--- Log opened Fri Dec 25 00:00:04 2015
00:11 <@Dagmar> So... I appear to be making a steady -8,000 credits each time I try these ground missions
00:11 <@Dagmar> To teh youtubez!
00:17 <@Dagmar> Found a Russian Youtuber doing the type of mission I just failed miserably at
00:17 <@Dagmar> LOL
00:17 <@Dagmar> He got to the planetary base, no SRV
00:21 <@Dagmar> He switches to a different ship... comes back...
00:21 <@Dagmar> No planetary approach suite, so... no landing.  LOL
00:21 <@RangerZ> lol
00:21 <@Dagmar> Are you noticing a _theme_ among the people who are playing this?  Heh
00:22 <@Dagmar> ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbEqpxl71TE
00:23 <@Dagmar> er... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbEqpxl71TE
00:23 < PigBot> Title: Elite: Dangerous. Cut the Power mission. Exploring Horizons. Part 7 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/nl5vz5u
00:24 <@RangerZ> .... part 7
00:24 <@RangerZ> i hope that isn't parts to ... attempt this ONE mission
00:24 <@RangerZ> lol
00:25 <@Dagmar> Well... He's on attempt #3 or #4
00:25 <@Dagmar> This new planetary stuff is _confusing_
00:27 <@RangerZ> NASA told them to make it that way
00:28 <@RangerZ> how else will they crew The USS Excalibur ?
00:28 <@Dagmar> If one could perhaps, _talk_ to someone about the missions
00:28 <@Dagmar> It's utterly weird that you get sent somewhere to just _interface_ with a data terminal...
00:28 <@Dagmar> ...but no explanation of how
00:30 <@Dagmar> Most of us appear to be sort of showing up and bashing our faces into things in desperation until the local defense turrets take an interest
00:31 <@Dagmar> ...at which point... you're going back to the station very quickly. Heh
00:32 <@Dagmar> Imagine an intergalatic staffing company that only produces mentally retarted psychopaths.
00:32 <@Dagmar> That's Frontier.
00:37 <@Evilpig> why bother with the stupid private domains?
00:37 <@Evilpig> what are you trying to hide?
00:43 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: the main reason I put them at netsol in the first place was they will take money from anyone to renew them
00:43 <@Evilpig> we had an issue with godaddy where dru didn't pay them and they wouldn't take money from us to renew a few domains then they went up for reclaimation and the $100 per domain fee to get them back
00:45 <@RangerZ> 'hide' nothing, I just don't think that info should be public for non inc. businesses
00:46 <@RangerZ> yeah I know the history, but you have to remember "not what Evilpig did" was the M.O.
00:46 <@Evilpig> private registration is dumb for this and most domains, I personally am against it in general
00:47 <@Evilpig> as far as what evilpig did....  NOT WASTE MONEY!  yeah that's something that should be avoided.
00:47 <@Evilpig> but I know this to be more of a case of "i know better and i'm not gonna ask why it was done this other way"
00:48 <@RangerZ> Yeah, for PN private makes no sense, since its public info anyways, I means personal sites, etc. but w/e
00:49 <@RangerZ> Part of me wonders if codex has some deal where PN registered X # of domains through that site that he'd knock off some $
00:49 <@Evilpig> no.  it's a site that tilghman uses and has for years
00:49 <@Evilpig> he's tried to sell me on it several times but I don't see the point 
00:51 <@RangerZ> ahh
00:51 <@RangerZ> also... as a funny side note
00:51 <@RangerZ> NYC and Boston was hotter yesterday than 4th of july
00:52 <@Dagmar> It's Christmas Eve and my damn windows are open
00:53 <@Evilpig> I wish I could say i'm not wearing pants but I'm wearing shorts
01:06 <@Evilpig> poor brotherhood of steel
01:06 <@Evilpig> I just killed them all
01:07 <@RangerZ> ohh nvm
01:07 <@RangerZ> At first I thought some families in Pittsburgh were going to be very upset
01:10 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: "Stealth" wasn't really your thing on the Prydwen either?
