--- Log opened Tue Dec 22 00:00:58 2015
00:28 <@Dagmar> There's something you guys should see
00:28 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/hPmHBjyc
00:28 < PigBot> Title: [root@aragorn ~]# iptables -L -v -n Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 byt - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) http://tinyurl.com/jcpl26g
00:28 <@Dagmar> _Fedora 23_ made that
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05:18 < aestetix> ok here's a question
05:18 < aestetix> Why are only catholic priests accused of being pedophiles?
05:19 < aestetix> Why not buddhists, lutherans, etc
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06:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:35  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:37 <@Dolemite> Merry Christmas, you godless heathen
06:38 <@Dolemite> s/you/you unwashed/
06:47 < aestetix> wait
06:47 < aestetix> it's not christmas yet
06:48 <@Dolemite> The Twelve Days of Christmas
06:48 <@Dolemite> Today we're on 9 Ladies Dancing
06:48 <@Dolemite> So go visit a strip club
06:49 < aestetix> Dolemite: did you get me a present?
06:49 <@Dolemite> I farted in a jar and mailed it to you
06:49 < aestetix> I don't like perfume
06:55 < aestetix> Dolemite: will you give me a kiss on new years?
06:56 <@Dolemite> No, but you can kiss my ass
06:56 <@Evilpig> that sounds like an invitation for a rim job
06:59 < aestetix> Evilpig: lol there are no jobs at rim anymore
07:00 < cyberanger> aestetix: lol
07:38 <@Evilpig> https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/1919066_10153557312004998_6238775775356145525_n.png?oh=ac8910b501b84973cd34427954357da4&oe=57126941
07:38 < PigBot> Evilpig: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
07:48 < phy1729> aestetix: re pedophiles, iirc other religions have similar problems it's just not as publicized
07:49 < aestetix> phy1729: I figured. In fact, I imagine the problem exists in all professions.
07:49 < aestetix> But it does make me ask why the catholic problems are so publicized.
07:50 < aestetix> And the whole "priests must be celibate" argument fails because so many sex crimes happen with people who have NOT taken a vow of celibacy
07:50 < phy1729> most pedophiles are family members iirc
07:50 < aestetix> right
07:51 < aestetix> which makes sense (in a totally disgusting way)
07:51 < phy1729> indeed
07:51 < aestetix> But it does make me question why these allegations have come out against catholic priests, and not other faiths priests
07:52 < phy1729> well the reasoning depends on what you believe
07:52 < aestetix> Either 1. people have not spoken up about what happened in other faiths 2. many allegations are untrue
07:52 < phy1729> or 3) the media has a particular like for Catholic scandals
07:52 < aestetix> ugh
07:53 < aestetix> so it all comes back to how bad the media is
07:53 < aestetix> So I guess a bunch of kids who were raised catholic grew up, became reporters, and decided to use reporting as an outlet for their catholic rebellion
07:53 < aestetix> or something
07:58 < aestetix> phy1729: I'll put it this way. I know *many* people who have been sexually abused. Usually women who have been raped. I don't actually know anyone who has said they were abused by a priest
07:58 < aestetix> A lot of people have anger at their church for whatever reasons, but it's not usually about abuse
07:58 < aestetix> it's usually more for the churches being anti-gay and such
08:00 < phy1729> and then the pope gets misinterpreted when he says stuff
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08:10 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjxhtNxCVBc
08:10 < PigBot> Title: VIDEO in Anthony Cumias Assault Case Leads to Arrest - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/h342owj
08:25 < Synx|hm> ugh i really hope wx is ok tomorrow as im driving to dallas
08:32 <@RangerZ> Synx|hm: don't worry, the storms will be fine
08:32 <@RangerZ> should only have a little bit of hail
08:33 <@RangerZ> the worst part will be the winds, but they won't be much faster than 50mph (hopefully)
08:34  * RangerZ is real reassuring, huh?
08:46 < Synx|hm> ya cant wait to get home over the weekend and find half a house and a haildamaged car
08:47 <@Evilpig> I bought a new ballpeen hammer just for the occasion, are you saying we shouldn't come over to check on thigs while you're gone?
08:52 < dfused> gona be like 80 deg on xmas day down here...sheesh.
08:53 <@Evilpig> fuckin' software store
08:53 <@Evilpig> bitch.. I sent you back that ticket because you're the one that has access to network solutions, god damnit
08:53 <@Dolemite> Is it still Karen doing that?
08:55 <@Evilpig> yes and her two helpers
08:55 <@Evilpig> "The Software Store can change the NS records, but I was told to request that UNIX change it on the VU DNS first (to avoid breaking anything).Was that wrong?"
08:55 <@Evilpig> repointing a domain from vu to an external provider
08:56 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: haha
08:56 < Synx|hm> i dont have comprehensive on my car, oh shit
08:56 < Synx|hm> wonder if hail is not covered then
08:56 < Synx|hm> perhaps i should clear out the garage before i leave
08:56 <@Evilpig> this was hte note I put on the ticket when I sent it back to her.  "The NS records need to be changed in the network solutions portal. After that has been completed please notify VUIT UNIX to remove the domain from our infrastructure."
09:08 <@RangerZ> Synx|hm: you know i was 100% fucking with you about the hail, right?
09:09 < Synx|hm> oh well that was actually in the forcast last night for wed
09:09 < Synx|hm> have not looked at the updated models
09:09 <@RangerZ> when we DO finally get some freezing rain it will be _bad_  because of all the moisture in the air, and sometimes-cold temps
09:09 <@RangerZ> upper ~30 is the worst for freezing rain, etc.
09:10 <@RangerZ> s/upper//
09:10 < aestetix> I have gotten ridiculously good at 2048
09:10 < Synx|hm> f;ing openvpn-as keeps consuming all RAM (512)
09:11 <@oddball> RangerZ: Freezing rain is the typical winter precipitation around here.
