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04:22 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMP-BrXhcR0
04:22 < PigBot> Title: British Parliament debates potential Trump ban - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j6ruvy3
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06:42 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:55  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:11 < aestetix> ok so
07:11 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/41lvc1/black_lives_matters_demonstrators_block_all_san/
07:11 < PigBot> Title: Black Lives Matters Demonstrators Block All San Francisco-Bound Bay Bridge Lanes : news (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/h56nzlr
07:11 < aestetix> can someone explain to me what they were trying to do?
07:11 <@Evilpig> get run over
07:11 <@Evilpig> then they can say that the white man is trampling their rights to be assholes
07:12 <@Evilpig> I'd just cite is as an example of the whiteman promoting their ability to be speedbumps
07:12 < aestetix> but at least one of the protesters was also white
07:12 <@Evilpig> SJW
07:22 < RangerZ1> aestetix: the only protests that matter are economic-stoppage ones
07:22 < RangerZ1> because black children dying doesn't apparently change anything
07:23 < RangerZ1> the cops in Cleveland that -executed- the black kid for having a _pellet gun_
07:23 < RangerZ1> didn't get charged
07:23 < RangerZ1> and here is the fucking kicker... Its Ohio... Its a "right to carry" state
07:23 < RangerZ1> so if he had a _REAL_ gun, then they still wouldn't have been justified in shooting him
07:24 < RangerZ1> gotta remember, people in this channel aren't the richest of people (other than Evilpig and his 'bawler vandy money')
07:24  * Evilpig throws a handful of pennies at RangerZ1 
07:25 < RangerZ1> but we still don't have to deal with as much shit as the poor inner city people (generally minorities)
07:27  * RangerZ1 collects those pennies... because 'grad student reasons'
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07:48 < aestetix> All I can say is
07:48 < aestetix> everyone in the US seems angry
07:48 < aestetix> but nobody can agree on what they are angry about
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08:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: I really don't understand why there is all this anger about racism, but no anger about student debt and the health care industry.
08:18 < aestetix> Maybe someone thinks they can fight racism by criticising their peer, but the other issues are too hard?
08:22 <@Evilpig> becuase student debt is generally a product of their own making
08:23 <@Evilpig> health care is so fundamentally broken that nobody feels they can do shit about it so they're diverting and taking the easier more visible route
08:24 <@CRasH180> Racism is something that is completely within our control and hate is a cowards way of thinking.
08:24 < aestetix> How is student debt a product of their own making?
08:24 < aestetix> If you can't get a job without a degree...
08:24 <@CRasH180> The person that decided to take out the loan decided to take out that loan
08:24 <@Evilpig> I work with several people without degrees
08:24 <@Evilpig> 2) you can choose the school you goto
08:25 <@Evilpig> you don't have to chose vanderbilt at whatever ridiculous amount they charge per semester
08:25 <@Evilpig> You can choose to work while you're in school and offset the amount you borrow
08:25 <@CRasH180> There are many decisions we make every day. They lead us to where we are now. But, can always be changed
08:25 <@CRasH180> brb
08:25 <@Evilpig> student debt, while definitely out of control, is largely a problem of their own making
08:26 <@Evilpig> I went to college and came out about $10,000 in debt or less.  I dont' even remember now.  I worked full time in college and got zero in financial aid 
08:26 <@Dagmar> Wheeeee
08:26 < aestetix> CRasH180: it's within your control to determine your own actions. Not others.
08:27 <@Dagmar> Some silly person on G+ wants to take issue with me calling into question the validity of a "WOmen-Centric" sci-fi convention
08:27 <@Dagmar> Fucking noob asses
08:27 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I hate those people
08:27 <@Dagmar> It's not our fault that it was primarily only _men_ that were basically _driven_ from mainstream culture
08:27 <@Dagmar> SHe actually called us a "priviledged class"
08:27 < aestetix> a women centric scifi convention?
08:28 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm like, "THat's not how this works"
08:28 <@Dagmar> Sci-fi fans are cultural outsiders and always have been
08:28 <@oddball> Wizcon? Or one of the handful of other ones?
08:28 <@Dagmar> It's not without reason that the Sci-fi channel was literally hte only foray into that
08:28 < aestetix> Dagmar: at CCC this year, my friend Emerson, who is Asian and from London, gave a talk on how he worked with three guys from Sierra Leonna to solve the ebola epidemic there.
08:29 < aestetix> So it was him and three guys from the 6th poorest country in the world skyped in
08:29 < aestetix> And some fucking SJW called him racist during the Q&A
08:29 <@Dagmar> I take it they were ejected from the conference?
08:29 < aestetix> I mean I guess there are 5 countries worse off.....
08:30 < aestetix> His response was "Ok. next question?"
08:31 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure I jsut got blocked by the person posting
08:31 <@Dagmar> Ph well
08:31 <@oddball> The "fun" thing with that bullshit is that there's typically a shit ton of panels run by women at scifi cons.  Hell, there's a good percentage of women on staff at any given con.
08:31 <@Dagmar> Oh wait no, it's just being hard to find in my feed history
08:31 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/113393016382231831840/posts/NGVex6Rqa4j
08:31 < PigBot> Title: This looks really interesting! (at plus.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/zuemus7
08:32 <@oddball> So, I never quite understood the need for "women-centric" cons.  Women are not being supressed at "normal" cons.
08:32 <@rattle> I'm not always bothered by building restrictions, but when I am, it involves people like Jeb Bush.
08:32 <@Dagmar> They're certainly not being turned away from Scifi cons
08:32 <@Evilpig> aestetix: here's an example.  http://www.murraystate.edu/admissions/BursarsOffice/UndergraduateTuition.aspx  <-- where I went to college  note the cost
08:32 < PigBot> Title: Undergraduate Tuition Rates (at www.murraystate.edu) http://tinyurl.com/zfmrn75
08:33 <@oddball> Hate to tell them, but that's far from the first con to advertise themselves as the first women-centric/feminist con.
08:33 <@Dagmar> These people are looking to manufacture a problem that doesn't exist by skipping ahead to "a solution" and then claiming they fixed it
08:33 < aestetix> rattle: btw, Hillary really needs to tone down the women's rights card.
08:33 < aestetix> Nobody in their right mind is opposed to equal pay these days.
08:33 < aestetix> Of course, then there's Trump....
08:33 <@Evilpig> aestetix: same info for vanderbilt.  http://peabody.vanderbilt.edu/admin-offices/oas/tuition_and_fees.php
08:33 < PigBot> Title: Tuition and Fees | Office of Academic Services | Administrative Offices | Peabody College of Education and Human Development | Vanderbilt University (at peabody.vanderbilt.edu) http://tinyurl.com/zlzuaaa
08:33 <@Dagmar> oddball: IF you want to email me a list of them, or as many as you can remember, I promise not to destroy their arguments completely viciously ;)
08:34 <@oddball> heh
08:34 < aestetix> Evilpig: as someone who went to a community college, I'm totally in agreement with you
08:34 <@oddball> That would require actually looking them up.  Someone already mentioned WisCon.
08:34 <@Evilpig> $4,000 vs $21,000    now who's fault is it that the average student is in that much debt?
08:35 < aestetix> Evilpig: there is a valid question of why the schools are charging that much.
08:35 <@Evilpig> because they can get people to pay it
08:35 <@Dolemite> In all honesty, women didn't really have a problem with the way they were treated at sci-fi and comic book conventions...   until those things became popular with the mainstream.  It's not the people who created those havens for their own interests that are at fault...  it's all of the culture tourists that you'd find at just about any other public event.
