--- Log opened Sun Jan 10 00:00:05 2016
00:08 < RangerZ1> https://charliehorse55.wordpress.com/2016/01/09/how-nvidia-breaks-chrome-incognito/ nice
00:28 <@Evilpig> "If there are no jackpot winners tonight, the jackpot will rise to $1.3 billion for Wednesday's drawing, officials said."
00:40 < RangerZ1> it go generated IIRC
00:40 < RangerZ1> it got*
00:41 <@Evilpig> it didn't hit on my tickets
00:42 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/TexasLottery/status/686070446316371968
00:44 < RangerZ1> ahh ok
00:45 <@Evilpig> a billion dollar jackpot.  that's insane
00:45 < RangerZ1> yeah
00:45 <@Mirage> Evilpig: how are you getting TX lottery tickets?
00:46 < RangerZ1> even mitt romney is "only" worth 250 milliion
00:47 <@Mirage> They were saying on the news last night that when the jackpot reached 1 billion that if someone were to take the lump payout that after taxes, etc they would only get a little over 300 million
00:48 <@Evilpig> Mirage: my powerball ticket came through TN. smartass
00:49 <@Mirage> Evilpig: guess I missed the bit where you specified TN, then linked something about TX
00:50 <@Evilpig> powerball is multistate, I linked the tx lottery twitter feed that said there wasn't a winner
00:51 <@Evilpig> it's late and you're fucking with me
00:51 <@Mirage> ah, didn't realize.  Always just assumed it was individual states
00:54 < RangerZ1> Mirage: did you agree to not fuck with Evilpig after a certain point? is it like gremlins? are you not suppose to feed him after midnight?
00:54 < RangerZ1> and is that midnight UTC or local time?
00:54 <@Mirage> RangerZ1: Since I wasn't fucking with him, I'm assuming he's just being paranoid
00:55 < RangerZ1> talk of his ex will do that to him (and most of us too)
00:55 <@Evilpig> i'm back in nashville paranoid is the local way
00:56 <@Evilpig> i'm crashing.  later
00:56 < RangerZ1> and honestly... anyone who takes the lump payout on 1.3 b is fucking mental
00:57 < RangerZ1> each year's payout for 30 years would still be a 'large fortune'
00:58 <@Mirage> w00t, i got an "A".. https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=thehippo.net&hideResults=on
00:58 < PigBot> Title: SSL Server Test: thehipponet (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs) (at www.ssllabs.com) http://tinyurl.com/jnf354w
01:00 <@Mirage> ha!  VU gets a "B"
01:00 <@Mirage> fail..
01:03 <@Mirage> Anyone tried one of these with mythtv or anything similar?  Broadcom Corporation BCM70015 Video Decoder [Crystal HD]
01:04 <@Mirage> Realised today (or should I say remembered) that my mythtv box has that mini-pci crd installed, so I've been trying to get it to work.
01:05 <@Mirage> Supposedly it should be working, but I don't see any difference in decoding using it vs just the GPU/CPU
01:36 < RangerZ1> "myth tv" and "supposedly it should be working"
01:37 < RangerZ1> huh... thats odd... I've never seen those phrases used together, mythTV is so plug and play, that everything just works
01:37 < RangerZ1> just ask anyone who works on the mythtv project
01:42 <@Mirage> I created a new profile and set it as the decoder once i installed drivers and ensured they were being loaded at boot, but i see no noticable difference in processing during playback.  I'd think that if it were offloading decoding that i'd see a drop in load
01:58 < RangerZ1> http://www.digitaltrends.com/ces/amds-socket-chaos-to-end-with-zen-architecture-and-am4-socket/
01:58 < PigBot> Title: All AMD Zen Processors To Use Single Socket Called AM4 | Digital Trends (at www.digitaltrends.com) http://tinyurl.com/jpptpqg
01:58 < RangerZ1> thats nice to see, a single socket for APUs and CPUs
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02:24 < RangerZ1> jesus... I didn't realize this... but apparently my clothes washer only uses 310 watts (running off 120v)
02:28 < RangerZ1> I honestly figured it was much higher since it used 120 vs 240 and was portable
02:55 < RangerZ1> http://www.polygon.com/2015/12/29/10685900/phantasy-star-online-2-anime-coming-to-north-america
02:55 < RangerZ1> fucking hell
02:56 < RangerZ1> we get the fucking anime... but not the game...
02:56 < RangerZ1> I've played the community translated version of it, and its a good game...
03:10 <@Dagmar> Snooooow!
