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06:44 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:03  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:35 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Wow.  This cartoon was made for you.  http://aboveaverage.com/someecards-hr/?utm_source=keywee&utm_medium=Keyaboveaverage&utm_campaign=keyweeAA&kwp_0=73838#.yiwkszw:pjII
08:36 < aestetix> so
08:36 < aestetix> PhreakNIC 20.... Subgenius Devival?
08:37 <@Evilpig> aestetix: that was brought up before but the guy that was supposed to arrange it is useless at planning
08:37 < aestetix> Evilpig: you mean jonnyx?
08:38 <@Dolemite> Amazing that he didn't have to mention a name and you knew exactly who he was talking about
08:38 < aestetix> I think that was telepathy or something
08:38 <@Dolemite> Yes, you are telepathetic
08:39 < aestetix> Does that mean every time I have an idea, Evilpig fails at something?
08:40 < aestetix> So if I spend an hour on wikipedia, Evilpig will never have a date again
08:41 <@Dolemite> No, it means that every time Evilpig masturbates, you get teabagged in your dreams
08:41 <@Dolemite> It's gonna be a loooooooong night
08:41 <@crash180> That reminds me. I need to buy some more honey for my tea
08:43 < aestetix> Dolemite: that would explain a lot
08:43 < aestetix> Dolemite: you'd think Evilpig could only go a round or two every night.... but damn.
08:44 < aestetix> At least he seems to take an hour break for the 2600 meetings
08:44 <@Dolemite> Why do you think I'm always trying to get him to work on openDCIM?  He still can't code one handed.
08:46 < aestetix> Dolemite: he could ask Corydon to take over for him for a little bit so he could focus on the code.
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09:13 <@oddball> Evilpig was actually not there at Friday's meeting.
09:15 <@oddball> Also, I think jonnyx might be taking his ball and going home.  He stepped down as a board member Friday, and I think he made some noise about a sinking ship.
09:17 <@Dolemite> Sinking ship?  That's hilarious.  If anything the bilge pump finally got turned on.
09:17 <@oddball> yep
09:17 <@Dolemite> That ship's not in the cleear, but at least it's not sinking any further.
09:17 <@Dolemite> s/cleear/clear
09:17 <@oddball> Not only did we come out in the black this year, but we managed to pay off the debt we had from last year.
09:19 <@Evilpig> oddball: yeah I was thinking about going and dagmar offered to pick me up, but I came home and sat down for just a minute and woke up two hours later
09:19 <@Dolemite> Now to just get back to the point where there's no dependency on sponsors to pull it off.
09:19 <@Evilpig> I don't think there is one
09:19 <@oddball> Evilpig: heh.. oops.
09:19 <@Dolemite> Sponsors are good for extras...  but should never be needed for the basic conference itself
09:20 <@oddball> Dolemite: The only "sponsor" we had this year was Andrew... because of that debt from last year.
09:20 <@Dolemite> right
09:21 <@Dolemite> but that's what got the organization into this mess... the idea that you needed sponsors to make it all magically happen, rather than figuring out how to be thrifty and resourceful
09:21 <@Evilpig> no no no no
09:21 <@Evilpig> what got the organization into this mess was dru signing a contract for something the organization couldn't afford on its own
09:21 <@Dolemite> That, too
09:21 <@oddball> I seem to remember there being a sponsor called "Dolemite's credit card" when you were in charge. :p
09:22 <@Dolemite> oddball: As tongue in cheek, yes.
09:22 <@Dolemite> But that was only the first year
09:22 <@Dolemite> After that I had established credit for the organization
09:22 <@oddball> ah
09:22 <@Dolemite> Once we incorporated, my credit card had nothing to do with it
09:23 <@Dolemite> But year one, yes, I fronted the money for the conference and paid myself back from what was taken in, then put the rest into the first bank account the organization had
09:24 <@oddball> right
09:24 <@Dolemite> The whole point of that being that there should never be a need for an individual to bear the financial burden of producing the conference
09:25 <@Evilpig> and there hasn't been that except for last year
09:25 <@Dolemite> Correct
09:25 <@Dolemite> But part of what Jonnyx had been dreaming about was having lots of sponsors
09:25 <@oddball> When the financials were finally released, they were extremely damning.
09:25 <@Dolemite> selling his soul to the highest bidder
09:26 <@Evilpig> yes he was, and when I was around I kept asking why.  what is the purpose of them, and that question couldn't ever be answered
09:26 <@oddball> He also wanted to go back to it being a donation run con... which just doesn't work.
09:26 <@Dolemite> Not with any level of consistency
09:26 <@Evilpig> he also wanted to crowdsource the funding, part of that donation run
09:27 <@Evilpig> let's just leave it with he had alot of ideas, but very few if any good ones
09:27 <@Dolemite> Hey, if some dude can get 6-figures for making some potato salad, imagine what a hacker con can do!