08:35 < aestetix> And it also leads to a question: should you get a better education if you pay more?
08:35 <@Evilpig> that isn't even a question
08:35 <@Evilpig> why does whole foods charge more than kroger or publix ?
08:35 <@Dolemite> Because they CAN
08:35 < aestetix> Because they are selling a brand.
08:35 <@Evilpig> exactly
08:36 <@Evilpig> so you're agreeing to pay more for a vanderbilt diploma based on name recognition and NOT the quality of education
08:36 < aestetix> And I now know from experience that Harvard students are not some well groomed breed apart from everyone else.
08:36 < aestetix> and we all know this is the same with Yale
08:37 < aestetix> Dolemite: there are a lot of solutions loooking for problems.
08:37 <@Evilpig> student debt is a problem, but not a major issue because it is one of their own making.  you can partly blame the parents of students for not teaching them how to manage money better or make better decisions on that kind of thing
08:37 <@oddball> Dagmar: Seriously, look at any scifi con, and if their guest of honor isn't female, then their artist guest probably is, or another of their headliner guests, and a large chunk of the panelists will be women.
08:38 < aestetix> oddball: I personally oppose taking any pledge about panels.
08:38 < aestetix> oddball: further, I have refuesed to attend conferences that had shitty CoCs.
08:38 <@oddball> pledge about panels?
08:38 < aestetix> oddball: a lot of people are taking a pledge that they will not be on all white-male panels.
08:39 < aestetix> Given that I am opposed to quotas, I'm also opposed to that.
08:39 <@Evilpig> aestetix: those aren't people. they're SJWs
08:39 <@oddball> I... what?!
08:39 < aestetix> hahaha
08:39 <@oddball> ++
08:40 <@Evilpig> stop treating them as equals and eventually they'll rise to be equal
08:40 <@Evilpig> after they get a clue
08:40 < aestetix> There's a quote I've always liked
08:40 < aestetix> "I'm not sure why women want to be equal. They're better than us and always have been."
08:42 <@Evilpig> back on that other rant.  MTSU in state tuition is about the same as MSU maxing out at $4800 a semester for 18 hours of classes
08:42 <@Evilpig> and that's a hell of a class load
08:42 <@oddball> It's a pretty easy equation: white folks make up the majority of the population in the US, even more so when you look at just the folks that have enough of a disposable income to drop a few hundred bucks on a weekend-long geek party, therefor there's going to be more white folks to pull from.
08:43 <@rattle> I'm not so sure about that Dag..  One of the reasons I had issues dragging my soon-to-be-ex-wife out to cons was that she would constantly get harassed by morons..
08:43 <@oddball> Actually... come to think of it, I think most of the con-going folks I know are women.
08:43 <@Dolemite> soon-to-be-ex-wife?
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08:44 < aestetix> there is a rumor that Sarah Palin will endorse Trump
08:44 <@oddball> rattle: From what I've seen, scifi con folks tend to know how to behave better than tech con goers.
08:45 <@rattle> Yeah, that's basically all you need to know.  She's living in Boston, and I'm living in NYC, and that's about the minimum distance we should have between us.
08:45 <@Evilpig> rattle: that can be a problem.  some knuckle draggers only socialize at cons, it seems.  the other side of that is generally those types are on the spectrum somewhere and used to be called aspbergers or whatever
08:45 <@Dagmar> rattle: She's a pretty girl, and that shit goes on in bars which have nothing to do with cons, too
08:45 <@oddball> rattle: bah, suck.  Sorry to hear that.
08:45 < aestetix> rattle: wait, soon to be ex? Was that sarcasm?
08:45 <@rattle> The folks at the bars seem to take a clue easier.
08:45 <@Dagmar> They're probably more used to rejection
08:49 <@Evilpig> I shoudl call and thank comcast for the comcastic service today
08:49 <@Evilpig> 64 bytes from 96.80.184.102: icmp_seq=4045 ttl=52 time=8056.244 ms
08:49 <@Evilpig> 64 bytes from 96.80.184.102: icmp_seq=4046 ttl=52 time=9402.329 ms
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08:50 < aestetix> hey you have more ms than me
08:50 < aestetix> that's not fair
08:50 <@oddball> Evilpig: Gotta love ping times you can time with a stop watch.
08:51 <@oddball> Evilpig: I take it that's your home IP?
08:52 <@Evilpig> yeah, router address
08:52 <@Evilpig> gotta make sure they can't blame the device behind the router
08:53 <@Dolemite> rattle:  Is she at least being human about your ability to spend time with your offspring?
08:54 <@CRasH180> I called Sprint technical support yesterday and actually spoke to two people in the US. The Technical Support rep was two hours away in Miami
08:55 <@Evilpig> CRasH180: what for?
08:55 <@rattle> So far, she's not being reasonable about anything.
08:56 < aestetix> rattle: I'm sorry to hear that.
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08:58 < aestetix> rattle: you should blame Donald Trump.
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09:03 <@Dagmar> CRasH180: So, you're telling us you spoke with a Puerto Rican, then?
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09:22 < aestetix> RangerZ1: that conversation you linked me to
09:23 < aestetix> I was pretty about it until they got onto atheism
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09:37 < RangerZ1> aestetix: can't have everything in life
09:37 < RangerZ1> speaking of
09:38 < RangerZ1> are you alright?
09:38 < RangerZ1> did you have to seek medical attention? actually is _NSAKEY alright too?
09:38 < RangerZ1> I know twitter going down can be a traumatic experience for you
09:42 < aestetix> what?
09:42 < aestetix> ool
09:42 < aestetix> lol
09:42 < aestetix> RangerZ1: my issue was when he said he was not ok with people not being atheist.
09:42 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: I haven't even noticed.
09:42 < aestetix> I am so tempted to say he was using microaggressions
09:43 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: When did it go down?
09:43 < aestetix> RangerZ1: the moment he said that, he became an atheist missionary.
09:43 < _NSAKEY> If it was last night, I was too busy fighting Dependency Hell on IRIX.
09:43 < _NSAKEY> If it was this morning, I was likely asleep, due to staying up late because of the aforementioned Dependency Hell before giving up.
09:45 < RangerZ1> I have no idea, I heard it on NPR actually
09:45 < aestetix> how long was it down?
09:45 < _NSAKEY> Unless tweetdeck crashes, I'm not going to notice.
09:46 < RangerZ1> aestetix: I think the "they are regressive left" (david reubean(sp?), sam harris (the main one) , and others) are a symptom of a bigger issue, There isn't a "stigma" to being called an atheist on the coasts in the USA (certainly is in the middle)
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09:47 < RangerZ1> and that has lead to atheists forgetting that they need to 'pretend' to care about theists
09:47 < aestetix> really
09:47 < aestetix> RangerZ1: they had this sort of arrogant conviction that they are right
09:47 < RangerZ1> yes, because they forget about 'optics'
09:47 < RangerZ1> To compare it to obama.... Obama was the PERFECT president to change things 5%
09:47 < aestetix> lol
09:48 <@klixa> im an atheoist and i care about theists...its not pretend
09:48 < aestetix> But they are using the same arrogance they are attacking.
