT
09:00 < Synx_hm> que what now?
09:00 <@Evilpig> that'll just forward any old whatever. :D
09:00 < Synx_hm> iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT
09:01 < Synx_hm> that will allow packets that hit the forward chain, not moving packets from the intput chain to the forward chain
09:01 <@Evilpig> what rules do you have in place now?
09:01 <@Evilpig> iptables -L -v -n
09:01 < Synx_hm> im sending multicast inside docker so when it hits docker0 bridge the host says oh look ip packets for 224.0.0.0/4 neat thats for me toss it onto input chain
09:01 <@Evilpig> and iptables -L -v -n -t nat
09:01 < Synx_hm> i have default accept
09:02 < Synx_hm> issue is not dropping packets at iptables
09:02 < Synx_hm> its that i cant find a way to get a packet the interface thinks is for it to go to the forward chain
09:02 < Synx_hm> basically i think i need some advanced policy routing
09:02 < Synx_hm> but at this point why not just bridge in an openvswitch
09:03 <@Evilpig> I assume you've tried this?  iptables -A INPUT -m pkttype --pkt-type multicast -j ACCEPT
09:03 < Synx_hm> yup infact i log those to confirm they hit the input chain
09:03 < Synx_hm> but INPUT chain is for packets that termiate at the server interface
09:03 < aestetix> don't forget to iptables -F first
09:03 < Synx_hm> they go nowhere after that
09:04 <@Evilpig> did you check your postrouting and whatnot just to be sure they are set to accept?
09:04 < Synx_hm> ill check again but i believe so
09:05 < Synx_hm> for example in the nat table they hit prerouting but never make it to postrouting output because the routing decision has already been made and its to termiate it at the interface
09:05 < Synx_hm> i mangle them in prerouting to up the TTL at the offchance its 0 but i cannot DNAT them because its multicast i cant change that destination to impact the routing decisions
09:07 <@Evilpig> and this little gem?   ip -s mroute
09:07 < Synx_hm> oh god i see myself getting sucked back into thsi all day
09:07 < Synx_hm> fml
09:08 < Synx_hm> that outputs 0
09:08 <@Evilpig> I'm all for making your day awful
09:08 <@Evilpig> that shoudl show multicast routes
09:08 < Synx_hm> ya so i guess there are none
09:08 <@Evilpig> so perhaps you're getting hte packets where you want them but the server doesn't know where to send them after that so it just says fuck you and drops them
09:08 < Synx_hm> i tried adding routes via smcroute btw
09:09 < Synx_hm> thats my guess it hits the iterface the kernel says oh neat i didn't subscribe to that mcast group ignore it
09:10 < Synx_hm> anyways point is i shouldn't need to get a phd in multicast routing and igmp to make docker containers ssdp work
09:10 <@Evilpig> i'd try a few things but I really don't want to muck with my box at home and get it into a state I can't easily unfuck remotely.  lol
09:11 <@Evilpig> but that's the opensource way
09:11 <@Evilpig> you have to master the tech before you can actually use it for something simple that it was designed to do
09:11 < Synx_hm> lol
09:11 <@Evilpig> just look at the flags for tar or rsync and you know i'm right
09:11 < Synx_hm> hahaha
09:12 < aestetix> so
09:12 < aestetix> anyone good with haproxy?
09:12 < aestetix> and specifically stick-tables?
09:12 <@Evilpig> ip route add 224.0.0.0/4 dev eth0  <-- supposedly this might help  
09:14 < Synx_hm> ya i tried that but it doesn't make any sense to me
09:14 < Synx_hm> if linux host x receives multicast packet on interface bridge docker0 and thinks its for itself they why the fuck would it ever even look at a routing table
09:14 <@Evilpig> that's just adding a route to whatever interface you're wanting it on.  i'd think you'd need it on whatever your real interface in the bridge is
09:15 < Synx_hm> if anything if that routing worked it would imply the server when never be capable of getting multicast to its kernel again
09:15 < Synx_hm> to the host this traffic is not originating on its ip stack
09:15 < Synx_hm> its coming from inside a container or outside on the physical network
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09:34 < RangerZ1> Synx_hm: did you enable FORWARD_BROADCAST_FROM_INTERNAL on your nic? I only ask just to give you a false sense of hope for a split second before you read this and realize it is something I just made up.
09:34 < RangerZ1> ;)
09:34 < Synx_hm> you fucking ass
09:34 < Synx_hm> the highs and lows i just went through reading that
09:36 < Synx_hm> while im in a bad mood wtf is the diff between some versions of VIM where if i use arrow keys i end up with fucking charaters in my document and delete is like a backwards universe inverting key
09:37 < RangerZ1> I tease, but I actually do remember there being -some- kind of setting similar to that that stopped my ACE-TAO project from working (used multicast too)
09:37 < RangerZ1> at least in concept, if not name
09:37 < Synx_hm> ya there are a number of mcrouting sysctrl switches
09:37 < Synx_hm> however i cant seem to modify any of them
09:38 <@rattle> We just launched a really cool program today..  https://modeldiplomacy.cfr.org/#/
09:38 < PigBot`> Title: Council on Foreign Relations: Model Diplomacy (at modeldiplomacy.cfr.org) http://tinyurl.com/j9yqfzt
09:38 < Synx_hm> i honestly think at this point as much as id love to dive in and make this work i need to move to openstack openvswitch because god forbid something goes down ill never be able to redeploy this setup if i hack this shit together
09:38 <@rattle> Tabletop simulations for all sorts of foreign policy issues..  It's designed for educators, but if you want to do world crisis dungeons and dragons, it's good for that too..
09:39 <@oddball> cool
09:39 <@rattle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5daA86dMxrQ
09:39 < PigBot`> Title: Model Diplomacy in Action - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jqjgjb7
09:46 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: or anybody explain something simple to me, if a linux server receives any old IP packet that is addressed to an address it knows to be assigned to one of its attached interfaces, should that packet every traverse a routing table on said host?
09:47 < aestetix> rattle: you should invite Donald Trump
09:48 < aestetix> rattle: more seriously, are you familiar with "The Authoritarians"?