09:31 <@oddball> See... the kickstarter/gofundme might have been good, but those that were for it wouldn't get off their asses and do anything.  They'd rather argue that we needed an explicit code of conduct.
09:31 <@oddball> Of course, a gofundme for a conference can also be a black eye.  People could construe it as "it's dying, and they're begging for money."
09:37 <@Dolemite> Yep
09:41 < Healix> I clearly am an outsider to the convention and its inner workings, but i saw no shortage of people willing to buy stuff (T-shirts) i could see further merchandizing occuring. Maybe a sponsor who gives 10% on product they sale while there
09:42 < aestetix> Dolemite: you could ask r0ckit about that
09:42 <@oddball> Yeah... we've talked about maybe investing in merch other than t-shirts.
09:43 < Healix> i could even see like a workshop about idk, something like setting up a Raspberry pi for X and then you can also buy your own at a table with a book of 100 projects or something
09:43 < Healix> just spitballing
09:44 <@oddball> I think we've toyed with the idea of having vendor tables in the past.
09:44 <@oddball> The current hotel is jsut too small to also have them, though.
09:46 <@Dolemite> We've had an open invitation to vendors in the past, with very few takers
09:46 <@Dolemite> Unfortunately the dominant culture of the attendees was such that "information needs to be free!" so they'd go download it rather than buying it
09:47 <@oddball> yep
09:47 < Healix> true @Dolemite, but coupled with h/w and it benefits the show maybe a few takers
09:47 < Healix> im thinking the sweatshirts would be easier to sale if they were at the show.
09:48 <@oddball> Well, and to actually push them on the website.
09:48 <@Dolemite> The problem with vending is that it takes a lot of effort to get your inventory to the conference and set it up.  Then you end up missing the conference itself because you have to man your table.  It takes a lot of sales to make that worth it.
09:48 <@oddball> The hoodies were kind of a last minute decision this year.
09:49 <@Dolemite> Now doing a cafepress style of selling is easy, though...   pre-order custom printed nearly anything and it will be there to pick up at the conference
09:49 < Healix> thats true @Dolemite, i was thinking not so outside vendor level, but more in house. Like pair something h/w related with a workshop.
09:49 <@Dolemite> But if you start branching out on pre-printed goods, that's when there's financial risk
09:49 < Healix> Like the conference offers it
09:50 <@Dolemite> Healix: Yeah, I know what you mean - like a pre-registration only, limited seats session such as "R-Pi Hacking" where the hardware is included
09:53 < aestetix> FUCKING BABIES
09:53 < aestetix> FUCKING CRYING RIGHT OUTSIDE THE WINDOW
09:53 <@Dagmar> Put a sign in your window that says "Fresh Baby Meat: 48c per pound"
09:55 <@Dagmar> cloudbud: ##tomcat probably
09:55 < Healix> oh thats a great idea to, to sale it before hand, then you assume no financial risk becuase they pay, if they don't show up oh well
10:04 <@Dagmar> ...or we could just provide links for people to go buy the things themselves.
10:05 <@Dagmar> Not even sure it's worth bothering with a referral credit over things that are $5-$30 in volumes of "about 1-2 dozen"
10:06 <@Dagmar> "For this session, you will need the following: 1 reliable microSD card, at least 4Gb or larger, and one RPi B+, RPi 2, or RPi Zero"
10:06 <@Dagmar> "Also one microUSB cable"
10:09 <@Dagmar> GAM002: Unless it's a Windows OS, they're probably false positives
10:09 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
10:10 <@oddball> The problem is that you *will* get folks that will show up without their shit and then complain/want a refund.
10:11 < Healix> screen -d
10:11 <@Dagmar> That's _very_ their problem
10:12 <@oddball> See... you say that.
10:13 <@Dagmar> Well, consdering that RPis are $5 we could just have 4-5 of them handy for the careless without much risk
10:13 <@Dagmar> ...well, the RPi Zero is anyway
10:13 <@oddball> Yeah, there's that.
10:13 <@oddball> They're getting down to the "is this in our price range for swag?" price point.
10:20 <@Evilpig> true
10:27 <@Dagmar> We should kill Santa for Christmas
10:27 <@Evilpig> then grind his bones and snort them?
10:27 <@Dagmar> ...or, more appropriately, the TSA and DHS should.
10:28 <@Evilpig> http://john-constantines-spells.tumblr.com/post/108220407398/constantine-grinding-st-nicholass-bones-into
10:28 <@Dagmar> Some strange foreign national shows up at the border with a large suspicious package they didn't personally pack and can't readily enumerate what's in it or where it's going?
10:28 <@Dagmar> That shit's going straight to the bomb squad for controlled demolition
10:29 <@Dagmar> 'spesh with that large _beard_
10:30 <@Dagmar> One he starts telling them he got there using _flying reindeer_ and tries to argue "But i'm Santa!" he's resisting arrest and the local police will gun him down
10:34 < aestetix> When is Corydon coming back here?
