--- Log opened Sat Nov 28 00:00:17 2015 02:44 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 05:08 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNk7G3kw2oc 05:56 <@RangerZ> so PSA: Apparently Google Maps has added back in local caching of map data. you have to open Maps app, and then go to Menu-> 'offline areas' -> add 05:56 <@Dagmar> LOL 05:57 <@Dagmar> I just opened it up... and a different screen than usual appeared 05:57 <@RangerZ> they -had- it years ago... and then got rid of it and made it an easter egg feature which sucked... and now added it -back- 05:57 <@Dagmar> "Download an area to get directions offline" 05:57 <@Dagmar> "Downloads may take up to 400mb of your 1,511mb available storage. They happen in the background over Wi-Fi while you're doing other things" 05:57 <@Dagmar> ...and a big blue button that says "DOWNLOAD HOME AREA" 05:58 <@Dagmar> Shit like this is why I have faith in Google 05:59 <@RangerZ> oh wow... they let you stores HUGE parts of states... I can store 2/3rds of Ohio in 1550 MB 05:59 <@Dagmar> ...now if this cached data will apply to all consumers of maps 05:59 <@RangerZ> it will 05:59 <@RangerZ> that's what I used it for, b/c navigation uses the cache 05:59 <@Dagmar> Well, I'll have to do some running around with Ingress and see if it reduces it's data consumption 06:00 <@RangerZ> does ingress 'use' google maps? 06:00 <@Dagmar> Yes. 06:00 <@RangerZ> I thought they ran their own proprietary shit 06:00 <@RangerZ> ahh *shrugs* 06:00 <@Dagmar> No, they're using the Maps API for their map data 06:01 <@Dagmar> Apparently the S2 region around my house that covers the entire 440 loop and then some is only 51mb 06:01 <@RangerZ> we've looked at the map data 06:01 <@RangerZ> they use a vector based system for coordinates 06:01 <@RangerZ> pretty impressive actually 06:02 <@Dagmar> It's the only sane way to store it 06:02 <@Dagmar> ...and it's pretty damn cacheable 06:04 <@RangerZ> there, just cut our ting.com bills in half ;) lol 06:04 <@RangerZ> and honestly, I'm sure google is happy to not have to feed us the data all the time over and over too 06:05 <@Dagmar> Between Ingress and Nav I was burning a gigabyte of data a month, easily 06:05 <@Dagmar> ...and the majority of that was just street map data. 06:05 <@RangerZ> apparently this hit nov 10th 06:05 <@RangerZ> or at least news of it 06:06 <@Dagmar> This will make _lots_ of Ingress users ecstatic 06:06 <@Dagmar> ...assuming it applies device-wide 06:06 <@RangerZ> all of Cinci + surrounding areas, 113 MB, Columbus 106 MB, Louisvill 98MB, Nashville 58MB 06:06 <@RangerZ> hm... 06:06 <@RangerZ> I think fucking nashville needs some more god damn roads... to help with traffic 06:06 <@RangerZ> lol 06:06 <@RangerZ> fuck... Youngstown is 70MB 06:07 <@Dagmar> Well, yeah, but mainly what it'll take is more rich politicians living somewhere other than Brentwood 06:10 <@RangerZ> pretty sure uber uses maps API too, as does a lot of stuff 06:10 <@RangerZ> so this might -really- help with a lot of data 06:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah if it's a common cache pool it'll be pure awesome 06:12 <@RangerZ> speed of moving around is easiest way to tell what is cached and what isn't on maps 06:12 <@RangerZ> I'd assume same lack of latency would exist in apps using the cache too 06:13 <@Dagmar> I just expect the local ingressers to notice a difference right away 06:17 <@RangerZ> [Google Maps had previously allowed smartphone owners to cache a small area of its maps by typing “OK Maps” into the search field.] 06:17 <@RangerZ> yeah, that was the easter-egg way of doing it when they took the feature away 06:20 <@RangerZ> [first previewed these new capabilities during Google I/O in May,].... apparently I missed this... 06:21 -!- rattle [~rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 06:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 06:29 < aestetix> rattle: did you have a chance to look at the policy? 06:43 <@rattle> Nope. Sorry. 06:44 <@rattle> Or, I should say I only glanced over it, but did not actually read it. 06:50 < aestetix> typical activist :p 06:51 <@rattle> I'm not an activist. I'm just a typical citizen. 