09:48 < aestetix> the boook.... trying to remember the author's name
09:49 < aestetix> Robert Altemeyer I think
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10:13 < RangerZ1> familiar with it? its based off him
10:13 < RangerZ1> lol
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10:18 <@Evilpig> http://explodingkittens.com/app
10:18 < PigBot`> Title: The Exploding Kittens multiplayer app is here (at explodingkittens.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5ufoyn
10:18 <@Evilpig> for you ifone asses
10:22 <@oddball> jesus chrst.  Someone on FB is trying to say that Hattie B's started the whole "Nashville hot chicken" thing.
10:22 < RangerZ1> I read it online that they did
10:22 < RangerZ1> so obviously its true
10:23 <@oddball> They litterally opened a couple years ago when hot chicken became a thing outside of east Nashville.
10:23 < Synx_hm> Evilpig: i was kinda bummed only time exploding kittens was a hit was with my 6-14 year old cousins :(
10:23 < Synx_hm> nobody else likes playing it
10:24 <@oddball> Synx_hm: It's a fun little game, but nothing spectacular.
10:25 <@oddball> Hell, I'm pretty sure they lifted the game mechanics from an old card game using a modified bicycle deck.
10:26 < RangerZ1> yes, because every card game is unique and original not drawing upon others at all ;) lol
10:26 < RangerZ1> ugh....  guess its time to get ready for work.... *tears*
10:26 <@oddball> Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that it had the guy from the Oatmeal behind it, it would have disapeared in a sea of other quirky card games.
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10:32 <@oddball> There's a difference between borrow some mechanics and straight up lifting an entire rules set.  That said, I've enjoyed of those.
10:32 <@oddball> damn.. he left.
10:33 <@oddball> Hell, Cards Against Humanity is pretty much Apples to Apples with different cards.
10:34 <@oddball> Which is why I thought it was hillarious when the creators of Cards Against Humanity got all butt hurt when Crabs Adjust Humidity came out.
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10:36 < Synx_hm> ha
10:37 < Synx_hm> i purchased crabs adjust hmiditiy to expand my cards deck
10:37 < Synx_hm> ha
10:37 < Synx_hm> well fml
10:38 < Synx_hm> i have to install juju and the entire openstack framework just to use openvswitch as an underlay (full on external vswitch) for docker
10:38 < Synx_hm> nothing i love more than installing a hypervisor in a VM on top of another hypervisor
10:39 < Synx_hm> at this point i might as well migrate my entire vmware esxi host to openstack on baremetal
10:43 <@Dagmar> *sigh*
10:43 <@Dagmar> Just when you thought things were looking up
10:43 <@oddball> heh
10:44 <@Dagmar> I'm getting voicemails from the Eletric Company about needing information on resolving a final bill for na account I recently closed.
10:44 <@Dagmar> I haven't closed any accounts.
10:44 <@oddball> "fun"
10:44 <@Dagmar> God only knows what this si about
10:44 <@Dagmar> Someone at Comcast may have made a _terrible_ mistake
10:45 <@oddball> Didn't you just move?  Might it be related to that?
10:45 <@Dagmar> I did but I didn't _close_ any accounts and ther'es nothing that should be coming due for several weeks
10:46 <@Dagmar> Just to be SURE everything went smoothly, for a change, I made sure everything that was outstanding was already paid through at least mid January before I did the transfers
10:47 <@oddball> ah
10:47 <@Dagmar> So... I'm calling them back now to make sure they've not gotten confused and aren't turning anything off
10:48 <@Dagmar> Hell, NES is the people I had to personally *go to*
10:49 < Synx_hm> i am involved in a nestcam field test at the moment i kinda just want to send the thing back
10:50 <@Dagmar> Well, be sure to detail why so they can make it better
10:50 < Synx_hm> cool cam, way too expensive (they sent me for free), and im way too paranoid for all the cloud features of it, i prefer my local ip cams on a isolated vlan
10:50 < Synx_hm> if you are totally into the cloud thing and storing videos of you walking around your house in your undies on the internet then the thing is awesome
10:51 <@rattle> aestetix: Nope.
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10:51 < Synx_hm> i have detailed to the extreme how they can fit my specalized usecase
10:51 < Synx_hm> hope they listen
11:01 <@Dagmar> Ugh.  This is NES's somewhat bizarre integration with their payment provider playing up
11:01 <@Dagmar> THey always never seem to have gotten the information aobut your last payment when it comes time for the next bill
11:02 <@Dagmar> I actualyl squared thigns up with them _again_ on the 5th of this month
11:03 <@Dagmar> Being that they usually read the meter on the tenth, this shouldn't have even been a problem.  BUT UNLIKE COMCAST IT WAS AT LEAST EASILY RESOLVABLE
11:04 <@Dagmar> Sweet!  The car is sorted
11:04 <@Dagmar> Apparenrly the cruise control on my car was an after-market cruise control
11:04 <@Dagmar> ...and it was fucking up
11:05 <@Dagmar> That was freaking out the ECU because the throttle and accellerator seemed to be going wildly out of sync
11:05 <@oddball> After market cruise control... I was unaware that that was a thing.
11:05 <@oddball> 'course, I never use the thing in the first place.
11:07 <@Dagmar> I didn't know it was a thing either, but Scion didn't offer a cruise control with the thing and I always thought itwas a little odd
11:07 <@Dagmar> Like, the status light to let you know it was on was always hidden behind the wheel
11:07 <@oddball> huh
11:07 <@Dagmar> Otherwise it looked totally legit
11:08 <@Dagmar> ...but, I googled it while I was on the phone with the guy and there I was looking at the strange control stalk on Amazon for nearly $300
11:09 <@Dagmar> They wanted to fuss about how long it might take to remove it, blah blah blah.  I'm like, hmm... one control stalk, three small wiring segments.  Not exactly complex work but yank it
11:09 <@oddball> Of course, one of the big selling points of Scions for a while was "you customize the shit out of it!"
11:12 <@Dagmar> Well, if I'd seen the OBDII code I would have said "cruise control broke"
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11:12 <@oddball> Ah, next time let me know.  I've got an OBDII reader.
11:13 <@Dagmar> I wouldnt' have been able to *do* anything much about it because I woudln't have had the field service manual
11:13 <@Dagmar> The acutal symptom tat manifested was a lot scarier.  "Gas pedal no workie"
11:14 <@Evilpig> goading the notkids about not having jobs
11:15 <@Evilpig> it appears that amazon is hiring warehouse clowns today.
