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00:03 < RangerZ1> NSAKEY_: I'm assuming you have enjoyed the 'tarp man' thing
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02:47 < NSAKEY_> RangerZ: tarp man?
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03:03 <@RangerZ> one of the yallqueda guys was sitting under a blue tarp
03:03 <@RangerZ> but I don't mean a 'tent'
03:03 <@RangerZ> no...
03:03 <@RangerZ> he was just sitting there with his gun, and someone put a tarp over him
03:04 <@RangerZ> http://gawker.com/oregon-militia-gunman-hides-under-tarp-on-msnbc-1751284976
03:04 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
03:41 < _NSAKEY> This is the winning comment: http://gawker.com/fucking-tarp-how-many-bailouts-do-these-anti-governmen-1751286002
03:41 < PigBot> _NSAKEY: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
03:44 <@RangerZ> yeah
03:44 <@RangerZ> http://gawker.com/what-you-are-missing-is-that-these-men-are-just-about-t-1751291035 this one was pretty good too
03:44 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
04:17 < aestetix> so
04:17 < aestetix> RangerZ: what do you think about David Chaum's new proposal?
04:22 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Is that the guy who is wanting to build the backdoored crypto system?
04:28 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: among other things
04:28 < aestetix> you know what else he created?
04:30 < aestetix> the whole concept of anonymous payments.... bitcoin... mixmasters..... he was the one who came up with what became Tor
04:30 < aestetix> so yeah, watching all these activists getting mad at him is.... interesting
04:30 < aestetix> since their beloved Tor would not exist without david chaum
04:38 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I'm not aware of 1) who that is (offhand) 2) their proposal
04:39 <@RangerZ> link?
04:41 < aestetix> http://www.wired.com/2016/01/david-chaum-father-of-online-anonymity-plan-to-end-the-crypto-wars/
04:41 < PigBot> Title: The Father of Online Anonymity Has a Plan to End the Crypto War | WIRED (at www.wired.com) http://tinyurl.com/joa7a5q
04:43 <@RangerZ> its a cop out
04:44 <@RangerZ> its a great way to get your system adopted
04:44 <@RangerZ> (by gov'ts)
04:44 < aestetix> why would he do that?
04:45 <@RangerZ> its a great way to get your system adopted
04:45 <@RangerZ> (by gov'ts)
04:48 <@RangerZ> from a quick look, it is a private TOR network (capitalization on purpose to screw with _NSAKEY)
04:49 <@RangerZ> that is designed to work better with packetization techniques more in line with current TCP uses
04:49 <@RangerZ> [ And because the entire cMix process is a series of simple multiplications and divisions, it’s far faster than the public key computations necessary in older mix networks]
04:50 <@RangerZ> also means you don't have any of that "pesky 'secret key' nonsense to worry about" since the 9 servers are ALL CONTROLLED by the same people (not by definition, but by reality)
04:51 < aestetix> haha
04:52 <@RangerZ> actually I know of the algorithm they are using
04:52 <@RangerZ> it is used to "securely shuffle 'cards' in a card game, anonymously"
04:53 <@RangerZ> there are a couple ways to actually implement it, but basically you can give out all 52 'cards' encrypted
04:54 <@RangerZ> and it takes every other member of the group to decrypt each card
04:54 <@RangerZ> so that way people can't 'peek' at the unknown cards
04:54 <@RangerZ> but they can verify that the card being shown 'should' be what is shown
04:56 <@RangerZ> but his scheme has 9 different servers all acting as the 'players' and the 'cards' being each packet
04:56 <@RangerZ> that shit is going to have a LOT of latency
04:57 <@RangerZ> especially if the 9 servers are geographically diverse
04:57 < aestetix> well, I think it's funny because it guarantees political drama for any government that wants to decrypt data
04:57 <@RangerZ> nah
04:57 <@RangerZ> because they would already have deals on how to do it
04:57 < aestetix> Let's say julian assange gets to have one of the servers
04:58 < aestetix> hilarity will ensue
04:58 <@RangerZ> the other gov'ts would allow it
04:58 <@RangerZ> easy
04:58 <@RangerZ> they would just block his server's IP
04:58 <@RangerZ> WRT: authoritarian gov'ts
04:59 < aestetix> but they need his part of the key
04:59 <@RangerZ> no, you are missing my point
04:59 <@RangerZ> if you can't access the 9 servers, then you can't use the network (at least not well)
05:00 <@RangerZ> it loses the bonus of ToR where anyone can setup a node
05:01 <@RangerZ> so the infrastructure is a giant weakspot for it
05:04 <@RangerZ> plus, what happens when one of the 9 servers goes down
05:04 <@RangerZ> I'm pretty sure at that point the entire system fails
05:04 <@RangerZ> I'm not _nearly_ as good as most of the people here when it comes so sys admin/etc. but even I can see the flaws in this design.