09:11 <@RangerZ> fucking TN
09:12 < aestetix> so unrelated
09:12 < aestetix> has anyone compared tmux and screen?
09:13 < aestetix> Apparently tmux has a WAY lower memory footprint
09:13 < Synx|hm> ive used both
09:13 <@RangerZ> 1mb compared to 4mb ?
09:13 < Synx|hm> but never looked at memory footprint
09:13 < aestetix> I was watching a talk where the guy opened 100 screens and 100 tmux windows
09:14 < aestetix> apparently the screen memory footprint was 300 megs, and tmux was 5 megs
09:14 <@RangerZ> aestetix: but is that 'reasonable' ?
09:14 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I've used both.
09:14 < Synx|hm> hey i need a way to do a link speed test from the console
09:15 < _NSAKEY> screen, unless things have changed, hasn't had an active maintainer in years.
09:15 < Synx|hm> anybody know where some 100+ meg files are i can wget to null
09:15 < Synx|hm> on a fast link for speedtesting
09:15 < phy1729> think softlayer has some
09:15 < _NSAKEY> Synx|hm: Just make your own using /dev/urandom.
09:16 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: that is also true
09:16 < phy1729> http://www.softlayer.com/data-centers
09:16 < PigBot> Title: SoftLayer Data Centers | Global Data Center Facilities (at www.softlayer.com) http://tinyurl.com/pffyyjg
09:16 < Synx|hm> _NSAKEY: i need them on a gig WAN link to test a VPS slices peering
09:16 < aestetix> RangerZ: if you get the same features and performance with 5 megs rather than 300
09:16 < aestetix> I'm all for it
09:16 < Synx|hm> http://www.softlayer.com/data-centers
09:16 < PigBot> Title: SoftLayer Data Centers | Global Data Center Facilities (at www.softlayer.com) http://tinyurl.com/pffyyjg
09:16 < aestetix> that said I don't know tmux well :/
09:16 < Synx|hm> THANKS phy1729
09:16 < aestetix> actually maybe you guys would know.... can you vim over ssh?
09:16 < phy1729> oh you just want a file? dd if=/dev/zero of=bigassfile bs=100m count=1
09:16 < phy1729> yes
09:17 < aestetix> phy1729: so I could do like
09:17 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I'm not saying I wouldn't either, but I think that test is biased
09:17 < aestetix> vim -o file1 ssh://hostname:file2
09:17 < aestetix> because that would be aweseome
09:17 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The fact that nobody maintains it anymore is the reason I went to tmux.
09:18 < phy1729> aestetix: vim scp://hostname/path/to/file
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09:18 < aestetix> vim scp?
09:18 < _NSAKEY> I disabled that ugly green bar, because I never have more than 3 or 4 tmux windows at a time. Aside from learning how to create/toggle between windows, I don't bother with the rest of the functionality.
09:18 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: is there really much to maintain for screen?
09:18 < Synx|hm> phy1729: no you were spot on i needed a hosted 100meg file on a fast server to download from as a speed test ;)
09:18 < aestetix> phy1729: so it copies the remote file to your local machine, makes the edits, and then scps the new file back?
09:19 < phy1729> iirc yes
09:19 < phy1729> aestetix: :h netrw-start
09:19 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: While your point is probably valid, I don't like the idea that one day, distros may just drop it, leaving me to deal with either learning tmux or building my own package.
09:20 < phy1729> or find the guy that made a .tmux.conf to emulate screen
09:20 < aestetix> phy1729: because one thing I like doing is having multiple files opened, and using vim to copy data between them
09:20 < aestetix> especially config files
09:20 < phy1729> you can still do that I think
09:21 < aestetix> looks like it, fuck yes
09:21 < phy1729> :e scp://.... works
09:22 < phy1729> or vim scp://hostname//{path/file1,other/path/file2,brace/expansion/ftw}
09:23 < phy1729> with a -p or -o or -O for tabs or splits
09:24 < aestetix> yeah
09:25 < aestetix> I usually just do splits
09:25 < aestetix> this is awesome
09:25 < phy1729> also there is #vim for these things ;)
09:26 < aestetix> nah I'd ask my qs in #emacs
09:26 < aestetix> lol
09:26 < Synx|hm> ok how can i show to my host that something (possibly/likely peering) is degrading BW
09:27 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: any idea why you would play this card?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/4oizq7144voti2n/Screenshot%202015-12-22%2009.27.02.png?dl=0
09:27 < PigBot> Title: Dropbox - Screenshot 2015-12-22 09.27.02.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/j4wczd3
09:27 < Synx|hm> i cant pull down more than 12Mbps on my link to them but the server is on a gig wan link
09:27 < Synx|hm> they have me doing wgets to their other datacenters and its all fast, ive tried a few to us hosts and its not as fast but not as slow as 12Mbps
09:27 < phy1729> Synx|hm: mtr and https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf
09:27 < PigBot> phy1729: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 20480 bytes.
09:29 <@RangerZ> so aestetix I found an online story you'd like
09:29 <@RangerZ> Title: Hardcore OP-ness
09:29 < Synx|hm> phy1729: ive done a few traceroutes they seem to be using two links sometimes i hit level3 direct from zurich to nashville (wowza) and sometimes GTT via washington
09:29 <@RangerZ> (its actually a good story, but the title is amusing)
09:35 <@RangerZ> http://www.space.com/31444-spacex-falcon-rocket-landing-epic-photos.html
09:35 < PigBot> Title: The Falcon Has Landed! Epic Views of SpaceX's Amazing Rocket Landing (at www.space.com) http://tinyurl.com/q6tcpmd
09:35 <@RangerZ> Synx|hm: figured you saw this, but there you go
09:36 < Synx|hm> ya thats awesome!!