11:15 <@Evilpig> http://nashville.craigslist.org/eve/5411770347.html
11:15 <@Dagmar> I have no explanation for why the Check Engine light coming on basically immediately disables the traction control system
11:15 < PigBot`> Title: ON THE SPOT HIRING SMX AT AMAZON (at nashville.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/j9eot8e
11:15 <@Dagmar> Looks like minimum wage
11:15 <@oddball> ahhh
11:16 <@Dagmar> Oh and look!  There's a $25 referral bonus!
11:16 <@Evilpig> it's the notkids
11:16 <@Evilpig> they need job period
11:16 <@Dagmar> OKay yeah that would fit that bill
11:16 < Synx_hm> where is the distro center?
11:16 <@Evilpig> http://nashville.craigslist.org/eve/5408434299.html
11:16 < PigBot`> Title: Amazon is hiring in Lebanon on 1/21! (at nashville.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/zbtzfm4
11:16 < Synx_hm> i thought far aware from here
11:16 <@Dagmar> Thanks to their dad, passing the drug test should no problem
11:16 <@Evilpig> apparently that other is a staffing company but here is the amazon one directly
11:16 <@Dolemite> It's on 840
11:17 <@Dolemite> Just south of I-40
11:17 <@Dolemite> Lebanon
11:17 < Synx_hm> oh damn
11:17 < Synx_hm> so do we have same day shiping yet/
11:17 <@Dolemite> yes
11:17 <@Evilpig> yes
11:17 < Synx_hm> well fuck
11:17 <@Dolemite> Same day delivery
11:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah I remember driving past it and going "That must be the new Amazon place"
11:17 <@Dolemite> Prime NAO!@%!@
11:17 <@Evilpig> amazon prime has made some pretty big fuckups in town already too
11:17 <@Dagmar> No other explanation of why there would have been a cinderblock shell with about a zillion truck bays
11:17 < Synx_hm> prime now i see
11:19 < Synx_hm> can i order a dash and have it today?
11:19 <@Dagmar> a what>?
11:19 < Synx_hm> amazon dash
11:19 < Synx_hm> holy shit they have a depends dash
11:19 < Synx_hm> this might be the one to get
11:19 <@Dolemite> Only if you opt for the Prime Now delivery
11:19 < Synx_hm> (to hack into a wifi button ofcourse)
11:19 <@Dagmar> lol
11:20 <@Dagmar> That's taking one-touch ordering a little too far
11:20 < Synx_hm> ya its hilarious really
11:20 < Synx_hm> but people have been hacking them and stipping them of the amazon webservices calls
11:20 < Synx_hm> for $5 its not a bad little wifi button for things like home automation
11:21 < Synx_hm> not aval on now
11:22 < Synx_hm> wait i have to use an android app
11:22 < Synx_hm> i cant do this from the website?
11:22 <@Dagmar> Hell they could probably make a tiny bit of money selling them programmable
11:22 <@Dagmar> s/tiny/tidy/
11:23 <@Dagmar> "Presenting Amazon's Newest Widget: 'The * Button'"
11:26 < Synx_hm> when will i be able to buy beer on this
11:30 <@oddball> heh
11:31 <@oddball> I'm a fan of their subscriptions.  Subscribe to recieve an air filter every 3 months.  "oh, it arrived, guess it's time to replace the old one."
11:32 <@Dagmar> Yeah for THAT it's a very good idea
11:32 <@Dagmar> LOOOOL
11:32 <@Dagmar> http://www.ebay.com/itm/V8-Sticker-Emblem-Badge-Decal-Logo-for-compass-wrangler-mustang-focus-impala-lr4-/321827131766?fits=Make%3AScion%7CModel%3AiQ&hash=item4aee645176:g:LM0AAOSwDNdVxfbl&vxp=mtr
11:32 < PigBot`> Title: V8 Sticker Emblem Badge Decal Logo for Compass Wrangler Mustang Focus Impala LR4 | eBay (at www.ebay.com) http://tinyurl.com/jahdfkn
11:33 <@Dagmar> This is flagged as fitting a Scion iQ
11:33 <@oddball> heh
11:33 <@oddball> I still say you should slap an Aston Martin badge on it.
11:34 <@Dagmar> Man.  Apparently I can get some absolutely absurd text on there
11:34 <@Dagmar> Actually, the Aston Martin badges themselves cost over $100
11:34 <@oddball> ...of course they do.
11:34 <@Dagmar> My car could appear to be a limited edition Turbo Hemi V8 for under $20
11:35 <@oddball> The "wishful thinking" edition.
11:35 <@Dagmar> Some people would spray their windshield with coffee
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11:37 <@Dagmar> ...it could even be type-R
11:37 <@oddball> The type-R kiddy might actually fall for it.
11:38 <@Dagmar> Oh MY... this looks VERY impressive http://www.ebay.com/itm/METAL-GRILL-TRUNK-EMBLEM-DECAL-LOGO-TRIM-BADGE-POLISHED-RED-LETTER-SUPERCHARGED-/400814323318?hash=item5d52653676:g:CwQAAOSwiLdV8Ljn&vxp=mtr
11:38 < PigBot`> Title: Metal Grill Trunk Emblem Decal Logo Trim Badge Polished Red Letter Supercharged | eBay (at www.ebay.com) http://tinyurl.com/zrcxoem
11:43 <@Dagmar> $10 for a Mini badge
11:43 <@Dagmar> That would fuck with people so hard
11:53 <@oddball> Oh good lord... Part of El Chapo's cache included a .50cal rifle that has been linked to... Fast and Furious!
11:54 <@oddball> Oh, and apparently that legal wrangling is *still* going on.
11:56 <@Dagmar> heh
11:57 <@oddball> ...and the judge has told the administration to quit that "executive privilege" crap.
11:59 <@oddball> bwahahaha
11:59 <@oddball> "There is no need to balance the need against the impact that the revelation of any record could have on candor in future executive decision making, since any harm that might flow from the public revelation of the deliberations at issue here has already been self-inflicted."