05:05 < aestetix> thus why I am waiting for the details
05:07 <@RangerZ> even at 99% uptime, with 9 servers that becomes 91.35% system uptime
05:08 <@RangerZ> mind you 99.9^9 = 99.103591% which is 'better'
05:09 <@RangerZ> thats still only 361.73 days out of the year uptime , you don't need a comm network for 3.5 days out of the year... lol
05:12 < _NSAKEY> One of tor's potential weak spots is the dirauths. There are 9 of those.
05:12 < _NSAKEY> The difference there is that they only vote on a consensus regarding the status of the relays.
05:13 < _NSAKEY> There's no secure golden key split across them.
05:13 < _NSAKEY> Chaum's proposal reminds me of the NSA director's split-key idea.
05:13 < _NSAKEY> Which really, was one of the least idiotic back door ideas, but back doors just do NOT work out in the real world.
05:36 < aestetix> https://soundcloud.com/breitbart/milo-yiannopoulos-meredith-patterson-and-eric-raymond-january-6-2016
05:36 < PigBot> Title: Milo Yiannopoulos - Meredith Patterson and Eric Raymond - January 6, 2016 by Breitbart | Free Listening on SoundCloud (at soundcloud.com) http://tinyurl.com/gsn9jmg
06:01 <@RangerZ> oh god...
06:02 <@RangerZ> I 'recognized' the name Milo Yia.....gobblygookname...
06:02 <@RangerZ> but couldn't place it... etc
06:27 <@RangerZ> mixing of "OSS community" and "hacker community" like they are the 'same' thing... is kinda annoying
06:28 <@RangerZ> sure, there is a lot of overlap
06:28 <@RangerZ> but they aren't the same thing...
07:01 < aestetix> well Meredith is a good friend
07:01 < aestetix> and ESR is.... fucking esr.
07:10 <@RangerZ> no, i meant Milo
07:10 <@RangerZ> he's one of those MRA types
07:11 <@RangerZ> or at least very anti-liberalism-"PC" conservatives, etc
07:12 <@RangerZ> I ran into a bunch of his stuff a while back, and was like "umm...wtf", his statements in that clip were very un-journalistic also
07:12 <@RangerZ> he makes blanket statements without any proof as bad as anita ...whatever her last name is... who makes the bad videos about sexism in video games
07:13 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:16 <@RangerZ> no
07:16 <@RangerZ> lies
07:16 <@RangerZ> aww...crap
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07:33 < aestetix> RangerZ: ah ok. I am not familiar with Milo
07:40 <@RangerZ> just look at where he is from
07:40 <@RangerZ> brietbart (sp?)
07:41 <@RangerZ> [Breitbart News Network is a conservative news and opinion website founded in 2007 by Andrew Breitbart. It identifies itself as on the political right.]
07:41 < aestetix> well, he seemed reasonable on the interview
07:41 <@RangerZ> 'reasonable' sure
07:42 <@RangerZ> but he was making more blanket statements than they were
07:42 <@RangerZ> hell, I think Anita Sarkesian has a point with her videos, but I think the 'videos' themselves are of general poor quality b/c of broad blanket statements
07:43 <@RangerZ> broad statements like that are great for stirring up controversy though...
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10:43 <@Evilpig> description of the day.  "his breath smelled like digested bigmac"
11:00 <@oddball> Wait... I just got told that the "protests" in Baltimore, Minniapolis, etc were peaceful.
11:00 < aestetix> which protests
11:00 <@oddball> The ones that included burning buildings to the ground.
11:01 <@oddball> and massive looting.
11:03 < _NSAKEY> oddball: To be fair, burning buildings to the ground is probably peaceful by Baltimore standards.
11:03 <@oddball> heh... there is that.
11:03 <@oddball> no permit? arson
11:03 <@oddball> permit? urban renewal.
11:05 <@Evilpig> oddball: fires are peaceful.  have you ever seen a fire that you didn't want to roast a marshamallo on?
11:05 <@oddball> may apartment?
11:05 <@oddball> er my apartment?
11:05 <@CRasH180> I would say a fire of a burning body would not be a nice one to roast a marshmallow on
11:07 <@oddball> Now I have an urge to find the picture of the monk burning himself to protest the Vietnam war and make a meme.