09:48 <@klixa> i actually consider muyself agnostic tho
09:48 <@klixa> atheist, to me, is too much of a belief unto itself
09:48 < RangerZ1> he did a LOT of good in his first 100 days, and then has basically stopped 'bad things' from happening and slowly fixed other things
09:48 < aestetix> klixa: exactly
09:49 < aestetix> klixa: there was a point in the interview where he said he's not ok with people being theists, that's when I tuned him out
09:49 < RangerZ1> I'm a Deist which basically allows me to say to theists I believe with you, but also to say the exact same thing to atheists
09:49 < RangerZ1> perfect middleground, lol
09:49 <@klixa> lol
09:49 < RangerZ1> (not really 'perfect', but you get my point)
09:49 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, i would tune him out too... i dont care for intolerance of that type
09:49 < aestetix> RangerZ1: so if someone is not an atheist but they don't go to church, that's ok in the south?
09:49 < RangerZ1> depends if they are black or not
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09:50 < aestetix> klixa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnDZ4ERVSGo
09:50 < PigBot> Title: Peter Boghossian and Dave Rubin: Critical Thinking, Atheism, and Faith [Full Interview] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/pw2y3cq
09:50 < aestetix> lol
09:50 < RangerZ1> i'm not kidding
09:50 < RangerZ1> blacks or other sub-cultures still require that
09:50 < aestetix> they require what
09:50 < RangerZ1> if you just don't "go often" then thats fine
09:50 < RangerZ1> participation in church 'stuff'
09:51 < aestetix> so basically you just need to say you believe in god?
09:51  * aestetix is confused
09:52 <@klixa> RangerZ1: my white 6 foot 4 , upper middle class brother goes to church to "fit in"
09:53 <@klixa> you can miss out on good jobs if you arent the "right"religion
09:53 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ hasn't spent a lot of time in the local suburbs.
09:53 < aestetix> that's insane
09:53 <@klixa> hmm, i guess technically he has the same employer as many of you...he works at vanderbilt...
09:53 < aestetix> just say "it's private"
09:53 <@klixa> tho he works for the medical center part
09:55 < aestetix> klixa: how do they know you are in the right religion?
09:55 < aestetix> do you go around saying "I'm an atheist" or some shit?
09:55 <@klixa> aestetix: church attendemce and stuff
09:56 < aestetix> so you do need to go to church then
09:56 < aestetix> it's not just the blacks
09:56 <@klixa> aestetix: you have to do what the people around you are doing to fit in...go to the right church, shop at the right stores, have your kids in the right school district, etc
09:56 <@klixa> aestetix: no, not just the blacks
09:57 <@klixa> aestetix: its not as important in the poor and lower middle class groups tho
09:57 < RangerZ1> klixa: thats my point
09:58 < RangerZ1> _NSAKEY: no I haven't, but I grew up in one of the richest suburbs in Ohio, so I'm familiar with how it plays out
09:58 <@klixa> RangerZ1: if your point is that its not the same for everyone, i agree... but its not a race thing (other than black families tend to be closer knit and the family puts on teh church pressure)
10:00 < RangerZ1> church is a very integral part of a LOT of black families, was my point
10:00 <@klixa> it's also situational...my father owned his own business...in Nashville...and was an atheist...didnt affect him at all
10:00 < RangerZ1> where irish catholics basically coined the term C&E Catholic
10:00 < RangerZ1> << was one for years
10:00 < RangerZ1> technically still am
10:00 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: C&E = ?
10:00 < RangerZ1> Christmas and Easter
10:00 < RangerZ1> you only go to 2 masses a year
10:00 < _NSAKEY> klixa: Then they probably secretly hated him, but took his money anyway.
10:01 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: well, he was in the music industry...they are a bit more tolerant
10:02 < RangerZ1> back home, if you wanted to 'show your face' you went to one of the 2~3 major catholic churches
10:02 < RangerZ1> even if you weren't catholic
10:02 <@klixa> yeah northern ohio is weird like that
10:02 < RangerZ1> you'd go to the summer festival
10:02 < RangerZ1> etc
10:02 < RangerZ1> the 'spaghetti dinners'
10:02 <@klixa> im back in columbus... but a week ago in cleavland it seemed liek ALL churches were catholic
10:03 < RangerZ1> nope, just the important ones with money
10:03 < _NSAKEY> klixa: Weren't you in Seattle like, 2 weeks ago?
10:03 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: more like 5 weeks ago
10:03 < RangerZ1> Ohio has basically the -exact- same demographics as the country as a whole
10:03 < _NSAKEY> That's a lot of driving.
10:03 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: Maine to Seattle (stayed 2 weeks), then to Ohio...and back and foirth within ohio from cleavland to columbux for 3 weeks...now settled in columbus
10:04 < RangerZ1> but Irish/Italians have a LOT of sway in N/NE Ohio
10:04 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: yeah the fiber job didnt work out
10:04 < RangerZ1> and both are catholic
10:05 < RangerZ1> the 3 "big" families around Youngstown were 2 Italian families involved in Construction and 1 Irish family (mine) involved in Oil/gas stations
10:05 < RangerZ1> 2 of them went to the same church (also mine)
10:05 < RangerZ1> along with the nation's largest manf. of fireworks
10:06 < RangerZ1> so our "church festival fireworks display" was basically fucking insane...
10:06 < aestetix> this is all odd
10:06 < RangerZ1> not really
10:06 < aestetix> to me
10:06 < RangerZ1> it hold true in nashville too
10:06 < RangerZ1> same in atlanta
10:07 < aestetix> I mean, I was in the bay area, and now I'm in berlin, where for decades the state sponsored religion was atheism
10:07 < RangerZ1> same on the coasts too, but they are less visible there
10:07 <@klixa> aestetix: when we live din germany, my mom took me to church one weekend in my fathers car. he was furious because he did not like that people would have seen HIS car at a church
10:07 < RangerZ1> jews in NYC all have the same 'community' centered around their religion
10:08 <@klixa> it was so backwards form the south... where you want your car seen at a church
10:08 < aestetix> klixa: sounds about right
10:08 < RangerZ1> klixa: my grandmother couldn't drive my great-grandfather's car back in the 60s in NC , b/c she was catholic
10:08 < RangerZ1> he didn't personally care, but it would cause problems in the community
10:08 < RangerZ1> he was WASP
10:09 < aestetix> klixa: which is interesting because there are many huge catholic churches here
10:09 < aestetix> including one outside my window
10:09 < RangerZ1> aestetix: yes, but they are from the 1400s
10:09 < aestetix> but I'm in the west. the east is totally different
10:09 < RangerZ1> LOL
10:09 <@klixa> aestetix: i was in Frankfurt
10:09 <@klixa> also the west
10:09 < aestetix> well religion also plays a very different role in germany
10:10 < aestetix> the whole nazi thing
10:10 <@klixa> all i know is my german family are all non religious
10:10 < aestetix> well right
10:10 < aestetix> I mean a lot of people blame religion for the nazis
10:11 < RangerZ1> russia had a lot to do with that... that was basically their official line on the issue
10:11 <@klixa> a lot of people also feel god failed them since ww2 even happened at all and quit being religious
10:11 < aestetix> there's that bit too
10:11 < aestetix> especially the jews
10:12 < aestetix> klixa: on the other hand, Italy is super religious still
10:12 < RangerZ1> so close to rome
10:12 <@klixa> aestetix: maybe its because italians have a much different disposition than germans
10:13 < aestetix> klixa: you mean the vatican? :p
10:13 < RangerZ1> plus so ingrained in national identity for -millennia-
10:13 <@klixa> if you wanna go by steretypes, italians are supposed to be much more emotional and stuff than germans
10:14 < RangerZ1> southern Europeans in general I'd say
10:14 < aestetix> and they are
10:14 <@klixa> germans are more "pray to god not to have ww2" ww2 happens anyway "why waste time praying it doesnt work" everyone becomes atheiests
10:15 <@klixa> ive just recently realise my father had autism...but i never noticed cause he wasnt *that* different from regular germans
10:15 < aestetix> klixa: instead of praying to god, they could have not invaded poland
10:15 < RangerZ1> then of course you have polish pope who stood up to the nazis and actually stood infront of nazis and dared them to kill polish jews by shooting through him.... then you have the next pope who was literally in the -little league nazi party-
10:15 < aestetix> which makes for a great insult by the way
10:15 < aestetix> a german pushes you on the street "who do you think I am, poland?"