09:36 < Synx|hm> phy1729: oh mtr nice
09:38 < Synx|hm> wtf 5. he-1-1-0-0-cr01.sanjose.ca.ibone.comcast.net                           47.6%    22   20.6  18.5  17.6  20.6   0.6
09:38 < Synx|hm> thats 50% loss
09:39 < phy1729> remember to read that pdf to intrepet correctly
09:40 < Synx|hm> phy1729: ya thanks again, and that one router showing loss is not the issue it seems because its utlized in the routes to two different datacenters at my host and one has the problem the other does not
09:40 < aestetix> http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-working-on-plan-to-scrutinize-social-media-in-visa-reviews-1450122633
09:41 < PigBot> Title: U.S. Working on Plan to Scrutinize Social Media in Visa Reviews - WSJ (at www.wsj.com) http://tinyurl.com/guno8ck
09:43 < aestetix> this is great
09:43 < aestetix> since I got into that twitter war with the facebook investor
09:43 < aestetix> I can now throw shit like this at him to try to get him to comment
09:49 <@RangerZ> non-paywall links are better ;) lol
09:49 <@RangerZ> (replied to you on twitter)
09:54 < aestetix> RangerZ: you're righteouscoder?
09:55 <@RangerZ> aye
09:56 <@RangerZ> righteousindignation is too long for a twitter name
09:56 <@RangerZ> lol
09:56 < aestetix> how about socialjusticeleech
09:56 <@Evilpig> haha I broke facebook
09:57 <@Evilpig> I told it to hide one of their autogenerated posts and clicked the thing to report it
09:57 <@Evilpig> you can't.  it doesn't know what to do
09:58 < aestetix> wait
09:58 < aestetix> can you serve targeted ads with facebook?
09:58 <@RangerZ> ugh
09:58 <@RangerZ> YEAH
09:58 < aestetix> so
09:58 < aestetix> Someone ought to make a facebook profile for "Dredd Scott" and target blacklivesmatters people :p
09:59 <@RangerZ> yes, you could target SJW with pro-nazi stuff, just like ass-hat , but be careful, you ARE in .de
09:59 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: That's what weev did to the federal prosectuor who he found in the Ashley Madison dump.
09:59 < _NSAKEY> He served targeted facebook ads about it to their high school or something similar.
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10:53 < Synx|hm> http://nashvillesevereweather.com/
10:53 < PigBot> Title: Nashville Severe Weather | Realtime Weather (at nashvillesevereweather.com) http://tinyurl.com/hfc382c
10:54 <@RangerZ> I blame Dagmar He washed and waxed his car this weekend
10:54 <@RangerZ> that means we're going to get hail
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11:56 < Synx|hm> whelp i guess slapping a thermo/humidity sensor on the side of a usb wall wart with esp01 inside was a bad idea
11:57 < Synx|hm> its gone from 70deg f to 80deg f and the room has not changed temp
12:16 <@Dagmar> How the fuck does it cost $12,000/hour to fly a fuckin unarmed UAV
12:20 <@Shadow404> just like those $10,000 toilet seats....
12:20 <@Shadow404> think about it
12:26 <@Dagmar> This was DHS trying to do border patrol.
12:26 <@Dagmar> This wasn't someone propping up a long-time contractor having financial difficulties
12:27 <@Dagmar> We could just put fully autonomous killbots out there for less than that
12:28 <@Dagmar> baxx: What?
12:34 <@Shadow404> what next? activate skynet?
12:36 <@Evilpig> I like the idea of this automous killbot, but I think we can do better.  I think we might even be able to make it pay for itself.
12:37 <@Evilpig> what if... we put killbots on the borders.  give them a nice wide everything is dead zone, surround that by a danger zone, then connect those fuckers to the internet
12:37 <@Dagmar> That would finance itself
12:37 <@Shadow404> shakedown the corpses?
12:37 <@Evilpig> we let little johnny asshat pay $100/mo to log in and drive around the kill bot and destroy anything that movies
12:37 <@Evilpig> moves*
12:37 <@Dagmar> Yep
12:37 <@Shadow404> heh
12:37 <@Evilpig> I'd pay.  It'd be like playing fallout but driving around in a killbot
12:37 < aestetix> hi Shadow404
12:38 < aestetix> how's the asshole?
12:38 <@Shadow404> doing welk, thx for asking
12:38 < aestetix> Still tight enough?
12:38 <@Dagmar> baxx: Yeah so... udevd/systemd is seeing you plug in the disk and trying to mount/acess it
12:38 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
12:39 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: can we drop in undersireables like aestetix in a 'Running Man' arena style?
12:39 <@Evilpig> I would be okay with that
12:39 < aestetix> I guess that means no
12:39 <@Evilpig> start with the deathrow folks though
12:41 <@Dagmar> Nah there's plenty of coyotes who I'm sure would be more htan willing to step up to the challenge of getting past the killbots
12:43 <@Evilpig> coyote vs 13yr old
12:44 <@Dagmar> No, the "coyotes" I'm talking about are the human smugglers
12:44 < aestetix> Shadow404: well I hope it's not too loose
12:45 < aestetix> otherwise things might start to fall out
12:56 <@Evilpig> the steam christmas sale is going on and their servers are once again failing
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13:02 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: need to look at steam tonight, hopefully servers will cope
13:04 <@Dagmar> Oh shit.  Steam winter sale starts
13:05 <@Dagmar> Oh.  Hehe.  Or TRIED to start
13:05 <@Dagmar> lol
13:05 <@Dagmar> I see now
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13:07 <@Evilpig> they've done these sales how many times?  when are they gonna learn to scale this shit up ahead of time?
13:07 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: my wishlist isnt working, tis empty
13:08 <@Shadow404> sigh
13:08 <@Shadow404> steam app, also not working
13:09 <@Shadow404> both store and wishlist down
13:09 <@Dagmar> Steam is f'in DOWN
13:09 <@Dagmar> lol
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13:10 <@Shadow404> nm, tis up, but slowwwwww
13:10 <@Shadow404> awesome prices
13:10 <@Mirage> yeah..i was waiting for the sale.  Planning on grabbing Just Cause 3 for my uncle
13:21 <@Mirage> Steam client "Store" portal not working, but hitting it via a browser worked fine for me.