01:12 <@Evilpig> nope
01:13 <@Evilpig> I gave it a whirl and then said fuck it
01:13 <@Evilpig> I've got a rocket launcher that seeks it's targets and does double dmg to humans
01:13 <@Evilpig> wasn't even fair
01:13 <@Dagmar> I got the uniform, and then got the first bomb planted just fine.  Then I got cocky and practically chest-bumped someone who knew better
01:13 <@Dagmar> I just randomly had a minigun on me
01:15 <@Evilpig> time for desdemona to die
01:18 <@Evilpig> i should probably crash.  my nephews will be up early as fuck
01:19 <@RangerZ> god... You know... I thought I "liked jazz" (just didn't know much about it)... but the more and more I hear of it lately, it sounds even more random than fucking skrillex's trash
01:20 <@sasquatc4> mmm, elite talk
01:21 <@sasquatc4> hopefully gettin my hotas in the mornin, if the woman was paying attention
01:21 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: so no hotas for you?
01:21 <@sasquatc4> haha
01:21 <@RangerZ> she got you a new trackball
01:21 <@sasquatc4> sounds about right
01:22 <@RangerZ> the guy at best buy told her it was all the rave for playing those 'space games'
01:22 <@sasquatc4> though the 360 controller hasnt been bad for it, been using it for a month with the game so far and been doing ok
01:22 <@sasquatc4> then again i also have a docking computer installed in all my ships so i dont have to deal with that
01:23 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: thats cheating
01:23 <@sasquatc4> meh, its in the game, it aint cheating
01:23 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: Do you know how to do these fucking planetary missions?
01:23 <@RangerZ> you know... that was my argument... but Square Soft didn't agree
01:23 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: It plays the Overture when you engage it.  :)
01:23 <@sasquatc4> no, i landed on a planet drove around, then couldnt find my ship and drove for 30min away from the base just to call my ship to me
01:24 <@Dagmar> lol
01:24 <@sasquatc4> one of my buddies has done a couple so far though, most ive done is transport some stuff down and drop it off
01:24 <@Dagmar> I've been scouring livestreams and everyone is confused
01:24 <@Dagmar> I tried one that looked like i was just supposed to scan a terminal attached to a turret
01:25 <@Dagmar> I get there... there's like 30 fuckin turrets, and they're very protective of the whole area
01:25 <@sasquatc4> i can ask him tomorrow when he's on what he's done so far, but im pretty sure he's only done transports too. He had one of those 'go find this escape pod' missions and couldnt find shit
01:25 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: that excused didn't fly so well with the GMs when a group of us caused 100s and 100s of players deaths in Final Fantasy 11.... "what... it was in the game... its not wrong..."
01:25 <@Dagmar> There's a data link thing that I *think* is used for scanning but I did that with several of them... no apparent reaction
01:25 <@Dagmar> Other than I did get my ass blown out of the sky 3-4 times
01:25 <@Dagmar> PARK FAR FROM THE LAND BASSE
01:25 <@RangerZ> https://twitter.com/Kojima_Hideo/status/679953431663005696/photo/1 kojima's game's first concept art
01:26 <@Dagmar> er BASES
01:26 < PigBot> Title: 小島秀夫 on Twitter: "Happy holidays! https://t.co/qVj6nNNMv7" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/jq6b4pa
01:26 <@sasquatc4> we've just been bounty hunting mostly, and doing power play to get our 5mil salaries
01:26 <@RangerZ> that concept art has better art design than a lot of games.... hehe
01:26 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to avoid going back to Space Trucker, so I think I'll be trying mining next
01:27 <@Dagmar> This seems like something I can do
01:27 <@Dagmar> ...before I'm too broke to buy the nice gear for doing it
01:27 <@sasquatc4> it can be lucrative, if you can find the hidden gems of the rare stuff
01:28 <@Dagmar> If I have to grind up a moon into pieces and deliver them one at a time... someone's going to be out a moon
01:28 <@sasquatc4> well thats also why we did the PP stuff, once you get a couple 5mil weeks under your belt you got enough cash to outfit any of the smaller ships with all A class stuff
01:28 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/Wilpig/status/680288785813352448/
01:28 <@Dagmar> What's PowerPlay exactly?
01:28 < PigBot> Title: Wilpig on Twitter: "This is the garbage "broadband" Internet my parents have been dealing with. Stupid at https://t.co/vyvLihVxlE" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/j83gsvs
01:28 <@sasquatc4> you align yourself to one of in-game powers
01:29 <@Dagmar> Ah
01:29 <@sasquatc4> then you get merit points for delivering intel/goods or for killing enemies in enemy controlled territory
01:29 <@sasquatc4> so i.e., we went with zac hudson, at lvl2 merits you get a 40% extra on top of bounties, at lvl4 you get 5mil salary each week you stay at lvl4
01:30 <@sasquatc4> theres a system next to the one we hang out in thats an anarchy system, so we dont get bounties on our heads by killing other people, and its controlled by another faction
01:30 <@sasquatc4> so we go there, interdict easy enemies, rack up our points for the week in a few hours, and call it good
01:30 <@Dagmar> I *think* I have figured out that the salvage missions don't require you to land the SRV on a PIO
01:30 <@Dagmar> er POI
01:31 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to figure out what to do about the SRV throttle controls tho
01:31 <@sasquatc4> oh yea, i managed to get like 5 fines because of that shit
01:31 <@sasquatc4> in the 45min i was on a planet
01:31 <@Dagmar> The fines go away if they blow your ass up.  heh
02:10 < aestetix> heading to see star wars
02:10 < aestetix> and ugh it's 3d
02:10 < aestetix> I hate 3d movies
02:23 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: First off, the invoice for the netsol domains was something like $37.99 per domain.