10:15 <@klixa> lol
10:16 <@klixa> when i lived in germany, the big insult was turkey/turkish
10:16 <@klixa> oh, then of course "auslander" in general
10:16 < RangerZ1> The previous pope looking the the Emperor from fucking star-wars still gets me....
10:17 < RangerZ1> But aestetix, I'm curious, how long have/did you have to stay in Germany to become eligible for their social programs/health/etc
10:17 <@klixa> speaking of Star Wars... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOSCASqLsE
10:17 < PigBot> Title: Star Wars Undercover Boss: Starkiller Base - SNL - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jdo94np
10:18 < RangerZ1> and do you -have- to learn Germany (legally) (Obviously I know its best to socially)
10:18 < aestetix> RangerZ1: 5 years
10:18 < aestetix> well 5 years to get the pension
10:18 < aestetix> I'm already on the social health care
10:18 < RangerZ1> yeah, that was my question, 'how long' did that take
10:18 <@klixa> i have bad credit...if i mived to germany would i still have bad credit?
10:20 < aestetix> no
10:20 < RangerZ1> klixa: I've been told that credit doesn't transfer overseas (at least from india/asia, I'd be curious about EU)
10:20 < aestetix> Germany does not recognize American credit.
10:20 <@klixa> RangerZ1: thats what i have been told to
10:20 <@klixa> ok i sooo need to move to germany then for that reason alone
10:20 <@klixa> #newstart
10:20 <@klixa> i neeed to learn german so i can read the stupid passport form
10:20 < RangerZ1> I think it actually doesn't even transfer to Canada
10:21 < RangerZ1> klixa: you can get help with that IIRC from the embassy here
10:21 <@klixa> RangerZ1: yeah, but i have to like actually go to one
10:21 < RangerZ1> plus you don't need a visa to get into germany (to visit)
10:22 <@klixa> RangerZ1: im a german citizen... but i have to formalise it
10:22 <@klixa> by getting a passport
10:22 < RangerZ1> ahh
10:23 < RangerZ1> I actually had a talk with the former UN Ambassador about this when he came to my undergrad, me and my prof took him out to lunch before his talk
10:23 < RangerZ1> I can't get my Irish citizenship automatically since my family has been in the US too long (and 3rd gen can just 'get it', or could)
10:24 <@klixa> my father didnt come to the US until he was in his 30's and he never became a citizen...thats why im eligible
10:24 < RangerZ1> and I'm not against moving at some point (possibly UK, since I have issues with learning foreign languages)
10:24 < RangerZ1> basically moving -to- a country to learn would be my only option....
10:25 < RangerZ1> speech impediment and slight hearing issues.... and _years_ in speech therapy have basically made it _VERY_ difficult for me to learn other languages....
10:25 <@klixa> RangerZ1: it would be easier to meet an irish chick online and marry her thnan trying to get yoru own citizenship
10:25 < RangerZ1> and there is Ohio saying "nope... you learned 'southern english'... you are going to learn 'proper english' ...."
10:26 < RangerZ1> (was 2.5 when moved from NC to OH, lol)
10:26 <@klixa> RangerZ1: do you mean a southern accent, or do you mean the soiuthern style as well...ie. incorrect grammar
10:26 < RangerZ1> accent and 'warsh' instead of 'wash'
10:26 < RangerZ1> etc
10:27 <@klixa> omg no :P
10:27 <@klixa> warsh :(
10:27 < RangerZ1> and I had issues with R, S, and SH, sounds
10:27 < RangerZ1> but that was a lot do with my my ear
10:27 <@klixa> i have an accent, but since ive been away so long, i say very few southernisms... like i quit saying ya'll... and i didt even try to quit that, cause i thought it was cute
10:28 <@klixa> but it sounds wrong to me cause i NEVER hear it
10:28 < RangerZ1> so its a combo of things that add up to basically me ending up being the case for why my undergrad dropped foreign language as a pre-req for a Bachelors of Science
10:28 < RangerZ1> b/c I had a full ride to Vandy (a Research One Univ.) and I wouldn't be able to graduate without my 'foreign language' credits
10:29 < RangerZ1> so they let me finally substitute it because they didn't re-offer Japanese (which I was actually 'alright' at, enough to 'pass' the first semester... and 'maybe' the 2nd if they re-offered it)
10:29 < RangerZ1> so I took 'history of russia up til 1912' lol
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10:30 < RangerZ1> and the next year, the dean used me as the example as why they should just drop the requirement
10:30 < RangerZ1> I probably made a lot of enemies in the foreign lang. dept that day.... lol
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10:30 < RangerZ1> because they lost something like 50% of their enrollment instantly
10:31 < RangerZ1> because most students from good schools in Ohio get 3~4 years of foreign language anyways, and just repeat it in univ for the credit
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10:58 <@CRasH180> Evilpig, Dagmar: My HTC One M8 is dropping data connections no matter which signal I am on, CDMA, LTE, etc…
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11:08 <@Dagmar> Well, if you've _rebooted it_ the thing to do is probably cuss at your service provider
11:08 <@Dagmar> ...unless it's _not_ dropping connections when you're on Wifi
11:08 <@Dagmar> That would be the key thing
11:09 <@Evilpig> I can't use my wifi service with sprint because people can't hear me when I use it
11:10 <@Dagmar> Oh, the wifi calling thing?  Yeah, it's kinda bullshit
11:10 <@Dagmar> They have *yet* to get their shit sorted properly here for the tri-band "Spark" phones either
11:10 <@Dagmar> You're supposed to be able to do voice and data at the same time when the 4G equipment is provisioned correctly.
11:11 <@Dagmar> THe result of the mess they have now means when you get a voice call, data turns off
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11:50 <@CRasH180> Yeah, Wifi calling never worked for me.
11:50 <@CRasH180> Tried on many networks and people could never hear me very well
11:50 <@CRasH180> Sounds good in theory
11:54 <@Dagmar> Yeah I kept trying to enable wifi calling but their server would fall over a few times a day
11:55 <@Dagmar> ...and I could _see_ the disconnections coming back in my traffic logs.
11:56 < RangerZ1> google hangouts IIRC seems to work fine on wifi only
11:57 <@Dagmar> Of course
11:58 < RangerZ1> just putting that out there, but of course... you have to NOT be on Dagmar's comcast
11:58 < RangerZ1> that's a given
11:58 < RangerZ1> hehe
11:58 < RangerZ1> speaking of... how's that .... fiasco... going?
12:07 <@Dagmar> It's still a clusterfuck
12:08 <@Dagmar> Rhett gave me an idea tho
12:08 <@Dagmar> I'm going to call and try to _reduce_ my class of service so I can get a different boot file, or at least _force_ them to acknowledge their failure
12:11 < RangerZ1> hell
12:11 < RangerZ1> if they will even LET you
12:11 < RangerZ1> since that was the lowest the lady said they offered
12:11 <@Mirage> CRasH180: I have problems with my EVO 4G LTE dropping a lot too, usually have to toggle airplane mode to get connected again.  Happened on Cyanogenmod and stil does with Dirty Unicorn
12:12 < RangerZ1> Mirage: which carrier/version of the phone you have?