03:11 < RangerZ1> milk -- eggs-- bread --
03:17 < RangerZ1> until it accumulates to over a 1/4" I don't count this as even "flurries"
03:20 <@Dagmar> The ground is way too warm for it to accumulate
03:21 < RangerZ1> exactly
03:26 < cyberanger> I'm thinking of driving into the higher elevations to see if it'll stick there
03:26 < cyberanger> but on the other hand, more likely to be ice this car cannot handle (I'd never drive with tires this bald up north)
03:43 < RangerZ1> cyberanger: which is why I just got 4 new tires on the car
03:44 < RangerZ1> possibly driving the "fuck you" roads north of Nashville to cinci and on
03:44 < RangerZ1> they really aren't that bad at all.... except in/near louisville
03:44 < RangerZ1> but people are stupid :/
03:45 < cyberanger> RangerZ1: it's why I hate being broke (the tires aren't completely bald yet) and yeah, I know what you mean. Chattanooga, TN to Buffalo, NY is a frequent-ish trip for me
03:45 < RangerZ1> ohh
03:45 < cyberanger> And yeah, Louisville - Cinci area, silly drivers and where it commonly switches from snow to ice to rain
03:46 < RangerZ1> much more 'in' the Appalachians
03:46 < RangerZ1> over near you
03:46 < cyberanger> Yeah, and I tend to favour the WV route over the Ohio route too (adds to the troubles)
03:47 < cyberanger> But ironically, I never seem to the same route back, if I start with WV, I come back via OH (or vice versa)
03:49 < cyberanger> Troube of being a northern kid in the south...
03:53 < RangerZ1> you mean other than being able to pronounce things?
04:03 < cyberanger> I mean loving snowboarding and hockey
04:03 < cyberanger> snow in general too, and the heat here kills me
04:05 < cyberanger> but yeah, saying Maryville correctly comes up often too, for example
04:16 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: I was watching a new anime, and they showed a bulb just like the one from your lamp
04:17 < RangerZ1> thats where I remember seeing it, its very common in japan
04:17 < RangerZ1> aka... good fucking luck here, lol
04:39 < aestetix> RangerZ1: are there animes worth watching?
04:40 < RangerZ1> yeah
04:41 < aestetix> that you can enjoy if you're not 15
04:41 < aestetix> ?
04:45 < RangerZ1> last couple of seasons have been a little 'meh'... in that they are kinda repetitive on themes, etc. but in general, there are definitely good series/movies
04:45 < RangerZ1> rogert ebert listed some of his favorite movies as animes
04:46 < RangerZ1> Perfect Blue (from 97)
04:46 < RangerZ1> said it rivaled hitchcock
04:47 < RangerZ1> Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky, Spriggan, Princess Mononoke
04:51 < RangerZ1> those are just anime movies, and there are plenty of series. such as Lupin III (the 3rd), Attack on Titan, Code Gease, Samurai Champloo, Gurren Lagann
04:51 < RangerZ1> Psycho-Pass
04:51 < RangerZ1> a lot of anime try to break expectations
04:52 < RangerZ1> like Gurren Lagann, you'll start watching it thinking it is a kid's show, and then by the middle there are events that are more emotional/etc than most oscar winning movies
04:53 < RangerZ1> fuck... Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a perfect example of that... it starts off looking like a cuties anime girl series... and then becomes one of the darkest most disturbed series I've seen... and at you are like 'wait... wtf... that didn't just happen...'
04:56 < RangerZ1> http://myanimelist.net/anime/9756/Mahou_Shoujo_Madoka%E2%98%85Magica Rating 17+ (violence & profanity)
04:56 < RangerZ1> you can even watch it legally online http://www.crunchyroll.com/puella-magi-madoka-magica
04:56 < PigBot> Title: Crunchyroll - Puella Magi Madoka Magica Full episodes streaming online for freeCrunchyrollOpen MenuClose MenuLogin (at www.crunchyroll.com) http://tinyurl.com/7ugqh6m
04:58 < RangerZ1> and since you know a lot of druggies http://myanimelist.net/anime/1210/NHK_ni_Youkoso!
07:43 < aestetix> penis
07:45 < aestetix> fuck I love piratebay
07:45 < aestetix> they have movies nobody else does
09:29 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You think that because you clearly never had access to Demonoid.
09:30 < aestetix> I did a long time ago.
09:30 < aestetix> lol
09:30 < aestetix> I tend to like old and obscure movies though
09:33 < _NSAKEY> I always had better luck with Demonoid than TPB.
09:34 < _NSAKEY> There was also a tracker that specialized in old Hong Kong films that was my go-to for subbed Jackie Chan from the 80s.