02:23 < _NSAKEY> How this move even came about was that I was added to the board mailing list, where the invoices and things like that go. I asked why we were paying $37.99 a year.
02:24 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar can confirm this, plus the fact that there wasn't a lot of discussion on the list. If there was any other discussion about it, I wasn't privy to it.
02:24 < _NSAKEY> I used namecheap as the example in the initial e-mail.
02:24 < _NSAKEY> Also, phreaknic.info and nashville2600.org do NOT have private whois.
02:24 < _NSAKEY> Source: I just whoised them.
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10:27 < dfused> nope.
11:53 <@Dagmar> Damnit.
11:53 <@Dagmar> Christmas has returned.
11:58 <@Dagmar> This year, let's all do our level best to make sure it doesn't show it's face around here again.
13:20 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: we never claimed that PN sites _did_ have private whois
13:20 <@RangerZ> that was a discussion completely tangential to the PN sites themselves
13:51 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpHfmUOZd_k
13:51 < PigBot> Title: Tips To Save Money: Live In A Van At Work - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zu5a6ez
13:51 <@RangerZ> Google Employee
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14:33 <@RangerZ> about nashville actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTEmi840IQ
14:33 < PigBot> Title: Chick-fil-A Going Gay? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/znma5f8
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14:45 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I missed the part where you started that line of conversation, and just saw EvilPig ranting about private whois.
14:48 < _NSAKEY> Ummm...
14:48 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/680489963356598272
14:48 < PigBot> Title: Rami Ismail on Twitter: "Whoa people, something weird is going on with Steam. If you can, pull credit card information, Steam is giving access to random accounts." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/o3dpsnh
14:49 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/hdmoore/status/680490382648569856
14:49 < PigBot> Title: HD Moore on Twitter: ". @steam_games seems to be melting down, other folks seeing random account details: https://t.co/7uPardXr3T" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/o9nzoel
14:49 < _NSAKEY> Any truth in that?
14:49 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: This is just for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmAr7DfBy90
14:49 < PigBot> Title: Random Chiptune Christmas Compilation Vol. 1 (8 Bit Cover Version) [Tribute to Christmas] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/oxvjjbu
14:50 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: that could easily be because of session keys being messed up on the backend
14:50 <@RangerZ> probably just a rare edge case
14:53 < _NSAKEY> I don't know if it's possible to remove payment options from steam accounts since I don't do steam, but you guys might want to do that until this blows over.
14:57 < _NSAKEY> ... And now there are tweets about steam being unavailable now.
14:58 < _NSAKEY> At least valve is on top of it.
15:08 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: None of those domains ever had private whois.  and I've never paid more than $9.99
15:09 <@Evilpig> I lied.  those I paid 10.99 for because I didn't bitch enough
15:09 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pf5l6oz6lkwra80/Screenshot%202015-12-25%2015.09.54.png?dl=0
15:10 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2015-12-25 15.09.54.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/owblfka
15:10 < aestetix> that's no good
15:10 < _NSAKEY> See, if I had known that was possible, I wouldn't have said anything on the mailing list.
15:11 < _NSAKEY> Those prices are reasonable.
15:11 <@Evilpig> nobody questioned why it was done that way.
15:11 < _NSAKEY> The fact that you have to complain to get them is kind of silly.
15:11 <@Evilpig> I get that price in the web portal
15:11 < _NSAKEY> But I get where you're coming from.
15:11 <@Evilpig> you got the go fuck yourself price because those domains were transferred to a new account
15:11 < _NSAKEY> I wonder if they paid full sticker for them during the years in which you were an Evil Bad Person(TM).
15:12 <@Evilpig> no, because I PAID THEM MOTHERFUCKER!