11:09 <@CRasH180> glad I could inspire you
11:22 < aestetix> you could make a butt plug out of the picture of the monk
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12:39 <@sasquatc4> http://www.wired.com/2016/01/dish-hopper-3/
12:39 < PigBot> Title: The Hopper 3 Is the Most Ludicrously Powerful Cable Box Ever | WIRED (at www.wired.com) http://tinyurl.com/jml5q35
12:39 <@sasquatc4> wish i had those 6mo of my life back
12:46 <@Evilpig> sasquatc4: 6 mo?
12:48 <@sasquatc4> yea, did the intial bring up of that box like last spring
12:49 <@sasquatc4> then been working on it off and on 6mo, but hardcore the past 2-3
12:55 <@RangerZ> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1283573988/skreens-lets-every-device-stream-at-once-with-no-l/description
12:55 < PigBot> Title: Skreens: Everything you want on one display. by Skreens Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) http://tinyurl.com/nhm4ueb
12:55 <@RangerZ> 325$ or so for the 4 port version
12:55 <@RangerZ> basically the same thing
12:55 <@RangerZ> at least with the PiP, etc.
12:59 <@RangerZ> plus it isn't powered by crystalized sasquatc4 tears
13:01 <@RangerZ> though... that might be a _selling_ point for the hopper 3 in this channel...
13:03 < dfused> evil wanker
13:04 <@Evilpig> the idea of having crystalized sasquatc4 tears does make it a little more appealing
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13:18 <@sasquatc4> hehe
13:19 <@sasquatc4> well its a tad different, thats just for input devices, this is full dvr integration on 4 video streams, so full dvr operation and playback and channel changing and what nots
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13:38 < _NSAKEY> https://gamesdonequick.com/
13:38 < _NSAKEY> They're starting a blindfolded speedrun race in super punch out.
13:38 < PigBot> Title: Games Done Quick (at gamesdonequick.com) http://tinyurl.com/nqnd2sf
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14:08 < aestetix> is corydon scared of me?
14:14 < _NSAKEY> Why would he be? You're a harmless baby troll.
14:15 < aestetix> well I know bahumbug is
14:16 < _NSAKEY> No, I'm pretty sure Bahhumbug just wants to beat you to a bloody pulp. That's quite the opposite of fear.
14:17 <@oddball> Bahumbug got all pissy that we wouldn't let him own the channel.
14:18 < aestetix> I wonder if Bahumbug ever experimented with buttstuff.
14:19 < _NSAKEY> I don't know, but with the way you obsess over it, it sounds like you want someone to help you experiment.
14:19 < _NSAKEY> There's probably a channel on freenode just for that.
14:19 <@Dolemite> I'm sure he's already had half his apartment up his ass, _NSAKEY
14:20 < aestetix> Dolemite: I didn't know he lived in an apartment.
14:20 <@RangerZ> https://bgr.com/2016/01/06/google-fiber-austin-construction-flooding/
14:20 < PigBot> Title: Google Fiber: Austin flooding exacerbated by construction | BGR (at bgr.com) http://tinyurl.com/hpa9gae
14:21 <@RangerZ> Took me going to the linked video story
14:21 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Not him, you.
14:21 <@RangerZ> because I was like "wtf... gutter sock... how would that cause problems..."
14:22 < aestetix> Dolemite: Bahumbug has not been here, so he couldn't have put anything here up his butt.
14:22 <@RangerZ> Different type of product than what I thought (I thought they meant the downspout extension)
14:22 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I think Dolemite was implying that you experiment with yourself, using random objects in your apartment.
14:23 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: wait, what kind of objects is he talking about?
14:26 < aestetix> I mean, if Bahhumbug *is* into that stuff, it would explain why he kept getting so mad at me. Enemas hurt if you leave them in too long.
14:26 <@Dolemite> Voice of experience
14:26 < aestetix> Shadow404 told me
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14:27 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TGE4squIhA
14:27 < PigBot> Title: Social Justice Warrior Training Video, LEAKED! | Decoded | MTV News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/gonou79
14:28 <@CRasH180> I don't think scared is the feeling Bahhumbug has for you
14:30 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I watched the most recent South Park season recently, after what you said about it.
14:30 < _NSAKEY> Pretend that Bahhumbug is Mr. Garrison, and you're a random Canadian in South Park.
14:33 < aestetix> CRasH180: you're right. "terrified"
14:41 <@CRasH180> don't think that is the one either
14:54 < aestetix> petrified?
14:54 <@CRasH180> give up
15:00 < aestetix> so petrified
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15:32 <@RangerZ> fucking BSOD :/
15:32 <@RangerZ> haxm is fucked for some reason with win10
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16:03 <@CRasH180> haxm?