10:36 <@Evilpig> lol  https://torrentfreak.com/pirates-fail-to-prevent-38-billion-box-office-record-160109/
10:36 < PigBot> Title: Pirates Fail to Prevent $38 Billion Box Office Record - TorrentFreak (at torrentfreak.com) http://tinyurl.com/z44b24q
10:36 <@Evilpig> "Recent numbers show that the movie industry just broke the magic $11 billion barrier, generating more revenue than ever before at the North American box office. The revenue for 2015 totals $11.3 billion, which is roughly a 9% change compared to last year. "
10:37 <@Evilpig> this one is kinda damning if it's true  "Another sign that business is going well, at least for some, is the increase in the number of tickets that were sold. In 2015 theaters increased their ticket sales by more than 5% in North America. "
10:37 < aestetix> how many were star wars :p
10:37 <@Evilpig> piracy is at an all time high and ticket sales went up.
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13:09 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: btw if you're interested in old movies
13:10 < aestetix> "house of the rothschilds" from 1934
15:22 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkGbmExcMJY
15:22 < PigBot> Title: Cop Appears to Execute Handcuffed Man on Video (Graphic) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/h9rg4ws
15:22 < RangerZ1> jesus...
15:27 < RangerZ1> Sometimes I thank god that even though I'm a broke ass grad student... I at least look like someone who the cops won't just execute :/
15:49 <@oddball> Not saying that's not what happened, but I'm impressed by the sound baffling capabilities of that glass window.
15:55 < RangerZ1> could easily just be crap mic too
15:55 < RangerZ1> which is what I'm guessing
15:55 < RangerZ1> b/c of that video quality it probably has a cheap mic that has some audio processing on it to 'reduce wind noise'
15:57 < RangerZ1> b/c I had the same thought as you at first
15:58 < RangerZ1> I didn't even 'hear' the 2 sounds at first
15:58 < RangerZ1> had to rewatch that part to catch it, but then thinking about it, it is likely due to the crap phone, etc.
15:59 < RangerZ1> and funny enough, what made me think about that was your friend's story about the smart watch's mic being crap when he is shooting, lol
15:59 < RangerZ1> (crap = turning on and being shattered by listening when a gunshot went off)
16:01 <@oddball> Yeah, but you can hear ambient noise near the phone fine, and you can hear the sirens.
16:01 <@oddball> And that's after the 2 "shots."
16:02 <@oddball> So, the mic was working.
16:03 < RangerZ1> ohh no, i might not have been clear, I meant just 'crap mic' not that it was blown
16:03 < RangerZ1> I think it might have more to do with 'noise reduction'
16:03 < RangerZ1> audio DSP before it gets 'recorded'
16:04 < RangerZ1> basically EQ compression on the fly
16:04 <@oddball> ahhh
16:04 < RangerZ1> which would result in a 'wtf, that doesn't sound right' sound
16:04  * oddball watches again
16:05 <@oddball> The two sounds definitely sound like gun shots... just shots off in the distance, not "in my neighbor's front yard."
16:07 < RangerZ1> yeah, I don't know how to describe it 'correctly' but you hear the lows and seem to be able to hear the 'shape' of the sound correctly, but no highs and not loud
16:07 < RangerZ1> which makes me think audio compression by the phone
16:07 < RangerZ1> which would be quite easy to test, just re-create the conditions and see if it makes a recording like that
16:08 < RangerZ1> so easily enough to disqualify/qualify whether or not the video was 'doctored' at all
16:08 < RangerZ1> but that is if _anyone cares_ to do it :/
16:08 < RangerZ1> okay
16:08 < RangerZ1> wtf... is youtube player fucked for anyone else?
16:09 <@oddball> I'd also be interested to know if traffic typically responds that damn normal to gun shots going off right next to them.
16:09 <@oddball> nope
16:10 < RangerZ1> hmm
16:10 < RangerZ1> I think win10 is fine and dandy, but sometimes I really wonder about the drivers/etc I'm running
16:11 < RangerZ1> my touchpad loses the ability to 2 finger scroll randomly :/
16:11 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: Do you like the telemetry features too?
16:11 < RangerZ1> meaning?
16:12 < RangerZ1> continuing to scroll the direction I was pointing after I let go based on 'inertia' ?
16:13 < _NSAKEY> Meaning, do you think that the telemetry spyware is going to help you with your current problems in the future?
16:13 < RangerZ1> huh?
16:13 < _NSAKEY> One of the stated reasons for that garbage is to help catch and fix problems.
16:13 < RangerZ1> ohh you mean Win 10's recording of mouse/input events?