06:54 <@RangerZ> he has a job 06:54 <@RangerZ> how can he be an activist 06:54 < aestetix> lol 06:54 < aestetix> you mean a job that does not consist of complaining on "social media" 06:55 < aestetix> RangerZ: you should look at our policy and see if Nashville city hall might adopt something similar 06:55 <@RangerZ> aestetix: if you want a great microcosm of 'journalism' and its impact, look into the history of 'gamer gate' 06:55 < aestetix> no 06:55 < aestetix> god no 06:55 <@RangerZ> and its continuing repercussions 06:56 <@RangerZ> Actually, I think you could gain a lot from it, from the POV of 'identities' 06:56 < aestetix> not touching it 06:56 <@RangerZ> lol 06:56 <@RangerZ> that's no fun 06:56 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Not even with a heaping dose of flammable material? 06:56 < aestetix> you do realize what will happen within like a minute of saying anything about it 06:56 < aestetix> lol 06:56 < _NSAKEY> Everyone/thing regarding gamergate just needs to burn. 06:57 <@Dagmar> I can't really disagree. 06:57 <@RangerZ> if you say -anything- about it, you are basically shit-listed by a lot of 'the internet' 06:57 <@RangerZ> unless you 'hate' it 06:58 <@Dagmar> Gamergate had a legitimate purpose, but so much bullshit and lies have been flung around that situation is utterly unrecoverable 06:58 < aestetix> however 06:58 < aestetix> I do think you could find similarities between gamergate and "the yale problem" 06:58 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I dug into that nightmare when it was still somewhat fresh. You're absolutely right. 06:59 < _NSAKEY> That girl who it was all started over was basically another crazypants. 06:59 <@RangerZ> gamergate had a point before it was 'called' gamergate 06:59 < aestetix> what was her name 06:59 < aestetix> I can't remember 06:59 <@RangerZ> as soon as it became a political whipping boy by the right wing, it lost its viability 06:59 < aestetix> she was the journalist who slept with a gamer or something right? 06:59 <@RangerZ> 'something' 06:59 <@RangerZ> she's getting a movie now 07:00 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: If I recall, that was basically impossible to verify one way or another. 07:00 <@RangerZ> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/gamergate-movie-works-amy-pascal-837962 07:00 < aestetix> amy pascal? 07:00 < aestetix> I don't recognize that name 07:00 < _NSAKEY> But the original accusation was that she was sleeping with journalists for good reviews. 07:00 <@RangerZ> http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/6/9684940/scarlett-johansson-gamergate-movie-amy-pascal-zoe-quinn 07:00 < aestetix> zoe quinn sounds right 07:00 <@RangerZ> amy pascal is the producer 07:00 < _NSAKEY> Wait, does Amy Pascal work for Sony? 07:00 <@Dagmar> Every situation can be made worse with a bunch of lies in movie format 07:00 < _NSAKEY> THAT name looks familiar. 07:01 <@RangerZ> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1166871/ 07:01 < _NSAKEY> I was right. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-hack-amy-pascal-scott-756438 07:02 <@RangerZ> she is one of the 'in' female producers now, making the all female ghostbusters and new spiderman 07:02 <@Dagmar> It's not going to bother me in the least to ignore those productions 07:03 <@RangerZ> she's not doing any 'work' for the new spiderman 07:03 <@RangerZ> the head of marvel is the exec. producer and is basically doing it for free 07:03 <@RangerZ> "you fucks can't make a good spiderman movie... so I'm going to have to" 07:03 <@RangerZ> "because we need him for civil war" 07:04 <@RangerZ> since he, iron-man, and capt. america are basically the 3 main figures in the damn story 07:17 < aestetix> What I don't get 07:18 < aestetix> Why do they need an all female ghostbusters? 07:18 < aestetix> Why can't they just create a new movie with all women? 07:18 <@RangerZ> ohh it gets 'better' 07:18 <@RangerZ> we're getting 2 ghostbuster movies 07:18 <@RangerZ> 1 male 1 female 07:18 < aestetix> what 07:19 < aestetix> why? 07:19 <@RangerZ> no clue 07:19 <@Dagmar> So they can both flop 07:19 <@RangerZ> the female one has a bunch of actresses who are suppose to be funny 07:20 <@RangerZ> but I don't care for the one (she always plays loud annoying fat females) 07:20 <@RangerZ> Kristen Wiig, Melissa McCarthy, Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones 07:20 <@RangerZ> Melissa McCarthy is the one that I don't care for, but most people love 07:26 < aestetix> here this will cheer you up 07:26 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvZEhjbx4uo 07:34 -!- rattle [~rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:45 -!