16:18 <@RangerZ> allows you to run the Android Emulator as a 'real' OS
16:19 <@CRasH180> ah
16:19 <@RangerZ> https://software.intel.com/en-us/android/articles/intel-hardware-accelerated-execution-manager
16:19 < PigBot> Title: Android* - Intel® Hardware Accelerated Execution Manager | Intel® Developer Zone (at software.intel.com) http://tinyurl.com/lezosoy
16:20 <@RangerZ> ohh new one out now too :/
16:20 <@RangerZ> hopefully supports win10 properly now
16:20 <@CRasH180> Hopefully
16:21 <@CRasH180> I have not upgraded our Windows 8 machine to Windows 10 yet
16:23 <@RangerZ> you should
16:23 <@RangerZ> its nice
16:24 <@RangerZ> other than this haxm BS (which is not common) I haven't really had issues with it
16:24 <@RangerZ> but take the few hours after install to turn off all "new" features (such as searching online when you type into the app search bar, cortana, etc.
16:25 <@RangerZ> sadly, I wouldn't mind cortana as an idea... but I find the controls on it a little too permissive
16:28 <@CRasH180> I agree with that. Except that I use the google search page on my phone way too much
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16:35 <@oddball> god damnit.  Apparently my mom has managed to lock herself out of her MacBook
16:37 <@oddball> easy fix, but...
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16:40 <@Dagmar> Joy of joys.  The new cable box doesn't have component output
16:41 <@oddball> Yeah... a lot of devices are going pure HDMI now.
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16:43 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, Comcast may be about to lose me as a cable TV customer then
16:43 <@Dagmar> Either I can record Doctor Who *myself* or we don't play
16:51 <@RangerZ> thought you had a hauppauge hd 60
16:51 <@RangerZ> (of course it will have HDCP enabled)
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16:54 <@RangerZ> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L0X2GIU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A2BUXD0L1W5AKG
16:54 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
16:58 <@RangerZ> ohh look a nice HDMI splitter
16:59 <@RangerZ> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L0X2GIU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A2BUXD0L1W5AKG
16:59 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
17:00 <@RangerZ> actually... I'm curious how well that works
17:00 <@RangerZ> I bought a cheap 20$ or so version,(only 1 out) and it seems to mess with signal occassionally
17:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah I just spotted an HDMI to component converter on Amazon for $40
17:01 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately the /other/ problem is that the new remote for the X1 is RF, so there's literally no way to interface it for channel changes, either.
17:02 <@RangerZ> ...
17:02 <@RangerZ> mine is still in the bag in my spare bedroom
17:02 <@RangerZ> I haven't taken it out
17:02 <@RangerZ> will probably mess with it this weekend
17:05 <@Evilpig> I did not think this dinner plan through very well
17:06 <@Evilpig> ham, mashed potatoes, potato salad
17:27 <@RangerZ> http://www.oregonlive.com/tv/2016/01/watch_seth_meyers_mocks_oregon.html
17:27 < PigBot> Title: Watch: 'Late Night' host Seth Meyers mocks Oregon standoff militants (VIDEO) | OregonLive.com (at www.oregonlive.com) http://tinyurl.com/h2wnjkk
17:27 <@RangerZ> this is actually really funny
17:29 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: there is the 'tarp man' nonsense
17:29 <@Dagmar> MUahahaha
17:29 <@Dagmar> bitches better be afraid
17:29 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/+BrandonDowney/posts/jg2azDihokG
17:29 < PigBot> Title: Project V welcomes all ENL agents. Get registered, get connected, find other… (at plus.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/zrf2fss
17:29 <@Dagmar> I didn't even know this project had gotten to the "let's make a public announcement" stage yet
17:29 <@Dagmar> I hope like fuck they're not making unrealistic promises
17:29 <@Dagmar> ...for their sakes
17:30 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I'm going to have some time and reason to fuckin' rip into this thing properly over the weekend, being that I'd already specced out such a system myself
17:30 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' EZ-mode assessment
17:34 <@RangerZ> how is that any different than a web-of-trust that doesn't require any certs and is hosted on a server?
17:35 <@RangerZ> ohh wait...
17:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah someone's raising questions about how the WOT is being described
17:51 <@Dagmar> I've already been up one side, down the other, and into the lower intestinal tract of _that_ problem
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18:13 <@RangerZ> god...