13:22 <@Evilpig> i'm playing gnomoria.  fuck all that
13:36 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: FYI, I can't use jayplex, either.
13:37 <@Dolemite> But the irony is that I can get to and stream from Netflix when at work.
13:37 <@Dolemite> I should see if Amazon Video works.  I need to finish the last 3 episodes of The Man in the High Castle
13:40 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: did you put /web/ on the end of htat?
13:40 <@Evilpig> http://jayplex.wilpig.com/web/index.html
13:40 < PigBot> Couldn't snarf url: HTTP Error 404: Not Found. http://tinyurl.com/zex858g
13:45 <@Dolemite> yeah, I added /web/
13:45 <@Evilpig> weird cause that's just port 80 traffic
13:46 <@Dolemite> It asked for authentication and then it tried to connect to both my and your plex servers
13:46 <@Evilpig> yeah that's what it shoudl do
13:46 <@Dolemite> Same thing in Mozilla
13:46 <@Evilpig> lemme turn the auth back off
13:47 <@Dolemite> Oh,wait
13:47 <@Dolemite> I need to allow it to connect unsecurely
13:47 <@Dolemite> Yeah, still can't reach
13:47 <@Dolemite> Now it shows yours
13:48 <@Evilpig> that should work.  the downside is anything you watch like that pollutes my queue
13:49 <@Dolemite> As if "Grannies with Trannies" isn't already in the On Deck section of your Plex.
13:49 <@Evilpig> my on deck stays pretty darn clean
13:52 <@Dolemite> Oh, I'm going to set up a new account for the kids...  when I do I'll send you an email.  I'd like you to give them access but turn on parental controls.  Your unfiltered content is not quite what we want them having free access to. :P
13:53 <@Dolemite> Of course, it's more for the horror than anything else
13:55 <@Evilpig> yar
13:55 <@Evilpig> I offered to do that before.  :P
13:55 <@Dolemite> American Horror Story + 6 Year Old == Never Sleeping Again
13:55 <@Dolemite> Mr. 10 definitely wants to watch the complete Adventure Time series
13:56 <@Evilpig> American Horror Story + 10yr old = alone time 
13:56 <@Evilpig> lady gaga is hot as balls in the current season
13:57 <@Dolemite> No, he's not quite aware of that aspect, yet.  He'd only notice the scary elements.
13:57 <@Mirage> Evilpig: I can't imagine anything besides a couple paper bags and a lightswitch making Lady Gaga "hot as balls"
13:58 <@Evilpig> Mirage: you're just gonna have to take my word for it, or check it out
14:23 <@Dagmar> She's not perfect but I'd take her over most of the shallow whores the music industry is pimping
14:24 <@Dagmar> Frankly I like that she kinda started telling the A&R people to go eff themselves
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14:25 <@Mirage> Dagmar: but Taylor Swift is soooo intellectual.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WBCsiCqIAs
14:25 < PigBot> Title: JOHN CLEESE Insults TAYLOR SWIFTs Cat Olivia Benson - The Graham Norton Show on BBC AMERICA - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/qj8autw
14:26 <@Dagmar> SHe's purty.  She doesn't have to be a genius
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14:26 <@Dagmar> ...and I have better things to do than listen to her somewhat vapid lyrics
14:28 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB0Jbriwwqg
14:28 < PigBot> Title: Cricketer KP Talks Chest Matches with Confused Taylor Swift - The Graham Norton Show - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/o7u4my6
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17:21  * dasunt_ ponders continuing dealing with HP, or slitting his wrists.
17:24 < dasunt_> OMG, it worked.  5th time is the charm.
17:37 < dasunt_> I should really take these home to do and just do everything while drunk.
17:42 < dasunt_> Between HP's Web 2.suck and Excel's cut&paste fuckups, this isn't a sober job.
17:56 <@RangerZ> dasunt_: just slit your wrists
17:56 <@RangerZ> but remember 'down the arm' not 'across'
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18:03 < dfused> wow.
18:03 < _NSAKEY> No, RangerZ.
18:03 < _NSAKEY> You got that wrong.
18:04 < _NSAKEY> It's "Down the road, not across the steet."
18:04 < _NSAKEY> If you're going to provide terrible advice, you should at least know the memorization trick.
18:05 < _NSAKEY> dasunt_: Any chance you can just go Office Space on the equipment, or are your problems 100% software-related?
18:11 <@RangerZ> so my friend was working as an emergency network repair guy for some local companies back in the day and he literally heard someone say "what the fuck is pc-load letter" when he was working one day
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18:45 <@Dagmar> Aha!  Steam is back up
18:47 <@RangerZ> did it go down?
18:48 <@Dagmar> Yeah
18:48 <@Dagmar> Wait... you can land on planets on Elite: Dangerous now?
18:49 <@Dagmar> I wonder if shelling out the money I did when I did gets me that
18:53 <@RangerZ> i don't think so
18:53 <@RangerZ> think its an expansion
18:54 <@Dagmar> We shall see
18:59 <@Dagmar> Oooh I can punt this into Steam now tho
19:00 <@RangerZ> Descent Underground is only 15$ right now
19:02 <@Dagmar> so what?