12:12 < RangerZ1> also how you like CM and/or DU on it?
12:12 < RangerZ1> thats what my mom is using and I'm thinking of moving her to CM
12:13 <@Mirage> RangerZ1: Sprint.  So far as I know the EVO 4G LTE didn't have any subversions like the One and some of the others do
12:14 <@Mirage> DU has given me much less problems overall than CM...mostly because CM hasn't had a "stable" for the "Jewel" in ages.
12:14 < aestetix> it is so fun to watch donald trump rallies
12:14 < aestetix> he's like the american redneck version of hitler
12:15 < RangerZ1> .s/fun/scary for the fate of humanity
12:15 < RangerZ1> exactly
12:15 < RangerZ1> he's a fascist in the definition of the word
12:15 <@Mirage> The ancient as hell stable from CM did work better overall, but there were just too many unpatched vulnerabilities in it IMO
12:17 <@Dagmar> DU?
12:17 <@Mirage> Dirty Unicorns
12:17 <@Mirage> RangerZ1: this is just pitiful.. https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?type=snapshot&device=jewel
12:17 < PigBot> Title: CyanogenMod Downloads (at download.cyanogenmod.org) http://tinyurl.com/hh2frfo
12:17 <@CRasH180> Mirage: I have been wanting to root my phone for a long time now. Might just do this with the new one I get
12:19 <@Mirage> The only "stable" CM has for the "Jewel"
12:19 <@Mirage> cm-10.0.0-jewel.zip released 11/13/12
12:19 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I'm not even joking. He is literally taking from Hitler's playbook
12:19 <@Dagmar> WOw thta's a bit dated
12:20 < RangerZ1> yeah, that is why I never moved to CM when _I_ had the phone
12:20 < RangerZ1> I hadn't looked to see if it was updated
12:20 < RangerZ1> .....guess not....
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12:20 <@Mirage> So far as I'm concerned if they aren't going to fix all the shit or at least post notes on what is/isn't working and what is being worked on then they shouldn't even bother claiming support or wasting time with nightly updates
12:20 < RangerZ1> aestetix: i know, there are some -really- good articles on it
12:21 < RangerZ1> Mirage: if you could link me what you used to install it on your phone, (if its easy for you) that would be great
12:21 < RangerZ1> I'm going to be going up there this weekend and would love to have a plan in place on what to do to fix her phone
12:22 < RangerZ1> virgin mobile seems to be purposely fucking with her phone each month around the billing date
12:22 <@Mirage> on mine i used the HTC unlocker as per their instructions, then had to use DirtyRaccoon (i think it was called) to get S-Off
12:22 < RangerZ1> 4~5th month in a row, where she can't receive phone or texts for about a week
12:23 <@Mirage> er, DirtyRacun
12:23 < RangerZ1> so I'm moving her from stock, and setting up google voice/hangouts/etc _properly_ on her phone for her
12:24 <@Mirage> The screen output from DirtyRacun is almost as funny as the SMTP handshake and command responses from QMail used to be
12:26 <@CRasH180> Doesn't sound that funny
12:26 <@Mirage> http://www.themobimag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/HTC-butterfly-RabiesShot1.jpg
12:28 < Synx_hm> ok i need a method to monitor who house elec usage stat
12:29 < Synx_hm> fucking heatpump has been running 24/7 and i think it was on aux heat all night (FML)
12:29 <@Mirage> There's this cool thing called an Electric Meterout on the side of the house taht already does taht
12:29 < Synx_hm> im afraid to check the meter for total kwh usage and compair it to last month
12:29 < aestetix> RangerZ1: he's so fucking good at this
12:30 < aestetix> Now everyone wants to know who this endorsement is
12:30 < Synx_hm> Mirage: ya i want to monitor it from inside, really like like to track realtime usage as mapped to time etc but yes i know i can walk my ass out there run some math and realize im about to get hit with a $1k elec bill this month
12:31 < RangerZ1> aestetix: the problem is... he's not likely to win in super-tuesday states
12:31 < RangerZ1> then we'll get cruz....
12:31 < RangerZ1> but honestly... I don't know which is worse
12:32 < RangerZ1> trump at least would be a KNOWN joke to the rest of the world
12:32 < RangerZ1> and we could just tell the rest of the world... don't worry... we know he's fucked... but just wait 4 years
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12:37 < Synx_hm> Mirage: fun another 10 days until end of billing cycle and im already up to last months kwh usage yay
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12:39 < Synx_hm> actually just ran the numbers this puts me at about $300 if i keep up 89wh per day, not nearly as bad as i though
12:39 < Synx_hm> thought
12:42 < RangerZ1> Synx_hm: you need to run some concert lighting to 1) provide light 2) provide heat
12:42 < Synx_hm> lol
12:43 < Synx_hm> what i need is a wood stove insert, im surounded by wood i cannot use as my fireplace is a) massive flu drafts more air out than heat convection in, b) defunct and unsafe anyways
12:44 < RangerZ1> you should ask ytNexus about a friend of ours
12:44 < RangerZ1> they had a wood stove in their duplex apt
12:45 < RangerZ1> they had it at ~80+ degrees in the middle of winter in Kent Ohio
12:45 < RangerZ1> to the point they had to wear shorts in the house
12:45 < Synx_hm> haha thats awesome i could really go for that right now
12:45 < Synx_hm> im in sweatpants, house slippers and a jacket working from home
12:45 < Synx_hm> and ive not showered in 2 days because i dont want to take any of it off
12:46 < Synx_hm> thermostat says 72 my dht22 says 68 in the rooms
12:46 < Synx_hm> feels like 50
12:49 <@Mirage> The wife has been building a fire in the fireplace pretty often as of late because the house feels cold, though it's not...that and she's just a pyro
12:50 <@Mirage> Honestly it's probably just an excuse she likes to us to justify getting to set something on fire
13:00 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/BfxvRoE.gifv
13:01 <@Mirage> aestetix: yeah, i'm gonna click that...lol
13:01 < RangerZ1> well THAT sucks
13:01 < RangerZ1> its SFW
13:01 < RangerZ1> I clicked it thinking Mirage sent it
13:01 < RangerZ1> :/
13:02 <@oddball> "well.... shit."
13:02 <@oddball> (yes, it's SFW)
13:02 < RangerZ1> ohh jesus .... https://www.virginmobileusa.com/shop/cell-phones/ this site won't work unless you allow untrusted content
13:02 < PigBot> Title: Virgin Mobile | Compare No Contract Android-Powered and Feature Phones (at www.virginmobileusa.com) http://tinyurl.com/zy5nk4e
13:02 < RangerZ1> b/c they put HTTPS without you know... including the ENTIRE page JS and all
13:03 < RangerZ1> also... NOT an endorsement of their shit anymore
13:03 < RangerZ1> since sprint bought them out fully, their service+plans/etc has gone to shit
13:19 <@Dagmar>  Sprint and Comcast both have hte same design fail in different spots
13:19 <@Dagmar> WIth some of the Xfinity pages the stylesheets are on an HTTP page and it just breaks the layout utterly
13:19 <@Dagmar> I'm not about to re-enable loading of insecure content on an HTTPs page
13:22 < aestetix> wow there is some really fucked up stuff on the internet
13:35 <@Mirage> aestetix: um, duh
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13:43 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I've got this mental image of your wife running around your place burninating things all while you're yelling at her like strongbad.