15:12 <@Evilpig> I would be paying them right now if someone hadn't gotten a stick up their ass last spring
15:13 < _NSAKEY> This is a pretty cut and dry case of me being new to being on the board, and not knowing how that sort of thing had been done before.
15:13 <@Evilpig> in the years that I didn't control them, dru lost them multiple times from lack of payment even after nashville2600 gave him a check to pay them
15:13 < _NSAKEY> I'm surprised no one said anything on the list.
15:13 < _NSAKEY> I just saw $37.99 per domain and got sticker shock.
15:13 <@Evilpig> and bring up them showing hteir ass last year and demanding that I turn them over to dolemite?
15:14 <@Evilpig> they also demanded control over se2600.org , etc
15:14 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I had heard some about that.
15:15 < _NSAKEY> I just didn't think this suggestion was going to be something anyone had a  problem with, because $37.99 per domain in 2015 is highway robbery.
15:16 <@Evilpig> seeing as how the transfers aren't complete because there are still technically retarded people in control of the accounts.  stop the transfer and I'll call and get the correct rate because i'm nice like that
15:16 <@RangerZ> hurry
15:16 <@RangerZ> his 'nice' only lasts on the 25th
15:17 <@Evilpig> my nice expired at 6am this morning
15:18 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Why don't you just e-mail board@nashville2600.org?
15:18 < _NSAKEY> A lot of this boils down to lack of communication.
15:18 < _NSAKEY> Communicating fixes the underlying problem.
15:18 <@Evilpig> I assume my emails are still being blcoked or ignored
15:19 <@Evilpig> seeing as how the last time I reached out to the board over that last unpaid invoice I was yet once again called a liar and got no response from the board
15:19 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Dagmar and I are on the board list. cc me directly, and if it doesn't go through, I will forward it.
15:19 <@Evilpig> i've delivered my message and offer to you and ben
15:20 < _NSAKEY> Ok, well I guess I'll just dump IRC logs into an e-mail body and send that.
15:20 <@Evilpig> if it doesn't make it through and tilghman still insists on transferring then you should all pour cash out ont he table at the next board meeting and set it on fire
15:25 < _NSAKEY> Heh.
15:25 < _NSAKEY> Well, I'm going to bundle up all the relevant lines of scrollback and e-mail them off. We'll see what happens.
15:26 <@Evilpig> the last time I renewed those was Tuesday, January 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM and it was sent to the old board email before dippy and dodo dismantled it.
15:29 <@Evilpig> I need faster internet out here.  gonna take an hour to snag the doctor who christmas special
15:30 <@RangerZ> easy
15:30 < aestetix> penis
15:30 <@RangerZ> just pay comcast 400$/month for 2GBPS
15:30 <@Evilpig> not an option here
15:30 <@RangerZ> 1000$ install cost too (or something stupid like that)
15:30 <@Evilpig> this truly is BFE
15:30 <@RangerZ> ohh your back home in KY-land?
15:31 <@Evilpig> yeah.
15:31 <@Evilpig> I connected the ps4 and this is what it showed as the connection rate.  https://twitter.com/Wilpig/status/680288785813352448
15:31 < PigBot> Title: Wilpig on Twitter: "This is the garbage "broadband" Internet my parents have been dealing with. Stupid at https://t.co/vyvLihVxlE" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/h9x5nuh
15:32 <@RangerZ> doesn't that still "count" as "broadband" ?
15:32 <@RangerZ> what did they change the standard too?
15:33 <@Evilpig> 10mb is now the definition I think
15:35 <@RangerZ> https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/680499156339810304
15:35 < PigBot> Title: John Bain on Twitter: "People claiming a DDOS attack swaps peoples accounts around have no clue what a DDOS attack is." (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hlucw2j
15:35 < aestetix> hmm
15:35 < aestetix> I just heard a massive explosion outside my window
15:36 < aestetix> oh damn, I can't log into steam
15:36 < aestetix> I wanted some free games
15:36 <@Evilpig> free games?