19:02 <@Dagmar> @#$
19:02 <@Dagmar> Wait, that works too
19:02 <@Dagmar> I don't need to play a game that'll make me vomit
19:06 <@RangerZ> never had the issue
19:06 <@RangerZ> I've been playing it for a few months now
19:17 <@Dagmar> well, I played it a little earlier than you
19:17 <@Dagmar> ...by about 20 years or so
19:19 <@Dagmar> Also... bahaha http://imgur.com/gallery/PDORYyJ
19:19 < PigBot> Title: Settler Management - Imgur (at imgur.com) http://tinyurl.com/znmvdce
19:21 <@RangerZ> I obviously meant only the remake, yes I played the old version too
19:24 <@Dagmar> hehe
19:25 <@Dagmar> ...and this is NSFW but still... hilarious Twitter trolling http://imgur.com/gallery/rcQm5
19:25 < PigBot> Title: Never forget - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com) http://tinyurl.com/j5vt4kp
19:31 < _NSAKEY> That's pretty terrible.
19:45 <@RangerZ> so has anyone else noticed that a lot of book series are just 'skipped' 2015 entirely at least in the urban fantasy genre
19:45 <@RangerZ> s/are//
19:46 <@oddball> What do you mean?
19:47 <@oddball> As in not published this year?
19:48 <@Dagmar> I can't say I've noticed, no
19:49 <@oddball> same here
19:51 <@RangerZ> just a lot of series I read haven't published anything this year
19:52 <@RangerZ> Dresden Files, Mercy Thompson, etc... basically just Kate Daniels series is the only one who put out a book
19:53 <@RangerZ> then of course there is 'The Hollows' where no character ever has any emotional growth or change ever...
20:02 <@Dagmar> Neither were either of those on a rigid timetable that I've noticed
20:03 <@Dagmar> ...and that's not true.  Rachel no longer jumps at _every_ guy
20:03 <@Dagmar> heh
20:05 <@oddball> I'm guessing the authors have been busy doing other things... possibly including "enjoying counting his money" when it comes to Jim Butcher.
20:06 <@oddball> Or they could have been too busy dealing with blood pressure issues caused by the Sad Puppies/Hugos bullshit this year.
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20:18 <@RangerZ> oddball: ?
20:19 <@oddball> Oh, you missed that "fun" in the scifi/fantasy community?
20:20 <@RangerZ> yeah
20:20 <@RangerZ> ohh end of aug
20:20 <@oddball> The Hugos are awards given out at the WorldCon scifi con.  Kind of a big deal with old school scifi/fantasy fandom.
20:20 <@RangerZ> yeah... fuck i was busy writing proposals
20:20 <@RangerZ> yeah I know what they are
20:22 <@oddball> Some folks noticed that the last couple years of winners basically won because they touched on the "right" subject more than them being good books (oh! this is about the struggle of a black lesbian with one leg, etc)
20:24 <@Dagmar> "Noticed"?
20:24 <@oddball> They started something called the Sad Puppies a couple years ago to promote books that they thought were actually good/enjoyable books and some editors that they thought had been snubbed for several years (example: the head editor of Baen has never won a Hugo... probably because her politics are wrong)
20:25 <@Dagmar> Hell, we got to _watch_ the special snowflake committee willfully stuff ballots, and then throw a _tantrum_ when other people objected
20:26 <@Dagmar> If someone's voting for an author to win a Hugo because they're gay, or their primary protagonist is gay, or _anything other_ than the genuine quality of the fiction, then they should just fuck right off.
20:26 <@oddball> Well, the Sad Puppies started 3-4 years ago.  Nobody outside of that community noticed until this last year.
20:27 <@Dagmar> I find it incredibly disingenuous that the special snowflake committee went out of their way to claim the Sad Puppies were anything other than people devoted to voting based on the quality of the fiction
20:27 <@oddball> Of course, the folks that were voting because that author was gay, etc decided to do what the left does when they don't have an actual argument: they screamed that the the Sad Puppies were racist mysoginists.
20:28 <@oddball> Nevermind that the folks the Sad Puppies were promoting included women, and a variety of races.
20:28 <@RangerZ> so 'no award' was added to cancel that?
20:28 <@oddball> "no award" always existed.
20:28 <@RangerZ> or did they decided to bloc vote that
20:28 <@Dagmar> Well, 'No Award' made it hilariously obvious as to who was engaging in ballot stuffing
20:28 <@oddball> They bloc voted that.
20:28 <@Dagmar> The special snowflake committee were telling people who to vote for, and they panicked and told all their people to vote for No Award
20:29 <@Dagmar> ...which makes the claims the Sad Puppies had made that the previous years votes didn't mean shit, all the more valid
20:29 <@oddball> yep.  They decided that they would rather burn the awards to the ground than have the wrong people have a chance of winning.
20:29 <@Dagmar> This is why I'm now of the opinion that all SJws are cowardly little fuckwits
20:30 <@RangerZ> 'now' ?
20:30 <@oddball> heh
20:31 <@oddball> Oh, and the folks that are heading up the charge for the Sad Puppies next year are two women.
20:31 <@RangerZ> I pointed out to a Berkeley English bachelors degree holder that "You know... English is a 'speaker driven' language, so if that guy misunderstood you, then it is YOUR fault for being misunderstood"
20:31 <@RangerZ> she called me a "typical male"
20:31 <@oddball> Because... you know... mysoginists will clearly let women lead.
20:31 <@RangerZ> which was literally the first time in my life I think i've EVER been called "typical"
20:31 <@RangerZ> lol
20:31 <@RangerZ> and then blocked me on all social media
20:32 <@oddball> How open minded of her.
20:32 <@RangerZ> mind you this was a girl who slept in my apartment when she came to nashville to visit
20:32 <@RangerZ> not some random online 'friend'
20:32 <@oddball> Isn't pretty much any spoken language a "speaker driven" language?
20:32 <@RangerZ> no
20:32 <@RangerZ> Japanese in particular is Listener oriented
20:32 <@oddball> (hadn't heard that term before, just going by your definition)
20:33 <@RangerZ> it is up to the listener/reader to 'interpret' what the speaker/writer wrote
20:34 <@RangerZ> that (well along with Wright bros. and NASA) is why English is used as the international language for air and space
20:34 <@oddball> Well, at one point, it was English or Russian.