13:46 <@Mirage> Evilpig: not too far off
13:47 <@Mirage> Evilpig: normally the first to go is all the junk mail, then any random boxes, then old bank statements, paystubs, etc.
13:50 <@Evilpig> You know, you're somewhere in that list and she just hasn't gotten far enough into, yet
13:51 <@Mirage> most likely
13:51 <@Mirage> and probably before the cats
13:51 <@Evilpig> obviously
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13:52 <@Dagmar> I am now asking that my service be downgraded
13:53 <@Dagmar> So... apparently somehow the next tier down is "Blast" at 75Mbps
13:53 < RangerZ1> http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/18/pulled-video-game-that-allows-players-to-fight-taliban-gunmen-who-massacred-130-plus-children-in-pakistan/
13:53 < PigBot> Title: Android Pulls Video Game Simulating Taliban Child Massacre (at www.breitbart.com) http://tinyurl.com/glx5lk2
13:53 < RangerZ1> how could THAT plan have gone wrong at all?
13:53 < RangerZ1> .....
13:53 <@Dagmar> If they manage to actually *do* it, I'll then try upgrading again
13:57 <@Dagmar> Lovely.
13:58 <@Dagmar> Downgrading my class of service would apparently _raise_ my bill another $10/month
13:58 <@Dagmar> What the absolute fuck
13:59 <@Dagmar> How angry do they expect us to be able to be without exploding
13:59 <@Evilpig> it's taking every bit of restraint I have right now to not make my pc at home start playing music while the housekeeper is dusting my desk
14:00 <@Dagmar> I am now talking to yet another agent
14:01 <@Dagmar> I think what i need to do is to just go ahead and put today's recordings on YouTube and then link to it from the Comcast support forum.
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14:02 <@Mirage> They'd probably try to claim ownership of the recordings and submit takedowns
14:03 <@Dagmar> At which point I will present them with the bill for making fraudulent DMCA takedown claims
14:03 <@Dagmar> ...and will _continue_ to document their little stunt
14:03 <@Dagmar> I am totally willing to make them take a major stock price hit
14:04 <@Dagmar> THe customer service survey I keep taking after each call asks me to rate the likelihood that I would refer friends or relatives to Comcast for internet service on a scale from 0 to 10, and I can't help but think I should try to find a way to give it _negative numbers_
14:04 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that would probably have the opposite effect.  headline would read "Comcast customer support worst in country.  Stock price skyrockets"
14:05 <@Dagmar> Then I'll have to settle for just inflicting suffering on the individual employees
14:05 <@Dagmar> All caring I had within me is now used up
14:05 <@Evilpig> i'm onboard with that plan
14:05 <@Evilpig> the world won't miss another script monkey
14:05 <@Dagmar> The way I see it is that I have a lot of free time to keep calling them about this, an unlimited calling plan, and I am damn well going to be calling them pretty much non-stop until this works
14:41 <@Dagmar> loool
14:41 <@Dagmar> https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=161244
14:41 < PigBot> Title: Issue 161244 - android - AlarmManager setRepeating() Minimum Interval of 60 Seconds on Android 5.1 - Android Open Source Project - Issue Tracker - Google Project Hosting (at code.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/n9w4jrs
14:41 <@Dagmar> I just got a slew of notifications about other people who are _a bit_ frustrated with the lack of updates to the docs.  Heh
14:54 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: PM
15:00 <@Mirage> updated docs?!?!   that's crazy.   i normally feel lucky to old and/or wildly inaccurate ones.
15:02 <@Mirage> Case in point. CA: the maker of several buggy, poorly documented, and somewhat expensive products (Spectrum/Nimsoft)
15:03 < RangerZ1> Mirage: thats nothing, just wait for you to be told online... that you are -wrong- about java memory leak prevention when dealing with concurrency.... after me, my advisor spent days digging this to ground, and he even called... ohh... Doug Lea (the guy who wrote java's concurrency library) to get his input....
15:05 < RangerZ1> this happened several times... I made a comment on a youtube video explaining the issue... on a coursera course that I happened to so sign up for... but not associated with... and both of them I got told "you're just wrong"
15:05 < RangerZ1> I just sat there and had to chuckle
15:06 < RangerZ1> then I gave the topic as a convoluted question to Elonka for her to put on her java interview question sheet.... apparently it made people who read it cry... hehehe
15:06 < RangerZ1> "I'm sorry... concurrency isn't easy... you just have to learn the nuance there...."
15:19 < RangerZ1> and it isn't -that- fucking hard... you just can't use inner anonymous classes or inner classes without use of WeakReference<>
15:19 < RangerZ1> and making them static
15:29 < RangerZ1> just fucking wait for android to support java8... that shit is going to make people _pissed_ because... basically... you can't use lambdas... lol
15:30 < RangerZ1> unless you want to risk memory leaks.... hehehe
15:31 < RangerZ1> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/us/politics/donald-trump-sarah-palin.html
15:31 < PigBot> "Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 302: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.\nThe last 30x error message was:\nFound. http://tinyurl.com/zooa75t"
15:35 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: Haven't clicked yet. Did he get her pregnant?
15:35 < _NSAKEY> Nevermind. This isn't as entertaining.
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15:54 < RangerZ1> nope, but it could impact the election
15:55 < RangerZ1> remember... as VP she got what....44% of the vote?
16:00 <@Mirage> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/18/whats-in-a-tool-a-case-for-made-in-usa/
16:00 < PigBot> Title: What’s in a tool? A case for Made in USA. | Hackaday (at hackaday.com) http://tinyurl.com/jp5x27r
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16:12 < aestetix> well
16:12 < aestetix> now we know just how far the US has fallen
16:12 < aestetix> that Sarah Palin could influence someone's standing in a positive way
16:17 <@Mirage> http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/moody-bitch-seeks-nice-guy-for-lovehate-relationship/
16:17 < PigBot> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: MOODY BITCH SEEKS NICE GUY FOR LOVE-HATE RELATIONSHIP (at www.tshirthell.com) http://tinyurl.com/hks2wku
16:18 <@Dagmar> I dunno, I like this one http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/tits-html/?trck_&trck_referring_productid=57
16:18 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: timed out. http://tinyurl.com/hm8ve8h
16:18 <@Mirage> heh
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16:19 <@Dagmar> I gotta get off that site before I wind up ordering more t-shirts
16:19 <@Dagmar> THis is a shirt I would absolutely wear http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/i-support-a-climates-right-to-choose/
16:19 < PigBot> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: I SUPPORT A CLIMATE'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE (at www.tshirthell.com) http://tinyurl.com/nzgomeg
16:21 <@Mirage> heh, this one could probably get you killed at the wrong SciFi convention: http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/star-trek/
16:21 < PigBot> Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: STAR TREK (at www.tshirthell.com) http://tinyurl.com/zl3qmqy
16:21 < aestetix> oh wow
16:21 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/TZ9B7x8.jpg
16:21 < aestetix> the best example of gender inequality I have seen
16:22 <@Mirage> yeah, not clicking it
16:22 <@Dagmar> TL;DR: "Women - No Shirt, FREE BEER!"