- Shadow405 is now known as Shadow404 07:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 09:10 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTgFP3xZeI 09:10 <@RangerZ> [Apple iPhone 7 Reportedly Ditching 3.5mm Jack For Lightning Connection] lol 09:10 <@RangerZ> wow... that's a dick move if I've ever heard of one 09:11 < dfused> very 09:12 <@RangerZ> I don't care how much it saves them in BOM cost, etc 09:12 <@RangerZ> a DAC being in the headphones instead of inside the phone... is such a cop out way of doing it 09:13 <@RangerZ> of an adapter... 09:15 < dfused> typical apple move though 09:17 <@RangerZ> poor woz 09:17 <@RangerZ> he must sleep at night tossing and turning in his pile of hundred dollar bills woven into sheets, mattresses, and pillows 09:28 < dfused> yeah...rich ppl problems 10:23 < aestetix> wait 10:23 < aestetix> Apple is changing the iphone plug again? 10:24 < aestetix> oh jesus 10:24 < aestetix> so you'll need to buy an adaptor 10:27 <@Catonic> manilla 10:29 < aestetix> so Apple is basically tossing out all normal standards in favor of proprietary ones 10:38 -!- rattle [~rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 10:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 10:38 <@Catonic> yup 10:39 <@Catonic> it's expected. 10:39 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-44-4.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: rebootin'] 10:54 -!- rattle [~rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] --- Log opened Sat Nov 28 11:13:59 2015 11:13 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96.80.184.101] has joined #se2600 11:13 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 40 nicks [18 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 11:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 11:14 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 10 secs 11:14 -!- rattle [~rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] --- Log closed Sat Nov 28 11:15:34 2015 --- Log opened Sat Nov 28 11:15:39 2015 11:15 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96.80.184.101] has joined #se2600 11:15 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 40 nicks [17 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 23 normal] 11:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 11:15 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 1 secs 11:15 <@Evilpig> well isn't that a motherfucker? that new switch I bought about two months ago just died 11:29 * dfused slams his head against the desk 11:29 < dfused> fucking pf rules 11:39 < dfused> oh ffs..... wasnt pf. was routing. 11:39 <@Evilpig> i'm fighting nut being a dick right now 11:39 < dfused> nut .....dick..... 11:39 <@Evilpig> pretty sure it's just a case of time being out of sync 11:39 < dfused> somethingon your mind? 11:39 <@Evilpig> Broadcast message from nut@hosting.wilpig.org (Sat Nov 28 11:39:10 2015): 11:39 <@Evilpig> Communications with UPS cps@localhost established 11:39 <@Evilpig> Broadcast message from nut@hosting.wilpig.org (Sat Nov 28 11:39:30 2015): 11:39 <@Evilpig> Communications with UPS cps@localhost lost 11:41 < dfused> how is that time sync ? looks right 11:42 < dfused> hurray....firewall changes working...now to finish server build 11:43 < dfused> working on a sat = awesomeness 11:43 <@Evilpig> it does that when the time gets out of sync between the vm host an the hosting vm 11:43 < dfused> ahh.. 11:43 < dfused> so make one machine auth and all point to it ? 11:44 <@Evilpig> that's what I need to do. my vm host needs to be replaced too. that motherboard is about gone and time on it drifts without help 11:46 < dfused> i need to pick up another one of those poweredge 2950 refubs 11:46 < dfused> refurbs 11:46 <@Evilpig> about to put on pants too and run out to get a backup switch while I get this other fixed under warranty 11:47 <@Evilpig> I should have expected this from dlink though. 11:47 < dfused> fing dlink 11:51 < aestetix> what about penis@wilpig.org 11:59 < aestetix> this should be fun 11:59 < aestetix> aws offers a year long free trial for ec2 and database 11:59 < aestetix> time to post a project I've been working on :) 12:54 < _NSAKEY> dfused: At least you're dealing with pf and not iptables. 12:59 < aestetix> or ipchains 13:00 < _NSAKEY> ipchains was already phased out and not recommended by the time I started using Linux. 13:00 < _NSAKEY> I haven't given myself an excuse to mess with pf very many times, but when I have it's been a fairly nice experience. 