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12:50 < Synx_hm> HO LEE FUCK
12:50 < Synx_hm> i got a multicast packet outbound from docker
12:50 <@Dagmar> Why not just go for root
12:51 <@Dagmar> You're using overlayfs, right?
12:51 <@Dagmar> I find it amusing that the EXACT thing I was saying about people using it as a security sandbox has come to pass
12:51 < Synx_hm> huh?
12:51 < Synx_hm> im using aufs at the moment
12:51 <@Dagmar> Privilege escalation through overlayfs, because overlayfs wasn't written with _writing_ in mind
12:52 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: and how did you manage it?
12:52 <@Dagmar> The expectation on those at dev time being that they would primarily be used for read-only stuff, or simly corralling changes doesn't mean they can expect to be "secure" against deliberate malice
12:53 < Synx_hm> Evilpig: not sure what exactly did it but iptables mangle rule to increment TTL of the inbound multicast on the bridge interface to 2
12:53 < Synx_hm> then running pimd service
12:53 <@Dagmar> o.O
12:53 <@Dagmar> why are you _incrementing_ the ttl
12:53 < Synx_hm> not im not seeing any responses to the packet so need to do a bit more debug
12:54 < Synx_hm> iirc TTL of 1 for multicast will die at pimd
12:54 <@Dagmar> Oh, okay
12:54 <@Dagmar> Sounds like your'e in one of the few places where that's not just bloody stupid
12:54 <@Dagmar> *thumbsup*
12:54 < Synx_hm> haha ya
12:54 < Synx_hm> thanks
12:57 <@Dagmar> Sad this is to say, I've actually stopped someone in ##Linux from incrementing their TTL with the mangle rule in the last four months
12:57 <@Dagmar> They were trying to do somethign with bridging
12:58 < Synx_hm> well i need your help on figuring this bs out then man lol
12:58 <@Dagmar> ...and already being shut down by the flood control mechanisms.  Heh
12:58 < Synx_hm> you see my question above
12:58 <@Dagmar> What's pimd?
12:59 <@Dagmar> Surely not whT Google just told me ("Party In My Dorm")
12:59 < Synx_hm> multicast routing discovery protocol/application
12:59 < Synx_hm> basically i have docker0 bridge that has veth from containers
12:59 < Synx_hm> i need x container to get its multicast traffic outbound into my physical lan
12:59 <@Dagmar> That should _already_ work if you've got them on a bridge
12:59 < Synx_hm> at the moment i seem to have that part working, though i get no response which doesn't make any sense
12:59 < Synx_hm> thats my issue
12:59 < Synx_hm> it wasn't
13:00 < Synx_hm> but per normal docker0 setup my actualy host nic (eth0) is not attached to this bridge
13:00 < Synx_hm> is that correct?
13:01 <@Dagmar> That would cause failing, yes
13:01 < Synx_hm> i was able to track the multicast down to the INPUT chain of iptables so i assumed the host kernel got the packet say it was multicast and said 'oh thats for me, but i didn't join that group... ignore'
13:01 <@Evilpig> in my experience if you want your bridge traffic to go anywhere it has to be attached to an actual interface at some point in the chain
13:01 < Synx_hm> it never hit the FORWARD chain
13:01 <@Dagmar> eth0 should be a member of the bridge, and from that point on you should be replacing "eth0" with "br0" (or the name of your bridge) with everything you do, including possibly `dhclient br0`
13:01 < Synx_hm> well in this case i guess docker is using a router software of some sort
13:01 <@Dagmar> Otherwise you are not actually bridging to the physical ethernet
13:01 < Synx_hm> because docker0 bridge interface is on some other rando subnet
13:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah docker is probably masquerading
13:02 < Synx_hm> it is
13:03 < Synx_hm> you can do --net=host in docker and that brings the container into all of your host interfaces but that comes with such joys as containers connecting to dbus and rebooting host if some ass types reboot in a container
13:03 <@Dagmar> The TL;DR appears to be 'if your physical ethernet interface has an IP address, you're not bridging"
13:03 <@Evilpig> I've only dealt with something like docker through kvm and it has it's own bridge but it isn't really used for regular traffic
13:03 < Synx_hm> so what i was looking to do was either NAT all my containers in this default docker way but get multicast routing working, or... trunk in a few VLANs to either seperate veth and bridge them to docker so each container can dhcp its own ip
13:04 < Synx_hm> or... install openvswitch (with openstack) and put it all on a vswitch that trunks out to esxi vswitch
13:05 <@Dagmar> Well, making multicast reach across broadcast domains requires an actual daemon for that AFAIK
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13:05 < Synx_hm> im undecided on what is the cleanest path
13:05 < Synx_hm> Dagmar ya hence pimd
13:05 <@Dagmar> Whichever mechanism has the smallest number of moving parts
13:05 < Synx_hm> and ttl2
13:05 <@Dagmar> Incrementing the TTL is still probably not the right thing to do
13:05 < Synx_hm> ya so far openstack refuses to install
13:06 < Synx_hm> all this multicast routing is a monster pain to setup and document
13:06 < Synx_hm> so perhaps its bridge vlan enabled veth into docker containers somehow
13:06 < Synx_hm> perhaps pipeworks
13:06 <@Dagmar> I should make a pre-emptive call to comcast, just to see if I can get a proper hate on
13:07 <@Dagmar> I can't help but think... it's been awhile since I've noticed the "It's on your dime, not mine" fee on the bill
13:07 <@Dagmar> Literally the $5/month I pay so that when Comcast turns full retard (like they have now) and insists on sending out a technician, that I'm not the one paying for it
13:11 < Synx_hm> oh wait oh fuck i got a response back
13:15 < Synx_hm> that was odd
13:15 < Synx_hm> no idea when that came in
13:15 < Synx_hm> i can see the multicast go out on my windows box via wireshark but nobody responds
13:15 < Synx_hm> which is really odd because 4 other devices are doing SSDP M-Search at this very moment
13:16 < Synx_hm> oh i guess im not filtering correctly on the host to see it probably