15:36 <@RangerZ> steam is borked
15:36 <@RangerZ> when you log in
15:36 <@RangerZ> it logs you into SOMEONE RANDOM's account
15:37 <@Evilpig> I'm already logged in.  lol
15:37 < aestetix> including admin accounts
15:37 <@Evilpig> that's funny
15:37 <@RangerZ> your 'library' is fine
15:37 <@RangerZ> but 'store' and 'account info' are both down now I think
15:38 < aestetix> you know
15:38 < aestetix> this is why you do code freezes around the holidays
15:39 <@RangerZ> https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/680489792816201730
15:39 < PigBot> Title: John Bain on Twitter: "This is giving peoples personal information away, including actual address. What the hell is going on?" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/zva2lf4
15:40 < aestetix> something something single point of failure
15:41 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/3y7maa/something_is_really_wrong_with_steam_be_careful/
15:41 < PigBot> Title: Something is really wrong with Steam. Be careful. : Games (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/z442cwt
15:42 <@RangerZ> it seemed like sessionIDs were being swapped
15:43 <@RangerZ> which sounds like a -fun- thing to figure out -why- it is happening
15:43 <@RangerZ> let us take a moment to mourn on this holy day of steam sales.... about the lost sleep and sanity of the steam employees who are trying to fix this
15:45 < aestetix> and this happens right as everyone is loggin in to buy their presents
15:51 < _NSAKEY> If Xbox Live and PSN get ddosed as the kid groups were claiming, what game stores are left?
15:52 <@RangerZ> gog
15:52 <@RangerZ> and thats about it for online
15:52 <@RangerZ> ubisoft's uplay and EA's site too technically ... i guess.... but still
15:52 < _NSAKEY> See, things like this make me glad I'm a weird person who only plays retro games.
15:53 <@RangerZ> but sony's site is up
15:53 <@RangerZ> to the store works
15:53 <@RangerZ> might be 'match making' servers or something else on PSN's side that is under ddos
15:53 < _NSAKEY> For example, I played the original Mega Man the other night, and will probably gradually work through the other games in the NES part of the series.
15:53 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I don't know that anyone is ddosing them, just that it was claimed that it was going to happen.
15:54 <@RangerZ> i'm sure they are being DDOSed
15:54 <@RangerZ> happens every year
15:54 <@RangerZ> different little script kiddies
15:54 < _NSAKEY> That's just rude.
15:55 <@Evilpig> at least there's still porn
15:55 <@Evilpig> as long as the porn flows, the internet is running
15:55 <@RangerZ> lizard squad and a few others saying "look, we are showing that their sites don't handle this"
15:55 <@RangerZ> pretending they are trying to be white-hats or some such shit
15:55 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: pornhub is down
15:55 < _NSAKEY> Yeah... That's just utterly stupid.
15:55 < _NSAKEY> The only responsible answer to that is a ball-peen hammer to their fingers, I think.
15:55 <@RangerZ> they planted too many trees from the porn watched this year
15:55 <@Evilpig> pornhub s a bad example.  they go down at least once a day
15:56 <@RangerZ> they are 1/2 done re-stocking the amazon
15:56 <@RangerZ> lol
15:56 <@RangerZ> (if only)
15:59 <@RangerZ> http://kotaku.com/steam-goes-nuts-offers-access-to-other-peoples-account-1749718979
15:59 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
16:00 <@RangerZ> I think sites are doing that on purpose now to fuck with Evilpig
16:00 <@RangerZ> ohh wait... that would just be sites _we_ make....
16:00 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Two words for this Steam mess: Secret Santa.
16:01 <@RangerZ> imagine if you got into weev's account or something
16:02 <@RangerZ> donate 100s of codes for undertale online
16:03 <@RangerZ> yeah http://store.steampowered.com/ is down
16:03 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: timed out. http://tinyurl.com/5v8wgl
16:04 <@Evilpig> lol
16:08  * RangerZ knew that was gonna happen, was curious to see what would unfold
16:16 <@Evilpig> i'm amused by the error
16:19 <@RangerZ> I like how the tinyurl was still made though
16:20 < _NSAKEY> So are we sacrificing PigBot to the Nashville 2600 pig roaster next year?
16:21 <@Evilpig> not like it made a new tinyurl
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17:01 <@RangerZ> you know what... 5pm nap sounds good... fuck it... its a holiday
17:19 <@RangerZ> looks like steam is back up
17:21 <@RangerZ> (some info is apparently pointing to it having been a mess up with a caching scheme to fight DDOS attacks)
17:21 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x80VOkFwsL0
17:21 < PigBot> Title: PSA: Something has gone horribly wrong with Steam - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/jzyh446
17:23 < aestetix> haha
17:28 <@RangerZ> so I wouldn't be surprised to see some steam store credit showing up in everyone's account soon
17:29 <@sasquatc4> hmm, still cant login
17:43 <@RangerZ> http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/629365/PSN-down-PlayStation-Network-PS4-Why-is-PSN-down-DDOS-attack-Phantom-Squad
17:43 < PigBot> Title: PSN down: PS4 and PS3 users reporting PlayStation Network issues following DDOS threats | Gaming | Entertainment | Daily Express (at www.express.co.uk) http://tinyurl.com/zmb4kk6
18:07 <@RangerZ> aestetix: _NSAKEY http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-12-25/argentinas-outgoing-president-has-refused-give-her-official-twitter-account
18:07 < PigBot> Title: Argentina's outgoing president has refused to give up her official Twitter account | Public Radio International (at www.pri.org) http://tinyurl.com/oyzrs7s
18:08 < aestetix> haha
18:09 <@RangerZ> listened to the story on NPR yesterday
18:13 < _NSAKEY> It makes me wonder what Obama's going to do with @POTUS when his term is up.