16:14 < RangerZ1> i turned that shit off
16:14 < _NSAKEY> Your touchpad behaving stupidly would, I think, fall in that category.
16:14 < RangerZ1> no, its b/c my laptop is from 2011
16:14 < _NSAKEY> Oh, so no premium value-add for you.
16:14 < RangerZ1> and only has 8.1 drivers
16:15 < RangerZ1> but its still plenty powerful enough for me to even do video production on, let alone daily work
16:15 < _NSAKEY> I'm going to guess that you have to use Windows, due to specific software.
16:15 < RangerZ1> the value curve of this laptop at 170$ was better than anything possible with 'new' hardware
16:15 < _NSAKEY> Ah, now that makes sense.
16:16 < RangerZ1> adobe premiere, to be precise
16:16 < RangerZ1> also xsplit for video recording (it is -objectively- better than OBS right now) :/
16:17 < RangerZ1> 60$/yr... but *shrugs*
16:17 < RangerZ1> got premiere for free for a year... so 'ehh'
16:17 < RangerZ1> and bought xsplit from a humble bundle offer at a huge discount for a long while
16:32 < _NSAKEY> Wait, xsplit... Wasn't that hacked some time in the last few months?
16:33 < _NSAKEY> I seem to recall cracking passwords from a database named xsplit or something similar pretty recently.
16:34 < _NSAKEY> https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites
16:34 < PigBot> Title: Have I been pwned? Pwned websites (at haveibeenpwned.com) http://tinyurl.com/q8djgjc
16:34 < _NSAKEY> XSplit is listed there.
16:34 < _NSAKEY> [nsakey@abigisp ~] $ wc -l xsplit*
16:34 < _NSAKEY>   1842452 xsplit_cracked.txt
16:34 < _NSAKEY>     77349 xsplit_hashes.txt
16:35 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> ... And they used sha1... What losers.
16:36 < _NSAKEY> There really needs to be more crypto shaming. These services either need to use bcrypt or close their doors.
16:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: If you want to see if your password was cracked, you can download the "found" list off hashes.org and search for it.
16:38 < _NSAKEY> http://hashes.org/download.php?type=leak&id=3186&list=found
16:38 < PigBot> _NSAKEY: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
16:38 < _NSAKEY> It's just a compressed text file of the found passes. No other identifying info.
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16:47 < RangerZ1> _NSAKEY: I use password generator for that simple reason, with notification that passwords are 'old'
16:49 < RangerZ1> and nope, my PW isn't in that list
16:55 < _NSAKEY> At least you know you're better than 96% or so of the users on that site.
16:56 < RangerZ1> I _know_ I can't remember a couple dozen passwords, let alone 100s, and that I'd fall back to just using the same 'crap' passwords on sites I didn't care about.... if I didn't use a manager+random PWs
16:56 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, and that's totally sensible.
16:56 < _NSAKEY> Randomly generating passes and storing them in some encrypted manner is fine.
16:57 < _NSAKEY> If that site had used bcrypt, the more serious members of the cracking community wouldn't have even bothered.
16:57 < RangerZ1> I'm actually curious when someone is just going to go move to SSH key-only as login
16:57 < _NSAKEY> Or something like a yubikey.
16:58 < RangerZ1> but for that, we need better browser tie-in support
16:58 < RangerZ1> a plugin to manage your keys for you, etc.
16:58 < _NSAKEY> Google allows those as a 2 factor auth method now. The ones that do that but not PGP key storage only cost like $17 on Amazon.
16:59 < _NSAKEY> The yubikeys that have storage are basically OpenPGP smartcards as USB devices.
17:00 < _NSAKEY> One night when I was more tired than I was last night while we were talking, I thought about how interesting it might be if a driver's license came with that sort of functionality baked in.
17:00 < _NSAKEY> If everyone got on board with supporting it, we could move to a situation where data gets encrypted before it goes into a database, using the DL-as-smartcard, and if it gets hacked... Oh well, the hackers would need all the keys.
17:01 < _NSAKEY> Of course, lost/stolen DLs in that situation would become a huge, gaping liability for that entire plan, so I think it's unworkable.
17:01 < _NSAKEY> Key escrow could paper over that, but then that just creates a juicy target.
17:02 < RangerZ1> you need TPM type module, where there is physically different HW to store keys
17:02 < _NSAKEY> You can't extract keys from a yubikey, or openpgp smartcard.
17:02 < _NSAKEY> You can overwrite keys, but not extract them from the device.