13:16 < Synx_hm> and windows wouldn't see it because of switched network
13:17 < Synx_hm> ahh ha
13:17 < Synx_hm> i get reponses but this time because they are targeted at my host ip i have no states in the iptables chain to NAT them back into docker0
13:17 < Synx_hm> im on to something here i feel it
13:18 < Synx_hm> how can i create a state in iptables
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13:22 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: if packet goes out after MASQ 192.168.1.100 UDP ---> 239.255.255.250:1900 how can i add a state in iptables to receive 192.168.1.100
13:22 < Synx_hm> err
13:22 <@Dagmar> Established,related should handle that
13:23 <@Dagmar> ...but that's uPNP anyway
13:23 < Synx_hm> Dagmar: if packet goes out after MASQ 192.168.1.100 UDP ---> 239.255.255.250:1900 how can i add a state in iptables to receive 192.168.1.100:1900 UDP <---- 192.168.1.200 and have ip tables send that back
13:23 < Synx_hm> yes im trying to get uPNP working inside my docker container
13:23 < Synx_hm> i dont want to SNAT on the path back though just DNAT it
13:24 <@Dagmar> I'm going to hazard a guess that if you're wanting responses to come back to a different host, you are doing it wrong
13:24 <@Dagmar> as in 'ur doin it rong' levels of wrong
13:24 < Synx_hm> maybe i am not explaining it
13:24 < Synx_hm> that first outbound UPD SSDP packet was masqueraded by iptables to begin with
13:24 < Synx_hm> so i need to track that state and receive the response
13:24 < Synx_hm> and DNAT it back
13:25 <@Dagmar> ...which it shall do without you needing to intervene
13:25 <@Dagmar> s/shall/should/
13:25 < Synx_hm> oh
13:25 < Synx_hm> wait
13:25 < Synx_hm> even though the orig destination was a multicast addr
13:26 < Synx_hm> and the response is an actual routable ip
13:26 <@Dagmar> Aga
13:26 <@Dagmar> http://miniupnp.free.fr/
13:26 < PigBot> Title: MiniUPnP Project HomePage (at miniupnp.free.fr) http://tinyurl.com/23ukwh
13:26 <@Dagmar> I knew there was something I was forgetting
13:26 <@Dagmar> You needs that
13:26 <@Dagmar> ...because uPNP is a special kind of multicast.
13:26 <@Dagmar> "special"
13:31 < Synx_hm> i fail to see why iptables cant do this still
13:32 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: do you have ip_conntrack and ipt_state running?
13:33 <@Evilpig> they should be there but I have modprobe statements in my firewall script directly to make sure
13:33 <@Dagmar> because uPnP is a "special" kind of multicast
13:33 < Synx_hm> i get that
13:34 < Synx_hm> what is upnpd doing though that i cant do on my own in iptables
13:34 < Synx_hm> nf_conntrack is loaded looking for state
13:35 < Synx_hm> nothing about state module loaded though
13:38 <@Evilpig> nf_conntrack           80390  10 iptable_nat,nf_nat_irc,nf_conntrack_irc,nf_nat_ftp,nf_conntrack_ftp,ipt_MASQUERADE,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack_ipv6,xt_state
13:40 < Synx_hm> k its in there
13:47 < Synx_hm> ok im fucking confused again
13:48 < Synx_hm> talking normal normal NAT here, i see the rule for the oubound natting of traffic
13:48 < Synx_hm> where is the rule for the inbound traffic!?
13:49 < Synx_hm> i have this
13:49 < Synx_hm> -A POSTROUTING -s 172.17.0.0/16 ! -o docker0 -j MASQUERADE
13:49 < Synx_hm> in the nat table
13:49 < Synx_hm> but where is its counterpart that does DNAT for the response traffic
13:50 <@Dagmar> Yeah and the flipside of that is literally the ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ALLOW rule
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...but it only comes into play if there's an ipt_* module that gives a fuck about the non-TCP traffic
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...and if that module was loaded at the time the "connection" was created
13:51 < Synx_hm> im default ACCEPT on all chains
13:51 <@Dagmar> Unless you found an ipt_upnp module, you need that daemon
13:51 < Synx_hm> haha
13:51 < Synx_hm> i believe ya man im just trying to better understand all this shit
13:53 < Synx_hm> if i understand correctly iptables tracks NEW, ESTABLISHED, RELATED completely on its own, when ref'ing these states in rules you are simplying stating hey if this then accept or reject etc, there is no method to actually update or cause a related state to be tracked
13:53 < Synx_hm> is that correct
13:53 <@Dagmar> Mostly
13:53 < Synx_hm> ok
13:54 < Synx_hm> how about the question on the return traffic from SNAT outbound?
13:54 <@Dagmar> All those ipt_ modules are basically magicalness
13:54 < Synx_hm> do you have to write a rule to then DNAT it on the return path or is that automatic
13:54 <@Evilpig> ffiptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
13:55 < Synx_hm> i get you are not dropping them with that rule there but what about that has anything to do with DNAT
13:56 <@Dagmar> THAT IS THE THING THAT DOES IT
13:56 < Synx_hm> lol
13:56 <@Dagmar> It's part of the state tracker
13:56 <@Dagmar> That IS your return path rule
13:56 < Synx_hm> does that go in the nat table?
13:56 <@Dagmar> --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED
13:56 <@Dagmar> No.
13:57 < Synx_hm> i take it the forward table then
13:57 < Synx_hm> why is this so fucking confusing
13:57 < Synx_hm> what ass hat wrote this thing
13:58 < _NSAKEY> Synx_hm: iptables is generally gross. If you want to see what firewall rules that border on English looks like, check out pf some time.
13:58 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: input.  that is the rule right there
13:58 < _NSAKEY> *look
13:58 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: Someone who was actualyl aware of how the packets pass through the system did
13:58 <@Evilpig> the only nat rule you'd need with dnat is specifically to get something behind the firewall that originated outside it
13:58 <@Dagmar> I fail to see how this is supposed to be confusing
13:59 < Synx_hm> _NSAKEY: yes im much more familiar with pf
13:59 <@Dagmar> So basically, keep in mind that this is essentially a _routing_ mechanism
13:59 < _NSAKEY> So why are you stabbing yourself in the testicles with iptables?