18:14 < _NSAKEY> It's not like he actually needs the @POTUS account or anything. He has way more followers on @BarackObama.
18:16 <@RangerZ> I think he's going to be a much more influential person world-wide after his presidency than he was even while being president. Just from the single fact that the GOP won't be able to attack him (in public...)
18:17 < _NSAKEY> I don't know how he's still regarded outside the US, but I can see him easily taking on the role Jimmy Carter has served in the past.
18:17 < _NSAKEY> i.e. Have some weird diplomatic situation? Deploy Jimmy Carter.
18:17 <@RangerZ> publicly outing Isreal for having Nukes?
18:17 <@RangerZ> which was fucking hilarious
18:18 <@RangerZ> they had always claimed to never have them, but even wikipedia estimates put them at 150
18:18 <@RangerZ> hehe
18:19 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: europeans think obama is a pussy
18:19 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: On what grounds? I'm curious.
18:19 < aestetix> His foreign policy.
18:20 < aestetix> Specifically Syria.
18:20 <@RangerZ> EU is so fucked right now when it comes to foreign policy that they should just be ignored
18:20 <@RangerZ> if EU wants a ground war, they can have it
18:20 < aestetix> RangerZ: well everyone hates Angela Merkel too
18:20 < _NSAKEY> I was going to say... In what way is Obama worse than the leaders they ahve in Europe?
18:20 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: because the US gloats about its army but doesn't actually use it
18:20 < _NSAKEY> Throw a dart at a map of Europe... You'll find a leader who's a bigger corward than Obama on probably any given subject.
18:21 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: EU wants America to do their dirty work for them
18:21 < aestetix> RangerZ: Merkel just wanted to improve her ratings, and now it's clear there is no long term plan.
18:21 <@RangerZ> The _entire_ immigration issue is Turkey's fault
18:21 <@RangerZ> because they refuse to close off their border
18:22 <@RangerZ> and are only really concerned with bombing Kurds
18:22 <@RangerZ> Turkey doesn't want a Kurdistan
18:22 < aestetix> RangerZ: well given that this comes right after the whole greece drama
18:22 <@RangerZ> b/c Kurdistan would take a 50mi swath of Turkey along with it
18:23 <@RangerZ> and ISIS is nothing but a _funded_ band of Wahabi Sunni
18:23 <@RangerZ> Wahabi is the offiical sect of Saudi Arabia
18:23 <@RangerZ> so its not like THEY can 'really' say shit about ISIS
18:24 <@RangerZ> http://gizmodo.com/saudi-arabia-is-building-a-600-mile-wall-along-the-iraq-1685196732
18:24 < PigBot> RangerZ: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
18:25 <@RangerZ> Don't be surprised to hear the news of THAT WALL being extended to protect from Jordan and Kuwait
18:25 <@RangerZ> b/c ww2 has already shown us how great a 'wall' can be ....if it doesn't actually cover 'all' your borders *cough*belguim*cough*
18:26 < aestetix> so when Donald Trump is elected president, what do you think is the first thing he'll do
18:26 <@RangerZ> be assassinated
18:26 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Get assassinated?
18:26 < dfused> +1
18:26 < aestetix> lol
18:27 <@RangerZ> we're not joking
18:27 < _NSAKEY> Nope.
18:27 < _NSAKEY> I will vote for fucking Hillary before Trump.
18:27 <@RangerZ> You think secret service had a lot threats with Obama...
18:27 <@RangerZ> suicide bombers would be putting bombs INSIDE their bodies to kill him
18:27 < _NSAKEY> I think she's pure, unadulterated evil, but Trump is worse.
18:28 <@RangerZ> Clinton is nothing but a bought and paid "3rd way" democrat
18:28 <@RangerZ> she at least doesn't want the gov't to -self-implode-
18:28 < aestetix> And she takes forever to pee.