10:41 <@Dolemite> when you leave
10:44 < aestetix> awww did he say that?
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12:04 <@Dolemite> Ok, here's some irony
12:04 <@Dolemite> Peaches Corner is the name of a diner in Myrtle Beach, SC.
12:04 <@Dolemite> It is adjacent to the Gay Dolphin Gift Cove
12:55 < _NSAKEY> I don't see anything wrong with sponsors, as long as they're used responsibly.
12:56 < _NSAKEY> For example, if some company wants to donate $500 so we can give a better grade of swag to attendees, that's great.
12:59 < _NSAKEY> Or another example... NotLarry tried to put together a pig roast at the last minute this year. If someone or some company wanted to sponsor that, I see no problem there.
13:00 < _NSAKEY> We still have the pig roaster. In fact, it somehow made it out of Elonka's garage and do the hotel. We all just went, "Ooo, boxes. Get them into someone's car."
13:01 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: the pig roast costs about $1000 to pull off
13:01 < _NSAKEY> My understanding was that even if there had been enough lead time to adequately get everything together, it still would have been expensive.
13:02 <@Evilpig> that covers the cost of the pig, the supplies to cook it, plus extra bbq and sides from a vender to cover up to 100 people
13:02 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, and there's absolutely no way we could have done that this year unless someone stepped up and said, "I will sugar daddy you guys on this one."
13:02 <@Evilpig> that's how it happened the previous few times
13:02 <@Evilpig> I sponsored it one year, dink did one year
13:02 <@Evilpig> I might have done it two years actually
13:03 < _NSAKEY> I was one of the people who moved the pig roaster to the hotel, and had no clue what the boxes for it were until Ben told me well after they had already been moved to the hotel.
13:03 < _NSAKEY> In fact, I think the boxes for it went in my truck as part of the trip I made to move things to the hotel.
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13:51 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Yes, you sponsored the pig twice
13:52 <@Evilpig> I had the cash to do it again this past year but it was just too short notice to really do it
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15:15 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: If you do it again this year, we should call it something like Wilpig's Totally Not Cannibalistic Pig Roast.
15:32 <@Evilpig> oddball: https://www.instagram.com/p/-9ZOYXRKP7/
15:36 <@crash180> lol
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18:24 <@Dagmar> Dmanit.  Why couldn't I have been the first person to put this on FB
18:24 <@Dagmar> http://www.theonion.com/article/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac-30860
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18:54 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: nice
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19:38 <@Evilpig> rad scorpion + legendary albino rad scorpion + glowing deathclaw.  stand back and chuck grenades into that mix and hope the victor comes out and low hp
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20:08 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Oh hell yes.  I have _no_ problems with standing around waiting for nasty stuff like that to kill each other for the right to attack me first
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20:10 <@Dagmar> pewpau: As accurate as someone wanting an answer over IRC deserves, to be sure
20:19 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: huh?
20:19 <@RangerZ> that might be MT
20:19 <@Dagmar> Yup
20:29 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: http://perlgeek.de/en/article/set-up-a-clean-utf8-environment
20:30 <@RangerZ> I figured it was utf-8 ... fucking bane of my existence sometimes... lol
20:31 < _NSAKEY> Awww, don't help him fix it. I'm starting to find Dagmar's out of context snark funny.
20:43 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Actually I am pretty sure that page is for setting up things exactly as I *don't* want htem
20:43 <@Dagmar> I want this unicode shit to stop
22:18 <@RangerZ> see if unicode is 'on' ?
22:18 <@RangerZ> I'd just alternate it, b/c unless you have emoji/etc turned on, you'll just get random characters shown to you NOT the emoji
22:20 <@oddball> http://tinyurl.com/jg8w4f7
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22:31 <@Dagmar> oddball: o.O
22:32 <@Dagmar> That's an impressive level of drugs.
22:32 <@oddball> I thought so.
22:32 <@Dagmar> It generally takes at least three hits of LSD to make those kinds of decisions
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22:36 <@Dagmar> Doing some digging around, it appears he's gotten off on that exact basis
22:36 <@Dagmar> Not even the "victim" was particularly convinced he was looking to do anything to her
22:36 <@Dagmar> heh
22:36 <@Dagmar> http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/01/ex-lawyer-sneaked-into-womans-bedroom-in-purple-g-string-while-high-on-meth-and-thought-she-was-a-panda-5536897/
22:36 <@Dagmar> The story just gets better with more details.  Heh
22:40 <@Dagmar> ‘I had taken some drugs but I am pretty certain that’s what I saw, I didn’t see any woman, I didn’t see any kids… were they under the panda?’
22:42 <@Dagmar> If you ran the dpkg-configure thing, those permissions should have been taken care of
22:42 <@Dagmar> @#$%$#@%
23:19 < aestetix> you know
23:19 < aestetix> it would be funny to run a Dagmar rantbot against a Linus rantbot
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