13:59 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_D5g8l1XA
13:59 < PigBot> Title: CAUGHT TOUCHING THE DIUGH!! [WHATS UNDER YOUR BLANKET?] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/hgsvt3p
13:59 <@Dagmar> At some point, the packet will be destined to be _discarded_ if/when masquerading or NAT rules aren't in place
14:00 < Synx_hm> because ive been struggling with iptables since it was ipchains and figured now would be the time to finally come to terms with it
14:00 <@Dagmar> It's those masquerading/NAT rules that set up the connection tracking tables
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14:00 < aestetix> someoone actually made a video game of jerking off in your room and trying not to get caught by grandma
14:00 <@Dagmar> HOW IS IT HARD OR CONFUSING that you are also adding a rule so that incoming packets are checked against the connection tracking tables?
14:00 <@Dagmar> uPNP is a UDP protocol.  IT DOES NOT USE STATE IN ANY NORMAL WAY
14:00 < Synx_hm> hate hate hate let it out man
14:01  * Evilpig farts
14:01 <@Evilpig> I do feel less hate now
14:01 <@Dagmar> Well, don't be surprised that I'm going to get a little shrill when I see someone essentially saying "This is all so complex.  You should use pf because it's not as complex".
14:01 <@Dagmar> Nothing makes this less complex.
14:01 <@Dagmar> Nothing.
14:01 <@Dagmar> It's the same shit either way, and the same number of instructional atoms are required to make it happen
14:02 <@Dagmar> uPNP gives NO HINTS within the packets as to any kind of fucking stateness
14:02 < Synx_hm> hey its cool i totally get why you might be frustrated i get the same way often when explaining complex things to others when its not clicking for them :) no worries here
14:02 <@Evilpig> http://geekologie.com/2016/01/man-bathes-in-then-tries-to-escape-batht.php
14:02 <@Dagmar> There's no way to "track" that shit short of maintaining a set of fucking uPNP rules for every host that tries to go through it
14:02 < PigBot> Title: Man Bathes In, Then Tries To Escape Bathtub Filled With 500 Pounds Of Crystal Clear Putty | Geekologie (at geekologie.com) http://tinyurl.com/hrbztno
14:02 < Synx_hm> makes sense
14:03 <@Dagmar> This is sort of fundamentally stupid but it is the reason the _relay daemons_ exist
14:03 <@Dagmar> So.. when I didn't say outright "There's no ipt_* module to help you" earlier I was being mildly sarcastic
14:03 < Synx_hm> i was not aware of all the magic that was happening in the modules themselves, i guess i was looking more for explicit rules that apply only to one direction of traffic not accounting for the fact that they actually apply to both at times
14:03 <@Dagmar> uPNP is literally anathema to having connections tracked
14:04 <@Dagmar> since it was designed to never cross broadcast boundaries, in normal operation it's not a problem
14:04 < Synx_hm> i think the real root of my issue is 'WHY THE FUCK AM I TRYING TO DO BOGUS ROUTING NAT'ing etc on a LAN' why the fuck did docker decide that was a good idea as the default usecase
14:05 <@Dagmar> All the connection tracking magic happens as a courtesy of the state matching module, which will quietly do whatever packet mangling needs to happen
14:06 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: Proably because of hte fucking bugs in NetworkManager that were making building bridges with it only slightly less painful than self-sodomizing with a bristle brush
14:06 <@Dagmar> bugs that literally only went away _last month_
14:06 <@Dagmar> Basically, NetworkManager would just _fuck it all up_
14:07 < Synx_hm> ha
14:07 <@Dagmar> ...and since these fucking hipsters are all trying to use Potterings holy fucking APIs and expecting them to not fuck up, there's quite a bit of running in circles and people ignoring that the house is on fire goin gon
14:07 < Synx_hm> you can see why i wanted to go the openvswitch route now eh?
14:10 <@Dagmar> Well, yeah, but I also question why you're bothering with Docker in the first place
14:10 <@Dagmar> LOTS of people using it for the wrong reason
14:11 < Synx_hm> a) wanted to learn it, b) seems like an awesome way to setup network services such that i can quickly tear them down without remenants (minus all this iptable talk lol), and or upgrade them at will
14:12 < Synx_hm> i have services at the moment all in their own VM's and some have become complicated messes of custom os pathes routing etc
14:12 < Synx_hm> id like to maintain that all in simple dockerfiles
14:12 <@Dagmar> IT'S AN APP!! YAYAYA LOLOL
14:12 <@Dagmar> http://www.explodingkittens.com/app
14:12 < PigBot> Title: The Exploding Kittens multiplayer app is here (at www.explodingkittens.com) http://tinyurl.com/zcyfal8
14:12 <@Dagmar> ...except, not fucking available for Android right now.  pfft.
14:13 <@Dagmar> Fuck you iPhone users
14:13 < _NSAKEY> They also dumped nope cards.
14:13 < _NSAKEY> So, I see no alternative but to nope this app.
14:14 < Synx_hm> i spent 20min when i first got the deck looking for the pope of nope
14:14 <@Dagmar> They'll get them in there
14:14 <@oddball> Why would you do that?
14:14 < Synx_hm> was really pissed when he wasn't there
14:14 <@Dagmar> I'd go ahead and hit up the app and gorge yourself on the addons _now_ while they're free
14:15 <@Dagmar> "This is our first crack at an app, and we had to omit some features to get it out into the world, such as nope cards and android support.  We've got these geatures and plenty more in the pipeline."
14:30 <@Dagmar> Damn Mortie is just a little mischief monster today
14:31 <@Dagmar> I think she's finally realized Merlin is gone and is making up for it by literally just crawling all over me
14:31 <@oddball> heh
14:43 < Synx_hm> _NSAKEY: on the note of pf, id like to write a package for pfsense to use authpf at some point if i can ever find time
14:47 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: my deck has the pope of nope
14:47 < Synx_hm> lucky
14:47 <@Evilpig> he's in the NSFW deck
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15:03 < Catonic_> Dagmar: cats deal with that in interesting ways
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15:04 <@Evilpig> http://geekologie.com/2016/01/woman-starts-petition-for-pg-13-edit-of.php
15:05 <@Evilpig> I hate this woman
15:05 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: Connection timed out.. http://tinyurl.com/gnybgtl
15:11 <@oddball> You've seen the @Deadpool twitter feed response, right?