18:28 <@RangerZ> because how else are her sponsors going to make money from wallstreet?
18:28 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I'm ok with her taking forever to pee if it means she has time to think about whether to open the football and start shooting off nukes or not.
18:29 <@RangerZ> trump (and _literally_ Carson) would be fine with the world burning
18:29 <@RangerZ> Carson's a "7th day" , they literally think that the US fed gov't and the Catholic Church are working together to bring about the end times
18:30 <@RangerZ> putting _him_ in charge of fed. gov't (nuke codes, etc) is even worse than trump
18:30 <@RangerZ> (Because 'end times' is a _good_ thing in his relgion)
18:30 < _NSAKEY> I'm of the opinion that we're pretty much screwed no matter who wins, but it's a matter of degree.
18:31 < aestetix> I kind of wish a war general would run for office
18:31 <@RangerZ> I dunno, I think Bernie is pushing Clinton on a lot of topics she wouldn't have touched otherwise
18:31 < aestetix> at least they would have a clue about foreign policy
18:31 <@RangerZ> no
18:31 <@RangerZ> they would have a clue about war
18:31 <@RangerZ> two different things
18:32 <@RangerZ> and I'm aware of the quote 'politics is nothing but war by another name' (or so)
18:33 <@RangerZ> And I'm not naive enough to think that Clinton is a 'liberal' or anything like that, but she is literally a better choice than any of the clowns on the republican side
18:34 < aestetix> A plate of dog shit would be better
18:35 <@RangerZ> go down the list... Top 3 in the Republican Clown show are: [Republican ID], [reincarnation of Joe McCarthy], and [I would gladly start a war in the middle east to bring about the -end times-]
18:36 <@RangerZ> a little bit of crony capitalism and legalized bribery through our campaign system is nothing compared to those 3 options :/
18:38 <@RangerZ> Jim Trafficant was my fucking congressman, I'd fucking pick him over any of the GOP, and this is the guy who when he was caught taking bribes claimed that he was holding a 1 man sting operation on the FBI... and WON in court with that defense...
18:39 <@RangerZ> (well... won the FIRST time)
18:39 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You're forgetting the part where he represented himself in that case.
18:39 <@RangerZ> yeah
18:39 <@RangerZ> funniest part is when he'd show up on the local news just a few years ago when he got out of prison
18:39 < _NSAKEY> That guy was fascinating.
18:40 <@RangerZ> he laughed all the way back to his giant fucking ranch
18:40 < _NSAKEY> I remember when he said he might run for a seat in West Virginia.
18:40 <@RangerZ> he _won_ re-election from inside jail
18:40 < _NSAKEY> He did? I didn't know that.
18:40 < _NSAKEY> I knew he was running, but didn't know how that went.
18:41 <@RangerZ> the state changed the laws to make it so that his winning didn't count
18:41 <@RangerZ> (republican gov. at the time)
18:41 <@RangerZ> ohh and if you want to see a _test case_ in jerrymandering
18:41 <@RangerZ> look at the new congressional seat they made after that
18:42 < _NSAKEY> I knew about that.
18:42 < _NSAKEY> Didn't they carve his district up among like 3 others?
18:42 <@RangerZ> http://www.wksu.org/news/images/42210/OHIOS-CONGRESSIONAL-MAP.JPG
18:42 < _NSAKEY> And no, the REAL test case for gerrymandering is the Middle East.
18:42 <@RangerZ> that ~500 mile long district along the ohio river
18:43 <@RangerZ> the old disctrict was just the top 2 counties and the county above it
18:43 < _NSAKEY> "Yes, let's divide this giant pile of sand up by where the oil fields are, and not along cultural lines. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." - Some idiot, immediately after WWI.
18:43 <@RangerZ> it wasn't some random idiot it was BP
18:43 <@RangerZ> it was done on purpose
18:43 < _NSAKEY> Which district?
18:43 < _NSAKEY> I'm not familiar with your state's geography.
18:44 < _NSAKEY> Is it the area with the 13th, 10th, 11th, 16th, and 17th districts?
18:44 <@RangerZ> hold on
18:46 <@RangerZ> '6' is the new district
18:47 <@RangerZ> 17 was the old one, where '17' is (trumbell) and the 2 counties below it (mahoning and comlumbiana) were the old district that Trafficant had
18:47 <@RangerZ> cant' seem to find a map of that
18:47 < _NSAKEY> So they took one county from his district, and added a bunch more.