20:34 <@RangerZ> because it is KINDA IMPORTANT to not have to 'interpret' people when talking about pilots
20:35 <@RangerZ> Russia has similar issues, not 'as bad' as Japanese or Korean... but still
20:37 <@RangerZ> its such an important issue that the #1 thing that Korean Air did to change its "worst airline in the world" status ... was to use English in the plane, not korean ,because korean was leading to co-pilots not being able to tell the pilot that they were fucking up
20:37 <@RangerZ> worst because of like 4~5 crashes in like 18 months
20:37 <@oddball> huh
20:38 <@oddball> Was that a language issue, or a cultural one?
20:38 <@RangerZ> yes
20:38 <@RangerZ> both, because they are ingrained together
20:38 <@RangerZ> Korean, Japanese, etc have 'honorifics' which don't exist in English
20:39 <@oddball> true
20:39 <@RangerZ> and the co-pilots had to use those honorifics to address the pilot
20:39 <@RangerZ> and therefore couldn't say anything against them
20:40 <@RangerZ> because it is 'acceptable' for the pilot to _slap_ the co-pilot if he doesn't pay for his hotel room and dinner
20:40 <@RangerZ> let alone speak back to him
20:40 <@RangerZ> b/c of social norms/speech
20:40 <@RangerZ> advisors came in and were like [NOPE!!!]
20:41 <@RangerZ> Malcolm Gladdwell talks a lot about this in Outliers
20:41 <@RangerZ> I _highly_ recommend you get the audio book, he himself reads it
20:41 <@oddball> cool
20:42 <@RangerZ> like the fact that most professional hockey players in Canada are born in Jan/Feb
20:43 <@RangerZ> because Jan 1 is the cut off for hockey in grade school, so those in Jan/Feb have 11~12 months more growth
20:43 <@oddball> huh
20:44 <@RangerZ> so when you have 10 year olds playing together
20:44 <@oddball> right
20:44 <@RangerZ> a few months more growth matters
20:44 <@RangerZ> so they 'top' players are generally the 'older' kids
20:45 <@oddball> Sad thing about the Sad Puppies thing is that teh SJW types got the mass media to swallow their lies.
20:46 <@RangerZ> thats the thing, its 'not' lies
20:47 <@RangerZ> they aren't telling 'lies' at least not ones they don't believe
20:47 <@RangerZ> they honestly 'do' believe what they are saying
20:47 <@oddball> Would the term "fiction" work for you better?
20:47 <@oddball> or I guess dillusions?
20:48 <@RangerZ> yes, but my point was... that they sell it better
20:48 <@RangerZ> fanatics sell it better because they -believe it-
20:48 <@oddball> Well... that and there's a good portion of mass media that won't bother with fact checking.
20:48 <@RangerZ> lol
20:48 <@oddball> true
20:49 <@RangerZ> look at the GOP right now
20:49 <@RangerZ> two words
20:49 <@RangerZ> Trump & Cruz vs Bush & Kasich
20:49 <@RangerZ> well, two sets of two words
20:50 <@oddball> I'm still trying to figure out why people actually like Trump.
20:50 <@RangerZ> 1 & 2 vs... what 11 and 14th
20:50 <@RangerZ> they have been TRAINED TO
20:50 <@oddball> heh... fair enough
20:50 <@oddball> "he's a celebrity!"
20:50 <@Evilpig> "he hates them im-ee-grents like me"
20:51 <@RangerZ> "rich people are the job creators and know what they are talking about", "don't be 'pc'", "have authority", "don't take shit", "say the 'truth'"
20:51 <@RangerZ> the 'truth' being about 'hispanics', 'women', etc in their case
20:51 <@RangerZ> and lets not forget his talk about muslims
20:52 <@oddball> Of course, part of it is that I don't know anyone that does like him.  The conservatives I know are generally saying "what the fuck are we supposed to do come election time?  They're all crazy/losers."
20:53 <@Evilpig> I like this recent bit that hilary's been into chicks
20:53 <@Evilpig> and might have tackled more poon that bill
20:53 <@RangerZ> oddball: you don't associate with many bible-thumpers do you?
20:53 <@oddball> A couple
20:53 <@oddball> But not many
20:53 <@RangerZ> THEY love him
20:53 <@RangerZ> well.... somewhat
20:53 <@RangerZ> more going for cruz
20:54 <@oddball> Most of the conservatives that I know are more libertarian.
20:54 <@RangerZ> libertarians aren't real
20:54 <@RangerZ> stop teasing
20:54 <@RangerZ> they are just liberals who don't know better
20:54 <@RangerZ> lol ;)
20:55 <@RangerZ> but on to more important topics.... Everyone else "meh" about the new steam sale ?
20:56 <@oddball> I don't think I've actually looked at it.
20:56 <@RangerZ> you get 3 'cards' for looking through you 'personal queue'
20:56 <@RangerZ> like they are just calling it in
20:57 <@oddball> "yay"
20:57 <@RangerZ> plus... the sales itself
20:57 <@RangerZ> most games I'd want are .... in my collection... or still more expensive than I feel they are worth
20:58 <@oddball> Oh hey! GTAV is on sale for $36... or you can get it in the bargain bin for PS3 or XBox 360
20:58 <@oddball> Mad Max is supposed to be good.
20:59 <@oddball> Might pick up Witcher 3
20:59 <@RangerZ> I really liked TotalBiscuit's summary of Mad Max
21:00 <@RangerZ> "Its Open World the Open World game"
21:00 <@oddball> heh
21:00 <@RangerZ> basically its every trope from open world games
21:00 <@oddball> ah
21:02 <@RangerZ> think the new Assassin's creed games tropes of collecting things, etc... but with cars with guns
21:02 <@RangerZ> people either loved it or hated it
21:02 <@oddball> I can see that.