16:22 <@Dagmar> I've actually seen that sign in bars around here
16:31 <@Dagmar> OKay.  ONE more call to Comcast today
16:32 < _NSAKEY> http://wkrn.com/2016/01/18/woman-arrested-in-la-vergne-after-3-children-found-inside-trunk/
16:32 < PigBot> Title: Nashville elementary school employee arrested after 3 children found inside trunk | WKRN News 2 (at wkrn.com) http://tinyurl.com/hq3ns4g
16:32 <@Dagmar> o.O
16:32 <@Dagmar> That's just _greed_ right there
16:43 <@Dagmar> *sigh*
16:43 <@Dagmar> This lady just ignored me asking for an escalation and is currently doing god knows what probably poking at the system ineffectively
16:44 <@Evilpig> if you don't have any of the new x-com games...  this is the time to get them.  https://www.humblebundle.com/
16:44 < PigBot> Title: Humble Firaxis Bundle (pay what you want and help charity) (at www.humblebundle.com) http://tinyurl.com/856hdv2
16:44 <@Evilpig> civ v, starships, and beyond earth are a nice bonus too
16:45 <@Dagmar> THat's a PILE of games
16:46 <@Evilpig> that's a very nice bundle
16:48 <@Dagmar> ...and again someone tries to tell me "This is a HIIIIGH speed program that you have sir, and the modem sir, it doesn not support the speed you are requesting"
16:49 <@Dagmar> "No, it actually goes quite a bit faster than that class of service and this is again why I requested an escalation at the beginning of the call.  It needs for the boot file to be changed, and no one in first-tier support has the access necessary to change it"
16:49 <@Dagmar> ...and now she's off looking at something else.
16:49 <@Dagmar> Oh hell
16:49 <@Dagmar> LOL
16:49 <@Dagmar> CVE-2016-1722
16:49 <@Dagmar> Root an Apple phone via _syslog_
16:51 < _NSAKEY> Hahahahahahahahaha.
16:54 <@Dagmar> Wound up just hanging up on that girl becuase she kept ignoring me saying I needed the call escalated
16:55 <@Dagmar> More bullshit about waiting for the technician
17:02 < aestetix> .....
17:02 < aestetix> via SYSLOG?
17:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah
17:02 <@Dagmar> THat's kind of hilarious
17:02 < aestetix> how fucking shitty can they be
17:04 <@Dagmar> Well... not quite as bad as Comcast
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17:11 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I don't think it's possible to be as shitty as comcast.
17:12 < _NSAKEY> At what point do you just change the modem config yourself?
17:12 < _NSAKEY> At what point do you just change the modem config yourself?
17:12 < _NSAKEY> Oops, wrong window.
17:12 < _NSAKEY> Meant to hit up+enter in a window with mplayer.
17:28 < aestetix> man
17:28 < aestetix> even when I installed the gnu flash player, it still makes firefox suck
17:45 < _NSAKEY> Why are you installing flash?
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18:25 <@Dagmar> Holy fuckin' shit
18:25 <@Dagmar> After _downgrading_ my service to "Extreme Blast 105" I FINALLY get a valid config from the headend
18:25 <@Dagmar> http://www.speedtest.net/result/5011922497.png
18:34 <@Evilpig> that's what you get for using some fake level of service
18:52 <@Dagmar> Someone posted a reply to my thread on the Comcast forum saying he tried to push a new config to it this morning and the modem rejected it because it only supported eight channels
18:53 <@Dagmar> Problem #1: Nothing in my cablemodem logs about that at all.  He may have pushed a config that was rejected to _someone's_ modem, but it wasn't mine
18:53 <@Dagmar> Problem #2: 8 channels definitely supports 250Mbps transfer for fuck's sake
18:53 <@Dagmar> I referenced the Wikipedia page on that oen
18:55 <@Dagmar> One of the hobbyist "experts" kind of jumped on him about that post, too, since they're not allowed to even allude to being Comcast employees without using an official "Red named" account
18:56 <@Dagmar> ...and I think I won that guy over a day or two ago after illuminating him about how one can forcibly get a different DHCP lease
18:56 <@Dagmar> Showed him the part of the RFC and what needs to be done, and by now he's probably tested it and gone "Holy shit that does work"
18:57 <@Dagmar> If you DECLINE a DHCP lease offering, by the protocol, the server _must_ mark that IP address as bad/occupied and move onto another lease offer
18:57 <@Dagmar> I did it once about eight years ago
18:58 <@Dagmar> It's a damn pain in the ass
18:58 <@Dagmar> Only way I can think of to do it with Windows is to trick Windows
18:59 <@Dagmar> i.e., connect up a hub/switch, with another device using that IP statically, and let the Windows box query for the lease, do it's own check, see the thing has a collision, and it'll send back a decline message
18:59 <@Evilpig> damnit I really want to see tool saturday but these asshole scalpers
18:59 <@Evilpig> everytime I see one of these $45 tickets listed for $200+ I want to punch someone
18:59 <@Dagmar> Eventually the venues are going to get sick of seeing a bunch of tickets going unused
19:00 <@Evilpig> they aren't unused
19:00 <@Evilpig> they're sold to their perspective
19:00 <@Dagmar> They are if people aren't showing up
19:01 <@Evilpig> why would they care about an empty seat?  the seat was paid for wether or not the asshole shows up
19:02 <@Evilpig> as far as the artists are concerned they've already been told the venue is sold out so their portion of the door is set
19:03 <@Dagmar> because of the fans cussing at them about the scalpers
19:14 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: If you want to go around lynching scalpers, count me in. Those people all need to be given to the bottom of the nearest river.
19:50 <@Evilpig> if I go on a lynching spree i'm starting with the cyber squatters, then it's a tie with the scalpers and spam phone calls
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20:06 <@Evilpig> not sure what to make of plex
20:07 <@Evilpig> give it more cpu and it just uses it
20:07 <@Evilpig>  20:07:11 up 1 day,  2:53,  2 users,  load average: 15.43, 17.34, 17.35
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20:17 <@Dagmar> Maybe give it fewer transcoding jobs to do
20:17 <@Evilpig> it spawns them on its own
20:17 <@Evilpig> it's almost like it's breaking the jobs up into more parts to get them done faster
20:18 <@Dagmar> THat may be so if it's able to parallelize the transcoding
20:18 <@Evilpig> the way that htop looks, that seems to be the case
20:18 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbpb39u9bxdrohf/Screenshot%202016-01-19%2020.18.27.png?dl=0
20:18 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2016-01-19 20.18.27.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/juyxw9q
20:18 <@Dagmar> Well, that's cute.  Wibin is claiming that _I_ claimed I've hacked the Pentagon
20:19 <@Dagmar> Wibin is one of the smurfs who can't show up to public Ingress meetups because I'll melt his face off
20:19 <@Evilpig> I recall that name
20:19 <@Dagmar> Wibin TNSheep
20:19 <@Dagmar> Lying shitbag extraordinare
20:19 <@Dagmar> Previously he was claiming that I was scraping COMMs for guardian hunting information for Nadia
20:20 <@Dagmar> I've always maintained that the Guardian badge is fuckin' stupid and I'm not going to waste any time on it
20:20 <@Dagmar> His lying is what resulted in a bunch of smurfs trying to mock me about "integrity"
20:20 <@Dagmar> My statements about "You realize of course, that those are _fighting words_" shut some fuckers up
20:21 <@Dagmar> Was I ready to knock some bitches the fuck out? Hell yea
20:21 <@Dagmar> Bring proof or bring bandages, mothafuckas
20:34 <@Evilpig>  20:34:56 up 1 day,  3:21,  2 users,  load average: 23.56, 12.73, 11.38
20:35 <@Evilpig> just so weird how variable it is
20:44 <@Mirage> Finally watched Spectre.  It got me wondering...are there any Bond films where the car survived?