15:11 <@Evilpig> doubtful
15:11 <@Evilpig> this bitch just irritated me.  "they release a pg-13 trailer and an r trailer why not hte movie too?"
15:12 <@Evilpig> bitch.. that's a red band trailer
15:12 <@oddball> let me see if I can find it
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15:15 <@oddball> http://i.imgur.com/DxTHqms.jpg
15:16 <@Evilpig> that's fantastic
15:19 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/ComedicMerc/status/689197497827373056
15:19 < PigBot> Title: Deadpool on Twitter: "#WeAllKnowThatOneGirl #AngelDust https://t.co/ZHV1yZir1M" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zy678kp
15:20 <@RangerZ> https://twitter.com/ComedicMerc/status/687838144226574336
15:20 <@RangerZ> it wasn't photoshoped
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15:23 <@oddball> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIY0ioW0AAT6_-.jpg
15:25 <@Catonic> Please tell me the kids name is unconventional and mispelled.
15:27 <@Catonic> https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/comments/41vfe0/i_got_a_promotion_because_i_dont_have_kids_and/
15:27 < PigBot> Title: I got a promotion because I don't have kids and the mommy who didn't is very upset. : childfree (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/zdpxfzs
15:27 <@Catonic> 'I stick my head into my bosses office and ask where my first assignment is and he says "you'll be in Yangon for a month in February." I say "hell yea" and go to my desk to browse reddit and pretend I'm working.'
15:27 <@Catonic> ^ that's why he got that job. PMA.
15:34 <@RangerZ> http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/will-jared-letos-joker-be-too-raw-and-subversive-for-mo-1749717946
15:34 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
15:34 <@RangerZ> so apparently THAT is a 'thing'
15:35 <@RangerZ> a few people getting banned from twitter for talking about Suicide Squad
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16:01 < _NSAKEY> If you're any of you are interested, NashSec is at Amari at 6:30.
16:01 < _NSAKEY> Wow, my typing is reaching benthemeek levels of engrish.
16:01 < _NSAKEY> s/you're //
16:10 <@oddball> hmmm...
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16:24 <@RangerZ> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/263025908/jaguarboard-x86-based-single-board-computer
16:24 < PigBot> Title: JaguarBoard: x86-based Single Board Computer by Jaguar Electronic HK Co., Ltd. Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) http://tinyurl.com/z7ohvlf
16:24 <@RangerZ> so we got an x86 RaPi competitor (clone)
16:30 <@RangerZ> but from the video... I'm curious if _anyone_ on the team speaks English at all.... because they use a text-> speech for it
16:32 < aestetix> Ok, would I be stupid if I decided to take a trip to Beiruit?
16:32 <@RangerZ> ohh the updates are precious too
16:32 <@RangerZ> no
16:32 <@RangerZ> we want you put on the terrorist watchlist
16:32 < aestetix> lol
16:32 < aestetix> Beruit is in Lebanon, not Syria
16:32 <@RangerZ> and?
16:33 <@RangerZ> I knew/know that full well
16:33 <@RangerZ> lets say on the off chance that a republican gets into office
16:33 <@RangerZ> do you think they won't pass a bill stating that you wouldn't be under heightened scrutiny
16:34 < aestetix> so I need to go before the election
16:34 <@RangerZ> Especially one of those laws that doesn't have to be 'public' because it is because of "security"
16:34 <@RangerZ> where they leave the 'details' up to appointed gov't employees to 'figure out'
16:34 <@RangerZ> in secret
16:35 < aestetix> Actually I would love to visit Syria
16:35 <@RangerZ> honestly.... I'll tell you the same thing I told Elonka, I wouldn't travel to the middle east right now, under any circumstance
16:35 <@RangerZ> she has a possible job in the UAE
16:35 <@RangerZ> and I was like .... ha... no...
16:35 < aestetix> .... she DOES know what the laws there are like, right?
16:36 < aestetix> Where women are considered property of their husbands
16:36 <@RangerZ> I don't think she -fully- grasps them
16:36 <@RangerZ> She said she did, but I don't think the realization that she has to _give up her passport_ when she arrives has hit her
16:36 <@RangerZ> and what that means
16:36 < aestetix> She should be well traveled enough to know better.
16:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Someone mentioned the passport thing when we were at Savarino's. Maybe it was you.
16:37 <@RangerZ> yeah, it was
16:37 <@RangerZ> from my understanding it is done by the _employer_ not the "gov't"
16:37 <@RangerZ> that way you can't leave
16:38 <@RangerZ> which is what happened to the forced labor slaves building the stadiums, etc
16:38 < aestetix> I mean I have been to Russia, and that place felt insanely oppressive.
16:38 < aestetix> And it's fucking Disneyland compared to UAE
16:38 <@RangerZ> as a Male... its "feasible" to go... but I would never allow a female family member to go there, unless she was part of a gov't envoy/etc.
16:39 <@RangerZ> ....except my aunt....
16:39 <@RangerZ> I might just pay for her to go myself...
16:39 < aestetix> It's funny, I keep wishing more SJW idiots would go to Russia.
16:41 <@RangerZ> but anyways... I would still recommend you avoid it
16:41 < aestetix> well I have a couple standing offers from friends who live there
16:41 < aestetix> IE locals who grew up there, not some idiot tourist living there
16:41 <@RangerZ> Lebanon is having over-population issues too, because of the population now increasing by 25~30% from syrian refugees
16:42 < aestetix> Yes, thats what one of them told me
16:42 < aestetix> They have a population of 4 million, and have taken in 3 million refugees
16:42 <@RangerZ> my understanding was 4/1.3 but yeah
16:42 <@RangerZ> I haven't paid TOO MUCH attention
16:42 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Maybe we're just so bad that Elonka wants to go to UAE to get away? Heh.
16:43 <@RangerZ> Ohh... I think I said something that kinda irk'ed her
16:43 < _NSAKEY> What did you do?
16:43 <@RangerZ> I made the comment... "what... to this group... with how many of us having bachelors or masters?"
16:43 < aestetix> huh?
16:44 < aestetix> AFAIK she doesn't have a degree...
16:44 <@RangerZ> yeah, my comment wasn't to her
16:44 <@RangerZ> it was in reply to something else (which I forget offhand now)
16:44 <@RangerZ> and then she replied that 'not everyone' kinda... dryly...