18:14 <@RangerZ> its odd realizing that the emulated phone on my system has a ~2x larger resolution than.... my laptop
18:24 <@Dagmar> Heheheh yeah
18:24 <@Dagmar> I was kinda hunting around looking for a half-scale resolution mode with the Android Emulator I was using on my desktop for a similar reason
18:24 <@Dagmar> I don't have 1920 _vertical_ on my monitors
18:26 <@Dagmar> Holy shit the guy doing the weather on WKRN must be new.  He just used the F-word in his report for this weekend
18:26 <@Evilpig> uh oh.  there will be traffic issues tomorrow
18:26 <@Dagmar> Here I am out of milk, too
18:27 <@Dagmar> Damnit, I was wanting to avoid going to the store tonight
18:27 <@Evilpig> better run now.  the weather man has doomed the milk and bread aisles
18:27 <@Dagmar> Yep
18:35 <@RangerZ> http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/nashville-tn/37219/weather-forecast/351090
18:35 < PigBot> Title: Nashville Weather - AccuWeather Forecast for TN 37219 (at www.accuweather.com) http://tinyurl.com/73sruo7
18:36 <@RangerZ> wtf... says low of 45 tomorrow
18:39 <@RangerZ> I'll just go tomorrow :/ not going to go out tonight
18:40 <@brimstone> aestetix: or anyone, how many people were at hope x?
18:40 <@Evilpig> too many?
18:41 <@brimstone> how many people are at def con?
18:42 <@Evilpig> somewhere past too many but not enough to be treated like an angry terroristic mob
18:45 <@Evilpig> hey Dagmar, during all your crafting shit do any of those places sell air filter type foam sheets?
18:45 <@Dagmar> foam?
18:45 <@Dagmar> Foam literally isn't suitable for air filtration
18:46 <@Dagmar> If you
18:46 <@Evilpig> yeah foam.  realizing the noise from these fans is higher pitched and if I just cover the front of this server with a custom cover it will dampen the noise
18:47 <@Evilpig> I can hold an envelope over the front and it dropped the sound level nearly in half
18:47 <@Dagmar> Ahh... Okay, for that you can probably just buy flat HEPA filter material
18:47 <@Dagmar> ...or just go buy a cheap HVAC filter and cut it up
18:47 <@Evilpig> I pulled three of the fans out, and one of the power supplies and the sound is down but still not the whisper i'm shooting for
18:47 <@Dagmar> THe reason they're folded like they are is to increase the area which air passes through, to make them pose less resistance to airflow
18:48 <@Dagmar> You can cut them apart and just flatten them
18:48 <@Dagmar> Probably what you should be looking for is just _lower speed_ fans
18:48 <@Evilpig> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vacmaster-HEPA-Foam-Filter-VKFF001/203491862  8"x11" sheet  $15
18:48 < PigBot> Title: Vacmaster HEPA Foam Filter-VKFF001 - The Home Depot (at www.homedepot.com) http://tinyurl.com/zpg6ayp
18:49 <@Evilpig> these fans can run as low as 100rpm
18:49 <@Evilpig> I jsut can't get the fan controls working right
18:49 <@Evilpig> i'm attempting to flash the bios right now to see if something custom was put in to keep them from working right
18:50 <@Dagmar> It certainly sounds like something is jacked up
18:50 <@Dagmar> It's worth mentioning that that foam filter is expected to be subject to high pressure.  Should probably work tho
18:51 <@Evilpig> it won't be super high pressure but it just needs to breathe a little
18:52 <@Dagmar> With shipping involved it might be worth your time to scope out what's being sold at Target and your local Home Depot/Lowes
18:52 <@Evilpig> might try that this weekend
18:52 <@Evilpig> just looking around at options now
18:53 <@Evilpig> this rom is either flashing really slowly or it isn't doing anything.  either way i am not daring to stop it
18:54 <@Dagmar> hehe good plan
18:54 <@Evilpig> it has a recovery mode but that is gonna involve me coming to raid your shit, and then probably rangerz's shit too 
18:54 <@Evilpig> it requires a 3.5" drive and a working floppy
18:54 <@Dagmar> hahhaha
18:54 <@RangerZ> lol
18:55 <@Dagmar> You realize 90% of my shit is still in large-sized "Mystery Boxes" right? Heh
18:55 <@Dagmar> I can probably find the floppy drive in under an hour
18:55 <@Dagmar> Floppy disks are easy.  I know where a stash of at least 40 of them are
18:55 <@Evilpig> I might have a floppy drive here in my box of parts
18:56 < dfused> y aknow one option is to send that big beautiful bastard if a server to me ad then get something that is NOT ment to run in a datacenter =P
18:56 <@RangerZ> I have one in my spare parts tote
18:56 <@Evilpig> dfused: now what kind of geek would I be if I gave up so easily?