20:44 <@Dagmar> #CarLivesMatter
20:47 <@Evilpig> hehe
20:48 <@Mirage> http://www.techtimes.com/articles/91332/20151005/james-bond-blew-up-34-million-worth-of-cars-in-spectre.htm
20:48 < PigBot> Title: James Bond Blew Up $34 Million Worth Of Cars In Spectre : LIFE : Tech Times (at www.techtimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/q8nlojg
20:49 <@Evilpig> still the same 6 people watching shit...
20:49 <@Evilpig>  20:49:33 up 1 day,  3:35,  2 users,  load average: 3.83, 10.36, 12.79
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20:51 <@Dagmar> SNOWSIGN
20:52 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/events/1017233395005587/
20:52 < PigBot> Title: Disturbed / Rob Zombie with Pop Evil (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/z2mzvj7
20:53 <@Mirage> Snow in Nashville?? Shit, better go buy bread, eggs, and milk quick!
20:53 <@Evilpig> snow already?  i'm gonna run outside and drive my truck into the ditch now
20:53 <@Dagmar> I'd _like_ to but my car is in the shop
20:54 <@Dagmar> I'm about to order a pizza just so I will be a meal more ahead of starvation if they can't get my car fixed tomorrow
20:54 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: want me to drive by and throw some insta-make frenchtoast mix... eggs, milk and bread out of the window for you?
20:54 <@Dagmar> pppft
20:54 <@Evilpig> Mirage: from jason "Oh and tell Troy that in The MAn with the golden gun, there was an AMC Hornet that wasn't destroyed "
20:54 <@Dagmar> THer'es a slim chance Lindsey will come by and help me make a Publix run when they're done with their fracker farming
20:55 <@Mirage> Evilpig: if bond didn't drive it, it doesn't count
20:55 <@Mirage> Evilpig: which Jason?
20:55 <@Evilpig> operator services
20:55 <@Evilpig> lastchild
20:55 <@Mirage> Evilpig: figured.  be a damn shame if he just joined he channel himself
20:56 <@Evilpig> he's busy.  they're short staffed tonight, go figure
20:56 <@Mirage> Anne still there or did she finally retire?   I know she didn't die..too mean for that
20:56 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: how much are tickets?
20:57 <@Evilpig> trying to find out
20:57 < RangerZ1> nevermind 30~70$
20:57 < RangerZ1> http://concerts.livenation.com/event/1B00502D97171EB3?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=187101-Facebook&REFERRAL_ID=tmfeedbuyat187101&wt.mc_id=aff_BUYAT_187101&camefrom=CFC_BUYAT_187101&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=187101-Facebook
20:57 < PigBot> Title: Tickets | Disturbed / Rob Zombie with Pop Evil - Nashville TN at Live Nation Concerts (at concerts.livenation.com) http://tinyurl.com/htognx8
20:57 < RangerZ1> up at the top there is 'price range'
20:58 < RangerZ1> obviously lawn is 30$
20:58 <@Evilpig> Mirage: "
20:58 <@Evilpig> Still here, doesn't do shit, but still here"
20:58 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: i'm good with a GA ticket since that's the pit
20:58 <@Mirage> Evilpig: lol
21:04 < RangerZ1> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sarah-palin-s-son-track-arrested-domestic-violence-charges-eve-n499976
21:04 < PigBot> Title: Sarah Palins Son Track Arrested on Domestic Violence Charges on Eve of Trump Endorsement - NBC News (at www.nbcnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/joz3oaj
21:04 < RangerZ1> with AR-15, as he was drunk
21:04 < RangerZ1> threatening his g/f
21:04 <@Dagmar> Wow they're _so_ classy
21:21 < RangerZ1> oh geeeeeezzzzeeeeee us....
21:22 < RangerZ1> I turned on the tv and heard palin rambling
21:22 < RangerZ1> the worst part is was I tried to 'understand' what she was saying
21:31 < RangerZ1> anyone have a good recommendation for a heating blanket/heating mattress cover
21:31 <@Dagmar> Buying something abotu six months ago
21:31 <@Dagmar> If you can find one in a store now, it's likely to cost you >$80
21:32 < RangerZ1> actually I'm good, I have a small one that is like 1.5ftx3ft
21:32 <@Dagmar> Those things sell _the fuck_ out when it's this cold
21:32 < RangerZ1> which is actually good enough to heat up my legs /under the blanket
21:32 < RangerZ1> I just figured I'd ask now and buy at some point in the future
21:37 <@Dagmar> THey're literally half the price when you buy them in the summer
21:37 <@Dagmar> If you're going to buy now you might as well just use Amazone
21:37 <@Dagmar> er Amazon
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21:40 < LastChild> Mirage: be careful what you ask for
21:40 <@Dagmar> Oh holy shit
21:40 <@Dagmar> http://www.bewild.com/depodaalclwi.html
21:40 < PigBot> Title: Pole Dancer Stripper Alarm Clock With Flashing Lights & Music" + name + " Zoom (at www.bewild.com) http://tinyurl.com/zvnartb
21:40 <@Dagmar> I can't believe they're out of stock
21:42 <@Evilpig> on the off chance anyone wants to go see zombie...
21:42 <@Evilpig> https://robzombie.pmstores.co/
21:42 < PigBot> Title: Rob Zombie (at robzombie.pmstores.co) http://tinyurl.com/goca64d
21:42 <@Evilpig> here's the presale info
21:42 <@Evilpig> $42 for general admission and you get a digital download of his new cd
21:42 < LastChild> Heh @ 42
21:47 <@Dagmar> What the
21:48 <@Dagmar> So... I ordered a dinner box from Pizza Hut, and they called me up to tell me... they're out of the dinner box dough
21:48 <@Dagmar> Meaning they're _out of rectangular dough_
21:48 <@Dagmar> Rectangular dough
21:49 < LastChild> LOL no concept of a knife eh?
21:49 <@Mirage> LastChild: zomg..it lives
21:49 <@Dagmar> I had to make her repeat it a few times
21:49  * LastChild bows
21:49 <@Dagmar> "You out of what now?"
21:50 <@Dagmar> "...and this is some kind of 'special' dough?"
21:50 <@Dagmar> Apparently the crew from the night before didn't prep enough dough or something
21:52 <@Mirage> Dagmar: At least it wasn't a case that they had plenty of the dough, but only round pizza pans
21:54 < LastChild> If it's a deep dish kinda pizza, that dough has to proof for a period, so that could be part of it too
21:57 <@Dagmar> <-- this is me, not caring
21:57 <@Dagmar> It's also going to take about an hour to deliver.  :/
22:19 < RangerZ1> LastChild: even so... it shouldn't need more than a few hours
22:19 < RangerZ1> you can just make more in the morning as soon as you realize you are low
22:27 < RangerZ1> god... Michigan's Governor has such a fucking bastard
22:27 < RangerZ1> did his 'state of the state' today
22:27 < RangerZ1> I'll prosecute whoever is at fault
22:27 < RangerZ1> ....umm... you are....
22:29 < RangerZ1> http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/01/first_seven_michigan_guard_sol.html 7.... seven
22:29 < PigBot> Title: First seven Michigan National Guard soldiers on the ground in Flint | MLive.com (at www.mlive.com) http://tinyurl.com/jl94j58
22:29 < RangerZ1> you have more people in an ingress farming run
22:35 <@Dagmar> This is true.
22:35 <@Dagmar> Well, except for tonight
22:36 <@Dagmar> They fell a bit short of seven, and CERTAIN people couldn't control themselves so the suprise factor evaporated early
22:41 < RangerZ1> haha.... just realized something
22:41 < RangerZ1> hope your car is fixed by the time you can driver Merlin back home
22:42 < RangerZ1> b/c that would suck you having to keep him for an extra week or two.... all because of your car
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