16:46 <@RangerZ> and then I realized.... I looked around and I couldn't think of -anyone- else there at the time who has a degree(s).... lol
16:46 <@Catonic> RangerZ: no degree, know everything.
16:47 <@RangerZ> Catonic: Not saying thats a 'bad' thing, just that I'm used to now being surrounded by people with BS/MS and/or PhD...
16:47 <@RangerZ> and without _some_ 4 year degree... a lot of company HR's still won't even look at your resume, regardless of experience, etc.
16:48 <@RangerZ> thats the problem Elonka is having
16:49 <@RangerZ> but yeah... just an online degree would make a world of difference, even if it was in psychology, would be a great help to a lot of people.
16:51 < aestetix> Wait, is Elonka looking for a new job?
16:51 <@RangerZ> yeah
16:51 < aestetix> why?
16:51 < aestetix> I thought she was a founder of some place
16:51 <@RangerZ> the studio she was working at went belly up
16:52 <@RangerZ> non-owner founder
16:52 < aestetix> got it
16:52 <@RangerZ> and there is .0467 game studios in Nashville she can apply for
16:52 <@RangerZ> lol
16:53 <@RangerZ> just "management" she could get hired quick in health care or something, but she want to stay in games
16:53 < aestetix> Could she go back to her old gig?
16:54 < aestetix> Or start a new company...
17:01 <@RangerZ> not really (in nashville)
17:01 <@RangerZ> no ecosystem of game startups
17:01 <@RangerZ> plenty for healthcare/device manf. startups.... IoT startups, etc.
17:01 <@RangerZ> but not for games
17:04 <@RangerZ> and _NSAKEY will have to take over for her....hahah
17:05 <@Dagmar> Well, the tech is gone and at least I still have 105mbit
17:05 <@Dagmar> ...and another call resolution number.
17:05 <@Dagmar> Time to call Lyft so I can get the escape pod back
17:06 <@Dagmar> Oh lewk... The app is promising a seven minute reponse time
17:06 <@Dagmar> SUCK MY DICK, YELLOW CAB
17:09 <@RangerZ> pretty much
17:10 <@RangerZ> Uber/Lyft should have -never- existed
17:10 <@RangerZ> but the cab companies refused to provide a good service
17:24 < Synx_hm> mother fucker openstack wont install on a fresh ubuntu server lts either
17:24 < Synx_hm> what the fuck
17:27  * Evilpig cheers
17:28 < aestetix> Evilpig: finally took a bath?
17:34 <@RangerZ> nope, he found an extra fortune cookie in his Chinese takeout
17:35 <@RangerZ> so... odd question... but anyone familiar with a good teleprompter software for Android and/or iOS?
17:36 <@Evilpig> I can't just be happy for Synx_hm's misfortune?  stop trying to make me into a normal person
17:36 <@RangerZ> for use with tablet(s) obviously
17:37 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: I've got a pack of notecards.
17:40 <@Evilpig> well the ps4 is being pissy about some update, guess i'll do my laundry.  it had an update and the details on it were "improves system stability"  that's it.
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17:56 <@jb7od> Okay- here's a scenario that I'd like a second opinion on; I inhereted a Django site. There's a redirect going to the wrong place. It's not a proper vhost and it's not .htaccess and it's not in urls.py.
17:57 <@jb7od> Any guesses?
17:57 <@Evilpig> enable deeper logging on apache and look for it there
17:57 <@jb7od> Disregard. I found it.
17:58 <@Evilpig> option 2) was pull your head out of your ass
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18:02 <@jb7od> They tried to get slick and use a file in sites-enabled not named default but left default in there.
18:03 <@jb7od> I guess technically I pulled my head out of their ass.. Maybe I pulled their head out of mine. Not sure...
18:08 <@Evilpig> I kinda want to see you pull your head out of someone else's ass
18:08 <@Evilpig> I imagine there would be alot of grunting and yelling involved
19:02 <@jb7od> I just flashed back to the first time I heard someone call someone else an asshat...
19:04 <@Evilpig> you were confused but knew it was something amazing?
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21:38 <@Dagmar> I got the _last_ loaf of wheat bread Publix has
21:39 <@Dagmar> ...and it was "reduced fat"
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22:00 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/690175736225882112
22:01 < PigBot> Title: TechnicallyRon on Twitter: "I used Google autocomplete to write a dating profile and it may be the best dating profile ever https://t.co/DyspovLr3t" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/jmztwwt
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22:36 <@RangerZ> Synx_hm: we talked about your multicast issue at dinner tonight
22:37 <@Dagmar> sounds much nicer than "laughed at" that way
22:37 <@RangerZ> we decided to not tell you our conclusion, it wouldn't be a proper way for us to make you toil for a full week on it. so we'll tell you in 6 days
22:38 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: you are on IRC, so I assume that no female spontaneously showed up at your apartment
22:39 <@Dagmar> Nope
22:39 <@Dagmar> It's just me, the cat, and a rapidly dimishing number of chocolate creme-filled Twinkies
22:42 < LastChild> Dagmar: no hooch?
22:42 <@Dagmar> That'll come later, when I get ready to start reaching out to random women on OkCupid
22:43 < LastChild> LOL
22:45 <@RangerZ> they are only random until their clothes are in a pile on your floor
22:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah my life's not exciting enough for them to be random like that anymore
22:48 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: I think you need to inform _NSAKEY again of the movie he must watch
22:48 <@Dagmar> He'd better be watchin' it right damn now
22:48 < _NSAKEY> Limitless.
22:48 < _NSAKEY> I was actually catching up on TV I've missed.
22:50 <@RangerZ> its a great movie, I actually caught it on HBO back when I had cable
22:51 <@Dagmar> I sigh when I see packs of transparent LRF now
22:52 <@RangerZ> and yes, AES, RSA will both be broken, and P =?= NP will be solved
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23:15 <@RangerZ> if it gets 1~2 degrees colder tonight than they figured....
23:16 <@RangerZ> ICE Capades out there tomorrow morning
23:59 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5FXpSBYyuY this fucking sickens me....
23:59 < PigBot> Title: Fox on Flint: The Residents Sort of Did It to Themselves - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/znk2uvp
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