18:57 < dfused> a lazy one =) the best kind
18:57 <@Dagmar> I'm wondering why RangerZ has one in a tote bag
18:57 < dfused> Dagmar:  I'm wondering if RangerZ also has nail polish in that tote bag.
18:57 <@Dagmar> Where mine is usually stored can readily be referred to as an 'oubliette'
19:00 < dfused> is it a sin to add rice to homemade chili
19:00 <@RangerZ> what the fuck do you mean Dagmar? what else should I put in my "I think I'm important and so I have a 'bug out bag' with random things I think I might need in a 'end-times' scenario"  ??
19:01 <@RangerZ> hehe
19:01 <@Dagmar> Shit you could actually use
19:02 <@Dagmar> If a floppy drive makes it into that list, then the world's probably fuckin' done for
19:02 <@RangerZ> also, its a plastic tote, just like the ones you bought for moving
19:02 <@Evilpig> maybe he intends for it to be a musical instrument
19:03 <@Evilpig> i bet this boot disk loaded highmem and the cd driver and the flash program doesn't have enough memory to do whatever
19:05 <@Evilpig> cause this has been running for 10 minutes an nothing has changed on the screen at all
19:05 <@RangerZ> I'd have assumed that MB would have had good fan controllers on it, can you just not access them?
19:05 <@Evilpig> yeah but it also is supposed to have a quiet mode setting that isn't present
19:06 <@RangerZ> http://www.livenewschat.eu/politics/ trump is live :/
19:06 < PigBot> Title: RockinRooster's Politics (at www.livenewschat.eu) http://tinyurl.com/qd6tktp
19:10 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: is it some kind of jumper setting ?
19:10 <@RangerZ> did you find the manual for it?
19:11 <@Evilpig> I've checked all the jumpers
19:11 <@RangerZ> so we now KNOW WHY aestetix moved to Germany http://science.slashdot.org/story/16/01/07/195216/german-carpenters-testicluar-valve-could-mean-an-onoff-switch-for-sperm
19:11 < PigBot> Title: German Carpenter's Testicluar Valve Could Mean An On/Off Switch For Sperm - Slashdot (at science.slashdot.org) http://tinyurl.com/hgbbxex
19:12 <@Evilpig> there's a setting in the bios.  disabled -> full speed (7000rpm) -> server (~5500rpm) -> workstation (~4000rpm)
19:13 <@Evilpig> it's been running nearly 20 minutes.  thinking I might go in there and force reboot
19:13 <@Evilpig> consequences be damned
19:22 <@Evilpig> it's flashing correctly now
19:23 <@Dagmar> Holy shit
19:23 <@Dagmar> Dude one fo the project leaders of the Project V thing is just chewing out Brandon Badger and making all sorts of accusations
19:24 <@Dagmar> I will bend him over and fuck his tight little asshole _all weekend long_ over infrastructure problems if he doesn't shut his fucking hole
19:24 <@Dagmar> Brandon knows his shit, both in theory and in practical applications
19:25 <@Dagmar> These fuckwits have made a spectacle out of how many vouches each person in their system has made
19:25 <@Dagmar> That's a giant fuckin' no-no because it very quickly erodes the value of a web-of-trust
19:26 <@RangerZ> oddball: You made a wise choice, its a very nice merlot, little expensive for the taste, but it is worth it every once in a while https://imgur.com/nc1kiJg
19:26 < PigBot> Title: Getting out of my wifes bad books. - Imgur (at imgur.com) http://tinyurl.com/ze23nva
19:28 <@oddball> heh
19:35 <@Evilpig> okay so I know that this is the superio chip on the board.  w83793
19:35 <@Evilpig> I have 9 fans possible on the motherboard.  currently have 2,4,6 connected
19:36 <@Dagmar> HAHHAHAH
19:36 <@Dagmar> You should know by now that this means _fuck all_ for your chances of getting lm_sensors to report accurate figures on the first go'round.
19:36 <@Evilpig> oh I know that much
19:37 <@Evilpig> I'm just trying to figure out what to put in sensors3.conf to get it to read the fans
19:37 <@Dagmar> Good luck getting the multipliers correct
19:37 <@Dagmar> That stuff is like Intel HDA specs
19:37 <@Dagmar> "Left to vendor discretion"
19:38 <@Dagmar> Find a 60hz strobe or something
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20:12 <@Evilpig> winner winner chicken dinner!