21:03 <@RangerZ> so I just heard an interesting thing
21:03 <@RangerZ> "if you took away the white-supremacists and racists from Trump, he would be in the single digits"
21:04 <@RangerZ> And I don't know how scientific that is, but I think it holds true
21:06 <@RangerZ> because I saw some #s about how white supremacists were going for trump
21:06 <@RangerZ> but that makes me sad... I really wish we didn't have that many in the US :/
21:08 <@Dagmar> Actually, I think it's probably a matter of "If you took away all the questionable polling methods"
21:09 <@Dagmar> I think they're basically calling registered republicans only
21:09 <@Dagmar> ...and perhaps biasing based on income
21:10 <@Dagmar> ...beause Trump is a fucking _moron_ and he's getting non-trivial polling numbers?
21:10 <@RangerZ> they are _purposely_ only poling registered republicans
21:10 <@Dagmar> That shit screams _faked_ to me
21:10 <@RangerZ> 'likely republican voters'
21:10 <@Dagmar> THey're trying to convince people that since _they_ think he's going to win, everyone should just vote for him anyway so that their vote won't be "wasted" on some dark horse
21:16 <@oddball> I'm really hoping that a higher up in the TN Republican party is right when he said "when it comes to actually voting, people are going to have their finger half an inch from punching the button for Trump, stop, say 'well, that was fun, but it's time to get serious,' and vote for someone else."
21:17 <@RangerZ> oddball: I don't know
21:17 <@oddball> I can hope
21:17 <@RangerZ> the 'problem' is that he probably has a college degree
21:17 <@RangerZ> and trump wins in a landslide with -uneducated- republicans
21:18 <@RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/kim-dotcom-to-be-finally-extradited-to-the-us-new-zealand-judge-rules/ you know... I keep on forgetting that -this- is still going on
21:18 < PigBot> Title: Kim Dotcom to be finally extradited to the US, New Zealand judge rules | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/j47pdkd
21:19 <@RangerZ> the entire thing is such a shit-show, that I have no idea if 1) he'll lose because the gov't will just make things up 2) he'll win b/c the gov't making things up will look stupid
21:19 <@RangerZ> 3) did I mention the gov't making things up ?
21:27 <@Dagmar> Oh don't worry, I suspect the current practice of "Oh well, we can't be bothered with the technicalities of mere _evidence_" will unravel rather quickly during the trial
21:27 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: The US government has engaged in so much over-reach in cases like that over the years.
21:27 < _NSAKEY> At this point, I always root for whoever they're trying to crush.
21:27 <@Dagmar> If they had _shit_ on him they would have said so long before now
21:28 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: If the federal prosecutors in Boston are involved, they're probably just trying to get another suicide under their belt.
21:28 <@RangerZ> so don't click this... 19 trackers and 23 ads on this page... my browser won't even display anything but a grey background... http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/219859-samsung-globalfoundries-to-fab-next-gen-amd-gpus-apus
21:28 < PigBot> Title: Samsung, GlobalFoundries to fab next-gen AMD GPUs, APUs | ExtremeTech (at www.extremetech.com) http://tinyurl.com/ju263jm
21:28 < _NSAKEY> They seem to care more about getting defendants to kill themselves than getting convictions.
21:29 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: AMD is still going to get left in the dust for real work, unless they're finally scrapping their 2012 architecture and giving it meaningful updates.
21:30 < _NSAKEY> Anyway, I'm hoping Kim Dotcom flees.
21:30 <@RangerZ> nah
21:31 <@RangerZ> that alone would 'prove' his guilt
21:31 <@Dagmar> not enough to convict hm
21:31 <@RangerZ> it would be enough to convict him of fleeing
21:31 <@RangerZ> and that probably is what they would do
21:32 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Like the made-up rape case against Assange was "proven" by the fact that he's been hiding out in an embassy for the last few years?
21:32 <@Dagmar> The only way he's going to see the inside of a cell for any period of time is when after they bring him here they lock him up as a "flight risk" and then take eight years to pull their heads out of their asses
21:33 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: basically
21:34 <@RangerZ> the fact they forced a HEAD OF STATE's plane to land and be searched looking for snowden
21:34 < _NSAKEY> That was a hilarious fake-out.
21:34 < _NSAKEY> I'm glad Snowden is getting away with everything he did.
21:35 <@Dagmar> yeah that was hilarious
21:35 < _NSAKEY> I just wish all the docs had been published at once.
21:35 <@Dagmar> one _can't_ publish everything at once
21:35 <@RangerZ> so MSNBC actually talking about encryption and mentioned the crypto wars of the 90s
21:36 <@Dagmar> If you do that, then the opposition will get exclusivity on the media's ears and be able to spin the tale any damn way they like
21:36 <@RangerZ> the evening block on there is about the only shows worth watching anymore :/
21:49 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: What did they say about it? Was it actually sensible coverage?
21:50 <@RangerZ> yes
21:50 <@RangerZ> talking about Tim Cooke saying how "if you put a back door in, the bad guys will use it too"
21:50 <@RangerZ> among other things
21:51 <@RangerZ> basically there is "no middle ground" when it comes to encryption
21:51 <@Dagmar> One of the heavy proponents of this bill should be before a judge explaining why the fuck she can't live by her own rules
21:51 < _NSAKEY> What pisses me off about this version of the crypto wars is how the anti-crypto idiots are taking the things they like about regular https and pretending they also apply to full disk encryption and to to end-to-end encryption.
21:51 <@Dagmar> Fuck Clinton and her bullshit private mail server
21:52 < _NSAKEY> https only encrypts in transit, and the provider can of course decrypt.
21:52 <@Dagmar> People should be yelling back at them "You don't know enough to have a meaningful opinion on the matter"
21:52 < _NSAKEY> FDE is all about encryption at rest, and backdooring that would be bad.
21:52 < _NSAKEY> I thought Lindsey Graham demanding that Apple change its business model was funny.
21:52 <@Dagmar> They're fucking morons.  Every last one of them.