18:47 <@RangerZ> they literally cut up the metro-area
18:48 <@RangerZ> "Youngstwon-Warren-Boardman Metro area" is one of the 'large metro areas' of the country
18:48 <@RangerZ> something like .5m people
18:48 <@RangerZ> cut it right in half
18:51 <@RangerZ> also 'major' metro areas (mainly b/c of geography/history) but still
18:53 <@RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown%E2%80%93Warren%E2%80%93Boardman_metropolitan_statistical_area .5m for inner part .7 for region
18:53 < PigBot> Title: Youngstown–Warren–Boardman metropolitan statistical area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/nf8m6c4
20:01 <@Dagmar> WTF Blizzard
20:01 <@Dagmar> One of the special Winter Veil gifts this year is a _SLED_
20:02 <@Dagmar> It says in the description that you can sit on it and have a friend pull you, or your non-combat pet can ride it and you can drag them around
20:02 <@Dagmar> So... My dwarfy butt made a _beeline_ for the top of Dun Morough, because it's got this loooooong snow-covered slope
20:03 <@Dagmar> The @#$@$ sled does not appear to be affected by physics
20:03 <@Dagmar> What... the fuck
20:13 <@Dagmar> Apparently those sledding NPCs atop Dun Morough have been there for awhile
20:13 <@Dagmar> Damnit Blizz
20:38 <@Dagmar> Hmm... GeForce Experience beta supports streaming to YouTube
20:38 <@Dagmar> ...I don't see any place to change the stream name tho.  *sigh*
20:52 <@Evilpig> hahah
20:52 < dfused> its just da man tryin to keep you down
20:53 <@Evilpig> about ready to strangle a nephew
20:53 < dfused> I wont tell.
20:54 <@Evilpig> sooo... I think I finished fallout 4 earlier.  at least the main story line
20:56 <@Evilpig> some of the achievment things I can still do like crafting more shit.  but some of the quest line ones I guess i'd have to play through again to try to complete
21:02 <@Dagmar> If it showed you the film scroll, you finished the main questline
21:02 <@Dagmar> Also, if you're like me, you're probably wondering about attack on the Castle
21:03 <@Dagmar> The Brotherhood are supposed to attack after you mess up the Prydwen
21:03 <@Evilpig> then i'm not there
21:03 <@Dagmar> ...except maybe not so much if you kill every last fucker on the Prydwen before you destroy it.  Heh
21:03 <@Evilpig> I finished the institute stuff and father was all dead
21:03 <@Evilpig> I blew up the prydwen
21:04 <@Dagmar> Yeah presently a certain other faction you've been talking to will lose their heads and decide The Institute has to go
21:04 <@Evilpig> I've just got a bunch of filler quests now
21:04 <@Evilpig> is it the railroad?  cause they're all dead too
21:04 <@Dagmar> hahah
21:04 <@Evilpig> I got tired of her shit and splat
21:04 <@Dagmar> Well...
21:04 <@Dagmar> I guess that's one way to break a questline.  Hehe
21:05 <@Evilpig> I had a quest that said I needed to talk to her for and it wouldn't complete so I got frustrated with it and said fuck this noise
21:06 <@Dagmar> Yeah I had as my options basically, wipe out the Railroad (which I didn't want to do) or destroy the Institute's shiny new nuclear reactor (and make ANOTHER irridated crater)
21:06 <@Evilpig> I got the achievement for for deciding the fate of the commonwealth
21:07 <@Dagmar> So... I fired a few nukes into Railroad HQ
21:07 <@Evilpig> haha.  well... I started that fight with a bullet straight to desdemona's stupid face
21:07 <@Dagmar> PAM survived, but she's much less fun
21:13 <@Dagmar> ...although you may need to disable it until you can find or build a 4.3 kernel
21:13 <@Dagmar> @#$#@
21:23 <@Evilpig> I see they finally got steam straightened out
21:29 < aestetix> ok wow
21:29 < aestetix> adventofcode.com day 7 is cool
21:30 < aestetix> it's basically writing a compiler
21:30 < aestetix> er, well, an interpreter
22:58 <@RangerZ> compilers are easy
22:58 <@RangerZ> _good_ compilers are hard ;)
22:58 <@RangerZ> actually compiler compilers are _HARD_
23:02 < aestetix> compilers are easy
23:03 < aestetix> look at the brainfuck compiler :p
23:03 <@RangerZ> i've written compiler compilers
23:03 <@RangerZ> LR0 LR1 and a LR-inf one
23:36 <@RangerZ> mind you, you should just use antlr and bison now a days... but good learning experience
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