20:12 <@Evilpig> [root@plex2 ~]# sensors w83793-i2c-0-2f | grep ^fan
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan1:          0 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)  ALARM
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan2:       4440 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan3:          0 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)  ALARM
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan4:       4411 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan5:          0 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)  ALARM
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan6:       4383 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan7:          0 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)  ALARM
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan8:          0 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)  ALARM
20:12 <@Evilpig> fan9:          0 RPM  (min =  712 RPM)  ALARM
20:17 <@RangerZ> NOW
20:17 <@RangerZ> can you 'adjust' them?
20:17 <@Evilpig> trying
20:17 <@Evilpig> pwmconfig didn't like it.  :-/
20:18 <@Evilpig> but it's at least reporting the fans now
20:51 <@Dagmar> Cool
20:56 <@RangerZ> worst case, something like this http://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PWM-Fan-Controller-PH-PWHUB_01/dp/B00M0R05WE/ to plug into an internal USB connection
20:56 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
20:56 <@RangerZ> (if you even have those)
21:01 <@Evilpig> http://www.coolerguys.com/840556100409.html
21:01 < PigBot> Title: Evercool 80x38mm 12V PWM fan with connector #EC8038HH12BP (at www.coolerguys.com) http://tinyurl.com/hsex9kd
21:01 <@Evilpig> these are the right size, pwm, and get down to 20db
21:03 <@RangerZ> noctua makes some really good fans too, that is what I'm using
21:04 <@RangerZ> they have a god aweful color scheme.... but they are among the top for reduced noise while still being really good for cooling
21:06 <@RangerZ> http://noctua.at/en/products/fan.html  NF-A8 PWM 80x80x25  2200 RPM 17,7 dB/A
21:06 < PigBot> Title: Fans - Products (at noctua.at) http://tinyurl.com/nhcfbh6
21:29 <@RangerZ> [Get your guaranteed max refund of $0 with TurboTax]
21:29 <@RangerZ> HAHA... I think they messed up the title of that email
21:29 <@RangerZ> b/c inside the email says 'Get your guaranteed max refund for $0 with TurboTax'
21:31 <@Dagmar> I'll wager that it is _not_ a mistake
21:32 <@Dagmar> I'll wager that it is in fact hype-loading the subject line just to get the term "max" in there, because they can certainly guarantee a "maximum refund" of $0.
21:32 <@RangerZ> who knows
21:33 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: let me know what you find out about 'project v'
21:33 <@Dagmar> Remember these are the same people the _IRS_ had to tell to calm the fuck down with high-pressure tactics for "premium" services for people filing a free, simplified return
21:33 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: RIght now I'm still kicking idjit butts
21:33 <@RangerZ> because I can point you to THE seminal papers in that area (my fucking preliminary exams had me study that -exact- material... fucking Paxos algorithm... and Dist. Hash Tables, etc.)
21:34 <@Dagmar> I am presently schooling one of their other project people on exactly how "responsible disclosure" works, because he seems to think that after a brief time you're supposed to disclose to only a slightly larger number of people and ask them about their _feelings_ or some shit
21:34 <@Dagmar> In addition to correcting him on the basis of just how NOT unique what they're doing is
21:35 <@Dagmar> ...and the _specific_ lessons we learned in the learly 90's with PGP 2.6 and it's incredibly granular signature system that was doomed to failure and simply gave people a false sense of security.
21:35 <@RangerZ> you mean 'key signing parties' didn't stop the NSA?
21:35 <@RangerZ> hehe
21:36 <@Dagmar> Too fuckin' right
21:37 <@Dagmar> Those versions of PGP would actually ask you to assess how _long_ you knew the person for, as well as how _well_ you knew them, and whether or not you trusted their judgement in general, and with respect to gauging other people's judgement
21:37 <@Dagmar> The overwhelming conclusion was "THIS DOES NOT WORK".
21:42 <@RangerZ> you CAN do encryption with email, and basically you use outlook
21:42 <@RangerZ> at least from what I understand, my former research group had to email DoD that way for a while
21:42 <@RangerZ> thankfully I joined -right- after that
21:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah, that'll work.  Outlook doesn't fuck up the encryption, and it can even manage to get a key from a public or private keyserver and not fuck it up
21:43 <@Dagmar> ...but in no way does the damn thing make promises about the sanity of the sender or the veracity of their statements.
21:44 <@Dagmar> These guys have been angling to use System V to make assessments like that and it simply _does not work_.