13:45 <@Shadow404> its funny, as my new computer gets closer and closer to the ship date, my old computer acts up more and more each day 13:46 <@Shadow404> i think the hard drive is showing signs of dying, not clicking or anything yet, but lots of just random irregularities 13:47 < aestetix> Shadow404: do you have a mac? 13:47 < aestetix> Apparently there is evidence that Mac OS deliberately gets shittier right before a new system comes out 13:47 <@Shadow404> heh 13:47 <@Shadow404> no, no mac 13:47 <@Evilpig> that's been said about ios as well 13:47 <@Shadow404> not one mac thing in this house other than kim's ancient ipod 13:49 <@Shadow404> curse you steam and your sales, theres goes budget 15:11 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Neoteric 15:51 < aestetix> oh wow 15:52 < aestetix> the porn star James Deen just got accused of being a rapist on twitter 15:52 < aestetix> and it has lit up the drama mob --- Log closed Sat Nov 28 16:00:22 2015 --- Log opened Sat Nov 28 16:00:30 2015 16:00 -!- Evilpig [~wilpig@96.80.184.101] has joined #se2600 16:00 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 38 nicks [17 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 21 normal] 16:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Evilpig] by ChanServ 16:00 -!- PigBot [~pigbot@96.80.184.101] has joined #se2600 16:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #se2600 was synced in 13 secs 16:11 <@Shadow404> aestetix: and we should take twitter seriously with all the sensible and intelligent opinons on there? 16:15 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I saw that too. 16:42 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-253-143.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 16:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:20 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 17:37 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 17:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:43 < aestetix> GOD I FUCKING HATE UPSTART 17:44 < _NSAKEY> Are you referring to the init system? 17:44 < aestetix> /etc/init.d/program stop 17:44 < aestetix> /etc/init.d/program stop 17:44 < aestetix> ps aux | grep program 17:44 < aestetix> it's still there wtf 17:44 < aestetix> oh wait, fucking hell 17:45 < _NSAKEY> kill -9 it in the face. 18:02 <@Dagmar> You can't do that with upstart. 18:03 <@Dagmar> Upstart is _state-aware_ 18:03 <@Dagmar> You have to tell upstart to _disable_ the service... _then_ you can shut it down. 18:03 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, it'll generally just start the thing right back up 18:04 < aestetix> well yes 18:04 < aestetix> initctl stop program 18:04 < aestetix> it's just fucking annoying 18:17 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 18:20 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Take solace in the fact that upstart is on its way out, forever. 18:32 < aestetix> why do you say that? 18:32 < aestetix> is ubuntu giving up on it? 18:32 < aestetix> I really don't undetstand the point of systemd/upstart/etc 18:32 < aestetix> init works just fine 18:36 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Yes, Ubuntu is giving up on upstart because Debian went with systemd. 18:36 < _NSAKEY> Personally, I'm rather liking BSD-style init. 19:29 -!- Shadow405 [~shadow404@c-73-184-233-72.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:32 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@c-73-184-233-72.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52 -!- Y_S [~yeracsema@unaffiliated/yeracsemaj] has joined #se2600 20:13 -!- Y_S [~yeracsema@unaffiliated/yeracsemaj] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 20:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 20:36 <@Dagmar> Jesus 20:36 <@Dagmar> _More_ military people following me on G= 21:14 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 21:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 21:24 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 21:29 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 21:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 21:34 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 22:06 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-44-4.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 22:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 22:06 <@Catonic> Yawn 22:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 22:29 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Client Quit] 23:07 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 23:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 23:19 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: zzz] 23:54 -!- Shadow405 is now known as Shadow404 23:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ --- Log closed Sun Nov 29 00:00:52 2015