17:03 < RangerZ1> and honestly, you could make a TPM module that stores a key you generate externally, then uses e-fuse tech to write the key once, then 'burn it into' the card
17:03 < RangerZ1> ahh, okay, same idea, just slightly different impl.
17:04 < _NSAKEY> I'm sure someone COULD read the keys out, but not without physically destroying stuff.
17:04 < _NSAKEY> But yeah, it's kind of the same principle as what you're talking about.
17:06 < _NSAKEY> Either approach would work, but it would come down to, "Which one costs less at scale?"
17:06 < _NSAKEY> Or possibly, "Which approach is being backed by someone who is golf buddies with the right person?"
17:06 < RangerZ1> _NSAKEY: we've actually had long discussions about this, and its not really possible if you design it properly , because the IC becomes too fragile to really 'cut open'
17:07 < RangerZ1> possibly you could do it if you were intel/amd/samsung and did it in a clean room, but the degree of likelyhood to fuck it up is HIGH
17:07 < RangerZ1> because you have to be careful to not flip a bit while doing it... good luck
17:08 < RangerZ1> lol
17:08 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, only one shot, zero margin for error.
17:08 < _NSAKEY> Some TAO monkey would cry themselves to sleep over being given that job.
17:08 < RangerZ1> the _problem_ with pre-build cards like that is that they can _easily_ have backdoors built into them that only NSA/China know about
17:09 < _NSAKEY> That's a problem with anything you buy, though.
17:09 < RangerZ1> just look at Cisco and 1 in 100 of their ISP level routers having backdoors
17:09 < RangerZ1> _NSAKEY: I was actually envisioning a purely open source solution
17:09 < _NSAKEY> Or the Juniper backdoors, which recently got removed.
17:10 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, nothing even remotely proprietary would be trusted/adopted.
17:11 < _NSAKEY> And, sadly, you'd have to keep NIST/NSA the hell away from the standards-making process.
17:12 < RangerZ1> THAT I don't agree with
17:12 < _NSAKEY> They could probably offer some valuable insight, but the NSA's been a gang of comic book villaince since 9/11, and anything IAD does seems to take a backseat to "Hack the planet."
17:12 < RangerZ1> you need them there, but you have to treat them with care
17:12 < _NSAKEY> *villains
17:12 < _NSAKEY> wow, what the hell just happened to my typing?
17:13 < _NSAKEY> Anyway, the rest of the world probably wouldn't adopt it with their involvement, and i wouldn't blame them.
17:15 < RangerZ1> "sure"
17:15 < RangerZ1> just like the rest of the world didn't adopt AES
17:15 < RangerZ1> ....ohh wait...
17:15 < RangerZ1> lol
17:16 < RangerZ1> FIPS 140 is basically an international standard at this point,
17:18 < RangerZ1> but I haven't paid attention to it much after no longer trying to find a suite of FIPS 140 compliant libraries for the android mobile project I was working on.
17:19 < RangerZ1> (bouncy castle (which is the crypto library built into Android) apparently can pass, but you need to pay the 5K$ to get your 'specific binary build' of it certified)
17:21 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: That was before Snowden.
17:21 < _NSAKEY> After Snowden... I don't think worldwide adoption of a standard that the NSA had anything to do with would be as easy.
17:22 < _NSAKEY> Which, really, just creates a different set of opportunities for them.
17:22 < RangerZ1> nah, I think it would
17:23 < RangerZ1> gotta remember, policy at the national level isn't decided by people, its by corporations, lol
17:23 < RangerZ1> and they want interoperability when it comes to encryption, etc.
17:23 < _NSAKEY> We'll have to see how it plays out, but I think we'll see more balkanization.
17:23 < _NSAKEY> More idiotic "roll your own crypto" attempts.
17:24 < RangerZ1> Ohh I think we'll see balkanization of the -internet- itself
17:24 < _NSAKEY> Mostly on the level of government entities that aren't the US.
17:24 < RangerZ1> just look at UK's anti-porn laws
17:24 < _NSAKEY> Or Australia's unbashed hatred of crypto.
17:24 < RangerZ1> no female dominant sexual acts, such as face sitting or female ejaculation
17:24 < RangerZ1> b/c a female ejaculating 'onto' another person is 'lude'
17:25 < RangerZ1> ....but a guy doing it is fine...
17:25 < RangerZ1> lol
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22:16 < aestetix> great way to start off monday morning
22:16 < aestetix> raid failure on the most critical system
22:19 < RangerZ1> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSrnXgAmK8k
22:19 < PigBot> Title: All of our data is GONE! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/olr3jlz
22:20 < RangerZ1> only something like _every file on the media company_ being broken/lost at once
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