21:44 <@RangerZ> nope
21:45 <@RangerZ> they had a level of trust... you know... working for them and sharing keys physically
21:45 <@RangerZ> I'm not sure where the linux kernel IPC does that ... hehe
21:46 <@Dagmar> Mainly, people get around
21:46 <@Dagmar> One of the ONLY things I was expecting to be able to leverage heavily if I rolled out a system of my own was the people like Nadia who travel a fuckton to different anomalies
21:47 <@Dagmar> ...that and the existence of a whole bunch of groups of um... almost incestuous messaging back and forth about the game
21:47 <@Dagmar> You would be shocked if you actually saw Nadia's Hangouts app
21:47 <@Dagmar> I think she might be personally in contact with about 10% of the Ingress players world-wide through that.   lol
21:48 <@RangerZ> she's an attractive female, I would never doubt how many people would want to talk to her
21:48 <@Dagmar> Equivalent to IRC, she's in about 50 channels which jibber-jabber all the damn time
21:49 <@RangerZ> no no no its jabber jabber... hangouts being XMPP
21:49 <@RangerZ> lol
21:49 <@RangerZ> but yeah, if she has that many 'followers' I could only imagine
21:49 <@Dagmar> I have had to tell her to turn off the notifications more than once when we've gone out to eat somewhere
21:52 <@Dagmar> Oh joy
21:53 <@Dagmar> I now see that the twat dev who I was responding to has resorted to simply muting the thread so he can't see our responses
21:57 <@RangerZ> if I wrote that , and then saw all those responses, I might mute it to... to sleep
21:57 <@RangerZ> or use google-stuff otherwise
21:59 <@Dagmar> I'm going to stomp their little dicks into the dirt and laugh as I do it
22:00 <@Dagmar> This repeating theme that Downey should have never published this "where the Resistance can see it" is such a phenomenal load of shit
22:00 <@Dagmar> I'm about to drop the "I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS SINCE BEFORE YOU BITCHES WERE WIPING YOUR OWN ASSES" on these guys
22:00 <@Dagmar> God help them if/when Nadia sees the thread
22:00 <@Dagmar> LOL
22:01 <@RangerZ> lol
22:01 <@Dagmar> Ho lee shit
22:01 <@Dagmar> She knows Downey pretty well, and she's the reason I know who Downey is
22:02 <@Dagmar> I don't think these jokers even know that until a few months back, Downey literally was Niantic's security guy
22:02 <@Dagmar> ...and that this was part of his role at Google.
22:02 <@Dagmar> Someone should have slapped them and said "DOn't fuck with Downey because Downey knows his shit"
22:11 <@RangerZ> why would google hire someone who know what they doing.... oh wait...
22:11 <@RangerZ> also.... I'm curious about their idea of 'responsible disclosure'...
22:12 <@RangerZ> because I'd consider it pretty fucking 'responsible' to tell people to NOT use a vaporware set of 'security/privacy' tools
22:16 <@RangerZ> ["Harm" means injury or negative consequences, such as undesirable loss of information, loss of property, property damage, or unwanted environmental impacts.]
22:16 <@RangerZ> and [Well-intended actions, including those that accomplish assigned duties, may lead to harm unexpectedly. In such an event the responsible person or persons are obligated to undo or mitigate the negative consequences as much as possible. ...
22:16 <@RangerZ> .... One way to avoid unintentional harm is to carefully consider potential impacts on all those affected by decisions made during design and implementation.]
22:16 <@RangerZ> from https://www.acm.org/about-acm/acm-code-of-ethics-and-professional-conduct
22:17 < PigBot> Title: ACM Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct (at www.acm.org) ERROR
22:17 <@RangerZ> and most importantly.... [Furthermore, it is often necessary to assess the social consequences of systems to project the likelihood of any serious harm to others. If system features are misrepresented to users, coworkers, or supervisors, the individual computing professional is responsible for any resulting injury.]
22:18 <@RangerZ> so him NOT blowing the whistle would have been against the ACM code of ethics...
22:25 <@Dagmar> I flatly laid that out for them, and they're not having any
22:25 <@Dagmar> I finally just told them they should go take a look at the 'Full Disclosure' mailing list.
22:26 <@Dagmar> ...where it's basically "Vendors get 30 days to fix it, and then it's time for someone to publish because the bad guys certainly won't"
22:36 <@RangerZ> 90 days if its a OMGWTFBBQ issue
22:37 <@RangerZ> I think the longest I've ever even heard -asked- by industry was 120 days
22:37 <@RangerZ> b/c beyond that, it indicates a non-priority of the issue
22:39 <@RangerZ> if you ignore the Gov't telling Knuth to stop writing his books before he gets to encryption
22:39 <@RangerZ> ...hehe....
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23:21 < aestetix> brimstone: the running joke is 2600 people
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