21:53 <@Dagmar> More people should be willing to say so to the press.
21:53 < _NSAKEY> They're the most valuable company in the history of mankind. He needs to go change his depends and go back to playing shuffleboard.
21:53 < _NSAKEY> Because armchair quarterbacking the money-making strategy of Apple of just hopelessly idiotic.
21:54 < _NSAKEY> If the feds didn't swing the pendulum so hard in favor of mass-spying on everyone, they wouldn't have such resistance.
21:54 < _NSAKEY> As it stands, I hope that if some sort of law IS passed, that Apple and Google say "We're not obeying it, and we're too big for you to do anything about it."
21:55 < _NSAKEY> It's not like the US believes in actually punishing companies in any meaningful way anymore.
22:01 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/679506175239532545
22:01 < PigBot> Title: Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "When I said that Hillary Clinton got schlonged by Obama, it meant got beaten badly. The media knows this. Often used word in politics!" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/hz6o7gd
22:01 < _NSAKEY> See, Trump DOES have a sense of going too far.
22:04 <@Dagmar> Well, yeah... That word got used a lot when Lewinsky got schlonged by the other Clinton
22:06 < _NSAKEY> But, but Dagmar... Clinton didn't have sex with her... The cigar did.
22:07 < _NSAKEY> Remember our former glorious leader's famous quote. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
22:07 < _NSAKEY> It's only possibly outshined by his other memorable quote: "I did not inhale."
22:25 <@Dagmar> eoe
22:25 <@Dagmar> er wow
22:25 <@Dagmar> OKay.  I _might_ actually publish some LPs for Elite
22:26 <@Dagmar> I'm watching this one video, and this dude is heading for an extraction site which is in the _rings of a planet_ and he appears to do not understand these rings are made of VERY LARGE ROCKS
22:27 <@Dagmar> This is like watching a zombie survival game and hearing the player say "Zombies dont eat _people_ do they?"
22:27 <@Dagmar> What does he _think_ they're extracting resources from... empty space?
22:28 <@Dagmar> It's no wonder I was mowing through other players like Andre the Giant in a school playground
22:28 <@Dagmar> oh god
22:29 <@Dagmar> The guy starts firing from a ridiculous distance away
22:29 <@Dagmar> Good thing it's clearly some bots he's shooting t
22:32 <@Dagmar> You know... _some_ people would probably realize that to get the shields to regen faster, maybe they shouldn't be completely the _lowest_ priority thing for the power grid.
22:32 <@Dagmar> Like, holy shit
22:33 <@Dagmar> He's got the fuckin' words "CANNON: OUT OF RANGE" "PULSE LASER: OUT OF RANGE" on his -screen- (that's new) and was firing away anyhow
22:33 <@Dagmar> Oh god I hope he dies
22:34 <@Dagmar> If he manages to tag one of the federals, I'm going to get my wish
22:36 <@Dagmar> This just... _really_ explains a lot
22:36 <@Dagmar> Apparently I actually _was_ killing a bunch of really inept players
22:40 <@Dagmar> I've seen enough
22:41 <@Dagmar> I'm just going to skip ahead to the part where he smashes himself into the hull of the station
22:42 <@Dagmar> Okay... assuming he doesn't blaze past the nav marker on the third pass
22:49 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Did you find yourself playing near a bunch of normals?
22:53 <@Dagmar> Apparently _always_
22:54 <@Dagmar> It's not without reason I wound up with the largest ship possible in about a week
22:54 <@Dagmar> I understand things like matching speed
22:54 <@Dagmar> *shrug*
22:54 <@Dagmar> Heheh and "don't get in my way when I'm docking"
22:54 <@Dagmar> lol
22:55 <@Dagmar> Little fuckers liked to camp the lane in...so I just got into the habit of coming _screaming_ into the hangar
22:58 <@Dagmar> So... the Juniper backdoor was "<<< %s(un='%s') = %u"
22:58 <@Dagmar> Weird
23:02 <@Dagmar> If I start playing this again I'm going to probably be rubbercoating my controller grip this weekend
23:03 < _NSAKEY> That was one of two backdoors.
23:04 < _NSAKEY> If anyone here has a vulnerable Juniper netscreen appliance, I'd love to cut that loose on PN's CTF network next year.
23:09 <@RangerZ> fuck that... all you need an old IP3
23:10 < _NSAKEY> >
23:10 < _NSAKEY> ?
23:16 < dfused> ^
23:16 <@RangerZ> IP3 is a company that made managed routers years ago
23:17 <@RangerZ> they straight up -stole- the code from other companies
23:17 <@RangerZ> and then got "bought out" after a legal battle by .... i forget who... another manf.
23:17 <@RangerZ> half the hotels in the US use them for their routers though
23:18 <@RangerZ> b/c they were _so much_ cheaper than 'real' equipment
23:23 <@RangerZ> funny thing is.... my google-fu is fucked right now... can't even find _anything_ about the lawsuits or anything
23:24 <@RangerZ> http://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4012503.html
23:24 < PigBot> Title: IP3 Networks Launches NetAccess Internet Gateway for the Hospitality Market (at www.hospitalitynet.org) http://tinyurl.com/hevpqlv
23:24 <@RangerZ> found some
23:36 <@Dagmar> Fuuuck
23:36 <@Dagmar> THere was a pwipe
23:36 <@Dagmar> Oh well.
23:36 <@Dagmar> I know what the fuck I'm doing so this won't take as long.  heh
23:38 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFYoGVgD4A hahahaha
23:38 < PigBot> Title: Woman Caught Screaming Support For ISIS During Sex? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j63gl8s
23:38 <@RangerZ> 82 year old lady said the 'noisy neighbors' were saying pro-isis talk during the sex
23:41 <@Dagmar> Where the fuck did this thing squirrel itself away to?
23:42 <@Dagmar> Fuck it
23:42 <@Dagmar> I'll just let Steam reinstall the damn thing
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